Beyond The Sprues
Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Aero-space => Topic started by: tc2324 on March 29, 2013, 06:46:10 PM
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And what extended WWII alternate history GB could be without an.....
AMERIKA BOMBER entry.....
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Loosely based on the Heinkel He 277 design you will note the Me 262 kit sitting on top. My plan is for a bomber using the old SAC saying, (although slightly changed in this case), `4 turning, 2 burning`.
The last couple of builds have not had my usual WIP, but I felt in this case input from you guys on how to proceed or come up with ideas that I have not would be benificial.
So over to you.
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With you on concept all the way. Have same kit and been considering same/similar kinda build. :)
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And so the interesting, albeit slightly tedious task, of measuring up starts.....
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With you on concept all the way. Have same kit and been considering same/similar kinda build. :)
Lets hope my effort inspires you or warns you of any hidden `dangers`..... ;)
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Fully stocked on popcorn and beer, you may proceed sir 8)
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Great idea and I like where this is going :)
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Excellent!
you know, I am surprised we don't have more B-36esque builds-- the layout, idea, and kind of bastardized style makes it seem like a whif as it is, and its a concept easily understood by everyone...
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An ÜberGriefs with a parasite Me-262? This is gonna be good :)
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Will this be a He-177 Zwilling? :)
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I'd say it's more likely that he's going for a He274 or He277 development; but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
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So after the slight diversion of the retro British jet design, it`s back to the Amerika bomber.
Surgery has already begun and as you can see from the first picture we now have a 4, (or is that 8?), engined bomber. (With SWMBO on a retail theropy trip I have used the hob so the plastic shows up better).
Work on extending the fuselage will begin shortly, but for the purpose of my next question I have just taped it together.
Now again in the first picture, you will see the two jet engines on the wing tips as I originally had planned. However this looks a bit too odd to me now so in the second picture I have placed one under the wing, futher inside so that it clears the aileron`s. The third picture is a little more radical and shows them attached to the fuselage, (tba), which was a feature of the Junkers Ju 287.
As always, opinions welcome.
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Looking good. Really nice work on the wing.
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Looking good. Really nice work on the wing.
I agree, nice cuts!
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I like the design with the jets under the wing as opposed to wing tips or sides (never could see this) ... Great job your doing here !!!
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Big bombers are a favorite. Glad to see these pictures. The four engines look like they always been there :)
"Great job your doing here !!!" goes for me too.
Under wing jets - yes. Though,,, being its WW2 German, B-51 style jet mountings front or rear might look more like Luft 46. As said: "might".
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Beautiful!!! I can see the podded jets either under the wings or along the fuselage sides; either way would fit with other Luft '46 designs. I'm inclined to pitch for under the wing as ISTR that only Junkers did the along the fuselage approach (Ju-287 et al.).
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Cheers for the views chaps. Have to say it`s quite interesting to view the replies. It seems a majority of members on your standard modelling sites have gone for the under mid wing look which is the most convensional and realistic look. However when you go to the dedicated whif forums, a majority seems to go for the `bolted to the fuselage somewhere` look as this is more in keeping with a Luft 46 look. Ultimately, I`m still divided.
This morning I managed to extend the fuselage but changed my mind about extending the aft section. Other than finding it difficult to find a `seamless` join point, I want to give this aircraft a tricycle u/c and don`t really want to effect the CoG too much by adding a section to the rear.
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Regarding the jet engine locations, I'll have to revise my earlier comment, Heinkel designers did both, under the wing and attached to the fuselage. Perhaps you should install them like the aft engines here: http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/hep1068c.html (http://www.luft46.com/heinkel/hep1068c.html). If nothing else, that'd keep the intakes in clean airflow and drastically reduce the chances of FOD. I quite like your extension. If you put the jet engines on the fuselage in roughly the same relationship to the wing as in the design I referenced above, you should be able to keep the CG where it needs to be in relation to the wing quarter-chord line.
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Love these stretches :)
Evan: Just to clarify, you're only talking about the rearmost of the engines on the P.1068.01, right?
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Right, the ones on the upper fuselage.
