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Title: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on May 21, 2017, 03:08:11 AM
Well I started something I've been kicking around for some time now. Picked up a Lindberg Victor kit a while back for half price at a LHS. I was really only interested in the fuselage so what to do with the wings? I had some thick plastic sheet laying around and well, anyway, now I have the start of a flying wing, British style.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4194/33971532423_16dcf7d921_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TKWZ3g)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4201/34648034691_b08f2b3e5b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UMJeAt)

Cockpit is from a 1/144th scale F-4.

Underside, lots of room for bomb bays.......

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4163/34617943922_ff63324c47_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UK51E7)

The open area around the cockpit has been filled with Aves epoxie sculpt. Lots of sanding to do. I wish I had lots of extra wheels as the Lindberg ones are over simplified at best.

Any thoughts on paint and markings?
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Tophe on May 21, 2017, 03:48:07 AM
Interesting... ;)
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2017, 04:35:54 AM
Interesting... ;)

Indeed
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2017, 04:37:03 AM

Any thoughts on paint and markings?

What era?  What role?
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: KiwiZac on May 21, 2017, 09:00:59 AM
Oh yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssss, that looks fantastic! :-*
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on May 21, 2017, 09:44:43 AM

Any thoughts on paint and markings?

What era?  What role?

Same as the Victor
Thanks for the interest and suggestions!
Thinking of going wheels up just to avoid those awful kit wheels.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: ericr on May 21, 2017, 03:38:46 PM
lovely !
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Acree on May 21, 2017, 04:06:52 PM
My vote is for anti-flash white with pale roundels.  But hemp over light grey would be nice, too.

Chuck
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Modelling_Mushi on May 21, 2017, 06:28:49 PM
Oooohh this looks good.  :-*

Colours? I can just see this in Desert Pink lifted from a Jaguar ....
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on May 21, 2017, 10:35:00 PM
Boxed in the underside and added a second layer of Aves. Much PSR ahead.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4174/34636453792_9f0bd13911_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ULGSZN)
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2017, 10:58:15 PM
My vote is for anti-flash white with pale roundels.  But hemp over light grey would be nice, too.

Chuck

Ditto - maybe make it as an Armstrong Whitworth and tie it in with their A.W.52.  Say Jack Northrop worked there somehow.  Maybe the Armstrong Whitworth "Vengence" bomber part of the V-force
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: KiwiZac on May 22, 2017, 04:50:26 AM
Hemp over grey Vengeance is my vote!
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: kitnut617 on May 22, 2017, 05:07:39 AM
My vote is for anti-flash white with pale roundels.  But hemp over light grey would be nice, too.

Chuck

Ditto - maybe make it as an Armstrong Whitworth and tie it in with their A.W.52.  Say Jack Northrop worked there somehow.  Maybe the Armstrong Whitworth "Vengence" bomber part of the V-force

Funny you should come up with that, I've got a plan to build an XB-35 or 49 for the RAF. Only it would have a short fuselage section sticking out the front for the cockpit/crew and front u/c.  Something along the lines of the A.W.52. My story is that it was built by Armstrong Whitworth after the wing design was handed over by Jack Northrop to them because Northrop kept getting shafted by the US Government and he had enough of it.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 22, 2017, 08:09:15 AM
Maybe a bit like this?

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image.jpg1_zpszzlugswo.jpg)
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: elmayerle on May 22, 2017, 09:46:08 AM
My vote is for anti-flash white with pale roundels.  But hemp over light grey would be nice, too.

Chuck

Ditto - maybe make it as an Armstrong Whitworth and tie it in with their A.W.52.  Say Jack Northrop worked there somehow.  Maybe the Armstrong Whitworth "Vengence" bomber part of the V-force
How about some folk leaving Northrop and moving to Britain after the cancellation of the Northrop wings and bringing their technology, knowledge, and ideas with them to Armstrong Whitworth?  Along, perhaps, with preliminary sketches of more advanced wings.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on May 22, 2017, 09:59:14 AM
My vote is for anti-flash white with pale roundels.  But hemp over light grey would be nice, too.

Chuck

Ditto - maybe make it as an Armstrong Whitworth and tie it in with their A.W.52.  Say Jack Northrop worked there somehow.  Maybe the Armstrong Whitworth "Vengence" bomber part of the V-force
How about some folk leaving Northrop and moving to Britain after the cancellation of the Northrop wings and bringing their technology, knowledge, and ideas with them to Armstrong Whitworth?  Along, perhaps, with preliminary sketches of more advanced wings.

And then combined with the kinked sweep pattern to make it look British!
I like the Vengence name. I may have to look for some faded roundels to go with white or hemp.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: LemonJello on May 22, 2017, 07:32:01 PM
Oh, my! Flying wings - it's like a siren song for me!

