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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: Daryl J. on May 29, 2012, 06:21:32 AM

Title: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: Daryl J. on May 29, 2012, 06:21:32 AM
Typhoon:  USAF reconnaissance Korea.    So why not the Tempest?  Well, it would be a better airframe presumably, but Hasegawa make a beautiful Tiffie with plenty of lovely resin bits and it already resides is Ye Humb'l Household.   
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 29, 2012, 08:28:45 PM
SeaTempest anyone?

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/SeaTempest.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 29, 2012, 08:30:25 PM
Mindless play:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/FrontTypfoon.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 29, 2012, 08:34:36 PM
Last one...for now:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/melbsyd/typhoonr.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: Daryl J. on May 30, 2012, 02:20:21 AM
I've thought of doing a retrograde Tiffie as well where metal becomes scarce and the aircraft reverts to a more conventional airframe of cloth wings and aft fuselage much like the original Hurricane.    A few months back I picked up the Monogram kit and some Ultracast goodies for just such a venture.

Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on May 30, 2012, 09:03:13 PM
This is my attempt at a Hawker P.1027, which is thought would have been the Tempest Mk.VII if it had been produced in numbers.  Powered by the RR Eagle 24 cylinder 'H' block engine, my thoughts that it could have been used as a 'jet hunter', on patrol at height and then called in when a jet was spotted.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on May 30, 2012, 09:07:36 PM
Here's a couple with it's wheels on, and one with the drop tanks I put on it
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: ChernayaAkula on May 30, 2012, 10:01:08 PM
Damn, that P.1027 looks cool!  :icon_surprised: Especially the airborne version. Has a definite "don't mess with me"-look about it.  >:D

EDIT: This wouldn't have looked out of place in "Sky Crawlers". In fact, since their premise was to have their aircraft look like the pinnacle of prop-driven fighter design, it would have been right at home there.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 15, 2012, 01:08:29 AM
Warhawk engine
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Tempest_p40_2.jpg)

Kittyhawk engine
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Tempest_p40_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on June 15, 2012, 02:27:49 AM
Is that a 'scale-a-rama' Carlos ?
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 15, 2012, 03:37:00 AM
No scaleorama.
Scales are roughly the same. Only propeller can be out of scale: I took it from a Spitfire 22
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on June 15, 2012, 04:32:12 AM
The Merlin setup on the Kittyhawk is quite a bit smaller than the Sabre on a Tempest Carlos, the bottom of the Kittyhawks radiator doesn't even get below the wing on the Tempest if you place the two together.  Measuring the Kittyhawk it's 20.5mm from top of cowling to bottom of radiator, for the the Tempest it's 25.5mm, these are both 1/72 kits btw, and that's a massive real world 18" [457mm] difference.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: elmayerle on June 15, 2012, 10:12:43 AM
SeaTempest anyone?

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/SeaTempest.jpg[/url])

Hawker P.1009 derivative fom a Tempest instead of a Typhoon?
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 15, 2012, 11:51:55 PM
The Merlin setup on the Kittyhawk is quite a bit smaller than the Sabre on a Tempest Carlos, the bottom of the Kittyhawks radiator doesn't even get below the wing on the Tempest if you place the two together.  Measuring the Kittyhawk it's 20.5mm from top of cowling to bottom of radiator, for the the Tempest it's 25.5mm, these are both 1/72 kits btw, and that's a massive real world 18" [457mm] difference.
What do you mean?
I labeled wrong the drawings but, anyway, I am not considering Merlin, but Allison V-1710
Please, measure from top of the hood to bottom of wing (note that you do not have complete wing in your P-40 fuselage half). Difference is not big.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on June 16, 2012, 12:23:34 AM
What do you mean?
I labeled wrong the drawings but, anyway, I am not considering Merlin, but Allison V-1710
Please, measure from top of the hood to bottom of wing (note that you do not have complete wing in your P-40 fuselage half). Difference is not big.

Hi Carlos, I wouldn't measure from top of 'hood' to bottom of wing, it's not apples to apples.  I measured from top of fuselage just in front of the canopies to a parallel line at the bottom of the radiators.  I then check each fuselage side against some 1/72 drawings of each aircraft that appear in 'Aircraft of the Fighting Powers' books, and the kits are not far off the scale drawings. (Note: I do know that the drawings in these books have somewhat of a dis-information factor in them as the early ones were published during the war, but the Tempest and Kittyhawk appear in volumns published after the war)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on June 16, 2012, 12:31:52 AM
I am not considering Merlin, but Allison V-1710

From what I've read in one of the Rolls Royce books I have, the Allison and Merlin were very close in size and weight, but here's a couple of pics of Griffon engined Tempests, the Mk.III & Mk.IV, to give you an idea.  The Griffon was a much larger engine than either of the other two.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on June 16, 2012, 12:34:25 AM
Here's a couple of pics of drawings given to me of the Mk.III by the Typhoon/Tempest Specialist at Air-Britain Historical Society.