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Thanks for the input Elmayerle, and the link as well..... :)
I did consider that position for the jets but ruled it out because the wash from the props may effect the air intake? Also they may effect the aim of the remote turrets if raise too high to clear the prop wash??
What do you think?
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Mount them at 10:30 & 1:30 position so jet exhaust is above tail wing goes by sides of rudder.
With jets raised and back aways on fuselage propwash is not an issue on styrene aircraft. ;)
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Mount them at 10:30 & 1:30 position so jet exhaust is above tail wing goes by sides of rudder.
With jets raised and back aways on fuselage propwash is not an issue on styrene aircraft. ;)
Those angles will work and mounted close to the wing trailing edge, as on that design a referenced, you should be far enough forward that the prop wash wouldn't have spread enough to cause inlet distortion, unless you have long pylons.
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I'd mount them at the rear of the fuselage and make this baby a T-tail, like a Vickers VC10.
Whatever you end up doing, this one's going to be fun to watch!
Brian da Basher
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Well, after a good long think and taking in everyone's view`s, I think I will have to go with option 2 and the under mid-wing pods.
I really really wanted to fit them to the fuselage somewhere, but the options were very limited. Placed anywhere forward of the wing leading edge the jet exhaust gasses would probably get in the way of the props and vise versa if you placed them anywhere behind the leading edge.
Most of the designs I`ve looked at involving jet engines attached to the fuselage were `pure` jet designs anyway which probably tells us it`s own story.
Started work on the cockpit so hope to post some wip pics shortly.
Thanks for all the input chaps.
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Nearly finished on a very `cluttered` cockpit section. (I should of gone to Specsavers.......) :D
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Sweet interior - WOW :)
One day - perhaps and maybe - I will build an interior half as nice.
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You have some mad detailing skills!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks guys. :)
Time to start putting this thing together.
First pic shows the use of my old friend `Spare Sprue` in helping me give the fuselage halves something to hang onto. The second shot is a general shot of the main fuselage parts loosely put together to show size and concept. As expected, it`s a tad large....! :D
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Now thats an ingenious solution to getting the extra pair of props...and it turns it into an eight-engined
bomber in the bargin! ( I tried my hand at an He 277 a few years ago. It turned out ok, but I just
never got around to the final details.)
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So here`s where I start to `deviate` from what some of you may have been imagining this will turn out like. I started work on the u/c bays which as you can see would have been the bomb bay. Thats right, I`m giving this the B-47 treatment with out riggers placed under the inner pair of props. This means that the design will have space for more, and bigger fuel tanks, that can be placed the fuselage and wings with the weapon load hanging from a pylon on the wings.
Obviously I don`t want to do easy....... >:D
One slight hiccup you can make out in the following picture is the slight gap between the front bomb bay section and the rest of the fuselage. Obviously theres a slight `kink` but it`s not really noticeable and the gap can be filled in easily enough.
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i like where this is going 8)
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What Nils said ! :)
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Cheers guys. :)
Scratchbuilt u/c now pretty much complete, concept layout looks like this.
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:)
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Between concept, build details, photos, am so much enjoying your kitbash. :)
Undercarriage & bays are a WOW on their own. :o
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Scratchbuilt u/c now pretty much complete, concept layout looks like this.
Too cool! :)
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tc2324, looking very good so far,
I would like to suggest somethings-
1-I expect you have already decided where to put the jet engines, if not, then how about in the rear of the outboard engine nacelles, like the Shackleton MR.Mk.3 phase II? Are the Jets to be used for take off only?
2-Weapon(S) found this earlier-
http://mundosgm.com/discusion-general/wunderwaffen-la-bomba-atomica-nazi/ (http://mundosgm.com/discusion-general/wunderwaffen-la-bomba-atomica-nazi/)
A Spanish site, third way down is an He-177 carrying a nuclear bomb & further down is an image of other nuclear weapons that may be of use.
3-I think you said, fuel inside, bombs outside. If I may suggest, swap it round,
Bomb(S) internally with external drop tanks that can discarded on the way to the target.
