Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2013, 10:41:19 AM
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Hi folks,
A thread for your Shenyang J-8 Ideas and Inspiration.
To begin with, I was looking at photo of one in the all white scheme and thought " what about that as a Canadian competitor to the AVRO Arrow?"
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Jian-8FighterChina.jpg)
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Well, a few thoughts occur to me:
- Inlet-mounted canards of decent size
- Reduced sweep outboard leading edges, much like the later F-7s; if done with a straight trailing edge, this could allow wingtip missile rails
- Single-engined version with one large engine (like that in the J-10 or so)
- Export multi-role version for Pakistan and others
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One of Trumpeter's J-8D's hit Ye Olde Oversyzed C'llection for the specific purposes of What If modeling.
I was going to go the other direction rather than the usual where the Chinese copy and redevelop something Soviet. In this scenario, the Russians significantly redo the J-8 as a high speed interceptor. Redo the tail shape into something rooskie-ish, two belly tanks, and two rather large and very fast looking missiles underwing. It will be, for lack of a better illustration, an alternative Su-15 Flagon.
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One of Trumpeter's J-8D's hit Ye Olde Oversyzed C'llection for the specific purposes of What If modeling.
I was going to go the other direction rather than the usual where the Chinese copy and redevelop something Soviet. In this scenario, the Russians significantly redo the J-8 as a high speed interceptor. Redo the tail shape into something rooskie-ish, two belly tanks, and two rather large and very fast looking missiles underwing. It will be, for lack of a better illustration, an alternative Su-15 Flagon.
Perhaps a pair of R-33's, as fitted underneath MiG-31s, under the wings? With smaller, shorter-range, AAM's outboard of them?
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Perhaps a pair of R-33's, as fitted underneath MiG-31s, under the wings? With smaller, shorter-range, AAM's outboard of them?
Yes. Precisely.
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Seeing as it is more or less a Chinese continuation of the twin-engined MiG Ye-152A/Mig-23 Flipper concept, basically an enlarged Mig 21, why not give it big-ass wingtip mounted missiles ala the Ye-152M?
(http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/e/152/a/images/e152as.jpg)
(http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/e/152/m/images/152ms.jpg)
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The Flipper?? I'd never quite put that together. :-[ :icon_crap: :icon_surprised:
That give some food for thought................ ;)
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Does anyone produce a 1/48 kit of the J-8 Finback-A?
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7268/01shenyangj8finback9.jpg)
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My copy of PAK-20 says yes, a Chinese company called 'AA', kit numbers 48004 & 48005 (this one is a 2nd generation Finback). Started in 1999 and the book says maybe ex-Minicraft although I can only find Mig-21's in that list,
which Hannants stock apparently
http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?manufacturer_id=7868 (http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?manufacturer_id=7868)
But then again, isn't that a J-7 ?
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Well, a few thoughts occur to me:
- Inlet-mounted canards of decent size
- Reduced sweep outboard leading edges, much like the later F-7s; if done with a straight trailing edge, this could allow wingtip missile rails
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Sounds good. :) Looks good, too, I think.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/J8-fighter_zpsea367b2c.gif)
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My copy of PAK-20 says yes, a Chinese company called 'AA', kit numbers 48004 & 48005 (this one is a 2nd generation Finback). Started in 1999 and the book says maybe ex-Minicraft although I can only find Mig-21's in that list,
which Hannants stock apparently
[url]http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?manufacturer_id=7868[/url] ([url]http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?manufacturer_id=7868[/url])
But then again, isn't that a J-7 ?
I think AA only produce the version with the side intakes and not the original version with the nose intake.
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The canards and double delta wing look good. :)
A further tweek might be to have fixed F-18 style strakes above each intake, which would improve their high AOA performance, and mount the canards to those, which would have the advantage of putting them on a longer moment arm relative to the C of G.
As a Western 1960s interceptor (i.e. the Canadian Arrow-competitor idea) you could give it a two-seat cockpit, with a RIO in the rear seat. Looks like there's plenty of room, and a Tornado canopy should be about right. Alternatively, a 2-seat Su-15 one would also be about right, and you could always plunder the cheap PM kit for one of those.
How about fitting it with a big, tailless delta or double-delta wing, possibly a second seat, and British missiles, and passing it off as a Fairey-designed interceptor that evolved from the FD.2?
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Anything done to the Su 15 could be applied to the J-8II.
(http://www.airvectors.net/avsu15_09.png)
(http://www.airvectors.net/avsu15_11.png)
(http://www.airvectors.net/avsu15_12.png)
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Good to know.
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Stealthy Finback, anyone?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUR1MPRWsAAMZPc?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUR1NHOWoAE_0ao?format=jpg&name=large)
SOURCE (https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1244248638462754816)
There's even a carrier-based version:
(https://wx4.sinaimg.cn/mw690/a1629fbbly1gddbcjy16qj21900u0e83.jpg)