"Please, sir, can I have some more?"
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: pigflyer on May 22, 2017, 11:28:40 PM
White Vengeance would be superb, or how about overall PR blue, solid blue & red roundels, black leading edges? Vengeance sounds like a
Vickers name, but it suits the bird beautifully.
Top whiffing marks tho, great concept.
 :-*
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: kitnut617 on May 23, 2017, 02:14:49 AM
Maybe a bit like this?

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image.jpg1_zpszzlugswo.jpg[/url])


Something like that Greg   :)
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: finsrin on May 23, 2017, 07:03:43 PM
Kitbash brilliance. :-*
Yes, is Northrop gone British to build next improved version of flying wing.  Looking super !
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on May 24, 2017, 06:20:15 AM
PSR mode for now, not much to show.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on May 30, 2017, 09:54:36 AM
Round 2 of PSR.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4222/34169381723_54378394b8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U4r1K6)

Underside is now covered.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4220/34592475670_6b3fcfafa9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UGPtQj)

I had to fill the ginormous gaps around the ailerons. You could throw a baseball through them.

Round 3 applied.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4251/34137268384_719682e78d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/U1AqyQ)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4273/34592463340_8ef2b4c7e1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UGPqaJ)

I'm going to search for alternative landing gear wheels and struts. Kit wheels are little better than plastic lumps and too big for this scale anyway. Maybe something from an airliner kit. Hmmm... I have a B-52 kit in the stash........
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 30, 2017, 04:43:04 PM
Looking good.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: tankmodeler on June 02, 2017, 12:31:17 AM
You could add a MAD boom out the back, refuelling probe and then do the hemp over grey as a maritime patrol aircraft version.

 ;)
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on June 02, 2017, 01:25:40 AM
Interesting idea!
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Tophe on June 04, 2017, 01:28:27 PM
Wow! Great! :-*
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: tankmodeler on June 06, 2017, 08:42:53 AM
Interesting idea!
I'm chock full of interesting ideas that _I_ don't have to execute!  :-D
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on June 06, 2017, 10:33:10 AM
Interesting idea!
I'm chock full of interesting ideas that _I_ don't have to execute!  :-D

Bring 'em on! Never know what will bear fruit!
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on July 19, 2017, 01:01:10 AM
Picked up a Testors paint pen in silver yesterday. I've used it before to prime filled areas to see what needs to be refilled. No prep, no cleanup and nice reveal of flaws. I'll try to get some pics tonight.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 20, 2017, 06:12:32 AM
That is a thoroughly awesome combination and some mighty brave PSR!

This is definitely one to watch!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on July 20, 2017, 07:32:21 AM
Here is the topside with the silver from the paint pen.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4313/35992362956_d7de041a59_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WQwgy1)

And the bottom side.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4299/36034091445_035828f76f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WUd8YH)

And more putty.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4326/35223937973_f4cea806ba_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VEBTzp)

And more putty.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4312/35644386610_4ff9a56c32_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WiLNiQ)

I had some trouble with the putty sticking to the silver paint when I tried to apply a thin layer. I don't recall that being a problem before. Either the putty pulled away from the paint or the paint came off and mixed with the putty. Oh well, just something to keep in the old tool box for when it works best. At least it revealed flaws so I could fix them.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: tankmodeler on July 20, 2017, 11:59:45 PM
I had some trouble with the putty sticking to the silver paint when I tried to apply a thin layer. I don't recall that being a problem before. Either the putty pulled away from the paint or the paint came off and mixed with the putty.
It probably has a lot to do with how much paint you're putting on and how thin the putty is. The two likely react with the same solvents so transferring ink and putty or picking up putty on the ink is not that surprising if that's the case. You may have just been lucky before? :)

Paul
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on July 22, 2017, 07:54:58 AM
Or Testors changed the formula...
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on December 14, 2017, 12:16:29 PM
Painting issues again! A couple coats of gloss white from the hardware store and then it wrinkled up in different spots. Sanded down but what to use so it doesn’t happen again? The hardware store paint may have been old so I don’t want to use it again. Probably should just spend a couple bucks and get some spray acrylic. Going for anti flash white.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Tophe on December 15, 2017, 12:34:33 AM
Poor Kerick, sorry my skills are not high enough to provide you with a cure. But I hope this great model may be finished someday... ;)
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: tankmodeler on December 15, 2017, 05:05:51 AM
While it definitely doesn't cure every problem, using spray bombs from the hardware store is probably the least controllable application method. You can't vary the pressure, viscosity, spray amount, anything.

An airbrush, even a very cheap one from China, is the way to go for this sort of application.

