Beyond The Sprues

Modelling => Completed GBs => Group and Themed Builds => Extended Service Life and/or Back dated GB => : ed s April 02, 2015, 12:00:50 PM

: Shturmovik for the 80's
: ed s April 02, 2015, 12:00:50 PM
Ok. Here goes. This is what I'm starting with. An old KP kit of the IL-10/B-33 kit. Old is right. I think the real A/C was still flying when this kit was made.

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1071_zpslfxvtgyi.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1071_zpslfxvtgyi.jpg.html)

Hope to start cutting plastic tomorrow.

Ed
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: finsrin April 02, 2015, 12:25:09 PM
80's update of IL-10,,,,   Hmmm interesting.
Pondering what I might do and coming up blank - so far.
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: kerick April 02, 2015, 08:09:27 PM
Square off the tail surfaces and wing tips. Add a turbo prop engine with a four or five bladed prop.
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: LemonJello April 02, 2015, 08:16:47 PM
I'm very interested in this one.  Love the ground-attack types and probably need to add a Shturmovik  to the stash at some point to go alongside my Frogfoot, A-10 and Stuka when they all get built. 

Will be following to see what modifications are made.
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: GTX_Admin April 06, 2015, 02:32:08 AM
Hmmm... modernish Shturmovik (maybe with turboprop) over Afghanistan in the '80s isn't so silly/
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: ed s April 07, 2015, 08:19:29 AM
My original plan was a turboprop Schturmovik in 1980's Afghan AF marking. But since you guys have already guessed that, I may have to rethink my idea to something more original.

Ed
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: LemonJello April 07, 2015, 08:39:59 AM
My original plan was a turboprop Schturmovik in 1980's Afghan AF marking. But since you guys have already guessed that, I may have to rethink my idea to something more original.

Ed

I'd still like to see your original idea in plastic, it just sounds so right.
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: kerick April 07, 2015, 09:52:14 PM
My original plan was a turboprop Schturmovik in 1980's Afghan AF marking. But since you guys have already guessed that, I may have to rethink my idea to something more original.

Ed

I'd still like to see your original idea in plastic, it just sounds so right.

I hope you mean just the markings. This needs to be built!
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: ed s April 19, 2015, 09:05:04 AM
Been busy lately, but have had a little time to play. This is the IL-10 with a new turboprop nose in place. The nose is brass tube with a piece of old pen body that fit in it perfectly. Then a smaller piece of tube will fit in that to hold the prop. I have it held in place with some Apoxysculpt. I have a little work to do on the cockpit before putting the fuselage halves together.

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1081_zpsenbmr4vy.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1081_zpsenbmr4vy.jpg.html)

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1085_zpsorbjbms1.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1085_zpsorbjbms1.jpg.html)

Ed
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: kerick April 19, 2015, 11:42:16 PM
Interesting! Looking forward to the rest.
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: GTX_Admin April 20, 2015, 02:25:23 AM
Some inspirational fuel from the real world - real world Chinese turboprop Il-10:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image_zps65e0fcdc.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image_zps9c83d0e7.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image_zpsdb2763dc.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image_zps20ced5a0.jpg)
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: kerick April 20, 2015, 03:54:14 AM
Have you considered changing the shape of the canopy?
That photo and artwork of the Chinese version is tops!
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: ed s April 24, 2015, 11:18:46 AM
Basic assembly is complete. Here are shots of its current status. You can see the new nose, the new exhaust on the right side of the nose and the scratch built cockpit interior. Basically the kit came with a couple so called "seats", so it needed something to fill up the space. Built with some styrene sheet and square rod. I have ejection seats to be installed in the cockpit later. PSR starts tomorrow.

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1086_zpso0sr1s8q.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1086_zpso0sr1s8q.jpg.html)

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1087_zpsbpts2kmv.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1087_zpsbpts2kmv.jpg.html)

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1088_zps57eqykm6.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1088_zps57eqykm6.jpg.html)

Ed
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: Tophe April 24, 2015, 05:40:26 PM
 :-* Very interesting project and very good start, thanks! :-* :-*
(When the final aspect will appear completely, I could try drawing similar P-51 and P-38, will there be a Copyright?) ;)
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: finsrin April 24, 2015, 06:21:27 PM
80's transformation is going well.  Interior treatment enhances "credibility" :)
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: ed s May 14, 2015, 09:16:36 AM
LATEST UPDATE
The basic construction is completed and PSR has been taking a while. I have now sprayed it with a coat of primer (Mr Surfacer 1000). There are some minor imperfections which will get filled and sanded and hope to have paint on it next week. Will be out of town for the weekend, so won't get much done until Monday.