4-Undercarriage. Try this, normal He-177 main gear & nose Gear, with an additional droppable wheeled dolly placed under the fuselage with RATO bottles attached, so the fuselage wont sag under the huge weight of fuel & weapons.
Anyway those are my suggestions,
What do you think?
Ken...
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Thanks for the comments chaps and I`m glad this seems to go down well with you all. I`ve connected all the main bits together now, just waiting for them to dry.
Ken, thanks for the link, some good stuff on that site. Just wished you had posted some of them ideas earlier as I`m too far down the line to incorparate any of them now. However to answer some of your questions, the jet engines will now be `podded` onto the outer wings and they are there not only to assist on take off but to also add some speed if needed during flight. I have however envisaged them to be switch off during the long transit flight to save fuel. I`m also going for a conventional payload as an atomic attack isn`t suited to the the GB criteria. I think the bomb / u/c issue is six of one and half a dozen of the other. Being a whiffer I wanted to go in another direction with the look so it stands out and isn`t just `another` standard Amerika bomber build you find on the internet. All great suggestions though. :)
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tc2324 If I may, I've got some short questions for you,
1-Target?
Will it be New York? It seems that every Amerika bomber will aim for NYC, how about Halifax NS, or Portsmouth (New Hampshire) shipyard just to be different instead?
I looked up on Google Earth, the direct route from Cherbourg to New York crosses over Halifax Nova Scotia & gives a one-way distance of 2,939 nautical miles, or 5,878nm round trip.
2-Weapons?
According to Wikipedia, The He277 Amerika bomber could only carry "up to 3,000 kg (6,612 lb) of disposable stores for Amerika Bomber trans-Atlantic missions, maximum of 5,600 kg (12,345 lb) internally for shorter ranges, up to 4,300 km (2,670 mile) combat radius w/maximum bomb load"
A Fritz X has a weight of 3000lb (1,362kg) so by rights your A/B could only carry two weapons, both under-wing.
OR a trio of Hs293's as they weigh in at 2300lb (1,045kg) instead.
Why anti-shipping missiles I hear you ask & not free-fall bombs? The ASM's modified for surface attack are sort of stand-off weapons, so your A/B doesn't have to overfly its main target.
But here's another thought, why not have a pair of Fiesler Fi 103's under wing as they weigh 4,700lb (2,150kg) each (9400lb/4,300kg) & launch them near to target, or a pair of unmanned Bachem 349's (4921lb/2,232kg) under wing, radio controlled or just fired off 35-40 miles from target.
3-Unit?
KG 200?
4-what to do with the left overs?
As an Amerika Bomber needs about 4,478us gal (16,950l) fuel to give a range of 6900m (11,100km) why not make an Inflight refueller to top up on the outbound leg & a top up to get home.
If you have a back story to go with your wonderful creation, I would suggest The departure point could be on the Cherbourg peninsula, as its well away from RAF interference.
Well that's by thoughts, what say you?
Ken...
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Ken, your killing me..., you gotta leave me some ideas for my back story.... ;D
To answer your questions,
1. Anywhere on the eastern seaboard
2. Got my free fall bombs planned already although the glide bombs/missiles idea is very cool. Might be a bit too modern though?
3. tba
4. Always planned for the Germans to have invaded the Azores early on in the what if WWII GB. So that should help out on some of the combat range issues.
You have some great ideas there backed up with data, some of which I`m going to `borrow`. ;) :)
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Is the landing gear from the kit? It looks great. The whole build looks fantastic.
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Is the landing gear from the kit? It looks great. The whole build looks fantastic.
Cheers Frank, yes the gear is all from the kit. Tried to only use stuff in the box..., but you will read below, I had to go into the spares...
So, to overcome the problem of the props avoiding eachother I went for the longer inner engine nacelles. Dwelving into the spares box I came out with a couple of 1/48 scale F-14 burner cans and a couple of 1/72 scale B-17 exhaust rings.
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A little of the old tc magic and I came out with this....,
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Ok, they aren`t pretty, but it`s the best I could do with what I had to play with.
Here`s where I am now overall and you will note that I have also raised the main u/c as that was a bit too low as well. I`m getting there.
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Simply fantastic work you've got going on here. Looking forward to further progress pics.