That said, I've had better luck using a spray bomb with multiple light coats, especially for things like white that tend to be a bit translucent, than trying to get good coverage in one or even two coats. It also gives you the opportunity to do some light sanding between coats if things are looking a bit too thick in areas.

Paul
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on December 15, 2017, 10:08:43 AM
You are right on all counts my friend. Just wish I could keep from spraying on "just a little bit more". Gets me every time.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on December 06, 2024, 03:22:39 AM
Well this one has sat around long enough. Time to finish it. I’m battling a cold right now but I was messing around with landing gear options. I found a good looking nose gear and scrounged up some main gear wheels. They won’t all match perfectly but hopefully it will be good enough when painted. I might go with the hemp over grey version yet but I’m not sure. At least the paint that was driving me nuts has had lots of time to cure and off gas and whatever else it might do. Hopefully things will behave whatever scheme I decide on.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: apophenia on December 06, 2024, 04:32:31 AM
Excellent!  :smiley: :smiley:

So is your astonishing transformation also a scale-o-rama? I note that the Lindberg Victor kit is 1/96 scale but what about the Phantom (?) cockpit section? Is that in 1/72nd?
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Buzzbomb on December 06, 2024, 04:51:06 AM
Oh Man, I love a zombie project  :D :D

Especially one as interesting as this... go for it  :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 06, 2024, 05:08:53 AM
Holy thread revival!  Good to see this getting some attention.  LMK if you need a set of Vulcan wings for the same purpose. 
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on December 06, 2024, 08:55:20 AM
Excellent!  :smiley: :smiley:

So is your astonishing transformation also a scale-o-rama? I note that the Lindberg Victor kit is 1/96 scale but what about the Phantom (?) cockpit section? Is that in 1/72nd?

The Phantom cockpit is 1/144 scale so that rescales everything.

Holy thread revival!  Good to see this getting some attention.  LMK if you need a set of Vulcan wings for the same purpose. 

Sounds interesting. Too many things going on right now. I just have to finish some stuff that’s been laying around far too long. I’ll keep it in mind.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: apophenia on December 07, 2024, 04:20:38 AM
The Phantom cockpit is 1/144 scale so that rescales everything. ...

Yow! So this flying wing is now 1/144th ... this sucker is going to be huge  :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on December 07, 2024, 06:12:48 AM
Hmmmm…..  Now I will have to measure the wing span and calculate a RW number. Easy peasy.
I’m working on some main gear and nose gear. I’ll use the kit main gear wells but the nose gear well will just be black decal. It’s solid plastic and putty anyway.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Dr. YoKai on December 07, 2024, 11:27:37 PM
 Sorry I missed this the first go round-but I'm glad to see it revived. I really love the concept.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: KiwiZac on March 19, 2025, 10:55:25 AM
I'm so pleased this is back on your bench!
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on March 19, 2025, 09:34:43 PM
It’s in the “need to finish this” line up. Now if I can hold off from starting anything new!
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Dr. YoKai on March 26, 2025, 10:29:00 PM
 I should also on on record as liking the idea of a maritime patrol aircraft in, ah, hemp...
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Dr. YoKai on March 26, 2025, 10:31:34 PM
 I should go on record as supporting the Maritime patrol idea in a scheme of, ah, Hemp...
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on March 26, 2025, 11:26:21 PM
Finding a paint brand that carries hemp! Doesn’t seem like a very popular choice.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Dr. YoKai on March 26, 2025, 11:57:46 PM
Finding a paint brand that carries hemp! Doesn’t seem like a very popular choice.

It's a fair cop. Where would you be ordering from? I can do some looking.
EDIT: This is my usual supply source-it might not be the best place for you to order from depending on location, but it has the available brands and
         stock numbers. https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/browse.php?kw=Hemp (https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/browse.php?kw=Hemp)

Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Kerick on March 27, 2025, 03:03:49 AM
That’s a good option. It’s in the states so no problem for postage at least. The Vallejo looks good.
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: apophenia on March 28, 2025, 07:57:37 AM
Finding a paint brand that carries hemp! Doesn’t seem like a very popular choice.

There's a number of brands carrying some variation on BS381 Camouflage Beige aka 'Hemp'. Although I'm not absolutely sure that was the kind of hemp that Doc was referring to  ;)
Title: Re: What if Jack Northrup had traveled to Britain.
Post by: Dr. YoKai on March 29, 2025, 02:28:24 AM
Finding a paint brand that carries hemp! Doesn’t seem like a very popular choice.

There's a number of brands carrying some variation on BS381 Camouflage Beige aka 'Hemp'. Although I'm not absolutely sure that was the kind of hemp that Doc was referring to  ;)

(enters, narrows eyes. Exits, coughing)