Beyond The Sprues

Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Land => : Gingie December 19, 2012, 09:55:55 AM

: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 19, 2012, 09:55:55 AM
This one's from a few years ago - the Jordanian Falcon 2. References were pretty scarce so the Mk 1 eyeball was used to measure the turret. Once it was built, I just could not give it the factory demonstrator overall tan scheme though. The Whatif monkey got on my back and I painted as an in-service Falcon 2 with fictional Brigade / Unit markings.

The final build before painting:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8490/8282856820_254c369552_b.jpg)
 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8208/8282856688_87677ef679_b.jpg)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Litvyak December 19, 2012, 10:45:22 AM
.../wow/. Amazing work!
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Jeffry Fontaine December 19, 2012, 10:47:23 AM
Glad to see this one again!  Was following that with great interest back on what if modelers.  I think the WIP images you had shared there were of just the turret under construction.  Now as I see it again, I can see where a similar concept could have been accomplished using the M60A2 turret with a sensor package replacing the TC cupola.  Hmmmmmmmm...
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 19, 2012, 12:11:07 PM
Cheers!

Jeff, yes, I do still have those photos buried somewhere on a hard drive. The finished ones are on Flickr, I'll throw them up here. If there's any interest I can post the WIP's and maybe explain a bit better how I go from A->B

 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8217/8281799281_04224539c1_b.jpg)
 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8347/8282856352_6cf49c4765_b.jpg)
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: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Logan Hartke December 19, 2012, 12:18:10 PM
Now those are the money shots.  Lovely.  That's still a pretty big turret, isn't it?

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 19, 2012, 12:22:30 PM
here's a pic of the real one:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HUsO4QtsUZc/TsMpw97KgqI/AAAAAAAAWx0/Du6zaDt2IVU/s1600/falcon14zm4.jpg)

(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_rb5izwyNrQ8/TJIubtIpMPI/AAAAAAAAJNM/Bg31JnUyzkw/wieza-falcon.jpg)

: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 19, 2012, 12:27:16 PM
Logan - yes, the turret is big! I think the main savings were in frontal area (narrower), 1 less crew member replaced by an autoloader, and enhanced crew survivability, with the commander / gunner being seated below the hull roof. But I think there's got to be a trade off in situational awareness, and that 4th crewman comes in handy for other vehicle chores. I think Stryker MGS might have the same-ish layout, so it may have been proven effective.
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Frank3k December 19, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
Holy crap! That is one beauty of a tank! Yours looks more real than the real thing... which looks like a model. Please post the WIP!
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Logan Hartke December 19, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
Yeah, the pictures of the real thing are all from flattering angles, I guess.  Your model allows it to be easily shot from above.  When you see it from that angle you remember that there's no such thing as a free lunch.  It's the right tradeoff to make, I think, but it's important to remember that it's still a tradeoff.

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Frank3k December 19, 2012, 01:02:03 PM
It looks like the TC and gunner have close to zero visibility to the rear of the turret. If I were a member of the crew, I'd stick a cheap webcam to the back of the turret...
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Rickshaw December 19, 2012, 08:48:09 PM
I've liked the Falcon ever since I first saw the prototype's pictures.  It is an excellent effort to reduce the turret's size without having the handicaps that an overhead mount produces.   I must say, I like your model.  Its an excellent effort.   Seeing it though, I wonder about the vertical front to the magazine on the sides of the turret.  I'd have thought that was an obvious shot-trap and it would have been better angled?
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Diavel December 19, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
WOW.....
I really like this Ginge, I would also like to see the work in progress pics of it too.Like the others have said your model looks less a lot more real than the actual one does in the pic.
chris
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Doom! December 20, 2012, 05:29:35 AM
That's a seriously good lookin' hunk o' armor!  :)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 20, 2012, 05:48:40 AM
I should mention the 1:1 scale pics are of a later prototype or perhaps even an engineering audit version. The ones I was working off of were slightly different, ie the big bands of 2" bolts running up the autoloader.
: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 20, 2012, 07:16:01 AM
Whaa? RCAF in the Land section? It's OK, this is from 446 Sqn, RCAF Regiment, tasked with provided airfield security and low level AD for Air Expeditionary Wing.

Started life as an Italeri LAV 8x8. Nowadays, I'd simply use the Trumpeter 6x6 AVGP hull (more on that in another post  ;) )

Upper rear hull gets the ends chopped off, middle lower hull gets a segment removed between 1st & 3rd axle. Those sponsons were the tricksies yes they were. Should have bought stock in Tamiya Putty....

 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8340/8282847848_273bd8277a_b.jpg)

And there was much sanding...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8063/8281790923_9545300425_b.jpg)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Gingie December 20, 2012, 07:24:05 AM
Some high capacity external fuel tanks that allow the Bobcat to remain in powered up in overwatch positions for a day between refuelling.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8282848098_2702e2a741_b.jpg)

As this was going to depict a Bobcat on a mission, I slapped on some Add-on Armour. Which instantly rendered useless all the careful sanding I did above. Tried a bit of soldering; a cam net bracket for the side hull and a stowage basket for the turret. The turret is from an oolllllld Verlinden M-113 60mm kit.

 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8357/8281791223_1bdd735f4f_b.jpg)

Some 20mm gatling gun goodness, from an M-163 kit:

 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8214/8282848362_354121efa6_b.jpg)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: ChernayaAkula December 20, 2012, 07:36:13 AM
Wow! Marvellous work!  :) The scratched turret, the paintwork, the camo scheme,.... So much WIN!
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: buzzbomb December 20, 2012, 07:36:44 AM
Whizzo !

that is coming along very nicely.
Highly practical and a good looking build
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Jeffry Fontaine December 20, 2012, 07:37:03 AM
Interesting conversion.  Between the old and even more primitive ESCI/AMT-Ertl LAV and the Italeri LAV kit I have plenty of options for what if things.  Just finished hacking up an Italeri LAV to try and figure out how to turn it into a cargo truck. 
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: buzzbomb December 20, 2012, 07:37:47 AM
Great work and fantastic finish

: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Gingie December 20, 2012, 08:38:31 AM
oh, LAV Cargo....you should make it a 10x10 or a 12x12! Graft a couple LAV hulls together lengthwise!!
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Jeffry Fontaine December 20, 2012, 08:51:22 AM
oh, LAV Cargo....you should make it a 10x10 or a 12x12! Graft a couple LAV hulls together lengthwise!!
 
Will defer that project to Alvis 3.1 since his kung foo is much stronger than my own. :)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Doom! December 20, 2012, 11:59:10 AM
How come when everyone else does something like this it looks so easy?  :-\ ;D   Nice work!
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: finsrin December 20, 2012, 12:45:12 PM
How come when everyone else does something like this it looks so easy?  :-\ ;D   Nice work!

I second Doom.  That makes two of us.
Is looking fine  :)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: apophenia December 20, 2012, 01:19:24 PM
Oooo, I was hopin' you'd show this one  :-*
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Dr. YoKai December 21, 2012, 01:42:13 AM
 Splendid build - I gather this is going into production? What are the curve of little black dinguses along
 either top side of the turret bustle/magazine? They look too small to be smoke candles, and too huge
 to be bolts, surely?
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Diavel December 21, 2012, 03:39:13 AM
 :-* COOOOL
Liking this Gingie, LAV's and big Gatling guns in the same sentence?? looking forward to what you do with this one
Chris 
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Gingie December 21, 2012, 06:39:03 AM
Thanks guys! Doom, the trick to making it look easy is I control the camera angles. Trust me  - there's many a flaw to be found on this one, I just don't advertise them  :)

Fast forward to the completed build. Added the following bits
- scratchbuilt exhaust can more similar to a later Bison than AVGP;
- hull-mounted Aircon unit;
- ranging RADAR from the M-163;
- M-163 sights with a canvas dust cover sculpted from green stuff;
- engine screens cut from the mesh of an old fuel filter;
- a SAM launcher made from parts of a FIST-V army and a Bradley TUA, with 3 x SAM tubes;
- ammo feed chute sculpted from apoxie-sculpt; and
- AoA bolts from a Tichy set

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The SAM launcher is articulated. The launch 'tray' fold between horizontal and vertical, and when horizontal, can elevate/depress. The launch arm is on a poly cap and simply pivots up or down.
 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8498/8281792775_ca117d1817_b.jpg)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 21, 2012, 07:01:49 AM
Dr Yokai - they are indeed Smoke Grenades!
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 21, 2012, 07:08:35 AM
Here's the SBS for the turret and the paint. I'll hit the highlights, but I think the pics are pretty much self-explanatory. Any Q's, fire away!

Turret structure is .040, and laminated using CA glue. The black markered slope is used as a sanding aid
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8075/8291749571_c9c923753b_b.jpg)

The gun is an RB 120mm from a Leopard - its not the same as the Ruag gun on the Falcon, but its pretty close.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8504/8292803560_e262506961_b.jpg)

Turret skinned and sanded smooth
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8498/8292803840_bc6640cab2_b.jpg)[/url]
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 21, 2012, 07:18:51 AM
Dremel tool 'lathe'. A section of sprue gets chucked in the tool and is spun against various files and knvies to shape the wind sensor for the turret. My dremel is a single-speed unit hooked into a sewing machine pedal. This lets me keep the rpm's low enough to avoid melting the plastic.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8501/8291750369_cb6d9d4b63_b.jpg)

This unit housing dual rotating ammo bins. The hatch on the back is where the spent 120mm casing is ejected...would not want to be a grunt and get boinked on the head with one of those!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8496/8291751115_72bb48cc97_b.jpg)

More dremel fun. I could not figure out an easy way to make the curved smoke grenade launchers (SGL) on each side of the turret. So I figured out a hard way. Laminate a few sheets of .040 and cut roughly into a circle. Drill though the middle of that circle and insert a dremel tool bit. Spin against sanding paper to get a more-or-less circle shape.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8218/8291751979_5d7494c87b_b.jpg)

Keeping it in the dremel, shape the bevel on the upper and lower halves to match the angles of the SGL
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8361/8292805594_ef20e8bd70_b.jpg)

Throw away 95% of what I just made and cut two identical segments from the perimeter of the circle. Drill holes for the SGL. Pray that I made them symmetrical. Realize I didn't and vow to never photograph them from an angle where you can tell they don't really line up...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8356/8292805718_17b4cc6fb1_b.jpg)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 21, 2012, 07:27:32 AM
Sight & hatch details...

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8356/8292806616_c3561be581_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8363/8291753459_26fef8f0ed_b.jpg)

Weld beads are made from stretched sprue and liquid cemented in place. Using a soldering iron hooked up to a dimmer switch, I can set the current low enough to heat the tip where it will texture the weld bead only where it is contacted.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8084/8291754625_11f39b15e1_b.jpg)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 21, 2012, 07:30:00 AM
Picture of the turret I was basing mine on:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8223/8291759523_9bbb7e2522_b.jpg)

3-tone cam scheme I wanted to try. Nowadays, Jordan uses a funky digital scheme. Google Jordanian Challenger and you'll see what I mean.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8353/8291758709_97582573e8_b.jpg)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 21, 2012, 07:41:29 AM
Painting process

1. Basecoat in main colour
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8073/8291756817_c0f4c44ca2_b.jpg)

2. Spray on secondary camouflage colour; do not worry about overspray
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8494/8292810654_b0d26c6883_b.jpg)

3. Spray on third colour, again, just get it down roughly where it needs to be
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8071/8291757757_28f35c1532_b.jpg)

4. Using a highly thinned, and therefore easy to spray in a tight pattern, touch-up all overspray of 2nd and 3rd colour. Then mix up the second colour and touch up the edges of the 3rd colour boundary.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8214/8291758355_eca7f551de_b.jpg)

5. Mix up a watery dark brown mix and a 3 watered-down lighter mixes of the camouflage colours and spray in streaks and squiggles
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8222/8291760251_4b2a844c19_b.jpg)

6. Mix up your pure base colours and thin to a water consistency, and re-spray, toning down the effect in step 5
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8494/8292815000_51592db88a_b.jpg)

7. using various pastels, add dust streaks and paint chips, etc. I find this effect is getting played out now, and am looking for a new way of finishing that is less about showing how many weathering techniques can be displayed, and more about showing a realistic looking vehicle.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8224/8291763943_f8400f44f7_b.jpg)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 21, 2012, 07:45:14 AM
Also, a word on photos. There's some amazing work here that is let down by their photos. I'm using a 13 year old Nikon 995, a cheap tripod, a sheet of graduated paper, and some $10 desk lamps. The Nikon 990-995 series of twisting body camera's is fantastic for still life photos...best of all, they can be had all over ebay for around $150 or so.
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Jeffry Fontaine December 21, 2012, 08:04:14 AM
That yellow plastic card stock that you are using.  Is that something that is available commercially? 

I used to see a lot of that as envelope stiffeners for satellite imagery a long time ago and quite some distance from where I am now.  :)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Jeffry Fontaine December 21, 2012, 08:09:35 AM
Wicked!  Certainly looks menacing.
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 21, 2012, 10:26:17 AM
Jeff, the yellow sheets are .040 Styrene, around 4" x 8", and came to me by way of a RCAF Intelligence MWO....
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Doom! December 21, 2012, 10:55:01 AM
Thank you for sharing your in progress shots, I really enjoy seeing how others tackle thier builds. I really need more time to play!
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Jeffry Fontaine December 21, 2012, 11:24:23 AM
Jeff, the yellow sheets are .040 Styrene, around 4" x 8", and came to me by way of a RCAF Intelligence MWO....

:)

I still have a Xerox paper box full of that card stock but all of mine was white at the time shipped back from my last assignment in Germany with the 497th RTG USAFE in a little town on the river between Wiesbaden and Mainz.  I discovered the yellow stuff during a visit to the NPIC in Washington D.C.  It was piled up and collecting dust just like the white card stock that I took home with me. 
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: apophenia December 21, 2012, 01:29:30 PM
Yep. And I love that Apoxie-Sculpt feed chute  :)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Gingie December 22, 2012, 03:40:23 AM
cheers guys!

Here's the Bobcat in a factory fresh scheme. Much dirt and dust to follow.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8071/8282849940_28461b266f_b.jpg)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: taiidantomcat December 25, 2012, 12:29:17 AM
This model is the reason I bought your book  :D Great to have you here  :)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Gingie December 25, 2012, 01:16:54 AM
All mucked up!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8342/8281793187_0db800ba3f_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8363/8282850316_156bf353c1_b.jpg)

Missiles in the transport position

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8281793511_6740c43a9d_b.jpg)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: arkon December 25, 2012, 01:42:18 AM
book? what book? i must have one!!!!!
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Claymore December 25, 2012, 01:50:08 AM
Amazing work and done by Mk 1 eyeball you say... very impressive.  Superb pain job too.  Very well done.  :)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Claymore December 25, 2012, 01:55:33 AM
Awesome!  As an RAF Regt man myself and an ex-Air Defender (Rapier SAM), I am tickled that an RCAF entry has muscled into the LAND section.  Great model and superb finish.  Well done indeed.  :)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Gingie December 25, 2012, 03:01:43 AM
Claymore - thanks for the kinds words! I was ex-Air Defence too; primarily ADATS, but was also in a Javelin S-15 regt for a while.

In Canada, many of the positions used to create 4th Air Defence Regt, (an Army unit) were taken from the RCAF, as the Regt's primary role was defence of the RCAF Airfields in Germany.

In the years following the creation of 4 AD Regt, not only had Canada pulled out of Germany, but as I've mentioned before, the Army no longer maintains any GBAD systems. I'm not even sure who provides airfield security (probably Military Police, but then that's hardly the same thing). So this got me wondering, what if the RCAF ever remembers that it gave up 250 position to the Army for a function it no longer gets, and decides it wants them back to create a RCAF Regt (or Sqn).
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: kitnut617 December 25, 2012, 03:35:04 AM
gingie, I've got a technical question:  where would the ammo barrel go ?

also, could a system be set up where a lot of ammo could be carried in a towed unit ?

I really like your work though, looks very eye pleasing.   :)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Gingie December 25, 2012, 05:35:11 AM
Inside the hull there's lots of room for Ammo, the same or greater than the ammo storage inside the M-163 Vulcan. Probably enough room for 3 missile re-loads too. The only crew are the driver and the 2 in the turret, so pretty much everything behind the basket is available for stowage.

It's not uncommon for AD vehicles to be supported by a trailer for ammo, such as 40mm Duster, or even a separate vehicle. A separate dedicated support vehicle also provided for crew rotation, as AD vehicles are often functioning 24/7, crew relief becomes a tactical planning consideration. The separate vehicle could be as big as a 10 ton HLWV, as it would be able to carry ammo & crew in the A-echelon.
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Diavel December 25, 2012, 06:10:40 AM
This really is a cracking build Gingie, the nearest thing I have to this is the LAV-25 air defense system, the one I built is the Jadar resin kit, and I think they have stopped making it, but after looking at this, anything with a turret is fair game  >:D. I also did a Sheridan with a Gatling gun and Stingers,as well as a Leopard 2 with the same sort of set up up. Looks like I will have to acquire some more guns now.
cheers
Chris.   
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Claymore December 25, 2012, 06:22:38 AM
Gingie,

I remember visiting the RCAF base at Badeb-Baden, Germany many years ago (1991) and being shown round the ADATS & 30mm Oerlikon unit there.  Happy days...
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: Jeffry Fontaine December 25, 2012, 10:49:43 AM
All mucked up!

It would certainly look right at home over at the Yakima Firing Center in the spring or fall. 
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: taiidantomcat December 26, 2012, 05:06:26 AM
book? what book? i must have one!!!!!


http://www.amazon.com/Modelling-Challenger-MBT-variants-Osprey/dp/1841769274/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356469560&sr=8-1&keywords=modeling+challenger+tank (http://www.amazon.com/Modelling-Challenger-MBT-variants-Osprey/dp/1841769274/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356469560&sr=8-1&keywords=modeling+challenger+tank)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Jeffry Fontaine December 26, 2012, 05:12:43 AM
Modesty, thy name is Graeme :)
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: Gingie December 26, 2012, 05:20:00 AM
LOL, I'm far more handsome than I am modest. I was surprised Osprey let me put a whatif in the book.
: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 26, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8350/8151292616_e16942a622_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8200/8151267815_0c046e31a3_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8070/8151268015_031c80ec11_b.jpg)

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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8151293468_21958c951c_b.jpg)

A Canadian version of this real-life prototype:

(http://2011.uploaded.fresh.co.il/2011/01/01/11852977.jpg)

Still not sure if I will add something like CRV-7 or Hellfire for the 'ground defence' role.
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Jeffry Fontaine December 26, 2012, 09:31:52 AM
With all of the recent developments for precision guided 70mm FFAR it would make perfect sense to allocate one of the launcher positions for a container of these weapons. 
: Re: Cougar SAM
: apophenia December 26, 2012, 10:24:49 AM
Looking good! Adding on the CRV-7PG sounds like a good idea.
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: raafif December 26, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
I was surprised Osprey let me put a whatif in the book.

just goes to show that "what-if" is gaining ground  ---  even Missing Lynx doesn't deride the Paper-Panzers & What-ifs like used to happen.

The Falcon is more credible than many Paper-Panzers too, like my Abrams-AGS, it has undergone much more development than anything from WW2 & may just actually see service one day.
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: philp January 01, 2013, 08:59:48 AM
Very cool build.
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: philp January 01, 2013, 09:20:33 AM
Very nice build.
: Re: Cougar SAM
: GTX_Admin January 08, 2013, 11:52:44 AM
Wow
: Re: Jordanian Falcon 2
: GTX_Admin January 08, 2013, 11:53:56 AM
Lost for words... :)
: Re: RCAF Bobcat Air Defence Vehicle
: GTX_Admin January 08, 2013, 11:56:11 AM
This is one of my all time favourite builds. :)
: Gingie's Build Thread - Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Gingie February 03, 2013, 12:29:36 AM
Quick and dirty kit bash of Trumpeter's LAV-25 and AVGP Grizzly.

From the top, it look like a regular Grizzly...