Even here you can see that the radiator housing only just clears the bottom of the fuselage.  After I got these drawings I tried to make a model of it, (last post), but not long ago my Dad gave me some old 'The Aeroplane' books, one from 1948 which had a cutaway drawing of the Fairey Firefly Mk.I, there was a note pointing at the engine area which said "Griffon Power Egg".  I realised then that was what is on the Tempest Mk.III drawing and I'm changing my model build by using the front end from a Firefly.  It matches very well when placed over the drawing. 

If you have a Firefly kit, try placing it over the Kittyhawk and see what the difference is ---
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on June 16, 2012, 12:58:16 AM
Here's a pic of the Kittyhawk fuselage over the Tempests, I've lined up the tops of the fuselage at the leading edge of the canopies. I can't measure it with the wings because I donated the Tempest wings to Evan
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 16, 2012, 01:00:46 AM
^^^^^
IMO that is fine for a whiffer :) :) :)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: Daryl J. on June 16, 2012, 01:02:08 AM
Would ya' have a look at those!    :)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 16, 2012, 01:03:22 AM
^^^^^
You will see!
Be patient and see this: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1452.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1452.0) ;)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on June 16, 2012, 01:10:41 AM
I have to admit that my interpretation of the Mk.IV is a bit of conjecture, but my reasoning is this. The Mk.IV was given the serial LA610, and was the prototype for the 'light weight' Tempest.  Basically what they did was to move the wings in closer together so that the inside sides of the wheel bays almost touch at the center of the fuselage.  The project was then transfered to the Hawker Fury program and LA610 went with it.  It next appeared like this below, there are lots of photos of this prototype on the internet and my guess is that the cowling configuration must have been considered before when it was the Tempest Mk.IV.  But, and I do stress 'but', there's no photographic proof it was like that.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: Daryl J. on June 16, 2012, 01:30:29 AM
That looks good. 
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 21, 2012, 04:32:03 PM
Oh yeah!!! X 2
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 22, 2012, 12:56:35 PM
Brilliant twin boom! 8)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 22, 2012, 12:59:26 PM
Did someone say Twin Tiffie?

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/twintiffietop.gif)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/twintiffietop2.gif)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: dogsbody on July 22, 2012, 01:57:34 PM
Perhaps a Seaphoon?

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4071/34917253844_cc8f20cf1b_c.jpg)




Chris
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 17, 2013, 03:50:44 PM
Typhoon + Fw190

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/typhoon_fw190.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/typhoon_fw190.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: Volkodav on March 22, 2014, 02:54:27 AM
How about a Typhoon or Tempest Floatplane fighter for the FAA.  Used for convoy escort as well as a replacement for some of the cruiser launched aircraft.  The thought of it being used against the Japanese in the Pacific by the RAAF also comes to mind  ;D

Its a big heavy very fast plane and would imaging a large central float and (possibly retractable) outrigger floats would not be as big an impediment for the big Hawkers as for smaller types.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: jcf on March 22, 2014, 03:08:57 AM
Drag, drag, and more drag.  ;)

With the size of the Typhoon it may be better to go the Blackburn B.44 route:
(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/269/5/f/hodgekins_the_blackburn_b44_by_kirovrampager-d5fzuy5.png)

Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 22, 2014, 03:37:56 AM
How about a Typhoon or Tempest Floatplane fighter for the FAA. .


Would this suffice?

(http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/images/monsoontm_e.jpg)

1/48 Hawker Monsoon by Tory Mucaro (http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/monsoontm_1.htm)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: Volkodav on March 22, 2014, 04:03:55 AM
Tah, I'll have three of those for my RAN Renown and KGV thankyou very much  :)

Sweet model and exactly what I was thinking.

I was also thinking of a Blackburn Firebrand floatplane fighter, don't have one of them hiding somewhere?
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 22, 2014, 04:11:03 AM
Drag, drag, and more drag.  ;)

With the size of the Typhoon it may be better to go the Blackburn B.44 route:
([url]http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/269/5/f/hodgekins_the_blackburn_b44_by_kirovrampager-d5fzuy5.png[/url])


I wish someone would release a kit of that.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 22, 2014, 04:44:31 AM
With the size of the Typhoon it may be better to go the Blackburn B.44 route:

I wish someone would release a kit of that.

I wish someone would release a kit of the B.20 too!
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 30, 2017, 05:51:32 AM
Random idea:  twin seat Typhoon or Tempest using similar arrangement to Sea Fury T.20.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: The Big Gimper on April 30, 2017, 06:33:27 AM
Like this Greg?  Kaiser Aircraft Industries TF2K-1 Wasp Trainer. Base kit is Academy Typhoon 1b with the cockpit from a PM Seafury T.61. Drop tanks from a Hurricane. Decal from F6F and spares.

(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n547/CF-101B/Modelling%202015/9dbe2736-796c-48f1-abb8-f51d78f9bc90.jpg)

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=5631.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=5631.0)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 01, 2017, 02:58:40 AM
Exactly! :)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: M.A.D on May 01, 2017, 03:44:12 AM
How about a Typhoon or Tempest Floatplane fighter for the FAA. .