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Fantastic ... !!!
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your prop solution is too conventional -- what's wrong with geared, inter-meshed blades like the Husky helo ?? ;D That's just the sort of thing Heinkel would have done.
Is it too late to add just a little rake to the main gears like the original ?
Coming along very nicely -- what's the colour scheme going to be ?
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Cheers chaps. :)
raafif, I wanted to go with the gears idea too, until someone asked what would happen if one of the props had to be feathered.... :o ;)
As for colours, I`m thinking some kind of night scheme. :)
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raafif, I wanted to go with the gears idea too, until someone asked what would happen if one of the props had to be feathered.... :o ;)
Damn practicality !! surely it can dump the bombs & still fly on just the 2 engines on the other wing ? :icon_nif: ............. I want to have a go at the inter-mesh idea sometime >:D
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If you do go for it raafif, you will get the :) from me.
Some people have been asking about the scheme. I was thinking about something along the lines of this....,
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... but as always, I`m happy for further input.
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I think that night scheme would be perfect, tc!
Brian da Basher
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I really love that black scheme. It reminded me of the MPC/Airfix kit I had when it was first available. I think it was the boxart of the kit I bought. Those big bombers really look good in it.
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Cheers guys. :)
Today`s small update.
Jumo engines and bomb pylon/rack now attached. Will mask off shortly and then break out the filler.
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Today I have a couple of update piccies with most parts dry fitted. Outriggers have now been `made`. Clear canopy parts are now stuck in place. (Mask ordered as quite frankly I couldn`t be bothered cutting that much tape up and for £4, will save me a bit of stress).
I also scribbed, although not that well, a new flap placement line under the wings by the Jumo`s as the engine placement now overlapes the original ones. Note to self, buy a scribe tool. Filled in what was left of the old line. To be honest, unless you look for it, your not going to notice when the black goes on.
The Jumo joins to the wings are also complete after sanding and the two turrets are now on. Just waiting now for the forementioned mask and some black paint and then the real fun begins.
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And this sir is a beast of beauty. :)
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What's the plan for the tail gun position?
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And this sir is a beast of beauty. :)
Thank you kindly. :)
What's the plan for the tail gun position?
I`ve kept the tail gun the same as an earlier version of the 177. I thought about putting the turret on, but then I started thinking about weight, transit time to target, fuel consumption, so I thought it best to go with the basic look.
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My compliments, that's growing into a truly beautiful design.
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Really nice
Certainly looking the goods to my eye
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This brings to mind what if Consolidated had used the B-32 Dominator as the basis for the B-36 Peacemaker instead of starting from scratch.
Looks very plausible!
Brian da Basher
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This has turned out to be a very impressive project and quite convincing. I still think it would look just as menacing without the jet engines though :)
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Thanks for all the nice comments guys. Frustratingly I`m still awaiting the canopy mask before any paint goes on. >:(
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You're smart to be patient, tc! I don't blame you for not wanting to try to paint all that framing by hand.
Another thought if the masks give you trouble is to use decal strips.
Brian da Basher
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Cheers Brian. As it happened the mask was pretty much perfect and the paint is now on.
Used the old wriggly Blu Tak method, hope you like.
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That's lovely! Well done, keep up the great work!
Cheers,
Logan
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Coming along very nicely.
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That's a very striking night scheme!
Brian da Basher
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That's a very striking night scheme!
Brian da Basher
Agreed!! wow!
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Cheers chaps.
Got most of the major componets together now, gave it a gloss coat, decals on and then a matt coat and wash. Still have to fix the out riggers, they just don`t seem to want to stay in place. Just some finishing touches, then the back story and then the finished piccies.
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:)
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Quite a stunner, tc! I love how the colors on the scheme work so well with the markings, and how the red spinners set off the whole model!
Well done!!!
Brian da Basher
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Agree with the others. Great job, lovely model!
Cheers,
Logan
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Gods! I just know someone's going to jump on me for this but here goes... :icon_crap:
I really love the build! :D
...However...
The paint job only rates "nice" for me (sorry) :-[
My preference would have been for closer to 50/50 grey/black, so that it more resembled the Heinkel scheme you posted earlier. ???
