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Modelling => Group and Themed Builds => Canadian GB => Topic started by: MAT on August 03, 2026, 07:30:09 PM

Title: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on August 03, 2026, 07:30:09 PM
I will build the danish F-104G i the grey paint, the planes carried before the SM67 green.
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: Kerick on August 04, 2026, 03:52:51 AM
Very nice!
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: apophenia on August 04, 2026, 04:58:21 AM
Excellent! Book-end twins  ;D

This is going to be cool  :smiley: :smiley:
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Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on September 10, 2026, 10:51:37 PM
At last some progress. Real-world can be very disturbing
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: apophenia on September 11, 2026, 04:49:33 AM
Looking good  :smiley:

At last some progress. Real-world can be very disturbing

Agreed ... both disruptive and very disturbing  :o
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on September 11, 2026, 05:08:56 AM
I forgot to write, that the kit is FineMold's F-104J
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on September 23, 2026, 08:52:39 PM
Time for painting
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: apophenia on September 24, 2026, 04:03:52 AM
Time for painting

Looking appropriately slick  :smiley:
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on September 28, 2026, 05:01:11 PM
Now putting some paint on the Starfighter
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on October 18, 2026, 02:33:13 AM
The CF-104 is now painted, the Martin-Baker seats installed and its time for putting on the decals
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: Kerick on October 18, 2026, 05:04:55 AM
Very nice!
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: apophenia on October 18, 2026, 09:34:03 AM
Very nice!

Indeed. And a very dramatic scheme  :smiley:

Looking forward to the decals!
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: Kerick on October 18, 2026, 10:01:23 AM
IIRC the reason the Starfighter used to have the wings painted white was because the testing was done in the southern California desert. The intense sunlight was causing components in the wings, hydraulics I believe, to overheat so the solution was to paint the wings white. This got written into the regs and Starfighters were painted that way no matter where they were based. This seems to have gotten changed in European service. It’s a good story anyway.
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: apophenia on October 19, 2026, 09:24:33 AM
Interesting ... I'd never heard that story about the origin of white-winged Starfighters before.

At any rate the RCAF originally followed suit on bare-metal airframes - gloss white uppers with grey undersides. Then they all got resprayed in dark camouflage uppers ... go figure!
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: Kerick on October 19, 2026, 11:09:22 AM
I read up on it a little and it was hydraulic o rings and seals that would leak from getting too hot. But that was really only a problem in southern areas. So places like Canada and Europe were naturally cool enough for it to not be a problem. It just took some time to change the T. O.s to allow different colors. Perhaps someone thought of getting seals from another supplier that could stand the heat!
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on October 23, 2026, 07:40:43 AM
Another thing about the colours of the danish F-104s. According to a mechanic, who worked on the planes, the light grey was the same colour, that was used on CAF CF-101 Voodoos.
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: apophenia on October 23, 2026, 10:12:31 AM
I read up on it a little and it was hydraulic o rings and seals that would leak from getting too hot. But that was really only a problem in southern areas. So places like Canada and Europe were naturally cool enough for it to not be a problem. It just took some time to change the T. O.s to allow different colors. Perhaps someone thought of getting seals from another supplier that could stand the heat!

That makes sense, Ken. CFTOs have also been a bit on the conservative side (and followed USAF TOs quite carefully).

Another thing about the colours of the danish F-104s. According to a mechanic, who worked on the planes, the light grey was the same colour, that was used on CAF CF-101 Voodoos.

Interesting, MAT. That is an odd one. As Carl (The Big Gimper) has noted elsewhere:

"When [Voodoos] went through Depot Level Inspection and Repair (DLIR) at Bristol Aerospace in Winnipeg, they were repainted with Alumigrip AA 92-A-312 gloss light grey."

So ... a minor mystery as to why those RDAF Starfighters ever ended up in 'Voodoo Grey'  8)
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on October 23, 2026, 05:52:18 PM
I read up on it a little and it was hydraulic o rings and seals that would leak from getting too hot. But that was really only a problem in southern areas. So places like Canada and Europe were naturally cool enough for it to not be a problem. It just took some time to change the T. O.s to allow different colors. Perhaps someone thought of getting seals from another supplier that could stand the heat!

That makes sense, Ken. CFTOs have also been a bit on the conservative side (and followed USAF TOs quite carefully).

Another thing about the colours of the danish F-104s. According to a mechanic, who worked on the planes, the light grey was the same colour, that was used on CAF CF-101 Voodoos.

Interesting, MAT. That is an odd one. As Carl (The Big Gimper) has noted elsewhere:

"When [Voodoos] went through Depot Level Inspection and Repair (DLIR) at Bristol Aerospace in Winnipeg, they were repainted with Alumigrip AA 92-A-312 gloss light grey."