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1090_zpscth4gazh.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1090_zpscth4gazh.jpg.html)

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1091_zpsyj0yoh1x.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1091_zpsyj0yoh1x.jpg.html)

Ed
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: Old Wombat May 14, 2015, 09:40:27 AM
Gawd, it looks like a bleedin' aardvark! :o

;)
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: Tophe May 14, 2015, 12:15:46 PM
Good work, congratulations!
Just a question: in the title, is "the 80's" referring to past 1980s or furure 2080's (or else)? ;)
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: Acree May 14, 2015, 12:43:11 PM
It DOES look like an aardvark, but that's the charm!  I love it and I look forward to seeing more as the build progresses. 

Chuck
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: ed s June 02, 2015, 09:33:10 AM
Still working on this one. Getting some Desert camo on it. Looks like, with the extension, I should get it finished.

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1093_zpsvo9v6v0z.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1093_zpsvo9v6v0z.jpg.html)

Ed
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: LemonJello June 02, 2015, 09:36:54 AM
Good to see this one coming along.  Can't wait to see more.
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: ed s June 09, 2015, 11:47:18 AM
In the early 70's the Soviet Air Staff commissioned a study of airpower in Close Air Support (CAS) and Counter Insurgency (COIN) warfare. One significant finding was the realization that the best aircraft to support friendly forces were not the latest, greatest, fastest jet fighters. But rather what worked best was a slower, more maneuverable, rugged aircraft that could get down low, find small targets, put heavy firepower on the target and survive intense ground fire. The ability to "dogfight" with the latest greatest jet fighters wasn't a major factor. Outside of the Yalu Valley in Korea or in North Vietnam, there weren't significant air to air threats to consider in the CAS/COIN operation. The USAF and Navy had to relearn this in Korea and ended up using Skyraiders, Corsairs, and Mustangs. They promptly forgot this lesson and had to relearn it again in Vietnam where once again the Skyraider was the best aircraft for the mission. The French in Indochina had found the same thing and their most effective aircraft were leftover WWII fighter-bombers and armed training aircraft. Interesting, the Soviet Union virtually invented this type of aircraft during WWII with their IL-2 Schturmovik. And there was a recommendation to bring the Schturmovik back to service. Most of the tooling was still available to begin new production. However, it was decided to update the Schturmovik with a new turboprop engine, new avionics, new cockpit systems, ejection seats and the ability to employ modern sensors and guided weapons. The rear seat gunner was retained, but was turned around to face forward and became a sensor system operator and observer. A number of these new Schturmoviks ended up in Africa and Asia fighting in the numerous  "Small" wars of the 70's and 80's. One of these users was the Afghan Peoples Republic where they were used effectively again the Taliban and Mujaheddin fighters.

The model is the KP 1/72 IL-10 Schturmovik. The nose was redone with brass and steel tubing to make the turboprop. A new canopy found in the spare parts bucket. Modern weapons were added.

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1096_zpszvvoalue.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1096_zpszvvoalue.jpg.html)

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1099_zps9i7qprwx.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1099_zps9i7qprwx.jpg.html)

(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc250/esveum/IMG_1102_zpsitkh6yfl.jpg) (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/esveum/media/IMG_1102_zpsitkh6yfl.jpg.html)

Ed
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: GTX_Admin June 09, 2015, 05:49:16 PM
 :)
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: KiwiZac June 10, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
That is snazzy! Great job! I love the roundels and camo.

I can't believe there was a real turbine Shturmovik. Amazing.
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: Acree June 10, 2015, 02:33:04 PM
Very nice, indeed!
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: deathjester June 17, 2015, 01:05:49 AM
That's awesome!!  Nice work all round :)
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: ysi_maniac September 29, 2015, 03:25:15 PM
I like it!
: Re: Shturmovik for the 80's
: GTX_Admin December 30, 2015, 04:02:18 AM
Something else I just stumbled across that makes this look more realistic:

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/7973f554-f5d5-47e7-a092-d79837f8633f.jpg~original)