Still rates as Bl@@dy Good over-all, though, & the difference is merely a personal preference - don't mean nothin'! :)
Cheers!
Guy
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I have to agree with Old Wambat. Fantastic build but that is not a scheme on my favorites list. However,its your build and if you are happy then I'm happy for you. I also got to add, once you got the decals on it and the red spinners it does look very good.
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Beautiful!! I love the execution of the color scheme, not sure I'd chose the same but it works and it's beacutifully done.
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Well at least the Allied code name for this aircraft is sorted out for my backstory now...., `Marmite`. You either love it or hate it...... ;D
Cheers for all the comments chaps and obviously no offense taken at all. I knew the paint job would be open to conjuncture, but it was the best I could do with limited blu tak and rattle cans. ;)
Just working on the finishing touches on this one now. Things like the pitot, Ariel, crew hatch, and if the weather holds, which knowing my luck it won`t, finished piccies by the end of the week.
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You put a lot styrene engineering into Amerika Bomber. :) Combo of fuselage & wing stretch are balanced and realistic looking. Has that post war big bomber look. Can also picture it in SAC silver/white.
With finishing touches of markings and red spinners its appearance pulls together. Squiggly camo lines do squiggle ones eyes around on surface. Perhaps messing with aircraft ID and fighter pilot aim.
Wing stretch has had me looking at wings to try that on something. Impressive job on landing gear alteration :)
Amerika Bomber posts done learnt me stuff. I like it.
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Really nicely done! I love the camo! :)
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Well, like a London bus, you wait ages for one, then two come at once...
Here`s the back story and finished pics. Enjoy.
The people of New York were going about their business, some emerging from Broadway shows, while others are leaving bars and heading home. The night sky was clear of cloud with a moderate breeze blowing towards the Atlantic Ocean. The time was approximately 11.03pm and the date February 18th 1945.
The United States and her Allies had been at war with Germany and her Axis allies for just under a year now. The US had maintained a steady retreat in the Pacific which had halted at Midway which was still technically under siege from the Japanese Navy. In Europe Britain had halted the advance of Hitler`s forces, although this was mainly down to the English channel and the natural defence it provided for the British Isles. At this time, an air battle is taking place with new generation jet fighter technology and the British are holding their own. America is pumping men, supplies and fighting forces into Britain to bolster Britain`s defences with the US 8th Air Force soon to take delivery of their very own jet aircraft to join the battle.
But for now, on this bright but chilly night, in one of America`s major east coast cities, this World War seems a very long way away.
The air raid siren sounds. People look at each other. A drill at this time of night? It must be a mistake? It takes people totally unaware. It`s almost as if the city stands still, motionless for a second or two, while it tries to take in the meaning of the alarm. Almost un-noticed to many, a distant drone of engines can just be heard and starts getting louder. Almost on queue the search lights flicker on and start searching the sky. Panic finally arrives on the streets as residents start running this way and that trying to remember where the nearest shelter can be found. Seconds later, the city`s anti-aircraft batteries start shooting skywards and the orange and yellow puffs of exploding light can be seen for miles around.
A police officer is blowing his whistle and marshalling people to the shelter on the junction of Sixth Avenue and Canal Street. Two bright flashes followed by two dull thuds direct his attention towards Lower Manhattan. For the surviving residents of Warren Street and Chambers Street, flame, heat and debris are all they can see.
Now ten miles back out to sea over the Atlantic, the black shadow that is the Heinkel He 377 gains altitude for the long flight back to its home base in the Azores. It has dropped its two 3000lbs bombs within its designated target area. They can only hope that they scored a direct hit on City Hall. Germany has proven that it can now bring the war to the American homeland, although how easy the next mission will be is anyone’s guess?
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Fantastic! That really came together. Well done!
Cheers,
Logan
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looks menacing, would not like to be on the recieving end of that thing.
great work 8)
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Cheers guys. :) Went for a more fictional novel back story than than a `just the facts` one.
Actually seemed to flow better without adding all the facts and figures when writing it and leaving details to the readers imagination. ;)