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8233/8438645088_03dddf4408_b.jpg)

But due to Canada dropping the Amphibious capability requirement, the space allocated for the marine drive unit was replaced with a driven axle. Wheelbase remains the same, but it goes from a 6x6 to an 8x8.
 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8498/8437560355_b299544be1_b.jpg)

Which was well suited for its new role as a C3 105mm Gun Tractor in Canada's Reserve Field Artillery Regiments.
 (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8378/8437560485_30c49f0a63_b.jpg)
: Gingie's Build Thread - Grizzly Air Defence
: Gingie February 03, 2013, 12:39:01 AM
What to do with the left overs of a LAV-AD upper hull and Grizzly lower hull? It's a no-brainer!

Grizzly AD gun/missile system; the very-short range air defence (VSHORAD) fire team partner to the short range air defence (SHORAD) Cougar AD elsewhere in this forum.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8050/8438646150_556c11a3dd_b.jpg)

Add the ramp from an M-113 (mostly because I pooched the kit's rear hull plate!). The ramp fits with some minor surgery.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8473/8437561323_94b80acb9e_b.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8054/8437561389_ee2215b021_b.jpg)

Don't mind the gap as the turret halves are not glued yet
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8080/8437561443_53f30db592_b.jpg)

: Re: Grizzly Air Defence
: Jeffry Fontaine February 03, 2013, 01:43:35 AM
Some very nice kit bashing you got going there Graeme. 
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Jeffry Fontaine February 03, 2013, 01:46:45 AM
Very nice combination of ordnance and it makes perfect sense to have an armoured prime mover for you towed piece.  I suspect the basic load carried might be a bit tight with all of the crew carried inside.  But that is what the supply trains and ammunition platoon are for, eh?
: Re: Grizzly Air Defence
: kerick February 03, 2013, 01:47:23 AM
I like that LAV-AD turret. Lots of possibilities there!
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: kerick February 03, 2013, 01:50:32 AM
Drop the turret to make a lot more room inside and replace it with a remote control gun system from the Stryker. Just my $0.02 worth.
: Re: Grizzly Air Defence
: GTX_Admin February 03, 2013, 03:00:57 AM
Damn nice!!!  1/35 I presume?
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: GTX_Admin February 03, 2013, 03:03:55 AM
Interesting.  Could throw a few off with that.
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Gingie February 03, 2013, 05:42:25 AM
For a while during the SFOR mission, we actually used the Grizzly 6x6 as the prime mover for the LG-1 105mm:

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u162/ldshleopardcrew/ISD00-3087-04a.jpg)
: Re: Grizzly Air Defence
: Gingie February 03, 2013, 05:44:32 AM
Cheers, yep 1/35. The best part is these Trumpeter kits don't break the bank. The LAV-AD was $20 at the LHS and the AVGP was just over $20 from a Canadian mail order shop.
: Re: Grizzly Air Defence
: Brian da Basher February 03, 2013, 05:55:36 AM
Wow that looks very serious!

Excellent work!

Brian da Basher
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Brian da Basher February 03, 2013, 05:56:56 AM
It sure looks every bit the business!

Brian da Basher
: Re: Grizzly Air Defence
: Diavel February 03, 2013, 07:40:56 AM
I really do wish there was more of this sort of stuff available in 1/72nd scale, the builds you are doing are very inspirational.
Chris
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: arkon February 03, 2013, 08:28:54 AM
looks great!
 could you post a pic of the underside? i am interested in how the suspenion is set up.
: Re: Grizzly Air Defence
: arkon February 03, 2013, 08:30:44 AM
great lookin machine.
 im working on something simular but all scrathbuilt except the gun n missle box.
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Gingie February 03, 2013, 11:25:02 AM
The suspension is as per the LAV-25 kit, with the rear shortened to match the AVGP upper hull. IIRC, its about 15mm or so that had to come off the back to make the longer bottom line up with the shorter top.
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: arkon February 03, 2013, 12:23:30 PM
ok, but i do not know what that looks like, hence the request for the pictures. thx
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Gingie February 03, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
Ah, OK. in the meantime, check out this page:

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10061712z/70/1 (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10061712z/70/1)

If you scroll along the images at the top of the page, you will get to the instruction sheet. It shows all the suspension components in the order they would get attached. Might be easier than looking at the whole bottom with all the parts already in place.

: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: arkon February 04, 2013, 04:37:53 AM
cool! thanks!
: Re: Grizzly Air Defence
: apophenia February 04, 2013, 07:53:30 AM
Very nice start Graeme! I always liked that AVGP/LAV-AD combo idea  ;)

Folks should also check out the other whifs in-progress now popping up on the Modern Canadian Vehicles discussion forum ...

Jason Bobrowich' Super Cougar (AVGP with 90mm gun in the Alvis turret) (http://www.network54.com/Forum/169232/thread/1358555679/Super+Cougar)

Graeme Davidson's  AVGP/LAV-25 gun tractor hybrid (http://www.network54.com/Forum/169232/thread/1359822554/AVGP+Expanded+Mobility+Whatif)

Bertie Baumgartner's Centauro-turreted LAV III (http://www.network54.com/Forum/169232/thread/1359672309/MGS+What+if-)
 

***
1. I fixed your links so they go to "view thread" instead of the first comment which gives the viewer a much better opportunity to take it all in with one mouse click. 

2. It is Graeme Davidson = Gingie that is building that AVGP/LAV-25 Gun Tractor that you credited to Jason Bobrowich.  Simple mistake and when you are not familiar with the member name/real name it just complicates things.  Graeme posted the same images here on our own forum at this link:  Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2619.0)
: Gingie's Build Thread - AVGP Weasel whatif
: Gingie February 18, 2013, 08:50:12 AM
My interpretation of a whatif of a whatif...the Weasel is the sensor equipped version of JP Morgan's own whatif Mowag 4x4 recce car. I've shamelessly plagiarized his concept and added a slightly different turret and a mast, which will some day sport a Fennek sensor suite:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8235/8484304886_1d20fb7dfe_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8247/8484304958_df95fceebe_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8376/8483211967_3fb3175042_b.jpg)
: Gingie's Build Thread - what if 762mm teaser
: Gingie February 18, 2013, 08:55:57 AM
Nope, not 7.62mm, 762mm! 25 pounder is shown for scale only.

Mike Belcher, the gentleman that he is, put his talents to the lathe and turned me an Honest John rocket body in 35th.  :D

Now, I'll do the RCA SSM Bty truck mounted one for real, but what to do with the spare? Maybe a Centurion tracked launcher, similar to the ISU scud launcher?

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8506/8484305142_360653ae35_b.jpg)

(http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets_1/Diverse/Scud/Scud-A_5.jpg)
: Gingie's Build Thread - Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie February 18, 2013, 09:09:23 AM
A LAV that can keep up with the Leopard fleet, the "Wapiti" (we're running out of mammal names for our AFV's!) takes a LAV-III (or in this case a Stryker) and mates it to a tracked hull.

This should have been a simple kit bash, but since the Bradley was already glued together, it took a bit of persuasion to join up with the Stryker. The conversion thus far has really been 2 steps forward, one step back, but I think the worst is over.

I might swap the track and sprocket for Diehl - doing so would save me from having to make fenders (the tracks as pictured stick out past the LAV hull), and the real tracked Stryker does use a narrow track. I'll mull that over. I will be added extra armour and possible sand skirts like the Cr 2 MBT, so not much of the running gear and track will be visible anyways. Weapons will probably be RWS with TACP mods. Or maybe a 1m turret.

If I do this again, I'll use a LAV-III upper hull.

Now, I've got this great 8x8 Stryker lower hull that is crying out for a 105mm-or-something upper hull.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8386/8484305196_7b63239992_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8241/8484304690_efa31d6e41_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8516/8483211989_e423294c10_b.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8240/8483212377_8927378c5c_b.jpg)
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: GTX_Admin February 18, 2013, 09:42:55 AM
 :)
: Re: what if 762mm teaser
: GTX_Admin February 18, 2013, 09:48:22 AM
Wow!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: GTX_Admin February 18, 2013, 09:59:32 AM
Oh yeah!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Jeffry Fontaine February 18, 2013, 10:29:14 AM
Perfect for arctic/winter warfare :) 
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Jeffry Fontaine February 18, 2013, 10:35:12 AM
Graeme, you are on a roll with all of these armor models you are building.  This one is looking very purposeful.  Instead of waiting for the Fennek sensor why not consider one of the FLIR balls from a 35th scale helicopter or 32nd scale aircraft? 
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: kerick February 18, 2013, 11:28:15 AM
Don't forget some lockout switches to keep from bashing the mast with the gun barrel! (huge CLANG!!)
Looks really cool.
How did you turn the stack of styrene for the turret?
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: kerick February 18, 2013, 11:32:14 AM
Looks boss with the wide track tracks!
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: elmayerle February 18, 2013, 12:37:21 PM
Graeme, you are on a roll with all of these armor models you are building.  This one is looking very purposeful.  Instead of waiting for the Fennek sensor why not consider one of the FLIR balls from a 35th scale helicopter or 32nd scale aircraft?
Or perhaps use a ping-pong ball as the start for a "borrowed" MMS from an OH-58D?
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: father ennis February 18, 2013, 01:21:32 PM
Very interesting build !!!  I can't wait to see more ...
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: father ennis February 18, 2013, 01:42:20 PM
That is really looking great !!!  I think you should add some narrow fenders each side. These will make a good attachment point for sand shields and be simple quick and easy.  I can't wait to see how this works out ... !!!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: philp February 18, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Like it.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Claymore February 18, 2013, 04:33:50 PM
That is looking really great!
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Gingie February 19, 2013, 12:41:23 AM
I might do the sensor array from a Coyote - I just found the operator manual for in the book stash, and its chock full of line drawings of all the fiddly bits. The reason I was going with a Fennek mast set was that I wanted whatever object that sat on top of the mast, could be retracted into the hull. The limiting factor is the size of the hatch opening you can see where the base of the tube is. A Coyote sensor would have to be added manually by the crew. I may just scratch a Fennek-ish module. Its a box with an arm and a couple lenses. More or less.

For sure when the mast is raised there would be an electronic lock-out to elevate the gun barrel and clear the mast. The logic being if the recce crew finds themselves having to fire the gun when the mast is up, something has gone drastically wrong!

I'm also going to add some stabilizer legs where the marine drive would normally go. Something like what you would find on a back-hoe, or maybe like the Husky ARV. When the wheels are on, the vehicle looks like it would be a tail-sitter, but the fact is there is a lot of engine mass over the front axle that I think would make this a nicely balanced 4x4.

The stack of discs wasn't turned. Just CA'd together and shaped with a metal file & Mk 1 eyeball.


: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie February 19, 2013, 12:46:37 AM
I'm thinking a winter scheme would fit this too, green and white bands maybe.

Yes - there will be fenders at least wide enough to cover the tracks, or, I will use narrower Diehl M-113 tracks. Thing that gets me is the lower Bradley hull had fenders the exact right size (go figure) and I chopped them off. Totally unecessary, and if I had put more than 10 minutes of thought into it before wielding the razor saw, I could have saved hours of work.

: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: deathjester February 19, 2013, 12:52:54 AM
You know, if you leave it just how it is, then it looks a lot like the SHADO Mobiles from the Gerry Anderson show UFO - ask Diavel to explain if you are uncertain what these look like...
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Doom! February 19, 2013, 12:55:20 AM
This looks great!  :)  I like the added structural support in the front hatch  ;D . Sorry about the fenders...sounds like we work in the same manner. DOH!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: tanktastic43 February 19, 2013, 07:44:35 AM
Looking good so far.

tt43.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Jeffry Fontaine February 19, 2013, 08:13:27 AM
I am actually quite surprised that the Stryker body is almost wide enough to fit without modification on the Bradley hull.  Seems it would be an easy match up with an M113 hull too.  Certainly will look good with a bunch snow skis and snow shoes on top in winter camouflage   :)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie February 19, 2013, 08:48:25 AM
The nose is a perfect match for width - realizing that coincidence was the spark that ignited this combo. I mixed and match various uppers & lowers; 113's, AVGP, Boxer, LAV II, LAV III, to Leopard 1 & 2, Warrior, PzH2000, Bradley & MLRS.

However easy it was to line up the front...the back was, well, there's a reason there's no photos of the ass end!  :D
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: father ennis February 19, 2013, 11:44:04 AM
I have to say that I'm quite fond of the way it looks as it is now. I'm not sure that you really need fenders.
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: father ennis February 19, 2013, 12:04:37 PM
The Germans used masts like that for their main communications vehicles. They were much thinner than yours and raised by a hand crank. The mast had to be stablized with "guy" wires staked to the ground. It took a bit to raise and to lower as well. How have you compsinated for this ?  I can see a modern vehicle using hydroligests to raise and lower the mast but not keep it from swaying in a strong wind. I'm thinking about an upside-down pendulum effect. Could be a problem.
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Gingie February 19, 2013, 09:10:27 PM
It's a problem in the 1:1 scale coyote too!

The vehicle suspension will have a lockout mode and there will be stabilizing jacks at the rear. Plus the tube at the base scales out to around a foot diameter...pretty robust.
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: buzzbomb February 21, 2013, 11:14:10 AM
coming along nicely.

this sort of idea is getting around a bit, Russian, Germans, Czechs even the Indians have extendable sensor arrays

: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: buzzbomb February 21, 2013, 11:17:27 AM
That just works.

Great job with the disparit upper/lower hull match ups.

You blokes are getting me the urge.. got a couple of project on the "must do' (for local shows and Wonderfest) but after that reckon I need to get a bit of Whiffer AFV stuff happening.

Nice work.
: Re: what if 762mm teaser
: buzzbomb February 21, 2013, 11:19:37 AM
Size does matter you know 8)

looking forward to seeing how this goes together, maybe get a cheapo Trumpy MLRS as a basis.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: kerick February 21, 2013, 12:38:09 PM
Looks like a good place to put an M113 back door. Keep plug'n.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Old Wombat February 21, 2013, 09:26:01 PM
Personally, I like it!

As for the "over-width" tracks; to me they look right.

You might want to try adding "attachment points" for the fenders & their support braces if you don't want to go so far as to actually build them.

For the rear end; I'd use what you've got. Presumably you have the Bradley hatch, that & a little scratch building work & you're cooking with gas, my friend!

Cheers!

Guy
: Re: what if 762mm teaser
: Old Wombat February 21, 2013, 09:36:22 PM
What about going totally off-beam & slapping it on top of the spare Stryker base? ;D

Cheers!

Guy
: Re: what if 762mm teaser
: Gingie February 22, 2013, 12:11:26 AM
I'd like to keep the timeframe of the Rocket and the TEL similar (c1968), so it would be Centurion, or possibly M4A3E8, maybe M668 (as per Lance launcher, but with HJ rocket?)

The stryker base I am thinking instead of a turreted tank wannabe, maybe something like a HIMARS?
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie February 22, 2013, 01:00:01 AM
Cheers guys - as for the rear, I was able to fit the Stryker bits, albeit with about 8 x .040 shims, gobs of CA, putty, and much sanding to adapt the narrower LAV hull to the much wider Bradley. Under a layer of primer, paint, and mud, it should look natural  ;)

I tend to agree that it looks OK without the fenders. Kinda gives it an ostketten look. However, I need the fenders if only to serve as an attachment point for add on armour (think Challenger 2).
: Re: what if 762mm teaser
: GTX_Admin February 22, 2013, 02:30:45 AM
I'd love it if you made some resin castings based on the original rocket...hint, hint!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Frank3k February 22, 2013, 02:54:51 AM
This looks so natural. Are the tracks vinyl? They look great.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie February 22, 2013, 10:06:12 AM
Yep, just the kit tracks. I was thinking about swapping them for skybow or possibly M-113 Diehl tracks.
: Re: what if 762mm teaser
: Jeffry Fontaine February 22, 2013, 01:38:06 PM
I'd love it if you made some resin castings based on the original rocket...hint, hint!
Yes, indeed!  Sign me up for a couple of copies too.  That would be nice to see paired up on the back of an MLRS inside the armored box and some small control fins added to the warhead section to suggest an improved and guided Honest John.  :) 
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: father ennis February 22, 2013, 01:40:53 PM
I would suggest you simply pin the tracks thru the hull side,unless the upper hull is already attached. This offers you a bit of both as with a small armor panel you can see them and add protection,too. Send me a PM and I'll tell you how if you need it,same for anybody else who would like to know.  I must say,I'm really liking what you got going here and can't wait to see what will be next.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: taiidantomcat February 25, 2013, 02:51:18 AM
Can't believe how seemless you have made this little bash. I too have had "razor saw regret" but its rare and easily cured  :)
: Re: what if 762mm teaser
: taiidantomcat February 25, 2013, 02:52:54 AM
That rocket is stellar  :) excellent craftsmanship!

Curious to see what you post next
: Re: what if 762mm teaser
: Gingie February 28, 2013, 04:53:20 AM
All credit to Mike B for the rocket..all I did was take the photo 8)

Thinking about a M8 Cargo tractor. Maybe take the upper hull of that, or even just the forward half of the upper hull, and mate that to a Centurion lower hull, mounted rearwards (ie so the engine's at the front) , and then built the Honest John launch rail etc on the rear deck?

I see a few M8's on ebay. I actually had the bluetank kit (nasty) and sold it off. Anyone got one they'd like to trade?
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: ysi_maniac March 04, 2013, 07:30:58 AM
Agreed!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Panzerroland March 06, 2013, 09:39:36 PM
I like it!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: apophenia March 07, 2013, 11:55:29 AM
Nice to see that the HIAV concept lives on  :)

.. If I do this again, I'll use a LAV-III upper hull...

Maybe the LAV III-derived Wapiti could be fire-support for its Stryker-based kin?
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: apophenia March 07, 2013, 12:03:26 PM
That is a seriously cool looking vehicle! After your HIAV, though, it's hard not to imagine it sitting on MTVL tracks  ;)
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Gingie March 07, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
Hmm, that's an interesting idea. Kind of like the German tracked recce vehicle...which I think is named Wiesel too! Ha! never noticed that! Seriously, I just went to Wiki's list of Canadian mammals and noticed that Weasel wasn't taken. Never even dawned on me that the Germans named their small tracked recce vehicle the same thing.

Got me thinking though. Maybe extra wide soucy tracks for going over snow. And they would provide the stability so I could get rid of the stabilization jacks.


: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: apophenia March 08, 2013, 07:41:52 AM
I like the Soucy snow tracks idea! I did a retouch of an AVGP on MTVL tracks (which are about the right length). I thought I'd mounted it but now can't find it  :P

I know what you mean about Canadian vehicle names. Playing about with AVGP variations, I'd called mine Ferret and Bobcat ... not very original  :-[
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg8125#msg8125 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg8125#msg8125)
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Gingie March 08, 2013, 08:28:40 AM
ooohh... I like that idea a lot better. Retain the 6x6 and delete that trapezoidal sponson dealie...yes, very cool! Are those concepts photoshop mash-ups, or is there artwork involved? I really like that concept a lot!

Incidentally, the upper hull of a Trumpeter AVGP is *exactly* the same width as the Academy M-113 hull....and, the angle of the rear hull plate of both appears to be a perfect match too...and, the width of the M-113 ramp 'hump' fits exacty under the AVGP rear roof width.
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: apophenia March 11, 2013, 10:19:09 AM
... Are those concepts photoshop mash-ups, or is there artwork involved? ...

Mostly mash-up. IIRC, those images started with a photo from surplus disposal contractor, Smith Consulting Group. The turretless Cougar was chopped down for two different wheelbases, new roof areas painted in, turrets knocked together, greeblies added, etc.

Trumpeter AVGP upper/ Academy M-113 lower sound likes a made match  :D
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: kerick March 25, 2013, 01:48:41 AM
How about the Stryker MGS 105mm turret?
(http://www.military-today.com/artillery/stryker_mgs.jpg) (http://www.military-today.com/artillery/stryker_mgs.htm)
(Click image to visit page on the Stryker MGS at military-today.com (http://www.military-today.com/))






***I fixed your link to go to the page on the Stryker MGS at Military-Today.com instead of the google link to that page which makes it less complicated :) jjf
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Old Wombat March 25, 2013, 07:57:01 PM
I tend to agree that it looks OK without the fenders. Kinda gives it an ostketten look. However, I need the fenders if only to serve as an attachment point for add on armour (think Challenger 2).

That's fair enough. So, just make the support braces strong enough to attach the side armour to. (PS: Don't forget the bracing struts between the return rollers & the road wheels!)

Cheers!