Would this suffice?

([url]http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/images/monsoontm_e.jpg[/url])

1/48 Hawker Monsoon by Tory Mucaro ([url]http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/monsoontm_1.htm[/url])


Know that's a lovely model and believable concept IMO! :-*

M.A.D
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 15, 2017, 05:32:19 AM
Random ideas:

Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: KiwiZac on October 26, 2017, 03:37:47 AM
  • Reno Racer Tempest with Sabre engine
I've seen a Griffon Sea Fury suggested at the AAFO Air Racin' forum...I'm loathe to cut up my Matchbox Tempest II so may just go stock!
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: kitnut617 on October 26, 2017, 09:48:34 AM
  • Reno Racer Tempest with Sabre engine
I've seen a Griffon Sea Fury suggested at the AAFO Air Racin' forum...I'm loathe to cut up my Matchbox Tempest II so may just go stock!

Like this maybe ----
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: raafif on November 22, 2017, 12:45:39 PM
Hawker Twinphoon

some fun with colour photos.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 23, 2017, 02:26:48 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: perttime on November 23, 2017, 10:30:38 PM
Isn't that a Twinpest, instead?

The nose looks a little bulky on those. Maybe it could be a little more like the Whirlwind nose.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 17, 2018, 09:46:41 PM
1/72 Tempest MK. I via the Jays Model conversion kit and the Academy Tempest Mk.V.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/811/39964636165_2ee17f4570_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23TxcZ8)Tempest-MK1-05 (https://flic.kr/p/23TxcZ8) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/810/40150033814_e1f718e086_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24aVqfj)Tempest-MK1-04 (https://flic.kr/p/24aVqfj) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4795/39964636265_348821d0b7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23Txd1R)Tempest-MK1-02 (https://flic.kr/p/23Txd1R) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 17, 2018, 11:16:16 PM
Love Hawker Twinphoon!!!! :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 17, 2018, 04:29:26 AM
Random idea:  Turboprop Tempest
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: elmayerle on May 17, 2018, 04:51:30 AM
1/72 Tempest MK. I via the Jays Model conversion kit and the Academy Tempest Mk.V.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/811/39964636165_2ee17f4570_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23TxcZ8)Tempest-MK1-05 (https://flic.kr/p/23TxcZ8) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/810/40150033814_e1f718e086_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24aVqfj)Tempest-MK1-04 (https://flic.kr/p/24aVqfj) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4795/39964636265_348821d0b7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23Txd1R)Tempest-MK1-02 (https://flic.kr/p/23Txd1R) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
Tempted to use the same bits to make a production Tempest I, with the production tail, and use a serial from the Tempest I production contract that was shifted to Tempest V's.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: perttime on May 17, 2018, 09:34:33 PM
Random idea:  Turboprop Tempest
Or Fury/Sea Fury. I is in the family and a little later design.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 18, 2018, 01:25:29 AM
I originally went for the Tempest on the basis of the Napier Sabre engine and radiator configuration giving a good basis for modification into a turboprop configuration similar to this:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/HOP_ATR42_F-GPYC_25sep14_LFBO-2.jpg/1600px-HOP_ATR42_F-GPYC_25sep14_LFBO-2.jpg)

Moreover, the larger wing of the Tempest vs the Fury family gave more potential for underwing pylons if one wanted to go for something with a predominately ground attack role.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: M.A.D on May 31, 2018, 06:56:39 PM
How about a Typhoon or Tempest Floatplane fighter for the FAA. .


Would this suffice?

([url]http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/images/monsoontm_e.jpg[/url])

1/48 Hawker Monsoon by Tory Mucaro ([url]http://www.scaleworkshop.com/workshop/monsoontm_1.htm[/url])


Beautiful model!!  :P :-*


M.A.D
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: The Big Gimper on September 27, 2018, 08:38:35 PM
Found on Facebook on the Monogram Scale Models group. 1/48 scale. You're welcome Greg.

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42576617_10217007741848670_2717591319038918656_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&oh=dfa5cddddbf18642974af585350a4840&oe=5C25623A)

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42619364_10217007742688691_615713798451363840_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&oh=7b81a7b362bcedcaa621f5b5a67edc3e&oe=5C2026EC)
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: perttime on September 28, 2018, 01:19:38 AM
Silver and blue works for me.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 28, 2018, 11:13:51 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: elmayerle on August 28, 2019, 01:47:51 PM
Just an odd thought, the RAF gets nervous about whether the Napier Sabre's development problems can be resolved and negotiates a "Reverse Lend-Lease" deal with the USSR for production and development rights to the AM-38 for use in place of the Sabre, perhaps produced by Fairey.
Title: Re: Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
Post by: Small brown dog on August 29, 2019, 03:40:48 AM
Did someone say Twin Tiffie?

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/twintiffietop.gif[/url])


This one makes me moist!