So ... a minor mystery as to why those RDAF Starfighters ever ended up in 'Voodoo Grey'  8)

The mechanic gave the colour as FS26515. Could that be Alumigrip AA 92-A-312 gloss light grey?
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 23, 2026, 06:58:15 PM
I read up on it a little and it was hydraulic o rings and seals that would leak from getting too hot. But that was really only a problem in southern areas. So places like Canada and Europe were naturally cool enough for it to not be a problem. It just took some time to change the T. O.s to allow different colors. Perhaps someone thought of getting seals from another supplier that could stand the heat!

That makes sense, Ken. CFTOs have also been a bit on the conservative side (and followed USAF TOs quite carefully).

Another thing about the colours of the danish F-104s. According to a mechanic, who worked on the planes, the light grey was the same colour, that was used on CAF CF-101 Voodoos.

Interesting, MAT. That is an odd one. As Carl (The Big Gimper) has noted elsewhere:

"When [Voodoos] went through Depot Level Inspection and Repair (DLIR) at Bristol Aerospace in Winnipeg, they were repainted with Alumigrip AA 92-A-312 gloss light grey."

So ... a minor mystery as to why those RDAF Starfighters ever ended up in 'Voodoo Grey'  8)

The mechanic gave the colour as FS26515. Could that be Alumigrip AA 92-A-312 gloss light grey?


I was that mechanic.  ;D

One light gloss grey paint aka Alumigrip AA 92-A-312 to rule them all!

(https://www.scalehobbyist.com/images/products/TES/TES00002039/TES00002039_0_l.jpg)
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 23, 2026, 07:02:57 PM
IIRC the reason the Starfighter used to have the wings painted white was because the testing was done in the southern California desert. The intense sunlight was causing components in the wings, hydraulics I believe, to overheat so the solution was to paint the wings white. This got written into the regs and Starfighters were painted that way no matter where they were based. This seems to have gotten changed in European service. It’s a good story anyway.

I did not know this!  ???
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on October 23, 2026, 07:53:22 PM
I was that mechanic.  ;D

One light gloss grey paint aka Alumigrip AA 92-A-312 to rule them all!
My source was a mechanic in RDAF
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 23, 2026, 09:10:04 PM
I was that mechanic.  ;D

One light gloss grey paint aka Alumigrip AA 92-A-312 to rule them all!
My source was a mechanic in RDAF

Please tell him I like his choice of paints.

My background is I was an armorer in the CAF. I worked on the Voodoo when I was with 409 SQN. I loaded both the AIM-4D and AIR-2A.
So Voodoo grey is my favourite colour.

Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on October 26, 2026, 06:51:48 PM
Paint and decals done - Finished!
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: apophenia on October 27, 2026, 09:10:27 AM
Paint and decals done - Finished!

Very nice  :smiley:  And almost nothing left here of that SM67 green! (Love how the wing roundels got masked off as squares - makes for a very interesting look.)
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on October 27, 2026, 03:20:23 PM
Paint and decals done - Finished!

Very nice  :smiley:  And almost nothing left here of that SM67 green! (Love how the wing roundels got masked off as squares - makes for a very interesting look.)
The plane is painted as it looked in 1965, while serving with ESK 726 at Aalborg Air Base. The SM/67 paint was introduced in 1967, though it took some years before every plane had been repainted, as you can see in this picture. The plane in front is in the old paint scheme, while two of the planes behind it, had been repainted
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: Kerick on October 28, 2026, 01:33:44 AM
Paint and decals done - Finished!

Sweet! The two colors plus the NMF really work.
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: apophenia on October 28, 2026, 06:00:33 AM
The plane is painted as it looked in 1965, while serving with ESK 726 at Aalborg Air Base. The SM/67 paint was introduced in 1967, though it took some years before every plane had been repainted, as you can see in this picture. The plane in front is in the old paint scheme, while two of the planes behind it, had been repainted

Oh, okay. So, what I am (mis)reading as green is actually a darker-toned unpainted metal?
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: MAT on October 28, 2026, 06:52:25 PM
The plane is painted as it looked in 1965, while serving with ESK 726 at Aalborg Air Base. The SM/67 paint was introduced in 1967, though it took some years before every plane had been repainted, as you can see in this picture. The plane in front is in the old paint scheme, while two of the planes behind it, had been repainted

Oh, okay. So, what I am (mis)reading as green is actually a darker-toned unpainted metal?

Could be because of the lighting in my improvised desktop photo studio  ;D
Title: Re: CF-104 RDAF R-345
Post by: Claymore on November 06, 2026, 07:24:28 PM
 Another beautiful job - a veritable bouquet of F-104s.  :-*