Guy :icon_beer:
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie March 26, 2013, 05:34:33 AM
Don't forget the bracing struts between the return rollers & the road wheels!)

Cheers!

Guy :icon_beer:

hmm, you mean like those thingies on  a Centurion hull that the sideskirts are attached too? That's a great idea!!! It will take some care to get them all cut the exact length, but yeah, that's going to really secure the side plates on there. Totally hidden from view too, so I'll use some large diameter tube.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: father ennis March 29, 2013, 12:46:40 PM
Why waste perfectaly good tube ?  Use some thick sprue instead. Plus zero cost ,too !!!  Just remember ,"somebody" got to open it up to work on the travel and suspension,so how does it open ?  I'm not sayin' you should or even want to,but it's a consideration. It will be of note when you design it. 
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Old Wombat April 01, 2013, 06:30:24 PM
Don't forget the bracing struts between the return rollers & the road wheels!)

Cheers!

Guy :icon_beer:

hmm, you mean like those thingies on  a Centurion hull that the sideskirts are attached too? That's a great idea!!! It will take some care to get them all cut the exact length, but yeah, that's going to really secure the side plates on there. Totally hidden from view too, so I'll use some large diameter tube.

Also the Chieftain, Challenger (1 & 2), Abrams, Warrior, Bradley & anything else with armoured side-skirts - they stop the skirts swinging as the vehicle moves, thereby stopping them interfering with the running gear & causing excessively rapid metal fatigue on the upper attachment points. They, also, add a little extra support for carrying the weight (especially if angled slightly upwards from the hull).

Cheers!

Guy ;)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie April 24, 2013, 06:02:53 AM
A little bit of progress. Man, these AFV Strykers are fiddly. Fit is good, but the parts are small, and many.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8676704330_6b5761de42_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8261/8676704564_0a87e42e70_c.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8126/8676704558_bc80445039_c.jpg)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: father ennis April 24, 2013, 06:59:38 AM
Looking great !!!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: ChernayaAkula April 24, 2013, 07:45:23 AM
Your Tracked Stryker looks SOOOOOOOO much better than GD's own Tracked Stryker!  ;D
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: GTX_Admin April 25, 2013, 02:36:47 AM
Loving where this is going.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Claymore April 25, 2013, 07:26:42 AM
Looking good... very, very good!  :)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Brian da Basher April 26, 2013, 07:00:49 AM
Loving where this is going.

I couldn't agree more. The details really look sharp!

Brian da Basher
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: buzzbomb April 26, 2013, 08:35:30 AM
Yep.. that is da biz.

Looking really, really good.
Under paint.. who would know this is not the real deal
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: kerick April 26, 2013, 08:59:45 AM
This really looks great! At first I wasn't in favor of the fenders but this version is awesome.
So what about the backside of this project? You have to show it sooner or later.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Frank3k April 26, 2013, 11:24:27 AM
This looks beautiful, and a very logical design.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: apophenia April 28, 2013, 10:12:13 AM
Those track covers came out really well  :)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie April 28, 2013, 11:43:05 PM
Thanks! I got a bit of luck with the track covers. First, I had 2 complete sets of Cr 2 side armour in the spares bin. Second, by cutting the rear block section off each side, and splicing the front section from the other two sets (look at the blocks 2 'rectangles' in, you'll see the vertical seam is missing), the side armour came within .080" for length. It was simply a matter of scabbing on some .040 strip at each end to make it look flush. Sometimes we get lucky!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: ysi_maniac April 29, 2013, 01:06:30 AM
Awesome! Top notch! :) :-*
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Jeffry Fontaine June 19, 2013, 01:40:01 AM
With all of the recent developments for precision guided 70mm FFAR it would make perfect sense to allocate one of the launcher positions for a container of these weapons.


Found this YouTube video on the BAE APKW that would be an ideal accessory for your Cougar:

http://youtu.be/Hpm7_INvUHM (http://youtu.be/Hpm7_INvUHM)
: Re: Cougar SAM
: GTX_Admin June 19, 2013, 02:30:01 AM
The Lockheed Martin Direct Attack Guided Rocket (DAGR) would also work...especially if one were to fit the setup shown below with 4 DAGRs (Grey in centre) + Hellfire

(http://aviationintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DAGR-Missile-2.jpg)
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Gingie June 19, 2013, 04:56:53 AM
actually, I found my Hellfire's from a 35th Cobra! They were in the M-548 box (along with a set of PE, woot!) that I had forgotten about.

: Re: Cougar SAM
: apophenia June 24, 2013, 11:18:47 AM
Are you still considering CRV-7s along with the Hellfires?
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Gingie June 24, 2013, 11:09:13 PM
maybe - if I do it up like MMEV. If not CRV-7 specifically, then some kind of ballistic self-defence weapon. Maybe a .50 cal co-ax.
: Re: Cougar SAM
: apophenia June 25, 2013, 08:37:57 AM
Yup, coax makes good sense.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Antonio Sobral June 26, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
Looking fantastic, that HIAV!

: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Old Wombat June 26, 2013, 05:14:54 PM
Speaking of "fantastic", how's this build going, Gingie? ???

I ask merely because I want to see this great AFV finished! ;)

:)

Guy
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie June 26, 2013, 10:12:14 PM
Guy, its been shelved for a bit while I try to build a cross between a 6x6 Cougar AVGP and XM-800W.

Also, I want to add a dozer blade from the Academy M-60 to the HIAV. Once that is done, there's maybe 5 more hours of building and I can start painting. Too many hobbies,a nd the weather is too nice right now for modelling :-)
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Gingie August 05, 2013, 11:22:35 AM
Well I finally got some model time in and have started finishing up some of my shelf queens. Here's the Weasel build complete. Quite a variety of donor kits, mostly all from the spare parts bin.
Trumpeter- AVGP base kit
Maple Leaf Models - Wheels
Gun turret - Tamiya Marder
MMW Radar - Tamiya M-60 Searchlight
Sensor Unit - Real Models LRAS3
Front stowage & Jerrycans - AFV Club Centurion
Antennas and hatches - AFV Club Stryker
Small boxes and vents - Tamiya Cr 2
Upper hull boxes - Tamiya Flak 20 (I think)
20mm Gun - AFV Club YPR-765


(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5324/9441708156_d99e541ff2_o.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5342/9438925835_3ca19ae9a2_o.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7302/9441708440_28fe86b550_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3674/9438925513_80c3bd5343_o.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/9438925757_6473e0ce10_o.jpg)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie August 05, 2013, 11:53:24 AM
I think the build is done on this. I messed around with a dozer blade, but in the end decided that a C2 or TACP variant of the HIAV would not be fitted with a blade. I'll put it on a future project.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7370/9442009310_87325c5c02_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3807/9439226435_df8dbac2a8_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2884/9439226467_4347653498_o.jpg)
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: GTX_Admin August 05, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
Wow!!!
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: GTX_Admin August 05, 2013, 03:30:09 PM
Looking good.
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Old Wombat August 05, 2013, 07:02:43 PM
Wow!!!

What he said!

8)

Guy
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: buzzbomb August 05, 2013, 07:28:38 PM
Once again.... great use of stuff.
Really nice build
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Logan Hartke August 05, 2013, 10:10:16 PM
That really looks the business, Gingie.  Well done!

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Dr. YoKai August 05, 2013, 10:32:11 PM
 It is pretty cool.
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Brian da Basher August 06, 2013, 02:25:54 AM
It sure looks every bit the business. I especially like the legs on the back.

Brian da Basher
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Jacques Deguerre August 06, 2013, 10:47:44 PM
Holy cow, that is really nice! :icon_surprised:
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Gingie August 07, 2013, 09:05:33 AM
Thanks Fellas. I swore I would not start anymore whifs until these were painted, but I've gone and diced up some p-card to make a rear-engined 6x6 AVGP, and,  a tracked Grizzly.  :o
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: buzzbomb August 07, 2013, 10:17:51 AM
Thanks Fellas. I swore I would not start anymore whifs until these were painted, but I've gone and diced up some p-card to make a rear-engined 6x6 AVGP, and,  a tracked Grizzly.  :o

Bring it on.. loving this way of using existing designs and extending it further.
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Panzerroland August 07, 2013, 08:12:23 PM
Hi,

very neat build. Everything looks right and functional.

Cheers
Roland
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: apophenia August 09, 2013, 10:42:33 AM
Thanks Fellas. I swore I would not start anymore whifs until these were painted, but I've gone and diced up some p-card to make a rear-engined 6x6 AVGP, and,  a tracked Grizzly.  :o

Oh, yes please! But still looking forward to seeing the AVGP Weasel painted too  :)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: apophenia August 09, 2013, 10:46:11 AM
Gorgeous work Graeme! Will you take the same drivetrain approach for your tracked Grizzly?
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Old Wombat August 09, 2013, 03:16:56 PM
Thanks Fellas. I swore I would not start anymore whifs until these were painted, but I've gone and diced up some p-card to make a rear-engined 6x6 AVGP, and,  a tracked Grizzly.  :o

'S OK, gives you the option on unifying all their paint schemes as part of the same WhIf army or SpecOp's unit. ;)

:o

Guy
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie August 10, 2013, 05:01:04 AM
Thanks fellas.

The tracked Grizzly is on a 6-roadwheel M-113 lower. The 113 hull was split between the 2 & 3 wheels, and will have be spaced to accommodate a new wheel station. The hull was also split about halfway up horizontally. The lower glacis angle will carry upwards from the lower hull to the AVGP upper. Imagine a Warrior MCV with a 1m turret, and that's pretty much what it's going to look like. Might even put some add on armour like the Warrior has. So far, its been a pretty straightforward cut as the width is an OOB match, and so is the M113 ramp arch a direct match to the rear door arch on the AVGP.

: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Gingie August 10, 2013, 05:02:51 AM
I've picked up some of those J's work digital paint masks for PLA tanks, with the intent of using them on my 1:1 scale Remington 597HB! But i may end up using them on a model instead.
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: buzzbomb August 10, 2013, 03:58:41 PM
I've picked up some of those J's work digital paint masks for PLA tanks, with the intent of using them on my 1:1 scale Remington 597HB! But i may end up using them on a model instead.


Bwahahahaha.. great stuff.. go for it. It is a load of fun
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/SSM/scarabdigital640.jpg)
Sorry to hijack your thread with a foreign pix.

: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: GTX_Admin August 11, 2013, 03:07:10 AM
You can't go hijacking a thread like that without posting one of your own showing more of that creation...
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Dr. YoKai August 12, 2013, 03:19:54 AM
isn't that one of the David Drake  'Combat cars' from his Hammer's Slammers series?

Great job on the Weisel. Feels like it ought to be paired with some kind of SPG...
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Old Wombat August 12, 2013, 02:45:01 PM
isn't that one of the David Drake  'Combat cars' from his Hammer's Slammers series?

Great job on the Weisel. Feels like it ought to be paired with some kind of SPG...

It's Buzzbomb's take of a "combat car"-like vehicle (build was on SSM about 3 years ago (+/-)). Drake's description is slightly different. However, Drake, also, says that some equipment is sourced from different suppliers from time to time, so this may not be a Freislander manufactured vehicle but one built elsewhere to the same spec's.

The Weasel systems could, also, be used for terminal guidance of laser-targetted missiles, too.

:)

Guy
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Claymore August 24, 2013, 01:07:12 AM
Congratulations on some truly awesome work.  You know what they say, "If it looks right it probably is", well this one looks absolutely spot on!  :)
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Gingie September 10, 2013, 01:45:14 AM
Just a quick base coat in overall green (one of the Tamiya JGSDF colours). Not sure I want to try digital masks on this....just getting the basecoat into all the nooks & crannies was a chore, and I'm sure I've missed some spots.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7317/9702540857_afb19729db_b.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5548/9705775574_1a34b1b8c4_b.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2868/9702540347_59b58bb3d9_b.jpg)



: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Gingie September 10, 2013, 01:55:03 AM
Basecoated this one while I had the paint out for the Weasel Recce 4x4
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3742/9702541663_05b473757a_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/9705774076_ae69f76420_b.jpg)
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Gingie September 10, 2013, 02:25:23 AM
Painted this one up over the weekend. Tried a winter scheme, and an overall-OD, neither looked any good. Decided to try the USA 4-colour scheme, but even that fought me. I think I might have bent my airbrush needle as the Gunze paint I normally use was spattering a fair bit, despite every combination of thinner ratio and air pressure. I may try brush painting the black & tan squiggles as oftentime IRL these were done with a hard edge.

Armamnet will be 4 x Sidewinder IR SAM, 2 x Hellfire ATGM, and a BFO rocket pod I think came from a Frogfoot!

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3697/9705774674_2e041e76aa_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3819/9705774110_4d64c89d73_b.jpg)
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: GTX_Admin September 10, 2013, 03:11:07 AM
Off to a good start.  I look forward to seeing how you do the various paint stages.
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Logan Hartke September 10, 2013, 03:44:34 AM
In the MERDC camo, it looks like it should be Korean.

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Gingie September 10, 2013, 06:40:37 AM
Funnily enough, the *only* other MERDC scheme I've done was a Korean K-263!
: Re: Cougar SAM
: buzzbomb September 10, 2013, 08:30:33 AM
Nice Graeme..
The fitout works for me
Recently did a Chaparrall in MERDC and it fought (and won) as well
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Brian da Basher September 11, 2013, 03:04:49 AM
That scheme is a home run in my book!

Most excellent, Gingie!

Brian da Basher
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: Brian da Basher September 11, 2013, 03:05:55 AM
I really like how you have the radar/camera fully extended. Gives this AFV a lot of character!

Brian da Basher
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Brian da Basher September 11, 2013, 03:07:54 AM
I really like that shade of green. Reminds me of some Italian Green I've got. Very pleasing to the eye.

Brian da Basher
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Jacques Deguerre September 11, 2013, 08:57:53 AM
OK, so this wasn't the hot, middle-age chick named Samantha I was hoping for but it's still a really cool model. ;D Major props for successfully tackling the damnable MERDC scheme!
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Jacques Deguerre September 11, 2013, 09:06:25 AM
I like it! With all the variations in the Piranha/LAV family, you could've told me it was a real vehicle and I would never have questioned it.
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Gingie September 11, 2013, 10:13:25 PM
hahah, ok here ya go. She wasn't a Cougar when we had her photos pinned up in our Gun Tractor back in 1990...she was still a Fox. 20+ years on, she's now Cougar Sam:

(http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/East+London+Film+Festival+City+Rats+Arrivals+OsT1mbMz6AMl.jpg)
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Old Wombat September 11, 2013, 11:44:57 PM
If you happen to be a girl...... :icon_surprised:

Nice build & camo (even if it did fight you)! 8)

:)

Guy
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Jacques Deguerre September 11, 2013, 11:48:46 PM
hahah, ok here ya go. She wasn't a Cougar when we had her photos pinned up in our Gun Tractor back in 1990...she was still a Fox. 20+ years on, she's now Cougar Sam:

([url]http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/East+London+Film+Festival+City+Rats+Arrivals+OsT1mbMz6AMl.jpg[/url])


HAHAHA! Thanks Graeme! ;D
: Re: AVGP Weasel whatif
: apophenia September 13, 2013, 03:52:14 AM
This is looking seriously good!  :)
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: apophenia September 13, 2013, 03:55:30 AM
... you could've told me it was a real vehicle and I would never have questioned it.

Too true. And it actually looks better-balanced than many of those real world Piranha variants too!
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Gingie September 16, 2013, 04:46:35 AM
OK, round 2 of the MERDC cam. This time with multiple layers of extra thinned paint to tighten up the over spray:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3788/9763716291_e9a9e123a4_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3827/9763934235_3220555aa5_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3812/9763718381_e00ba9df5c_o.jpg)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie September 16, 2013, 04:58:08 AM
Going to go with a single colour desert scheme. It was painted OD, but turned out really dark, and I think hid alot of the nice moulding done by AFV Club on the Stryker upper, so I went with a Tamiya Wooden Deck Tan:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9763717101_7b478700da_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3747/9763933246_2658b63b7f_o.jpg)
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Gingie September 16, 2013, 05:05:58 AM
Thanks guys, I was trying for a very plausible WHIF here. With that in mind, I've tried to approximate the Canadian 3-tone camo of the cold war era (before NATO scheme and montone Green)

The blotchiness is part of the paint process and will disappear under a gloss coat / flat coat.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7408/9763934536_7d5d58f5c2_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5491/9763939704_605108e65e_o.jpg)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Cliffy B September 16, 2013, 05:05:59 AM
Man this is NICE!!!!  Are you going to do a display base at all?  Looks like it would be perfect in some sand  8)
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Brian da Basher September 16, 2013, 03:42:08 PM
You've got an incredible talent for camouflage. I can only smile with amazement at your mad skills!

Brian da Basher
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Brian da Basher September 16, 2013, 03:42:47 PM
That paintwork is magnificent!

Brian da Basher
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Gingie September 16, 2013, 11:09:12 PM
Thanks Brian...though my "talent" is really just properly thinned paint, a fine airbrush needle, and 2x reading glasses  :)
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: finsrin September 17, 2013, 12:37:29 AM
Does pass for 100% real OOB.   :)
Camo is right on too.
Like to know what type paint that is.
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Dr. YoKai September 17, 2013, 01:12:55 AM
Sure is - makes me want to go back and add some slashes of black to the GohTen... ( Winks. Because I can't find the emoticons...)
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: Gingie September 17, 2013, 02:12:01 AM
Paints:
Green is Tamiya XF-73 JGSDF Dark Green
Olive is Tamiya Olive Drab lightened with Dark Yellow
Black is Gunze Acrylic Tire black (Tamiya NATO black is very similar)
: Re: Cougar SAM
: buzzbomb September 18, 2013, 08:27:44 AM
Excellent..
I get a superb paint finish AND Sam Fox in the same thread.

Really great job on that MERDC and all free hand by the looks, really tight job

Love it.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Old Wombat September 19, 2013, 11:33:15 PM
Lots & lots of über cool! 8)

:)

Guy
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: GTX_Admin September 20, 2013, 02:40:13 AM
This actually has a somewhat Scifi-ish look to it.  Maybe wouldn't be out of place on Mars?
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Camthalion September 21, 2013, 05:36:27 AM
Looks great
: Re: Expanded Mobility AVGP Grizzly
: apophenia September 21, 2013, 07:02:37 AM
Looking great! It's really nice to see the early cam ... and 'skinny' tires too  :D
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: apophenia September 21, 2013, 07:03:56 AM
Man this is NICE!!!!  Are you going to do a display base at all?  Looks like it would be perfect in some sand  8)

Agreed on the "NICE!!!!" And it does cry out for a diorama ... hint, hint  ;)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Volkodav September 21, 2013, 10:00:57 AM
I do like!

Now we just need to wait for someone to order the real thing.
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Rickshaw September 22, 2013, 06:50:01 PM
I wonder has it been mentioned that this is no longer a Whiff? (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?219231-Tracked-Stryker-variant-A-GDLS-proposal-for-US-Army-AMPV-program)

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/322082/322082_600.jpg)

(http://vuurwapenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/tracked-1024x682.jpg)

(http://www.dodbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Tracked-Stryker.jpg)

Different running gear but a tracked Stryker, none the less...

: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Volkodav September 22, 2013, 07:39:53 PM
That's why I said order, not design  :)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Gingie September 22, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
Was basing mine of this very early concept:

(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/27/28/27282788d7bb3913de9bb9675aae8f65.jpeg)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Old Wombat September 22, 2013, 10:46:58 PM
Right down to the colour, apparently! :icon_surprised:

Personally, Gingie, the wider tracks on yours look much cooler & more practical. 8)

:)

Guy
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: Claymore September 23, 2013, 12:38:41 AM
Going to go with a single colour desert scheme. It was painted OD, but turned out really dark, and I think hid alot of the nice moulding done by AFV Club on the Stryker upper, so I went with a Tamiya Wooden Deck Tan:

Damn but that is awesome! Hats off to you my good man!  :)
: Re: Heavy Infantry Assault Vehicle (HIAV) whatif
: taiidantomcat September 23, 2013, 01:28:07 AM
God thats is just brilliant  :-* What a great model, looks extremely Real World
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Gingie September 23, 2013, 04:50:57 AM
Cheers fellas. Here's the final step before weathering. I'm actually going to shelve this one for a while, as I'm in the process of scrapping my current methods of weathering and want to suss out some new (to me) techniques.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/9882468284_af4d6694b7_b.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2828/9882466726_8913d16e47_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7295/9882572143_e531852029_b.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2885/9882470404_9f7cdfd8d8_b.jpg)
: Re: Cougar SAM
: The Big Gimper September 23, 2013, 04:55:36 AM
Very nice.

