Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: Daryl J. on April 20, 2013, 01:36:21 AM
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How about a Prowler-like EB-51 for the first Gulf War?
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Or an equivalent to the Canberra T.17A with its lumps and bumps:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/RAF_English_Electric_Canberra_T17A_Lofting-1.jpg/800px-RAF_English_Electric_Canberra_T17A_Lofting-1.jpg)
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Any of the B-57 users might prove to be a good B-51 operator. I for one plan to do a PAF B-51.
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I was thinking of a B-51E to fly in place of F-105s in the Vietnam War. J57s to replace the J47s and two Vulcan 30x113mm in the cheeks and a radar in the nose. With night attack capability similar to the A-6 lots of bombs and an awesome strafer. Flying NOE to avoid the MiGs and SAMs. With green-green-black wrap around schemes you could call them the Martin B-51E "Black Panther".
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Hmmmm...wild weasel Panther anyone?
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Kriegsmarine, Kormorans. (Daryl looks at his scratchbuilding skills and time availability :icon_crap: :icon_nif:)
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Rebooting this thread.
I have surplus J57s from my AMT EC-135N. So swap out the pods engines and leave the tail J47.
3x J47 = 15,600 lbs thrust
2x J57 + 1x J47 = 28,600 lbs thrust
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I wonder what a B-51 equivalent to the WB-57F would look like?
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After Martin XB-51 lost Light Tactical Bomber fly-off competition to Canberra, Martin selected to build the Canberra (designated B-57) under license. During early 1951 Martin Company offered new blended design that incorporated top features of British Canberra and its XB-51.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOgZSWXXEAElH6d?format=jpg&name=large)
Drawing by Erik Simonsen.
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Right on Carl :smiley:
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sometimes you can't beat the original.
Tho adding outboard missiles is too much.
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(https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/D5622AQESCsZCRbF96A/feedshare-shrink_800/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1725656464762?e=1728518400&v=beta&t=RS5W9PDEw8nTeQCKLX3jNqCbZ7SDLddlMi6wMxRsAcM)
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In the early 1950s, France was desperate for a two engine bomber. Great Britain had the English Electric Canberra, while the Soviet Union had the Ilyushin Il-28. France could not let themselves be without a comparable machine.
The SNCASO SO.4000 had disintegrated on its maiden flight in March of 1951 and there was no other design on French drafting tables that carried the same potential that it did.
Wanting something they could (more or less) call their own, rather than buying from someone else, a few SNCASO executives who had good connections to the Glenn L. Martin company were able to secure the blueprints and other technical data from the cancelled XB-51 program.
In January of 1953, a somewhat redesigned variation of the XB-51 made it's first flight in France.
Designated SNCASO SO.4050, the aircraft had slightly longer wings than the XB-51 and was powered by a pair of SNECMA Atar 101C engines. The Atars gave enough power that the third engine could be removed from the design.
The first pre-production aircraft debuted in 1954, with a pair of substantially more powerful Atar 101E engines driving them.
Aside of longer wings and a redesigned tail that replaced the original "T" tail of the XB-51 with an all moving horizontal stabilizer near the mid point of the tail fin, there wan't much to differentiate the SNCASO Vautour from the XB-51 externally.
Designing out the third engine gave the Vautour greater internal fuel volume while the Atar 101E engines gave it great speed and performance for the time.
The first French air force Vautour squadrons were active by 1956. By 1958, the aircraft was active in the Israeli air force.
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In the early 1950s, France was desperate for a two engine bomber. Great Britain had the English Electric Canberra, while the Soviet Union had the Ilyushin Il-28. France could not let themselves be without a comparable machine.
The SNCASO SO.4000 had disintegrated on its maiden flight in March of 1951 and there was no other design on French drafting tables that carried the same potential that it did.
Wanting something they could (more or less) call their own, rather than buying from someone else, a few SNCASO executives who had good connections to the Glenn L. Martin company were able to secure the blueprints and other technical data from the cancelled XB-51 program.
In January of 1953, a somewhat redesigned variation of the XB-51 made it's first flight in France.
Designated SNCASO SO.4050, the aircraft had slightly longer wings than the XB-51 and was powered by a pair of SNECMA Atar 101C engines. The Atars gave enough power that the third engine could be removed from the design.
The first pre-production aircraft debuted in 1954, with a pair of substantially more powerful Atar 101E engines driving them.
Aside of longer wings and a redesigned tail that replaced the original "T" tail of the XB-51 with an all moving horizontal stabilizer near the mid point of the tail fin, there wan't much to differentiate the SNCASO Vautour from the XB-51 externally.
Designing out the third engine gave the Vautour greater internal fuel volume while the Atar 101E engines gave it great speed and performance for the time.
The first French air force Vautour squadrons were active by 1956. By 1958, the aircraft was active in the Israeli air force.
I always thought the Vautour was based on the Martin 'Super Canberra' . . .
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/martin-m-272b-super-canberra.8018/ (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/martin-m-272b-super-canberra.8018/)
cheers,
Robin.