Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on February 01, 2014, 04:28:26 AM
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A thread dedicated to your Westland Lysander Ideas and Inspiration.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Westland-Lysander-Shuttleworth-2009.jpg)
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On What If modellers some years ago, there was a Spat-My-Ride GB in honour of you-know-who. Someone then suggested an Unspat-My-Ride GB as a reposte to it... ;D.
I had the idea of taking a Lizzie and unspatting it by using a P-40. The P-40's engine would go on the Lizzie, as well as enough of its centre-wing section to include the retractable undercarriage. Two Lizzie drop tanks would then go on the ends of the stub wings. For some reason I can only see it in high-speed silver with prototype P markings.... ???
Another idea? Okay then, how about a Lizzie with two fuselage-mounted engines in the style of the Dornier Skyservant? Since I have a Do-28 with the idea of nicking it's engines for an updated Anson, the latter's period radials would be perfect for the "Twin Lizzie".
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A Grumman Wildcat lower fuselage grafted in with the wheels retracting just forward of the wing braces?
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A Grumman Wildcat lower fuselage grafted in with the wheels retracting just forward of the wing braces?
Or an F2F/F3F ---- I like that idea -- :)
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I'm good for ideas, just crap of converting them to plastic :(
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A Grumman Wildcat lower fuselage grafted in with the wheels retracting just forward of the wing braces?
Only if combined with the Pregnant Perch. ;D
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/LYSANDER_SPECIAL_03-1.jpg)
20mm on the gear legs ...
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/LYSANDER_SPECIAL_01.jpg)
and a turret.
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/LYSANDER_SPECIAL_02.jpg)
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One word; FLOATS ;)
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Wasn't there a study for a varaint with a Delange multi-wing set-up and a large power turret in the back?
My second thought would be the main gear retracting into stub wings with the wing struts tied to the outer ends of the stub wings, much as proposed for the Cessna 185RG.
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Wasn't there a study for a varaint with a Delange multi-wing set-up and a large power turret in the back?
Wikipedia identifies that version/variant of the Westland Lysander as the P.12 Lysander Delanne (later renamed Westland Wendover) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Lysander)
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Wasn't there a study for a varaint with a Delange multi-wing set-up and a large power turret in the back?
My second thought would be the main gear retracting into stub wings with the wing struts tied to the outer ends of the stub wings, much as proposed for the Cessna 185RG.
As was done on the Heston Phoenix and Kreider-Reisner XC-31.
(http://www.shu-aero.com/AeroPhotos_Shu_Aero/Aircraft_F/Heston/Heston_Phoenix_G_AEHJ_01_large.jpg)
(http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/051202-F-1234P-020.jpg)
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One word; FLOATS ;)
Beat me to it! :)
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Just came back from an LHS which mostly does trains, where I picked up a second hand Airfix Engine Shed model to find bits of a half-finished Lysander (and a rusty razor blade :o) in it. I was severely tempted to buy it, build the world's first STOL engine shed, and claim it was "straight out of the box".... ;D
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Wasn't there a study for a varaint with a Delange multi-wing set-up and a large power turret in the back?
My second thought would be the main gear retracting into stub wings with the wing struts tied to the outer ends of the stub wings, much as proposed for the Cessna 185RG.
As was done on the Heston Phoenix and Kreider-Reisner XC-31.
([url]http://www.shu-aero.com/AeroPhotos_Shu_Aero/Aircraft_F/Heston/Heston_Phoenix_G_AEHJ_01_large.jpg[/url])
([url]http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/051202-F-1234P-020.jpg[/url])
the Heston aircraft is about the right size but the XC-31 comes very close to what the AD folk at Cessna proposed. I could see that being done with a Lysander.
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Finnish Antitank version with 1 or 2 Bordkanone BK 3,7...
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I do like the idea of a Lysander with a Phoenix type undercarriage, a logical development indeed.
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Heh...makes me miss my metal plated Mark II Lysander kit Testors issued 3/4 of a lifetime ago.....
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(http://travelforaircraft.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/blog-p_dot_12-lysander-delanne-6215513724_007f4fed88_o.jpg)
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One word; FLOATS ;)
You were saying...one by our very own Apophenia:
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Mmmmmmmm, me likey!!! 8)
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How about a civilianised Canadian bush-plane version with either floats or the spatted wheels replaced by a pair of those oversized "bush wheels" (yes, I'm still thinking about those Piper Cubs... :-*)
You could extend the u/c strut to get the axle at the right height for the "naked" wheels and that would give you a wider track for landing on rough surfaces. Also maybe give it an American engine.
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The real retractable undercarriage Lizzie ideas:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ALT%20RAN%20FAA/lizzie2.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ALT%20RAN%20FAA/lizzie1.jpg)
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(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CAC23/raaflizzie.jpg)
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(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/MkI_zps157ad0a3.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/MkII_zps4f9419cf.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/P12_zpsa907be63.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/MkIIP9105_zpsde8f2a6a.jpg)
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Meanwhile, lurking at a ModelExpo comp a few years ago..
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1/5240_1222889614629_4957517_n.jpg)
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how about a retractable fuselage mounted cannon that could be swung/aimed by the observer through say 15-20deg port and starboard and down?
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If one looks just right at this it could almost be a Lysander with retractable undercarriage:
(https://yooniqimages.blob.core.windows.net/yooniqimages-data-storage-resizedimagefilerepository/Detail/21631/c117f8ca-ce38-4321-b76e-f537e3e7618e/YooniqImages_216314926.jpg)
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Modified exhaust collector rings on Perseus-powered RCAF Lysanders.
http://data2.archives.ca/ap/a/a072359-v8.jpg (http://data2.archives.ca/ap/a/a072359-v8.jpg)
http://data2.archives.ca/ap/a/a064243-v8.jpg (http://data2.archives.ca/ap/a/a064243-v8.jpg)
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/Lizxx.jpg (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/Lizxx.jpg)
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/LysanderCWH.jpg (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/LysanderCWH.jpg)
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/pilots.jpg (http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l23/chris7421/pilots.jpg)
Chris
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Random idea: Torpedo equipped Lysander. Perhaps an emergency lash up in the scenario of a German invasion of the UK?
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Random idea: Torpedo equipped Lysander. Perhaps an emergency lash up in the scenario of a German invasion of the UK?
If memory serves me correctly. Someone did a Lysander torpedo bomber variant on what-if modelers many years ago. Either as a model or it was some artwork.
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Random idea: Torpedo equipped Lysander. Perhaps an emergency lash up in the scenario of a German invasion of the UK?
Why not?
Its original requirements included AOP, CAS, interceptor and night fighter, why not add Torpedo bomber. Actually Dive bomber two?