Can I get a 1:1 scale model? There are days when I am stuck on the 417 (local Ottawa highway) and I could use this to remove a few rude and selfish drivers.
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Logan Hartke September 23, 2013, 06:17:25 AM
Now that is just lovely.  Great job!

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: Cougar SAM
: buzzbomb September 23, 2013, 08:16:39 AM
more terrificness.

Are the seekers sensors on the missiles paint or lenses ?
either way they look great.

Looking forward to the finished item mit weathering

: Re: Cougar SAM
: Gingie September 23, 2013, 09:30:19 AM
Thanks guys.

The Sidewinder missile heads are Testors Chrome Silver overpainted with Tamiya Clear Orange. The Hellfires are from a 1/35th UH-60, and while the kit does provide a clear seeker head, I used a 3-D purple reflective sticker I found in the scrapbooking section of the craft store.
: Re: Cougar SAM
: apophenia September 25, 2013, 10:43:40 AM
Very nice! But a little 'Arms Show' in appearance ... looking forward to that weathering  :)
: Re: Cougar SAM
: Brian da Basher September 27, 2013, 03:18:16 AM
Just killer, Gingie!

Brian da Basher
: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie October 02, 2013, 10:17:47 PM
Trumpeter AVGP Grizzly
Academy M-113
AFV Club Diehl Tracks

This What-if build would have taken place around the time the CAF was thinking up ideas to re-purpose the AVGP. One of the drawbacks of the AVGP was its somewhat poor performance in marginal terrain. Along with the 8x8 Gun Tractor , a tracked concept using M-113 and AVGP parts was created to outfit Mechanized Infantry Battalions.

The M-113 and AVGP share the same max hull width, and also share the same width at the rear hull roof line. The M-113 hull is going to have to be lengthened. Presumably, the motor would be upgraded to account for additional weight that add-on armour would bring. End result I expect will look a lot like a Warrior MICV with a 1m turret.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7390/10043157996_d4dcec96e9_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7419/10043236333_b7eac43999_b.jpg)
: Gingie's Build Thread - Cougar C1A1 AVGP
: Gingie October 02, 2013, 10:41:03 PM
The original Cougar shares a similar hull design as the Grizzly. The Grizzly, used mainly by the Infantry, required a rear troop carrying area. In the Armoured units, the Cougar did not have the same requirement to transport dismounts. The Cougar C1A1 instead uses this area to relocate the power pack. This offered the advantages of: improved handling, as the orginal Cougar was notoriously front-heavy; a shorter wheelbase & tighter turning circle; a slightly lower profile; and greater agility through an increased power-to-weight ratio.

Here's where the build is at now. I'm thinking Cougar turret with a 25mm bushmaster, or maybe a LAV-25 turret.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7366/10043100694_3f7563f77c_b.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7298/10043163006_d9fcdbf4be_b.jpg)
: Re: Cougar C1A1 AVGP
: Jeffry Fontaine October 02, 2013, 10:53:44 PM
So a Lynx with wheels ? :)
: Re: Cougar C1A1 AVGP
: Gingie October 02, 2013, 11:28:03 PM
...and a turret!
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Old Wombat October 03, 2013, 12:38:13 AM
Interesting! Waiting to see more. :D

:)

Guy
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: kerick October 03, 2013, 01:44:15 AM
I like this idea, Press on!
: Re: Cougar C1A1 AVGP
: ChernayaAkula October 03, 2013, 09:11:22 AM
VERY interesting!  :)
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Jacques Deguerre October 03, 2013, 10:33:02 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing this come together!
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Gingie October 18, 2013, 07:12:32 AM
I think the tough stuff is over, should be fairly OOB from here on in. Not going to fit any add-on armour or anything too "out there". Paint scheme will be as per Canadian Army 3 tone AVGP pattern.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7290/10336278466_920aef2922_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3829/10336250604_fca9f050f3_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3810/10336262245_81597ecbd6_o.jpg)
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: father ennis October 18, 2013, 07:16:46 AM
Outstanding work ...    :-* :-* :-*
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: apophenia October 18, 2013, 11:53:07 AM
That looks very promising! Love what you've done with the nose.
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Queeg October 18, 2013, 01:45:15 PM
Very interesting so far ..... with the nose it looks almost Soviet.
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: GTX_Admin October 19, 2013, 03:10:29 AM
He's at it again!  Outstanding!!! :)
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Alvis 3.1 October 19, 2013, 04:57:23 AM
Great idea, this is going to look awesome!

Alvis 3.1
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Old Wombat October 25, 2013, 03:51:48 AM
Looks like a contender for a USMC amphibious vehicle. ;)

Very neat! 8)

:)

Guy
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: kerick October 26, 2013, 10:50:13 AM
A person could try a Bradley lower hull. I have one laying around...........
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Gingie October 27, 2013, 09:01:33 PM
A person could try a Bradley lower hull. I have one laying around...........


Yep, this build is meant to be the progenitor for this one:

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2884/9439226467_4347653498_o.jpg)
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Old Wombat November 01, 2013, 04:17:09 AM
Now that works!

:)

Guy
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Camthalion November 02, 2013, 06:33:08 AM
That's looking really good.  Nice work
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Claymore November 03, 2013, 10:29:36 PM
Looking really great.  I like the idea of the developmental line.  Absolutely top notch!  :)
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Gingie November 23, 2013, 06:07:57 AM
I'm really kinda meh about this one now. I was going for a early-70's look with mods inspired by US M-113 in Vietnam and perhaps IDF stuff. I'm just not sure it works - the design seems awkward to me. Too high maybe? Do the rear MG mounts look too much like an afterthought?

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5535/10999940155_834b6b4aaf_o.jpg)

With M60A2 cupola which I am liking more than the twin 30 cal Cadillac-Gage Dalek-looking one.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7345/11000024196_ea94267c73_o.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2876/11000098654_3ceb37e7b3_o.jpg)
: Gingine's Build Thread - LAV 10x10
: Gingie November 23, 2013, 06:12:35 AM
This will probably have some kind of air defence system mounted:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7416/11000097944_53d3b32fd7_o.jpg)

: Re: LAV 10x10
: Claymore November 23, 2013, 06:18:13 AM
Wow... Do you have an inexhaustible supply of these things?  ;D
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Logan Hartke November 23, 2013, 06:38:35 AM
What setting is this supposed to be?  Is this supposed to be Canadian Cold War 1980s Germany?

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Logan Hartke November 23, 2013, 06:39:58 AM
I'm envisioning an LAV sausage-maker.  He just determines the length.

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Frank3k November 23, 2013, 06:40:08 AM
It looks vaguely Russian. The extra height isn't a problem for me - it gives it a certain heft and menace. The only thing that seems off is the wimpy 0.30 cal in front of the turret.. I like the M60 cupola as well. The rear MG mounts look OK, especially if they're .50 cal.
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: GTX_Admin November 23, 2013, 06:40:55 AM
I like the first version...but that's just me.
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Volkodav November 23, 2013, 09:24:49 AM
20mm of a Marder?
I have a Marder somewhere with the Delco turret from a LAV 25 in the box, it was all about the Marder and hadn't decided what to do with the LAV but now you have me thinking.
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Gingie November 23, 2013, 09:37:07 AM
Volkodav - I think a LAV-25, with the middle axle chopped and made into a 6x6, with the Marder 20mm turret would look great!

Frank3k - the rear guns were  going to be C5 GPMG's; the same as the Crew Comd and Gunner's weapons. It was the GPMG used by Canadian Infantry Battalions for the time period.

Logan - setting is supposed to be a vehicle purchased in the mid-60's and gone through a second-line upgrade roughly 5 years into its life cycle. So, call it 1969. The upgrade being the addition of crew comd's and air sentry MG mounts, a powered turret in place of the M-113 ACAV style, and Diehl tracks. Toying with the idea that Canada provided an Inf Bn to augment 1 Australian Task Force in Vietnam, or as a UNFICYP vehicle circa 1974. 
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Logan Hartke November 23, 2013, 12:37:15 PM
In that case, Gingie, I think you've almost nailed the look you're going for.  I like the twin .30 turret for Vietnam, personally.  If it was supposed to be Germany, then the .50 cal turret would fit the look better.

I do agree with you that the MGs at the back are too much.  That's a pretty small top deck for all those guns, so I'd take the two .30s with gun shields off, but the driver's .30 cal is pretty cool-looking.  I think the way to go is adding barbed wire, maybe some Marsden matting, and some ammo cans or C-ration boxes.  Something like this. (http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2000/m113a1ls_1.htm)

I really do think you're almost there for what you're going for.  Go with your gut on the gun shield .30s at the back, and you should be ready for paint and details.

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: LAV 10x10
: LemonJello November 23, 2013, 07:57:08 PM
Interesting.  Will be following this one as it progresses.
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Old Wombat November 23, 2013, 11:21:08 PM
Man, here we go again! ;D

I'll be watching this, for sure! 8)

:)

Guy

PS: Is that the AFV Club M1128 MGS you're using as a base kit? ???
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Gingie November 24, 2013, 12:01:12 AM
Yep, MGS is the base, and the left over lower hull from my Tracked Stryker build.

I also took the short rear hull from the MGS and the 2 front axles from the spare tracked Stryker hull together to make a LAV III 6x6, but without any upper of rear hull donor parts remaining, it will be more a scratchbuild.
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Claymore November 24, 2013, 02:13:31 AM
Interesting.  Will be following this one as it progresses.

 ;D  I recon he has shares in the company!  ;)
: Re: Tracked Grizzly
: Claymore November 24, 2013, 02:20:18 AM
It's looking really good and right for the era you are after.  Having said that, I would agree with Logan that it would look better with the two rear .30s and gun shields removed. Perhaps just a tad too crowded as is. However, that is my only comment.  Otherwise it is damned fine my good man and I can't wait to see it finished off.  :)
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Gingie November 24, 2013, 08:29:34 AM
I think if I added up all the Trumpeter 6x6 (Grizzly, Cougar, Husky), I'd be in double digits for sure. LAV 8x8 and M-113's a close second!

This was the inspiration for the build. Not saying mine will look like this (for starters, that a LAV Gen 2 10x10)... I may go with a radome covered search radar, and a more simple tracking system. Maybe some kind of outrigger jacks like on the M-61 20mm equipped V-100's. As for guns..thinking twin GAU 8's  :P
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Cliffy B November 24, 2013, 09:17:19 AM
Twin GAU-8s?!  Better add an ammo vehicle or some sort of trailer with a flexible, armored ammo feed connecting them  ;)  Can't wait to see this beast man  8)
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Gingie November 24, 2013, 11:36:28 AM
It's have around 1.5x what the A-10 carries  -  basing that on the size of the ammo drum in the Trumpeter 32nd A-10 kit.

forgot to post the image last time:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7325/11000149634_13206e0641_o.jpg)
: Re: LAV 10x10
: GTX_Admin November 24, 2013, 11:40:24 AM
I like! :-*

Maybe add in an additional articulated module at the rear to carry even more ammunition?
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Logan Hartke November 24, 2013, 12:24:49 PM
My dream is that you'll do an LAV variant with a Denel G7 105mm turret some day.

(http://www.army.mil.za/news/news%202009/jan/HY_09_08.jpg)

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Gingie November 24, 2013, 09:55:36 PM
I thought I had seen every LAV, but that's a new one! I wonder if it has spades at the rear a-la M-109?

All my hardback copies of Janes are from mid-90's...I need to update.
: Re: LAV 10x10
: Volkodav November 24, 2013, 10:21:29 PM
http://www.casr.ca/bg-artillery-fifc-project.htm (http://www.casr.ca/bg-artillery-fifc-project.htm)
Have a look at this then ;)
http://www.casr.ca/bg-artillery-fifc-project-6.jpg (http://www.casr.ca/bg-artillery-fifc-project-6.jpg)
http://www.casr.ca/bg-artillery-fifc-project-6.jpg (http://www.casr.ca/bg-artillery-fifc-project-6.jpg)
: Re: LAV 10x10
: buzzbomb November 25, 2013, 06:24:55 AM
Oh Yeah !!!

Looking forward to whatever this ends up being... your form so far has been fantastic
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 02, 2013, 06:34:52 AM
Little more progress on the lower hull.

I spent a fair amount of time on the side hull spacers, getting them sanded oh so smooth, then realized that the applique armour would go over top! I was able to cut the applique armour in such a way that it mostly hid the hull joins. Sanded the inserts flush and added or repaired the bolt detail as required. Used a tamiya scriber + dymo tape to suggest AoA separation joins

Don't mind the wobbly wheels, they are just blutak'd on.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3834/11160526784_cb47afd174_o.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7419/11160500096_6425f58eee_o.jpg)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2815/11160500606_4d12ca3920_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Jeffry Fontaine December 02, 2013, 07:57:05 AM
Graeme, that yellow sheet plastic you are using.  Did it by chance serve a purpose as an envelope stiffener for sensitive imagery products before you took custody of it?  ;)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 02, 2013, 09:50:05 AM
Why, I do believe it did! Around 3"x8" rectangles, maybe .040 thick?
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Jeffry Fontaine December 02, 2013, 10:22:06 AM
Why, I do believe it did! Around 3"x8" rectangles, maybe .040 thick?
:) I used to get the white version when I was in Germany, had Xerox box or more of it by the time I returned stateside.  Then I discovered that they were using the yellow plastic at a place I visited several times in the Washington D.C. Navy Yard.  Never stocked up on it but it there were hundreds of pieces of the stuff stacked up all over the place waiting for someone to "recycle it"
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: finsrin December 05, 2013, 01:03:24 PM
Been remiss at following-commenting on all armor builds  :-[
I'm impressed with how much scratch building went into Grizzly.  You imagineered a cool piece of armor  :-*
10x10 is going together is same realistic looking manner.  Keep posting  :)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: taiidantomcat December 06, 2013, 11:55:39 AM
I am loving these 10 wheels! Really makes me want to try something similiar. Made it look easy too  :)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: kitnut617 December 06, 2013, 11:06:52 PM
I sort of like these types of vehicles, but they seem to me to be quite top heavy but whether they actually are I wouldn't know ---

Are they available in 1/72 scale, need a couple or four to pose with my CC-177 ---
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Claymore December 07, 2013, 12:58:33 AM
Looking absolutely great.  :)

But where is this multi-road-wheel thing going to stop or will you eventually give us one of the Amtrak War Road Trains?  ;D
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: tankmodeler December 07, 2013, 11:37:59 AM
Why, I do believe it did! Around 3"x8" rectangles, maybe .040 thick?
I had a sizable stash of the yellow sheets a number of years ago acquired from a Mr. Beldam of Cdn Forces fame. All used by now, but I do remember how nice it was to use for scratchbuilding.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Silver Fox December 07, 2013, 12:59:50 PM
Truly some works of art in this thread!

I'm wondering though if the LAV-10 might not need the rear axle to counter steer? It looks like the long wheelbase will drag wheels or demand a very large turning circle.

I'm almost out of the styrene from Int Section myself, I really should have loaded up all I could carry... but I "thought" I had a lifetime supply!
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 07, 2013, 10:52:45 PM

I'm wondering though if the LAV-10 might not need the rear axle to counter steer?

The real ones do in fact have a steerable rear axle. Swedish LAV 10x10 Coastal Artillery Command post has em. A fact pointed out to me after I CA'd the suspension in place  :-[

The technology is there to have future wheeled LAV be able to do pivot turns.

I just thought of something, when a LAV-UP weighs 60,000 lbs, at what point do we drop the "L" in LAV?

: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: kitnut617 December 07, 2013, 11:22:07 PM
. A fact pointed out to me after I CA'd the suspension in place  :-[

As you have superglued them, some debonder would un-glue it ----
: Re: LAV 10x10
: apophenia December 08, 2013, 08:09:45 AM
I thought I had seen every LAV, but that's a new one! I wonder if it has spades at the rear a-la M-109?


That's the Denel-LIW LEO-105. No rear spades ... there's a roughly side view on this old page: http://www.casr.ca/bg-artillery-fifs-105mm.htm (http://www.casr.ca/bg-artillery-fifs-105mm.htm)

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004armaments/04_Vickory_105mm_Indirect_Fire.pdf (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2004armaments/04_Vickory_105mm_Indirect_Fire.pdf)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Old Wombat December 08, 2013, 10:34:42 AM
I just thought of something, when a LAV-UP weighs 60,000 lbs, at what point do we drop the "L" in LAV?

Probably at about the same time they begin to completely out-weigh MBT's. ;D

:)

Guy
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 29, 2013, 06:43:18 AM
I picked up a Revell Puma to become a Canadian Army Close Combat Vehicle (CCV). In the early stages of the real world project (now recently cancelled), the Puma was a contender, with an option for the turret to be built in Canada.

I reckoned a LAV-III turret would make sense from a training / logistics perspective, and so built the kit lower hull OTB and was getting ready to work on the turret, until I placed it on the hull that is. I knew the Puma was big, but it practically dwarfs the LAV-III turret.

I'm going to put this one back on the shelf until I get a better idea for the turret. I may just go OTB! BTW, this revell kit fits quite nicely given the complexity of the hull engineering. Details a little softer, but this is a great weekend slammer kit.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3758/11611912833_b99c2f81f4_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3734/11611898453_9aab2710d7_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: raafif December 29, 2013, 07:18:50 AM
might look better with the full turret not just the upper half ??  Maybe widen & lengthen it with some plasticard - a bit of work but straight forward if there's a clear area to make clean cuts without destroying detail ?
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Volkodav December 29, 2013, 03:19:27 PM
I can't help but wonder what a surplus Leopard C2 turret would look like on it.

Actually on second thoughts the turret off the M-8 AGS may look good, or possibly the M-8 turret rejigged for Bofors 57mm or Oto Melara 76mm naval guns
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Claymore December 29, 2013, 08:13:42 PM
Regarding your concerns, the LAV -III turret still looks bigger than the original Puma turret as it seems to overlap quite a bit of the upper hull detail.  Just how big a turret do you need?  Also I take it the lower hull still has to have its outer road-wheels fitted.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 29, 2013, 08:55:38 PM
I think a Leopard turret would look pretty decent... and I have one in the spares pile. Probably come out a bit like an Argie TAM:

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_6b1Oy0gso8/UaOyVLMYfAI/AAAAAAAABeg/lKFUZ4FKTsE/s1600/TAM_argentine_21.jpg)

Claymore  - the Puma turret is quite a bit larger than a LAV turret, despite the Puma's being unmanned:

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2862/11623442286_68c150acc0_o.jpg)

I try to leave the outer road wheels off when I have to fix the track before painting, as it makes painting the track a little easier.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3667/11622846463_c30fe4dcf9_o.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7415/11622622795_584ae65059_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Claymore December 29, 2013, 10:00:20 PM
Ah yes, point taken.  The pictures I have of the Puma do not really do justice to the full size of its turret - it is somewhat on the big side.  :-[

Good idea with the road-wheels, I may well give that a go myself (well for those kit-bashes where the wheels are not already fully made up). Thanks.  :)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: taiidantomcat December 29, 2013, 10:42:02 PM
Try a Bradley turret?  ???
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 29, 2013, 11:27:08 PM
Oh yeah, if I didn't know better, based on the pic above, I'd have said my LAV-III turret was 1/48 on a 35th Puma. It really is a surprisingly large vehicle.

 
The factory turret is kind of growing on me. I was going to use it on a Boxer, but I think I will leave it on the Puma. As for cam, I was thinking something along the lines of tan/brown/green like the Elysium Raven ship.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Volkodav December 29, 2013, 11:36:25 PM
Fingers crossed the new government doesn't kill off Project Land 400 to replace the RAAC M113 APC, I believe the Puma is a contender and would look great in Australian cam.

I do like the Turret as well but wonder if it could house a bigger gun, I believe a number of Bushmasters were designed to be increased in calibre as required, 30-400mm and 35-50mm if I remember correctly, Puma uses a Mauser doesn't it?
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 30, 2013, 12:28:18 AM
It's a 30mm - not sure of the manufacturer. I think the Germans went with a 30 because it can still be belt fed (vice mag fed like CV9040 etc). Belt fed is a plus in an unmanned turret as more ammo can be made 'ready to fire'. A mag fed gun in an unmanned turret... crew would have to dismount every 10-20 rounds to change the mags.

I'm not sure if the LAV-UP (Canadian LAV-III replacement) retains the 20mm gun. I think it does.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Queeg December 30, 2013, 03:43:58 AM
This is the first time I've really seen the Puma ... like others the size is surprising. I love the standard turret too, looks good and has many potential swap uses too I'd bet.

The new MENG Bradley turret with all the add ones might work size wise, but the Leopard also sounds like a good fit. Can't wait to see where you go with this .....

As an aside I'll be honest and I can't quite reconcile the current move to bigger and bigger infantry APC, FSV and patrol vehicles. Huge targets, heavy,  difficult to maneuver and conceal, mine and IED protection certainly, until someone uses bigger explosives.

cheers
Brent

: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 31, 2013, 11:18:52 AM
Built the lower hull of a Bandai M61A5 yesterday, thing fits like a dream. Possibly the best fitting kit I've ever made.  No pics yet, instead, here's what I built today; Tamiya 2A5 lower and AFV Club MGS turret.

Tamiya fits beautifully with no putty and a slight bit of filing. I spent more time gouging the road wheels than assembling the hull. Could not say the same regarding quick assembly of the MGS turret. Talk about parts for the sake of parts. I will say however that the fit of the MGS turret was quite good and the detail is for sure there, but the parts count was working against me today. I left the gun off as I plan on using the Leopard's 120mm or something more sci-fi.


I may pop the MGS turret off the 2A5 and use on it a Boxer. It looks like too little turret for too big a tank. I reckon this would be one of the fastest Leopards with such a weight reduction. If I do plonk the MGS on to something else, I might try a Gepard Mk II turret for the 2A5 hull...hmm...


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3794/11659561153_07fb34f454_o.jpg)

.50 cal with almost as many parts as the real one. Damn macro showing all the sprue nubs! 
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7318/11659307605_321caa6675_o.jpg)

Vivian, the roadwheel chewing hamster,  makes his first appearance since the Rhodesian T-55 of so many years ago
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2879/11659562173_152cf42c82_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: buzzbomb December 31, 2013, 11:40:09 AM
Vivian.. guffaw.

Liking what I see on all the above.. Really love the autoloader/automated type turret setup on almost anything.. but this is really nice
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Volkodav December 31, 2013, 09:33:53 PM
Just had a vision of a Leo 2 equivalent of the turretless Stuart ARVs of WWII.  What do you recon, a MG3 or a 50 cal?

If you were going for an automated turret why stop at 120mm what about a 127/62 from a Mk45 Mod 4 naval mount, or even a 155/62 AGS? ;)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie March 24, 2014, 12:20:58 AM
Sat down at the bench for the first time in 2014. Actually, not even the bench...out local club had a build night and I decided to try airbrushing on the road. Managed to get a rough pattern on before a clogged needle confounded the rest of the night.

I hadn't originally planned on the more modern NATO camouflage, but when I learned it made its appearance as early as 1985, I figured the Tracked AVGP would for sure still be in service.

Hoping these pics will show.. seems like Flickr is not letting me direct link on some other forums.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7363/13356272774_eff1cee646_o.jpg)

(outer road wheels left off to ease painting of the track)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3734/13356039993_b50db4e83b_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Volkodav March 24, 2014, 12:37:26 AM
The old Cadillac Gage Turret, twin .30, used to have .30/.50 combo on the M113s I used to crew, tight fit for a rugby union player. 

Looking very good Gingie and now all painted I noticed it actually has a bit of a Chinese look to it, almost like something the Chinese exported and say Thailand westernised, weird how that can happen with a wiff sometimes, you use well known shapes and end up with something that sort of looks like something else.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Logan Hartke March 24, 2014, 01:03:46 AM
Oh boy, you're right.  Very much like a Type 89/ZSD89.

(http://www.scaleplasticandrail.com/kaboom/images/stories/creative/plazsd89/PLA02.jpg)

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie March 24, 2014, 02:41:43 AM
Yep! Chinese Type 89 APC resemblance was noted by a couple guys at the club too! Kind of a convergent evolution of a Sino-Canadian MICV. I had not even seen a Type-89 before the weekend...really incredible how close it came to looking like that by accident.

There's an ex-pat Aussie in our club who crewed the 113 with the 50 & 30..he's a big lad too, I bet it would be very cramped indeed.

: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Rickshaw March 27, 2014, 11:45:34 AM
The worse problem with the T150 turret was that most .50cals and quite a .30cals couldn't lift a full belt the necessary distance from the ammunition boxes on the floor of the turret basket to the gun.  This resulted in numerous stoppages.  In Vietnam they often mounted one of the .30cals on top of the turret, where it could be fired by the command reaching a hand out of the hatch.   While the T150 was a bit of a tight fit it was still preferable to either the original completely open position or the MG shields which preceded it.  It was also a lot more roomy than the other turret they trialled briefly (can't remember the designation) which had a .30cal under armour on either side, which very, very cramped indeed.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Volkodav March 27, 2014, 12:41:23 PM
It was tight but I liked it, simple robust and did the job.  Many of my fantasy assault guns and tank destroyers would have a T-50, in fact if I could find one in 1/72 my RAR DFS Platoon S Tank would have one, I am considering buying and M-48 or M-60 to get something at least.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie April 03, 2014, 10:21:50 PM
tightened up the cam a bit on my Tracked Grizzly:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3787/13603039044_8173a4edbd_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3809/13602677655_a86b073d89_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3682/13603043174_53e24c59f1_o.jpg)

And re-re-re-sprayed (yes, its on it's 4th cammo pattern now) my Puma IFV. I tried an urban scheme of greys, didn't like it. Tried a overall desert, didn't like that. Tried Swedish desert splinter cam..nope. So, here it halfway through #4, and I've just realized it looks like Israeli Air Force cam!

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3807/13603040394_2023cde737_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2810/13602678435_95974e0b40_o.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7255/13602696883_8298295ca4_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Volkodav April 03, 2014, 10:59:30 PM
How about an Australian sand green and black  ;)

Looking good in IAF cam though.
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: Gingie April 04, 2014, 02:22:12 AM
I do like that Aussie cam. I think I have an idea for it.

Here's the Puma with the cam refined a bit. The "black" paint is actually just dark sea grey (not even EDSG like on the Tracked Grizzly). I'm surprised at how black it looks on the model. My go to colours for NATO black will now be DSG / EDSG depending on how faded I want it to look.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3697/13607169945_3c529176c6_o.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5214/13607171305_844df7361a_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3766/13607170765_ee91bebbf1_o.jpg)
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: Volkodav April 04, 2014, 02:31:20 AM
Looking good, a bit of a South American flavour to it actually, not sure why I think that but that's the thought in the front of my mind with that cam.
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: GTX_Admin April 04, 2014, 03:03:13 AM
I don't care which country it is decided to become…the scheme simply looks great!  Certainly nice to see a Puma in something more colourful.
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: Volkodav April 04, 2014, 03:22:49 AM
Yeah it does look great, but so does all Gingies stuff  :)
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: Gingie April 04, 2014, 04:10:11 AM
Looking good, a bit of a South American flavour to it actually, not sure why I think that but that's the thought in the front of my mind with that cam.

Hey... now that you say it, it does remind me of that too, and I don;t know why either. Will have to google up some latin cam and see if it matches anything.
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: buzzbomb April 04, 2014, 06:15:33 AM
Yeah baby !

That scheme is very nice.
Really like that turret setup onthe Puma... got me thinkin' around the final layout of the Bushpig.


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: Gingie April 04, 2014, 08:28:31 AM
Ah, not South American... it was right under my nose the whole time. I should have sussed it out as soon as you mentioned Australian cam, because that is what the palette reminds me..not of the AFV, but the hearts & bunnies uniform:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/DPCU_closeup.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7193/13613007425_4c8aca1d7b_o.jpg)
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: The Big Gimper April 04, 2014, 09:23:33 AM
Ah, not South American... it was right under my nose the whole time. I should have sussed it out as soon as you mentioned Australian cam, because that is what the palette reminds me..not of the AFV, but the hearts & bunnies uniform:

([url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/DPCU_closeup.jpg[/url])

([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7193/13613007425_4c8aca1d7b_o.jpg[/url])


I see the hearts. Where are the cute fuzzy bunnies?
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: Jeffry Fontaine April 04, 2014, 10:43:50 AM
That Puma looks rather fetching in that assortment of colors Graeme.  Definitely not the usual NATO camouflage scheme you would expect to see on that vehicle.  If you had been a few days earlier you could have wound some folks up with a statement about Australia procuring the Puma and your build could have been the "official" sales model to support the rumour :)
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: Gingie April 04, 2014, 07:54:40 PM

I see the hearts. Where are the cute fuzzy bunnies?

Think stylized Playboy Bunny logo in need of a weight loss programme
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: GTX_Admin April 05, 2014, 03:41:57 AM
If you had been a few days earlier you could have wound some folks up with a statement about Australia procuring the Puma and your build could have been the "official" sales model to support the rumour :)

Don't laugh yet - the Puma is a contender under Australia's Land 400 programme.
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: Gingie April 05, 2014, 05:47:58 AM
I didn't even know Germany was exporting the Puma. I got it back when Canada still had the Close Combat Vehicle (CCV) project. Wanted to do the Puma and the Marder as Mech Inf bn whiffers.

I might have to reconsider now and make it Aussie!
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: GTX_Admin April 05, 2014, 05:53:52 AM
Rheinmetall Defence certainly thinks it is a chance ;):  Going up Down Under (http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/themen_im_fokus/nach_oben_in_down_under/artikel_down_under.php)

Some more info, including a list of potential contenders here (https://www.australiandefence.com.au/files/dmfile/March2011ADMLandForce1%2Epdf)
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: Gingie May 05, 2014, 01:38:01 AM
Some Daddy-Daughter rainy day projects. These are the Academy "Da Vinci" series which are also boxed by Italeri. Every now & then, Lucky has them on sale for $6 a pop, though for some reason, the Italeri ones are double the price. Oldest daughter Zoe (7) builds them with help from me. They can get a little fiddly so some experience is required - I think the age on the box says 14. However, they are all snap-together, and if we take our time it can easily take an hour (which is roughly her attention span). We also make the Tamiya animal robots. Academy has a nifty spider walking thing, but on its maiden voyage, it walked off the counter to an early demise.   

Self propelled cart:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7310/14126096483_986e41a8c1_o.jpg)

Catapult:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7456/14102790961_a9af6c0075_o.jpg)

Paddleboat:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5540/13919367487_9e8f978664_o.jpg)

Mechanical drum:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5454/14102792501_0aae83cfe3_o.jpg)

Solar powered Dragon Boat (I was not aware Da Vinci had pioneered photo-voltaic cells...learned sumptin' new!)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5539/14106030655_25cd9a7d72_o.jpg)

Concentrating hard on a rainy Sunday afternoon:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5481/13919371117_4f85c6aaf4_o.jpg)
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: Volkodav May 05, 2014, 02:47:11 AM
Good work, maybe when my Zoe (3) is older I could give something like that a go. Already done a F-84 and a Tiger 1 with my eldest that at age 6 went better than the submarine at age 5.
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: GTX_Admin May 05, 2014, 03:11:00 AM
Great work!
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: buzzbomb May 05, 2014, 06:53:48 AM
First time I have really seen those kits, except in a box.
What a great source of bits for a Steampunky type project.

What a great way to spend a rainy day. :)
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: Brian da Basher May 07, 2014, 04:09:26 AM
Wow those are some cool models, Gingie!

Great to see the younger generation getting involved in the hobby!

Brian da Basher
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: Gingie July 16, 2014, 10:20:52 PM
Lately I've been wanting to build a C-RAM Centurion (Think Phalanx CIWS on a HEMMT). Its designed for relatively static vital point defence against rockets and mortars; incoming projectiles on a ballistic trajectory. It relies on a very high volume of fire to defeat the incoming round before it lands on the base.

I started wondering what a mobile version would look like - something that could move with the forward elements of a Mech Brigade. And instead of smaller calibre and high volume fire, something larger & smarter with lower rates of fire. Similar to AHEAD rounds, but even bigger. Like the C-RAM, this too would have autonomous target tracking & identification. Like the ADATS, this would also have a ground engagement mode, either as direct fire, or as an area suppression weapon (employed the same way as a 40mm Nk 19 or 50 cal, but on a much larger scale)

Here's the mock up so far.

The radar is shown at its highest postion. It has another height half as low, and a travel / stowed position. The gun elevates from 0-80 degrees The 50mm Gatling...fellas, I'm torn. It looks "OK" in real life. Not great. In the photo, it has a decidedly WH40K feel; a look which I am not going for. It's a bit of a deal breaker for me at this point. I've got 3 options:

1. Leave it as is, it will all look better under a coat of primer
2. Rebuild the gatling gun from scratch to about 75% of its current size
3. Keep the gatling gun and adapt it and the radar to the Bandai M61A5 Semovente

Line-of-Sight Heavy Forward Missile Defence System (yeah, clunky name, the marketing boys are on vacation)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2918/14668985492_cba1de728b_b.jpg)


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: Gingie July 16, 2014, 10:49:17 PM
some other views...

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3839/14666404471_0aa0c1769a_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3855/14689511733_6bc7fa25a6_b.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3839/14667307884_36e1001472_b.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2911/14666404951_bee2182dc8_b.jpg)
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: Brian da Basher July 16, 2014, 11:25:13 PM
I really like this one, Gingie! Looks like one tough customer that really packs a punch!

Brian da Basher
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: Gingie July 16, 2014, 11:29:19 PM
Cheers Brian!

I've photoshopped some options for that Gatling gun. Still undecided.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2919/14689765333_a4a400802a_o.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5544/14667562424_32abf2d291_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2904/14483188610_836840f1d1_o.jpg)
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: Gingie July 16, 2014, 11:56:51 PM
Mailman just came by. Legend ADATS resin conversion .....no words...should have sent...a poet.
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: kitnut617 July 17, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
The 75% gun version looks more realistic Gingie
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: Gingie July 17, 2014, 12:46:32 AM
yeah, that's what I was afraid of! Hardest part will be drilling 6 even spaced holes in a disc to support the new thinner barrels.

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: GTX_Admin July 17, 2014, 03:53:08 AM
Honestly, if you are going for a realistic look, the 50mm Gatling concept doesn't really work for me.  I think anything above about 30 - 37mm is just too big.
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: Gingie July 17, 2014, 04:29:43 AM
yeah, I rebuilt the gun just now using tube and LAV roadwheel hubs. 8 barrels instead of 6. Measured the bbl opening, and it's 1mm, which is pretty much 35mm in 1/35th scale  ;)
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: GTX_Admin July 17, 2014, 04:42:30 AM
Makes sense.  IIRC, the 37mm gun of the T249 Vigilante was the biggest seriously considered:

(http://i52.tinypic.com/14bmf7o.jpg)
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: Jeffry Fontaine July 17, 2014, 05:43:32 AM
Graeme, the image Greg linked to showing the T249 Vigilante 37mm air defense weapons system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T249_Vigilante) armed with the Springfield Armory T250 37mm Gatling Gun (http://ww3.rediscov.com/spring/VFPCGI.exe?IDCFile=/spring/DETAILS.IDC,SPECIFIC=10839,DATABASE=55822406)is a good example of how your Gatling gun should be mounted.  The ammunition feed system was mounted on the left side of the turret and consisted of a large circular magazine that fed in towards the center where the rounds were transferred to the gun breech.  As you can see, the motor drive unit and the breech are hidden away in the mass of the turret.  This would give you the option to retain the longer gun barrels and shift the mass of the weapon further back to regain some balance.  It also solves the problem of where your ammunition magazine is located and how it would feed to your weapon. 

Check the T250 link to see the actual length of the weapon and how much of it is hidden away in the T249 Vigilante turret.  Looks like half the length of the weapon (the shiny metal part) in that one image. 

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: Gingie July 17, 2014, 09:08:31 AM
Cool, forgot about the T249 being 37mm!

I still want this thing to have presence, so I'm going to keep the length of the gun the same, maybe even make the motor longer. The ammo will be fed by chute (similar to GAU-8 etc) from the turret to the gun.

Pics to follow shortly.
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: Gingie July 17, 2014, 09:50:55 AM
Ya, the 35mm 8 barrel Gatling gun might be overkill...but its too much fun to leave out. Still a lot of details to be added, but, I think I can get it done without another trip back to the shelf of doom.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3886/14650302156_bb58b28cd0_o.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5567/14670107451_5ee6a76c56_o.jpg)

power conduits...neat bendy tubes:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3885/14486641549_76d00701a0_o.jpg)

Sequence showing radar elevation. Transport mode:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2912/14650301806_fe000214af_o.jpg)

halfway up, the mast pivots to the rear, the track / search radar mast pivots forward. German overengineering.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5588/14673302805_774720a910_o.jpg)

Achtung! Schpitfire Ausf II!! Besetzen die Flugabwehrgefechtsstationen!!
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3842/14486642019_49ce5504b9_o.jpg)
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: buzzbomb July 17, 2014, 09:53:43 AM
I thought wH40K when I saw the original pix.. it did look probiscus heavy.

Perhaps tribarrel at 50mm but the concept is working for me.

The foldy uppey layout looks terrific
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: ChernayaAkula July 17, 2014, 10:12:30 AM
Wicked!  >:D

What were the dark grey/black bits originally for?
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: Gingie July 17, 2014, 10:13:49 AM
Oh yeah, tri barrel, there's an idea for another project!

This one ended up with 8 barrels simply due to the fact there are 8 bolts on an AVGP wheel. I just drilled them out, working my way through 4 bits until I got to 3/32". 
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: Gingie July 17, 2014, 10:16:36 AM
The black parts are from a Kotobukia 72nd scale 'rifle' for a Gundam type robot. It's been chopped, reglued, chopped again, maybe 1/2 of it remains  :)

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10164023 (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10164023)
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: Jeffry Fontaine July 17, 2014, 11:02:14 AM
Cool, forgot about the T249 being 37mm!
If I am not mistaken, the T250 is still considered to be the largest Gatling gun weapon ever developed and that was based on the limitations of feeding ammunition to the gun.  A 50mm size weapon is certainly going to pack a lot of weight and the feed system for something that size would be interesting to see in real life.  A flexible ammunition chute is going to be a real nice feature and I look forward to what you come up with.  Though zip-ties are a nice solution for creating a suitable substitute in this case I fear they will be too small. 
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: Rickshaw July 17, 2014, 11:17:01 AM
Interesting.  Very interesting [he said while he stroked his beard]

I actually have something similar being planned, albeit a little different.  ;D
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: Gingie July 18, 2014, 12:24:12 AM
Oooh, I want to hear what you have planned Rickshaw!

I'm curious how this will look under a coat of primer. If all goes well, possibly by tonight. At any rate, I have a much clearer idea how to do the AD Version of my Bandai M61A5.

Not much left to do. Just trying to max out the use of the Leopard Turret parts on this one. Have to resist the temptation to "do" something with the big white areas on the turret. I think best case will be to leave them along and maybe show off a neat cam scheme (hexagons?) on that area.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3926/14490247267_ecd2248367_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2914/14490047879_cd4ae30ca6_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3846/14674360304_5db2b7cc72_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2923/14490071278_d4133d18aa_o.jpg)
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: Brian da Basher July 18, 2014, 04:16:51 AM
The gun is absolutely first-rate and fits like a charm!

All that detection gear really looks the business too.

I especially like the curved side hatch.

Brian da Basher
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: buzzbomb July 18, 2014, 06:41:19 AM
That really all works, it has the chunky, purposeful look

When tied together with the sensor array it has that futuristic "project" type feel.

Love it. Be great to see under paint.
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: Old Wombat July 18, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
Woh! :icon_surprised:

I wasn't sure how I was feeling about this build until I saw the last pic.

Man, it's awesome! :D

The sensor suite & its fold-away system are brilliant &, far from being over-engineered, are exactly right for safe stowage of those sensitive pieces of equipment whilst on the move.

I'm trying to figure out where I'd put cable cutters to prevent SpecOps, guerrillas, insurgents, etc. from ripping off the sensor suite with strategically placed wires, though.
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: Rickshaw July 18, 2014, 04:47:49 PM
Oooh, I want to hear what you have planned Rickshaw!

All that I am presently able to reveal about this top secret program is that it is the follow on from the T249 Vigilante...   ;)
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: taiidantomcat July 18, 2014, 09:09:42 PM
(http://images.ridemonkey.com/index.php?size=full&src=http%3A%2F%2Fgifrific.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F04%2Fkobe-bryant-judge.gif)

I hope this conveys my feelings
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: Zaskar24 July 18, 2014, 11:30:29 PM
That looks really good.  Everything came together nicely and looks like it belongs. 

I am really interested to see what you do with the Bandai M61A5 AD version as I just picked that kit up myself.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie July 19, 2014, 02:06:25 AM
Thanks fellas! :))

The Bandai kit fits together superbly! I'm thinking dual gatlings up front, and a large RWS behind the crew commander, like a Leopard 2A7. I haven't figured out sensors yet..maybe a short mast aft of the RWS.

Working on a heavy reconnaissance vehicle today....
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3852/14685285185_40f0bf7c1b_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3867/14498633849_9697268a29_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Jeffry Fontaine July 19, 2014, 02:09:13 AM
Working on a heavy reconnaissance vehicle today....
Where did you source that turret for this project?  Looks interesting.  A shame you can not moe the engine to the front to give you an access ramp/door at the rear of the hull. 
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: Gingie July 19, 2014, 04:41:35 AM
Jeff - Its the Pit Road JGSDF Type 89 IFV.

The Gepard hull was originally going to have the MGS 105mm turret, but I decided to put that on the Type 89 hull (which does have the front engine / rear dismounts). I envisioned a tracked MGS with deployable Infantry section as bridging the gap between tracked MBT and wheeled IFV.

So, its been a game of musical turrets!
Gepard turret on MGS hull
MGS gun on Type 89 hull
Type 89 turret on Gepard hull


: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Jeffry Fontaine July 19, 2014, 04:57:54 AM
Jeff - Its the Pit Road JGSDF Type 89 IFV.

The Gepard hull was originally going to have the MGS 105mm turret, but I decided to put that on the Type 89 hull (which does have the front engine / rear dismounts). I envisioned a tracked MGS with deployable Infantry section as bridging the gap between tracked MBT and wheeled IFV.

So, its been a game of musical turrets!
Gepard turret on MGS hull
MGS gun on Type 89 hull
Type 89 turret on Gepard hull
I thought the turret looked familiar.  I have the Trumpeter kit and it has two ATGM launchers (one for each side) on the turret.  Looking at your images again I realize now that you only had the one launcher mounted and the opposite side still has the location point for the launcher. 
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: Brian da Basher July 19, 2014, 07:31:08 AM
The added side armor really makes it for me!

That's one mean looking recon tank!

Brian da Basher
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: Gingie July 20, 2014, 08:51:57 AM
I put the recce tank aside for the day. I just wasn't feeling the mojo for it. Instead, I've bashed on with another Air Defence turret. This one is a but more futuristic, in that the weapons are meant to be some kind of electro-thermal pulsed energy deals.

Turret is based on the very old Tamiya Gepard (figure I might as well start chopping them up now before Meng gives a new tool one, heh heh)
I chopped the rear of the Gepard turret as it was too long for the LAV 10x10 its destined for. Even with the shorter turret, I still had to notch out a section for the radar mast to retract into

I raided the spare parts bin for the rest...M-113 Engine parts, Bradley sight, T-72 fuel drum for the E/O sight, Cougar episcopes, Stryker antennas..etc. The guns are from Kotobukiya for a Gundam robot I think. I'm not sure what they are 'meant' to be for the Gundam world, but I liked how they fitted with the Gepard.

The optical glass in the sight is a coated plastic that shifts from gold to red depending on the viewing angle. I'm going to put the same stuff in the three circular lenses on the E/O module after painting.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3854/14508210068_df2085f368_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5551/14508210239_accc7c0d9e_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5565/14694870435_3ea3b15c40_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3863/14508411657_bf26255422_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5596/14714733033_6d8fd7a5d2_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: taiidantomcat July 20, 2014, 09:34:33 AM
That turret is incredible  :-*
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Old Wombat July 20, 2014, 11:15:27 AM
Sweet! :D
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: Jeffry Fontaine July 20, 2014, 11:40:45 AM
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!  That is one hell of a wicked looking Gepard turret.  Definitely like the idea of your Gauss gun/Coil guns* (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coilgun) as the primary weapon.  The sensors suite is looking great too.  The shiny plastic you refer to with the gold to red color changes is something that I have encountered in the various crafts stores in this area.  Usually comes in assorted small shapes and sizes for a very small price. 


Graeme,

I meant to ask this before but forgot to post the question.  The cables on your previous project that connect to the bottom of the radar mast.  What was the original product?  It looks a bit like shoe laces but it had me wondering as I like the idea of armored cables to protect the wiring. 





*Wikipedia - List of Electromagnetic Projectile Devices in Fiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electromagnetic_projectile_devices_in_fiction)
*Wikipedia - Electromagnetic Rail Gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun)
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: Gingie July 20, 2014, 11:53:37 AM
Gauss gun.. gonna have to google that, but I love the sound of it!

I'll try and track down the product. It is a metal sheathed cable and behaves very much like a shoe lace. Just today I saw a black elastic cord, like the kind price tags are attached to clothing with, and thought that would make a good substitute. The product I've used has no strech and is not as flexible as a shoelace which does limit it somewhat.

ah wait..I'll just go through my HLJ order history and it will be there...

http://www.hlj.com/product/WAVOP-486 (http://www.hlj.com/product/WAVOP-486)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie July 20, 2014, 12:04:58 PM
OK, last one for the day.

This one from 9 months back:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7366/10043100694_3f7563f77c_b.jpg)

Got rescued a bit.  I kept getting hung up on where to place the driver and the turret ring. I was thinking along the lines of an XM800W. Then a brainwave hit me - what if I made it an Unmanned Ground Vehicle? No need to worry about a driver station. And areas that would otherwise be occupied by a crew commander and loader could now be filled with bigger/more weapons & ammo.

That idea re-energized me to bash on with the upper hull front. I've noticed on  vehicles like the MATV and MAXXPRO that the hoods have a curved (civilian?) look to them. I tried to do the same here by laminating .040, squaring it off, and then rounding the edges down.

So, this will have a large RWS, some sensors, a few antennas, and lot of cameras. Thinking hybrid power too,so it can really stand on silent watch with zero noise signature and minimal thermal sig.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2915/14692726341_1f3c73e01d_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2899/14509252678_b4521f2e06_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3846/14692725951_bda876c81d_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Old Wombat July 20, 2014, 12:39:26 PM
Ni-ice! :D
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: ChernayaAkula July 20, 2014, 01:46:09 PM
Love the modified Gepard turret.  :-* Especially with the "sci-fi" armament pods.
It's really cool to see a tracked/wheeled vehicle with Gundam-style weapons. There are so many illustrations of mechs sporting contemporary armament like Hellfires, FFAR pods, Bushmaster cannons, Miniguns and whatnot, that it's cool to see this reversed, with Gundam weaponry on contemporary base vehicles.

The black parts are from a Kotobukia 72nd scale 'rifle' for a Gundam type robot. It's been chopped, reglued, chopped again, maybe 1/2 of it remains  :)

[url]http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10164023[/url] ([url]http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10164023[/url])


Thanks for the heads-up!  :) Cool idea to use Gundam parts. Some of those kits are dirt-cheap and offer lots of interesting parts that can be put to good use on whifs.
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: Gingie July 21, 2014, 12:08:58 AM
yes, the gundam stuff has opened things up for me for sure! Some of the detail is a bit clunky, but the parts fit quite well and many of the weapon kits are interchangeable. I easily spent double the time doing mock-ups than actually building. Its been a while since I scratch built anything, so kit bashing with the gundams was good way to ease back into it.

Here it is mounted on the 10x10:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3876/14513178270_05fe9e4209_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5581/14719735323_0be22d2cac_o.jpg)

Group photo:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5556/14696686851_28857af616_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: GTX_Admin July 21, 2014, 02:37:14 AM
the weapons are meant to be some kind of electro-thermal pulsed energy deals.



Alternately, they could be rail guns (similar to the Gauss gun in concept) with the propelling rails (and their attendant cooling) going all the way to the muzzle - hence the look.  Rail guns have been in development for some time and are getting close to introduction too (http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=80055).  The stretched vehicle could hold the requisite power generation for either weapon.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie July 21, 2014, 02:56:38 AM
For the Gatling gun, I think that large section after the gun breech could be some kind of power generating/storing/delivery system. So the bullets are still kinetic, they just don't use chemical energy to propel them. And at 30km/s, they would not need much lead angle to hit a crossing target!

Primer is on..what a difference. I love this step, its the real make it or break it point to see if everything is tied together design-wise. My first time using tamiya spray primer. I really like the stuff! A few PSR bits here & there before painting.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3901/14514758478_3134b2df2d_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3886/14699018394_7e83256983_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2927/14514758058_0b19093e50_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2912/14514755789_6ac61b9316_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie July 21, 2014, 03:09:36 AM
And the LAV 10x10 gets a shot of primer too:
(ps the E/O module is juts blu-tacked on...I will glue it on straight)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5556/14699167824_3ddd77820c_o.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5489/14699167014_deb7d2aa59_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3891/14515120357_2549f4da04_o.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2935/14514881830_232e5c76e3_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: buzzbomb July 21, 2014, 06:52:51 AM
I have nothing worthwhile to say... this is just astounding  :o :o :o

Great work, great vision.. just great!!!!

: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Rickshaw July 21, 2014, 08:33:00 AM
I like the 10x10 chassis.  Something I've also been thinking about for some time.  Damn, I must extract digit it seems.  ;D
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: ChernayaAkula July 21, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
Just... damn!  :icon_surprised: They looked cool in all their multi-colour kit-bashed glory, but with that primer applied, they look like they came that way straight from the box! As if they were never meant to be anything but this!  :)

Just edit in some Pit-Road/Tamiya/Trumpeter watermark, fake serial #, a "Coming soon..." slogan and "leak" it on Facebook!  >:D And watch the crowd go wild!  ;D

Any idea regarding operators and camouflages yet? I think they'd look the part in JGSDF camo and with a Kaiju/Godzilla Defence Force patch on the turret sides.... :P
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Queeg July 21, 2014, 04:26:52 PM
Daum !!! FAB stuff.  In the grey primer and with the quality of the images they look like pro company 3D renderings of the lastest "soon to be released" kits .....

Brent
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Rickshaw July 21, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
Gingie, as an alternative source of Gundam type weapons, you might want to have a look at Shapeways.  Many Gundam enthusiasts print alternative weapons.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: taiidantomcat July 21, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
Daum !!! FAB stuff.  In the grey primer and with the quality of the images they look like pro company 3D renderings of the lastest "soon to be released" kits .....

Brent

I was thinking the same thing. So smooth, it looks CGI. Helluva a compliment to that primer-- I need to get some now  :o
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Volkodav July 21, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
I'm not worthy!  Top job, can't believe how smooth you got it under the primer.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: LemonJello July 21, 2014, 08:53:44 PM
All of these builds are amazing and inspiring, pure genius executed at such a high level of workmanship!
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Old Wombat July 21, 2014, 11:50:35 PM
Great builds, Gingie! 8)

I love Tamiya grey primer, too. It can, sometimes, come out a little glossy & it can be a touch difficult to hairy-stick paint (adhesion issues on the glossy surface) but rattle-can paints & airbrushing (which I've seen done by others) adhere well & look really good.

Do you have a shot of them side-by-side in primer? ???
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie July 22, 2014, 09:04:17 AM
Wow, thanks fellas!  :D

Yes, the primer does give it a CGI look! I should have known better, but this stuff really needs to be sprayed outside. I've been coughing for a day now since I sprayed it in the basement.

Here's a pic of them together and primed:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2902/14526491059_7b3bbc3e81_o.jpg)

And I almost hate to do this, because I think it looks so much better on the Leo than the LAV...

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3848/14526469520_f4c0f7c8fc_o.jpg)

If I did that, it would leave me with a spare Gatling turret... too big for the Dana. Maybe a HEMMT? hahah, Die good idea fairy, die die!!

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5595/14710762754_ffb78b79e4_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Rickshaw July 22, 2014, 10:15:15 AM
How does the gun turret look on the LAV hull?
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Old Wombat July 22, 2014, 09:54:25 PM
Thanks, Gingie! :)

The rail gun turret on the Leo does look good but I think the Gatling looks better. :D



Here's me playing Devil's Advocate: >:D

What if you widened the Stryker hull to match the width of the Leo? ???
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie July 23, 2014, 01:18:58 AM
What if you widened the Stryker hull to match the width of the Leo? ???

Die good idea fairy! Die, die!!!!

 :D

lets just say there's enough LAV's where this one came from that I don't need to worry about modifying these particular ones any further.

: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Queeg July 23, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
Yes, the primer does give it a CGI look! I should have known better, but this stuff really needs to be sprayed outside. I've been coughing for a day now since I sprayed it in the basement.

........... Maybe a HEMMT? ...........


As for the spraying indoors, my OSH alarms are always going off when I grind and sand resin without a mask, I'm always in too much of a hurry to faf about finding one.

BTW The crowd demands a HEMMT conversion ........  8)

Brent
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: apophenia July 24, 2014, 05:51:03 AM
Wonderful! My vote is for the rail gun turret on the Leopard and gatling on the HEMMT. But then what to do with the LAV 10x10 ??
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: buzzbomb July 24, 2014, 06:30:00 AM
But then what to do with the LAV 10x10 ??


MLRS of course  ;)

Or scaleorama it back to 1/48 for an amphibious APC from Command and Conquer
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060812095504/cnc/images/c/cb/Amphibious_APC_01.jpg (http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060812095504/cnc/images/c/cb/Amphibious_APC_01.jpg)

Graeme.. just terrific work. It just proves that with the right design stuff just looks right on other platforms.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie July 24, 2014, 11:24:00 PM
There is an MLRS in my future...my kids left the tops off all of their 30+ markers. What a co-incidence they scale out to realistically sized 35th rocket tubes. Add to that a buddy who used his MLRS hull as a transporter and now has a spare launch system....

: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Brian da Basher July 26, 2014, 07:28:12 AM
Gingie, your stuff is more fun than cable TV!

I really, really like that huge turret on that long missile truck!

Brian da Basher
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie September 23, 2014, 10:37:05 AM
A few quick updates:

After 4 years (!) since being built & painted, I finally tried out the hairspray technique on my LAV-TUA. My first time trying this, and it was quite fun! The downside of the fun part is its reallllly easy to get carried away. This will definitely not be my last model I try this out on:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3835/15140387719_7e82dd53f8_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5563/15327146955_c7ba54cd8d_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5571/15323975291_1f2a34ee32_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5560/15327148865_a93f752062_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie September 23, 2014, 10:41:10 AM
Next up, some vintage Canadian 3-tone cam for the 10x10. My airbrush woes started with this kit...after 3 hours of fighting my airbrush, I was able to diagnose it as having a failed needle bearing. Once I figured out that, it was a pretty easy fix and I could get back to spraying. Except...there was a problem with my compressor, and it allowed oil into the air hose. Compressor oil and Tamiya paint do not play well together, hence a few shiny bits here & there. Though I'm fairly certain the weathering process will take care of that.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3858/15327147605_abaa051c10_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5567/15140599287_193695d3a4_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie September 23, 2014, 10:47:12 AM
last update is the Gatling tank. Again, the airbrush fought me. This was originally painted desert tan, but it looked too plain, so I painted it NATO-3 tone, but using 3 shades of brown. It looked awful. Decided to repaint it in olive drab...ran out of paint before it was done. Grabbed my remaining bottle of OD, and...it was a different colour. Repaint again. Decide that like the all-over tan, plain green was too boring. So I cut up loads of masking tape and carefully masked out a splinter cam scheme. Mixed up some new green and sprayed it on. Pulled off the masking tape, and realized I'd sprayed basically the same green again! hahah! Finally, and this is what is pictured, I mixed up some black green and soft-edged the hard edge cammo, and then some really light green and repainted to the OD for better contrast.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5578/15323973261_21ee3d790c_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5589/15326824252_46bbc3f0cf_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5553/15327149255_b6b2e9b065_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Logan Hartke September 23, 2014, 11:19:36 AM
Those camos look fantastic! Well done!

Cheers,

Logan
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Brian da Basher September 24, 2014, 07:08:01 AM
You really overcame those challenges and ended up with a winning paint scheme!

Outstanding!

Brian da Basher
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Old Wombat September 27, 2014, 11:18:05 PM
Great build, fantastic finish! 8)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie October 25, 2014, 09:00:34 AM
Got some decals on and a bit more weathering than I intended:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3937/14999313073_cc6487952e_o.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5610/15433470537_765e4b80b3_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3952/14998716254_b35d08983a_o.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5609/15433885770_7f0bd32e5c_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie October 25, 2014, 09:02:50 AM
Also mucked this one up too:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3947/14998714854_652837aed2_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3948/15616801891_8b1bbce490_o.jpg)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3934/15433472457_ab8d47f56c_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Brian da Basher October 25, 2014, 11:03:58 PM
Your weathering is very well done and I especially like your work on the tires which seems incredibly realistic!

Brian da Basher
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: kitnut617 October 26, 2014, 12:06:13 AM
I have to second BdB's comments ---   :)

The mud accumulation in the wheel wells, look remarkable. I see it like that on my truck after it rains as we have to drive a few miles on gravel roads where I live before we get to some paved roads ---
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: GTX_Admin October 26, 2014, 03:59:43 AM
I really like the way you have done the optics on both. 
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: GTX_Admin October 26, 2014, 04:07:07 AM

([url]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3934/15433472457_ab8d47f56c_o.jpg[/url])


Looking at this one makes me wonder about a BTR equivalent.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: buzzbomb October 26, 2014, 05:59:28 PM
Echo all the above.
I like the way this turned out. The finish is mighty fine and the build terrfic.
I particularly like the balance and "real worldliness" of the modifications
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: LemonJello October 26, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
SUPERB! The weathering looks so realistic. What did you do for the optics? They look awesome.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie October 26, 2014, 10:21:18 PM
Cheers fellas!

The colour-shift optics are a product from AFV Club, similar to this:
(http://www.hobbyfan.com.tw/images/propic/20110908002_2.jpg)
They have a sticky backing which makes them easy to apply. I had to use a P&D set to get the round ones.

The lenses (blue, purple, silver) are sticky acrylic dots from the Sticko. They seems to be getting hard to find these days. I got mine at Michael's craft store.

The mud is Liquitex textured acrylic gel mixed with shavings from a rembrandt pastel chalk. The darker mud is the same mix, but with some tamiya smoke & tamiya clear added.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Old Wombat October 29, 2014, 02:23:43 PM
Mucked up where? ???

All I'm seeing are 2 big, hard-working brutes who haven't had time for a shower recently.

Good builds, Gingie! :)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie November 23, 2014, 03:45:51 AM
Rolling on with some more LAV's. This time, its not a Whif...well, not exactly. I'm making one of the two prototype Javelin Air Defence Special Equipment Vehicles (AD SEV) that were trialled by 18 Air Defence Regt RCA in April 2002. We had a naming contest at the Regt, Wolverine was  the #2 choice. Prairie Chicken was #1. I'm going to go with #2.

So where is the what-if? I'm going to model the Wolverine as if it was put into service. Maybe some add-on armour, some desert cam, and some updated stowage solutions.

The real thing:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7469/15667549497_62c79d2b55_o.jpg)

And after some chopping, sanding, and p-card:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8568/15667549017_51efccbeb9_o.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8623/15665802518_72a5a9fd0c_o.jpg) 
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: GTX_Admin November 23, 2014, 03:49:13 AM
Looking forward to seeing your Javelin missile mount - would be cool to have a copy…hint, hint.. ;)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Jeffry Fontaine November 23, 2014, 04:28:12 AM
With all of that flat area on the new box top it would be perfect for a Vertical Launch Javelin :)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie November 23, 2014, 04:43:42 AM
Sorry to disappoint - I won't be doing the missile mount...mainly because there wasn't any! It was a great failing of this design to not have the 3-missile LML (lightweight multiple launcer) integrated to the design. The gunner could only shoulder fire the S-15 from this vehicle, so, it will be 'hatches down'.

For the spare AVGP upper and ASLAV-PC lower, I want to make a Recce vehicle similar to a design I was sure I saw here. It was called the Ferret, and basically took the 6x6 axles and spaced them evenly across a slightly shorter lower hull.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Old Wombat November 23, 2014, 09:03:28 AM
You now have the opportunity to improve on reality & whif a launcher onto it! ;)

Good to see some more armour happening! Go, Gingie!! :)

I think you missed an opportunity here, though, lad. I really think you should have gone with Prairie Chicken! ;D
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: apophenia November 24, 2014, 06:30:09 AM
Graeme,

Love the idea of an in-service Wolverine!

I did a pair of Ferret 6x6 AVGP Recces for Litvak's AltCan series which were designated C19.

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg8125#msg8125 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg8125#msg8125)

There were also the simpler, 4x4 C19A1 and C19A3 Bobcats -- also for AltCan.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie November 24, 2014, 08:16:21 AM
Yes!! Those are exactly the ones I was thinking of. I'm going to make one with the left overs of the Wolverine. I hope you don't mind me posting an image of your creation here?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7538/15676466440_00c41e3649_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie November 24, 2014, 08:23:52 AM
I'll probably go with the 1m turret version on the right. Here the lower ASLAV 8x8 hull has had the 2nd axle section removed (about 31mm). The upper AVGP hull has had a 20mm section removed from behind the turret.

You may be wondering why not just make 1 cut, and remove 20mm from the rear. The reason is that the rear upper hull has a beveled edge to fit the rear hull, plus the angle of the hull plate needs to match the lower. Its actually easier to make 2 vertical cuts.

The C-19 will have add-on armour, so I am not fussed about the largish gaps that will need filling, as I can manipulate the AoA panels to cover the seams. Overall, its not much shorter than a standard AVGP, but I think the result will be pretty noticeable.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7553/15677777989_d21b830e68_o.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7540/15676450850_b58ae653e9_o.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7506/15241506954_9aa9ff5961_o.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8649/15676271098_f21e3618c1_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: buzzbomb November 25, 2014, 06:38:09 AM
some nice goodies here to look forward to
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: apophenia November 29, 2014, 11:40:55 AM
Looking forward to this! My C19 Ferret had steerable rear wheels. Easy to Photoshop but your's is a better modelling solution  ;)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie November 30, 2014, 02:03:07 AM
Ah, I wondered why you had done the rear suspension that way! I figure with the short wheelbase, 4W steering would not be *that* much of an advantage (and I've already made the cuts, lol)

Thinking of a M1117 turret too. Maybe a Fennek mast.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 02, 2014, 11:30:48 AM
Happy coincidence moment: M-163 turret fits the hull turret ring pretty much exactly. The turret is surplus, and I happen to have a Mach'bet conversion sitting around....
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie December 25, 2014, 05:55:13 AM
small updates before all the fragile stuff goes on...mirrors, lights, antenna, grab handles, hatch handles, tie downs...there's a lot!


(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7463/15910298028_dba3be6c5f_o.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8612/16095820291_52beedbca7_o.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7554/16071942726_10eaa3a940_o.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7528/15910444220_8a777ef954_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: apophenia January 04, 2015, 05:51:34 AM
Nice work on the Wolverine  :)  Any updates?
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Claymore January 04, 2015, 05:06:24 PM
As always, very nice work indeed.  :)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie May 08, 2015, 05:25:50 AM
shameless self promotion time - the Centurion Twin Forty build will appear in Tamiya's Model Military International #111. Kudos to them for doing a Beyond-The-Sprues article!
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: buzzbomb May 08, 2015, 05:28:39 PM
Fantastic news.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: GTX_Admin May 09, 2015, 04:39:25 AM
shameless self promotion time - the Centurion Twin Forty build will appear in Tamiya's Model Military International #111. Kudos to them for doing a Beyond-The-Sprues article!

Which one was this?
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie May 09, 2015, 06:07:00 AM
I thought it was in this thread at one point... anyhoo, it will be 4-6 pages:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5453/17408334696_1137c02289_o.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: GTX_Admin May 09, 2015, 06:23:32 AM
Will be on the look out for.  Well done.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: arkon May 09, 2015, 06:56:23 AM
Nice!👍
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: 35th-scale May 09, 2015, 07:41:28 AM
Cool!
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Old Wombat May 09, 2015, 07:46:45 AM
OK, Gingie, I think you've been holding out on us! >:D

I see 2 unfinished AFV's & a pic of a great build that didn't appear in this thread! :o


Nice job getting the article in the mag, I'll be looking for it, too. :)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: apophenia May 09, 2015, 09:46:34 AM
Well done!
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie May 10, 2015, 01:44:01 AM
Cheers gang!

Here what the Ferret is slowly morphing in to. The stabilizer jacks might be a give-away to its future role. The upper is a shortened AVGP Grizzly, which the lower, although 6x6, is originally from a 8x8 LAV-25, with the second axle deleted and a segment removed from the hull. It's actually shorter that a regular AVGP 6x6 now.
(http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7767/17271649880_865017f031_o.jpg)
(http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5334/16838977563_fd695c75b0_o.jpg)
(http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8808/17457226722_26c2618516_o.jpg)
(http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5449/17459253495_488d46db1c_o.jpg)
(http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7759/17433245116_7fd628a853_b.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie May 10, 2015, 01:56:31 AM
and a quick update on Javelin SEV...
(http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5334/17271456688_09d50d538e_b.jpg)

Some Italeri and Academy parts were involved in backdating the ASLAV-PC to Canadian "Bison" era:
(http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7700/17459234185_e166e6bf1c_b.jpg)

There were damn fiddly...I would recommend making the brush guard out of copper wire for anyone trying this kit:

(http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8712/17271632620_6256ebabe7_b.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: apophenia May 10, 2015, 05:14:54 AM
Very nice! I love where the Ferret is going  :)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie May 11, 2015, 12:46:54 AM
I want to build this with one of the AVGP lower hulls as a base, full scratchbuilt upper. Some kind of a PA vehicle...

(http://little-wheels.co.uk/full/7253e.JPG)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: apophenia May 11, 2015, 06:44:56 AM
Interesting. So, engine moved forward (and centred) but otherwise an AVGP lower hull?
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Rickshaw May 11, 2015, 08:57:56 AM
Interesting base plate on the side of the Ferret.  Mmm, it's too big and square to be a mortar's.  Mmm, a MANPADS system?  RBS-70?
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie May 11, 2015, 08:59:16 AM
Yep, front end would have to be shaved back to the steering linkage, and I'd have to lower the beltline a few mm.
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie May 11, 2015, 09:02:39 AM
Rickshaw...its actually being used for it's intended purpose :-) to provide better stability on marginal terrain. Ripped off from this:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/35/6f/35/356f359bd86c1ebee7e1c74d53a4c6f1.jpg)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Rickshaw May 12, 2015, 08:46:45 AM
Interesting.  So you have two of the baseplates, one each side of the vehicle?  I hadn't considered such a device would be necessary but I suppose in general European mud it might be!
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: kitnut617 May 12, 2015, 07:59:23 PM
Interesting.  So you have two of the baseplates, one each side of the vehicle?  I hadn't considered such a device would be necessary but I suppose in general European mud it might be!

I would say they would work just as well on soft sand ----  at least when the oil drilling guys use the ones I designed for a rig they did --
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: Gingie May 13, 2015, 02:41:27 AM
Interesting.  So you have two of the baseplates, one each side of the vehicle?  I hadn't considered such a device would be necessary but I suppose in general European mud it might be!

Yep! One on each side. I wish I had 2 more to satisfy my OCD :-)
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie May 29, 2015, 07:47:22 AM
I'm using my Puma as a test-bed for a new (to me) technique. It involves using physical therapy putty to mask the demarcation lines on camouflage. In theory, very similar to blu-tack or silly putty, except the "theraputty" is far more malleable.

Here's some point's I've jotted down while using it at a club build night and later on my second attempt using the Puma:

- The tan / pink putty is very malleable. I found it a little too runny and mixed it around 50:50 with silly putty (which I find a little on the firm side). This got it to a consistency I liked. I have not tried the yellow putty yet, but I suspect it might be good to go right out of the tub

- The subject was fairly complex, a LAV-TUA. This had numerous indents and 'crevasses' which would be a challenge with regular firm bluetack

- I wanted to try a 3-tone approximation of a NATO inspired pattern. I was able to get this done in around 2 hours. That is about 6 hours less than when I free hand. However, BIG however, I did rush the laying down of the putty. I expect if you really wanted to duplicated a NATO 3-tone, that the application of the putty would take much, much longer

- with that point above in mind, the putty is well suited for broad band cammo schemes. Think 1970's Canadian 3-tone, or Danish or UK Army BAOR Green & black hard edge. It would also be good for aircraft, where they have much smoother / flatter surfaces than AFV.

- the putty can be teased into a very fine point. This gave me the idea that it could be used for 4-colour USA MERDC pattern, especially the hard-edged black and tan shadow & highlight aspect of the scheme. One could even do those small areas in hard edge using putty, and then the main 2-colours using a soft edge transition.

- putty is rolled into sausages about 1/8-1/4" diameter. The narrower you go, the more intricate the cammo pattern

- have a pair of scissors to cut the sausages with, they work better than pulling it apart, which can create fine strings (pulling gently creates fine threads, pulling sharply seems to 'shock' the putty and its snaps off)

- best way to remove it after painting is to 'dab' the putty blobs back on to itself. Go easy, as it can (and did) pull off a PE screen when I got to vigorous with the removal

- remember to fully mask the area, as the extra time spent doing this will be saved when you don't have to touch up overspray

- that's about all I can think of for now. Like all new techniques, it going to take some time to get it right. My results were not as good as I could have done free hand, but, it shows enough promise that I will for sure use this in the future, it is much easier than using masking tape.

Short follow up: I opened the mixed tub of tan theraputty and the silly putty, and they have completely separated. The thicker silly putty formed a layer on top of the thereaputty (less dense I guess). They really do behave like fluids.

And another follow up: Last night I used the yellow putty to mask a 3-tone scheme to mimic that used by Canada in the 70-80’s. I adapted a pattern used on the M-109. The putty is much better suited to the gentle flowing bands of this style.

I used the technique of thin sausages as borders and then I pressed the putty flat into sheets to mask the middle of the colour I wanted to preserve. I would not recommend doing this:

 - it uses a lot of putty and makes the model heavier and more awkward to handle whilst painting
 - the ‘sheet’ putty bonds with the ‘edge’ putty, and once you have 2 colours masked off, this creates a significant sticking force to the model; I pulled off one PE screen, a mirror, and a grab handle when I removed the putty

Instead, I would go with sausages for the borders, and fill the middle area with paper (not tape – I think). Paper should be able to bond well enough with the putty to stop any overspray

As with any mask, use as light a coat of paint as possible, or you will create a built-up paint ridge at the border.

I found that rolling a small ball of the putty, after removing, and dabbing it along the edges of the camo border helped push the colour back down (lower the ridge) and removed a very slight sheen.

Lastly, I believe this masking needs to be done in a single paint session. The reason is that it is still a fluid and the mask, if left for a few hours, will start to ‘flow’ down the model. That being said, I was able to fully mask and paint a German Puma AFV with 3 – colours in 3 hours.

(http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7744/18185856206_df7c0a47e6_b.jpg)
(http://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7798/18185856976_39e5b38414_b.jpg)

Happy modeling!

Graeme
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: Rickshaw May 29, 2015, 08:38:46 AM
Do you usually paint the tracks at the same time as every thing else?   I invariably put the tracks on last, after I've painted everything and after I've painted the tracks.  I then weather everything, in one hit.
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: Gingie May 29, 2015, 10:41:48 AM
I always try to put the tracks on last, but with this one, the way the sides hang over, I think I had to install them. I've left off the outer road wheels to mak track painting / weathering easier.
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: buzzbomb May 30, 2015, 06:54:39 AM
The result looks to be worthwhile
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: apophenia May 30, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
Nice masking technique  :)
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: Frank3k May 31, 2015, 02:16:19 AM
That's a great technique. Maybe you can post it in the Tips Tools and Techniques section as well? http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?board=7.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?board=7.0)


Amazon has Therapy putty. This vendor has four colors: http://www.amazon.com/Therapy-Putty-Resistive-Theraputty-strengths/dp/B001ANL5BY/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1433009401&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Therapy-Putty-Resistive-Theraputty-strengths/dp/B001ANL5BY/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1433009401&sr=1-1)
: The Modelling Hiatus
: Gingie August 13, 2015, 08:15:47 AM
SWMBO has green lit a basement project, so the entire hobby room (and much more) has been stowed away in preparation for this long DIY. Finished space will have a rec room with TV and model room / home office with counter and cabinets, and a 3-pc bathroom. Can't afford to pay sub-contractors, so I'll be doing much of the work myself.

Phase 1:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5633/20524850055_5b782527ba_o.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5704/20498590606_cef1a484bf_o.jpg)
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: Old Wombat August 13, 2015, 09:27:08 AM
You're a better man than I am, Gunga-Din! :icon_surprised:
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: Steve Blazo August 13, 2015, 12:30:14 PM
Different kind of build !! ;D  Good luck !!
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: finsrin August 13, 2015, 03:00:32 PM
This kinda thing takes me a long time.  Is doable.
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: GTX_Admin August 14, 2015, 02:04:55 AM
This kinda thing takes me a long time.  Is doable.

The man speaks from experience!
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: kerick August 14, 2015, 11:41:18 AM
Much too clean! More time building and less time sweeping! 8)
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: kitnut617 August 14, 2015, 06:00:32 PM
Interesting to see steel beams supporting the floor above
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: The Big Gimper August 14, 2015, 06:42:32 PM
Secret access point to known only to you Graeme to sneak in more kits?
False walls to hide the extra stash ?
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: LemonJello August 14, 2015, 08:16:11 PM
Secret access point to known only to you Graeme to sneak in more kits?
False walls to hide the extra stash ?

Both of these are "Must-haves" if I were doing a remodel. 
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: Gingie August 14, 2015, 09:12:46 PM
Funny, the first thing my 8 year old daughter asks me: "Will there be secret passage ways like on Scooby-Do?!"

At this point, the stash is so big, actually hiding it is futile. I do have a large array of 110 lire totes, which I claim "oh, there's only a couple kits in there" and I show my wife the totes with the 2 x 1/25 Centurions, or the 72nd 707 and DC 4. She doesn't get to see the tote with single-engine 72nd props...

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: GTX_Admin August 15, 2015, 03:39:16 AM
I do have a large array of 110 lire totes, which I claim "oh, there's only a couple kits in there"

You too? ;)
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: The Big Gimper August 15, 2015, 04:46:05 AM
I do have a large array of 110 lire totes, which I claim "oh, there's only a couple kits in there"

You too? ;)

I standardized on the 49L units for kits. Along with some smaller 25L units for smaller upgrades, conversion kits and decals.
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: arkon August 15, 2015, 07:23:52 AM
If your daughter wants false walls and hidden doors, you better build them now before she rats you out.😄
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: Rickshaw August 15, 2015, 09:00:17 AM
As I am moving I've had to pack the stash into 100 litre totes.  I have 11, not including some cardboard boxes which contain other kits.  I will take some photos and show you it, once I start unpacking....
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: Gingie August 15, 2015, 10:53:51 AM
Well, it's not a model, but there is assembly required...

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/720/20395576370_139004abd7_o.jpg)
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: kerick August 15, 2015, 11:05:08 AM
Looks like you bought a table saw. Nice.
This way you can cut your own lumber for display bases!
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: Gingie August 16, 2015, 02:13:08 AM
Friendly forces are massing in the Assembly Area...

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/673/19979519093_1139097b18_o.jpg)
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: Gingie August 16, 2015, 02:47:59 AM
My last basement was in Edmonton, it was a very steep learning curve! This one will be more straightforward, but its been 8-9 years since I did one, I've forgotten a lot, and my body is definitely feeling the work now that I'm older. Here's some pics of how that last project turned out:

Model Room / PC room (I ran 4 x large PC cooling fans in the bottom corner cabinet to keep temperature and noise down). Som Ikea cabinets and metal magnetic boards were used too:
(http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/7/3/a/165453/w01-0.jpg)
(http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/7/3/a/165453/w02-0.jpg)
(http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/7/3/a/165453/w03-0.jpg)
(http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/7/3/a/165453/w04-0.jpg)

Home Theatre area:
(http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/7/3/a/165453/dscn0243a-0.jpg)

The "before" photos:
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/692/20414261579_29314e9d64_o.jpg)

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5714/19978219414_b5932039f9_o.jpg)

Model Room layout:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5773/20412793948_55b7cc94a6_o.jpg)

Tiered-Ceiling in progress...no *way* I am doing that again!!!
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/745/20574546086_928c502ee0_o.jpg)

Getting there:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5678/20414250429_8549c0d0fb_o.jpg)

Model Room progress:
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/766/20414438999_b7a3346588_o.jpg)

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/716/19980252493_6a403458e2_o.jpg)

I ran speaker wire in the walls for 7.1 surround sound:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5619/19980262373_405dd6b738_c.jpg)

How I learned to hate MDF and painting white. I made 2 of these, a classic example of mission creep: They were supposed to be a simple shelf to hold the mid left & med right speakers, but morphed into what you see below:
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/743/20592122652_20187841ff_c.jpg)

Unfortunately, this project had a bit of a sad ending. Only 2 weeks after it was finally complete (4 years on & off), I received a posting message from the Army!
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: The Big Gimper August 16, 2015, 03:10:40 AM
Graeme: You do know that the Forces monitors all credit based financial transactions between military personnel and home renovation, hardware, DIY, Ikea etc like entities. After your purchases with said entities drops off more or less to zero for 2+ weeks, that triggers a posting alert at HQ and guess what?  :-X

I recommend cash only at this time. Dead drops or the black market.  :o

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: Gingie August 16, 2015, 05:49:35 AM
It does seem that way!

I've let the chain of command know I really, really, do not want to be posted. Problem is I have no "plan B" if they do decide to relocate me :o
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: kerick August 16, 2015, 10:27:51 AM
You do excellent work!
You will get posted when someone at the new house wants it remodeled.
BTW there is a couple little things around my house...........
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: Volkodav August 16, 2015, 06:31:42 PM
I was looking at the photos and envying you until I read the last line.  I have an idea how you are feeling though, we still have unpacked boxes from our last move from a five bedroom two very large living areas and shed, to a four bedroom one medium living area place and it wasn't even my transfer but my wifes.
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: Gingie August 18, 2015, 03:46:39 AM
Well, the main reason behind this project is we also downsized houses...and added 2 kids! I was getting tired of tripping over toys, and cleaning up after them was like shovelling the driveway during a snowstorm. Daddy needed a place he could call his own (though T'm not confident how long that will last, ahah!)
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: GTX_Admin August 19, 2015, 02:19:57 AM
Every man needs one...

(http://www.pyrblu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/T_mancave1964.png)
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: buzzbomb August 19, 2015, 11:06:16 AM
great work on the build area. some nice clean lines there.
But that ceiling work is exceptional, great DIY finis
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: Gingie September 01, 2015, 07:47:40 AM
well.. the ceiling in the main room used 5 gallons of mud alone! I would recommend using steel studs if anyone wants to try that. The wood studs warped and so tons of plaster was needed to create a level edge.
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: Gingie January 30, 2017, 04:02:41 AM
so, this has taken a lot longer than planned. Changing  jobs and other real life stuff abounds, but I'm finally ready for sheetrock. I'm subbing this out to the pros. Once its primed, the rest (doors, trim, fixtures, floor, window frames, cabinets, stairs) is up to me.

(http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/608/32472228001_248160449c_k.jpg)

I may be ready to build in summer. Here's a scratch built TUA turret from a few years ago to keep it model related.

(http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/771/31761701173_50ae11cea8_b.jpg)
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: Crbad January 30, 2017, 07:00:02 AM
Cool TUA turret. Something like that would look really nice on the new Fv432 that's coming out.
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: Old Wombat January 30, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
([url]http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/771/31761701173_50ae11cea8_b.jpg[/url])


Woh! :icon_surprised:

Nice! :D
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: tankmodeler February 08, 2017, 05:35:38 AM
so, this has taken a lot longer than planned. Changing  jobs and other real life stuff abounds, but I'm finally ready for sheetrock. I'm subbing this out to the pros. Once its primed, the rest (doors, trim, fixtures, floor, window frames, cabinets, stairs) is up to me.
I'm in much the same place. But I'm doing the main floor as well with a totally new kitchen. Took out a load bearing wall, steel beams, the whole 9 yards.

Basement is insulated and studded, sheet rock after the main floor done then, and only then do I get my shop back.  :-\

Still, new shop and models back underway by the end of the summer, with some luck.

Paul
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: Gingie February 12, 2017, 06:08:14 AM
Yoikes Paul! Luckily the only wall I moved was non-load bearing. Its gradually coming together...I've flipped the breakers back on and tested all the outlets. All is good there. The bad news - the zip cutter nicked some in-wall speaker wire (which I repaired) and my Cat5e cable...which I think I can splice together, with the help of an optivisor and a steady hand.

The low provide LED are in, and I love em. They are only as thick as a sheet of drywall, so I was free to sight them pretty much where I wanted. Only drawing 9 watts, they provide loads of light. So much so, that I installed a compatible dimmer switch for the eight that light up the main area here.

(http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/399/32804367176_4e7f5593c1_b.jpg)
(http://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3765/32030559913_b8e6a787fe_b.jpg)

Under the stairs is a nook for my youngest daughter to hand out and read. I had a couple left over lights and re-did the ceiling in here so her light would be parallel to the floor. It too is on a dimmer as even one light is quite bright.
(http://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2098/32804366226_3e8c8a2952_b.jpg)

The water meter and sump are at the bottom of the basement stairs, and there was no point in finishing the area around them. But, it was too big an area to let go to waste, so I slammed together a work table that will sit behind a double door. Added an outlet and light/switch in case I decide to upgrade its purpose. I think I may use it for homebrew supplies as my current system of rummaging through large plastic totes is grating on me.
(http://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2294/32030559493_4b3e25f0e4_b.jpg)
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: GTX_Admin February 12, 2017, 06:19:47 AM
Looking good.
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: Old Wombat February 12, 2017, 05:58:14 PM
Nice job, mate! Looking good! :) :)
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: tankmodeler February 22, 2017, 04:21:11 AM
Niiiice!
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: Gingie July 16, 2017, 03:15:28 AM
slowly slowly catchy monkey....

The wife was giving me the evil eye about a lack of progress, so 20 hours & 2 busted knees later the floor is in! I picked up some doors too, only to discover I had measured my rough openings wrong! Yargh! I framed them for the door + 1", when I should have framed them for the door FRAME + 1". As a result, all my openings are 1/2 too  narrow for common pre-hung doors and I will have to either build them out, or move studs and widen, or pony up the cash for custom doors (about 2x the price). Such a rookie mistake, I'm still stewing about it. :icon_nif: Also, my doors are 1/4" too tall for the openings. Not a biggie as I can easily cut them down, but if I'd thought to go with 78" doors... bah... on to the pics!

Here's the space age underlay!  As used on the hardwood floors of the Apollo 11 LEM
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4242/35901463756_db581272e1_o.jpg)

The floor is an engineered Acacia, supposed to be a decently hard wood. Lowes had it on sale and was having a 'no tax day', so my floor came in waay under budget, saving over $2k. Och!
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4328/35810086551_6e456cb974_o.jpg)
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: Volkodav July 16, 2017, 03:26:06 AM
 :)
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: GTX_Admin July 16, 2017, 03:59:03 AM
Looking good
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: Old Wombat July 16, 2017, 09:32:33 AM
 :) and $2K for models! ;D
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: Claymore July 16, 2017, 03:32:01 PM
Nice work and that flooring looks spot on.  :)
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: buzzbomb July 18, 2017, 01:27:06 PM
Jealous much :o
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: Gingie August 28, 2017, 01:27:48 AM
I'm going to be getting even less modelling done now...
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4406/36669814952_2bfb0a28dd_o.jpg)
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: Jeffry Fontaine August 28, 2017, 05:05:40 AM
What a cutie!
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: Old Wombat August 28, 2017, 10:11:33 AM
Awww! Innit cute! :D
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: elmayerle August 28, 2017, 11:40:45 AM
Really cute and with such nice, large, paws.  I'm sure this pup will be all sorts of encouragement.
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: The Big Gimper August 28, 2017, 07:19:57 PM
So cute!!! The puppy's name?

I am assuming your daughters have signed the officials documents indicating they will feed him/her, bathe, walk and clean up all messes for a minimum of 10 years?  ;D
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: Volkodav August 28, 2017, 08:22:44 PM
 :smiley:
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: Gingie August 28, 2017, 09:37:14 PM
So cute!!! The puppy's name?

I am assuming your daughters have signed the officials documents indicating they will feed him/her, bathe, walk and clean up all messes for a minimum of 10 years?  ;D

Ha! His name is Lucky, and it was my daughters and wife who for the past 3 years have been on me to get a dog. I've been using my veto power, but their war of attrition won & I gave in. So far, the picking up of poop has not lost its novelty, to the point where they fight over who picks it up. I *know* that ain't gonna last!

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: Zaskar24 August 29, 2017, 06:19:45 AM
That is a great looking pup. With paws that size wait until he still thinks he is a lap dog when fully grown!
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: Gingie September 01, 2017, 08:01:43 PM
^ I think he'll be over 70 lbs fully grown! Already introduced him to flowing water in some of the calmer parts of the Ottawa river. He's very much a Lab...we had a hard time getting him back on dry land!
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: Brian da Basher September 02, 2017, 04:44:13 AM
Wow a 1/1 scale dog and the weathering is just perfect!

Is there anything Gingie can't build?

Brian da Basher
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: Gingie December 11, 2017, 02:47:22 AM
After several designs, I finally settled on a layout for the model area. The design process literally went full circle, but it took 6 layouts and a few weeks to get back to my original "U"-shaped layout. I used the Ikea home planner app. Its not the greatest bit of software, but it does the job. I splurged a bit on the drawer sildes and cabinet doors / drawer fronts. Spending $ here can add 30% easy to a project like this, ie, some single doors ranged from $10 to $70 for the same size.

Cabinets & drawers from Ikea. Left wall is where the PC & photo station will be, centre wall painting (there is a window above it, not pictured, where the fume extractor will go), and right wall is the build area. The wall cabinets have around 25' of LED light strips that be placed under cabinet in 4 rows.

The plan is to build the counter top out of laminated press board topped with cork flooring tiles
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4588/25093709088_fd9f155b40_o.jpg)

Gray cork tiles:
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4592/25093712128_87d42d9c9b_o.jpg)
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: tankmodeler December 12, 2017, 03:47:40 AM
Very nice indeed.

To cut costs on cabinetry, might I suggest your local Habitat for Humanity Restore? If they have what you need, the cost can be a very small fraction of what new costs. The down side is that you may not get the exact cabinets you imagined and they could be a bit beat up, to boot.

But they will be a heckuvalot cheaper than any new cabinets. I have bought them on several occasions for shop applications.

But, sometimes, you just want new. I can dig that, too. Just a thought.

Paul
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: apophenia December 13, 2017, 08:02:36 AM
... topped with cork flooring tiles

Excellent detailing on that tile ... very life-like  ;)
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: Gingie December 17, 2017, 04:19:14 AM
Some more 1:1 scale building...at least I don't have to cut the parts from the sprues.

Feeling a little like that Friedrich Nietzsche quote about fighting monsters and staring into an abyss right now...

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4686/38384843944_9a26fa7869_b.jpg)
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: Rickshaw December 17, 2017, 09:08:16 AM
This IKEA, right?  No wonder you're feeling lost...   ;)
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: Brian da Basher December 18, 2017, 03:38:04 AM
I know this is your own build thread but I wanted to note how wonderfully appropriate that you're posting work on your modelling area under the "Land" section.

Brian da Basher
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: Gingie December 18, 2017, 06:36:19 AM
1 box down, and a few snafus. Need an extra pack of cam lockers and some toggle bolts for sheet rock. Since I'm installing these in a way Ikea did not intend (ie 4 x free standing units), I'll need some more legs and and thought as to how to keep everything level for the counter top.

No swearies yet! Apart from trying to re-wire a behind-the-wall Cat5e ethernet Keystone jack the sheetrockers cut through, but I can't blame that cussing on Ikea.
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: finsrin December 18, 2017, 06:51:26 AM
As stated - " I'm installing these in a way Ikea did not intend"
We now have an IKEA kit basher. :smiley:
: Re: Gingie's Build Thread
: elmayerle December 18, 2017, 08:20:35 AM
As stated - " I'm installing these in a way Ikea did not intend"
We now have an IKEA kit basher. :smiley:
Some folk will whiff anything!  ;)
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: buzzbomb December 18, 2017, 08:53:58 AM
Been through a similar exercise on a smaller scale, seriously liking the way this is evolving
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: Gingie December 19, 2017, 12:25:23 PM
Whiffing Ikea is not as rare as you might think!

https://www.ikeahackers.net/ (https://www.ikeahackers.net/)
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: Gingie January 22, 2018, 08:16:35 AM
Getting there!

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4622/39702522692_d28be15bd2_o.jpg)

Firearms closet roughed in:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4622/39024605574_4a273ebaba_o.jpg)

Hope to have it ready before the snow melts. The snow of 2018. (My wife made me specify a year this time when I told her it would be done "by summer")
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: finsrin January 22, 2018, 09:38:23 AM
Closet, contents, and the rest are all a fine 1/1 project. :smiley:
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: kitnut617 January 22, 2018, 10:13:19 PM
You must live in a tough neighbourhood Ginge    ;D
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: GTX_Admin January 23, 2018, 02:37:11 AM
You must live in a tough neighbourhood Ginge    ;D

The extent some go to defend their stash...
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: apophenia January 23, 2018, 07:44:41 AM
Wait ... that's just two shots of the same firearms closet. Are you sure that you can adequately secure the perimeter?
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: Gingie January 24, 2018, 06:46:51 AM
Why have one zombie apocalypse gun when you can have two at twice the price!
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: Jeffry Fontaine January 24, 2018, 10:16:04 AM
Why have one zombie apocalypse gun when you can have two at twice the price!
Need more shotguns :)
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: Old Wombat January 24, 2018, 10:45:05 AM
Nah! Silent or silenced weapons are better, zombies are attracted to sounds, especially loud ones - just ask Max Brookes! ;)
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: Gingie January 28, 2018, 04:03:31 AM
Nah! Silent or silenced weapons are better, zombies are attracted to sounds, especially loud ones - just ask Max Brookes! ;)


I totally subscribe to that Zombie canon! Bolt action .22 with subsonic ammo..thhwwwpt

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5591/14916539296_31e5470683_b.jpg)
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: Gingie March 25, 2018, 10:26:22 PM
Modelling room nearly there. I still have yet to settle on a counter top surface. Once that's in, I can peel the blue wrap off the cabinets, attach the door handles, add the kick plates, and begin wiring the under cabinet LED. The grey panels are magnetic boards - I use them to hold instructions sheets and sprues to keep the work area clear.

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4778/27136528808_ecdd27ac25_o.jpg)
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4775/26136593127_1703bab377_o.jpg)
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: Volkodav March 26, 2018, 09:56:33 PM
Wow!
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: The Big Gimper March 27, 2018, 12:53:53 AM
Umm, can I rent space from you Graeme?  :D
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: GTX_Admin March 28, 2018, 05:07:17 AM
Bugger renting....I'm interested in contracting him to build my new workshop!
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: Jeffry Fontaine March 28, 2018, 05:39:23 AM
@Graeme

I hope your arms are long enough to reach all the way to the back under the drawer units that you have installed. 

You know that is where the dropped parts will eventually land, all the way to the back :)
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: kim margosein March 28, 2018, 10:43:42 AM
My own 2c.  1.  Throw caution and money to the wind, and go to some countertop store, explain your needs.  Were I to do it again I would want the surface to be solvent resistant, and a surface you can scrape the paint and glue off now and then.  The second idea is use some relatively smooth and solid surface like MDF, that you can take off and trash when they become too beat up.
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: Gingie March 30, 2018, 10:37:46 PM
@Graeme

I hope your arms are long enough to reach all the way to the back under the drawer units that you have installed. 

You know that is where the dropped parts will eventually land, all the way to the back :)

Ooohhh, you know that is actually a really good point. I believe the kick plates I am installing snap on & off, but it might be an idea to leave off an entire panel (the one facing away from the main viewing angle), just to access stuff that falls behind the drawer. Cheers for that!
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: Gingie March 30, 2018, 10:38:44 PM
Umm, can I rent space from you Graeme?  :D

There's room for three!  :D
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: Gingie March 30, 2018, 10:48:45 PM
My own 2c.  1.  Throw caution and money to the wind, and go to some countertop store, explain your needs.  Were I to do it again I would want the surface to be solvent resistant, and a surface you can scrape the paint and glue off now and then.  The second idea is use some relatively smooth and solid surface like MDF, that you can take off and trash when they become too beat up.

Kim, indeed, I am considering now contracting this portion out. Even the cheapest formica option is $1500 installed. That's nearly 8% of the entire basement budget.

edit: I will have a 'sacrificial' work surface over top of the counter. Its MDF wrapped in vinyl, I'll see if I can find a photo.

MDF is not really an option in this case...and it goes back to the initial design phase. You see, a lot of my floor plans had the modelling area walled off, with access via 34" door. This had some great advantages: I could finish the room with cheaper materials, I wouldn't have to keep tidy (just close & lock the door), and I could make it more of a work area, ie, use MDF for a counter. Also, having a 4th wall in the room would give me another wall to butt a work surface up against.

The disadvantage was that it made the basement seem cramped. It's roughly 25' along the back wall, and splitting it into 2 x 12' rooms just made the whole area look tight. I decided that leaving it open, despite the advantage of a separate closed off room, would also make it more social. So when I go down to work on models, my kids will be close by in the TV / games area. And when the guys come over for a build night, we can have the war movies on in teh background. TBH, I'm still not sure if this was the right call, it was a design decision that took months to make, ahah!
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: Gingie March 30, 2018, 10:56:12 PM
Kim - this is what I build for my last model room to protect the counter. Its board of MDF wrapped in green vinyl. Underneath is a cut-up yoga mat to protect the counter and provide some grip. Cutting mats go on top for building.

In this case, the counter was made from interlocking floor tiles of engineered wood. I finished the edge with metal tile trim channel...very uncomfortable to lean my wrists against that sharp edge.

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/881/39307230990_7dd8bf69e4_o.jpg)[/url]
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: GTX_Admin March 31, 2018, 03:32:44 AM
 :smiley:
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: kim margosein April 01, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
Gingie, thanks for the photos.  Now you got me thinking.  The local bix box home improvement store is renovating and they have some damaged and offcut MDF going for peanuts.  Of course this comes after rebuilding the model display room.  Anyway, I'll be taking a break from that shortly as gardening season is starting.

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: Gingie July 21, 2018, 10:49:21 PM
more incremental progress...

The counter top surface is on, pretty pleased with this as a low-budget alternative to formica. I still need to add the maple bullnose edge.

I wanted to install a large magetic board at the build station. This is handy for hanging sprues, instruction sheets, evergreen packages, inspirational photos, etc.

Since I already had a number of Ikea metal boards, I just had to suss out how to mount them. Mounting them individually was a non-starter, as it would mean loads of drywall anchors and it would be nearly impossible for me to drill 20 holes exactly right so the boards were all tight & even.

So I made an adapter plate of sorts. Some strips of plywood and a forstner bit meant a recessed nut/bolt/washer could be used to attach the metal to the wood. There was just enough play in the holes to account for the slight discrepancies between the holes on the ikea panels. Once they were ganged together I made a cleat and secured that into the wall studs. The boards then hang off the cleat & are secure.

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/937/43548595751_895787c313_b.jpg)
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/938/43548594641_2ec54dffd1_b.jpg)
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1826/41740268780_0525b02855_b.jpg)
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: kerick July 22, 2018, 12:20:09 AM
Nice job. Looks good
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: Brian da Basher July 22, 2018, 01:00:15 AM
I especially like that this is posted under Land. Most appropriate.  :D

Brian da Basher
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: apophenia July 22, 2018, 03:45:30 AM
Nice! That looks very slick  :smiley:
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: Old Wombat July 22, 2018, 05:10:14 PM
Jealousy is a curse but I has it! :icon_crap: ::)
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: The Big Gimper July 25, 2018, 07:48:00 AM
Today, I was given special access to this top secret workshop and I can report with 100% certainly it going to be awesome when completed and that there was no photo-shopping of images.

And Lucky the guard dog allowed me to pass.
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: Gingie August 20, 2018, 02:27:38 AM
Lucky the guard dog....his secret weapon is saliva to face.

A bit more progress. I was procrastinating on this as it was a bit of a new area. I ripped some maple for the edge of the counter, but wanted to round over the edges. The only thing that would get me a consistent edge would be a 1/4" bit in the router. Which meant I had to find the thing (it had not been used in 20+ year) and then build a router table for it, as I wanted to round over the top & bottom edges prior to install.

Plan is to stain the maple the same colour as the floor. I got a black-ish stain (Jacobean) to try out and it didn't look so hot.

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1859/29199161627_bbe3771545_o.jpg)


4 x 22W Hyperikon LED under cabinet lighting. I'm going to add a valance to the front and sides to hide some of the wiring and cut down on glare.
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1857/44088367862_f3cce58902_o.jpg)


More LED desk lamps. These can switch between 4 colour temps and 5 brightness levels. The long row of LED helps cut down on shadows over the work surface.
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1859/44088366472_95c6632f38_o.jpg)
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: Brian da Basher August 20, 2018, 02:59:23 AM
You've got some serious skills!

The minimal weathering is superb and I especially like that drawing. It's details like this that really bring a diorama alive for me.

Is it 1/35 scale and when will the inevitable piece of armor make an appearance?
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Seriously though that looks like every modeler's dream workspace.

Beats my upturned box on a stool by light-years!

You make Bob Villa look like a piker, sir.

Brian da Basher
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: elmayerle August 20, 2018, 09:03:32 AM
What Brian said; that's serious good work there.
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: buzzbomb August 20, 2018, 10:25:50 AM
Certainly a work area to aspire to
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: Old Wombat August 20, 2018, 06:11:06 PM
Jealousy does not appear to be waning! :icon_crap: ::)
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: tankmodeler August 20, 2018, 11:21:00 PM
This is horrible! Really, I can't let you work in such awful conditions! And, to show you what a nice guy I am, I'll just take all that rubbish stuff off your hands. Free! Gratis.

No, no, don't thank me. What are friends for, after all...
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: Gingie August 20, 2018, 11:53:42 PM
ahha, cheers fellas.

I don't think I have completed more than 1-2 models since starting this 1-year reno almost 4 years ago!

Part of me doesn't want to clutter up the work surfaces with kit bits now :-/
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: tankmodeler August 21, 2018, 11:02:15 PM
Part of me doesn't want to clutter up the work surfaces with kit bits now :-/
Totally understandable.

However, if you find yourself building on a folding card table in the corner of the kitchen, then you know you really have a problem.
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: apophenia August 22, 2018, 06:35:54 AM
I don't think I have completed more than 1-2 models since starting this 1-year reno almost 4 years ago!

These 1-to-1 scale builds can be major time-sucks! Your find-router-then-build-router-table-for-it reminds me of the 'Ink and Incapability' episode of Blackadder - where Edmund  needs to teach Baldrich how to read before he'll be able to proofread Dr. Johnson's new dictionary  :D
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: Gingie August 23, 2018, 07:35:32 AM
LOL, yeah, and I forgot to add the 4 hours of you tube videos on "how to build a router table", which somehow ends up with me watching Primitive Man showing how to farm sweet potatoes at 2 am.
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: Old Wombat August 23, 2018, 09:40:18 AM
... which somehow ends up with me watching Primitive Man showing how to farm sweet potatoes at 2 am.

I know that type of youtube thread drift intimately. ;D
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: GTX_Admin September 02, 2018, 04:56:03 AM
... which somehow ends up with me watching Primitive Man showing how to farm sweet potatoes at 2 am.

I know that type of youtube thread drift intimately. ;D

Oh yeah