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Title: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Buzzbomb on September 21, 2013, 04:03:30 PM
Love the John Birmingham Axis of Time Trilogy books.. alternate future whiffer fodder galore.
Previously done a couple of other models based on craft in those books.. time for my favourite Ship
HMS Trident - Trimaran Stealth  Destroyer.
So armed with a cheapo 1/700 ship from a swap and sell as the main hull basis.. away we go
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident1.jpg)
The ship is described as havinga sleek superstructure so a bit of card bashing. A couple of $8 1/1250 ships had to be sacrificed as well.. because.. I am lazy and I want full hulls as the book describes it having three engines to give it the 100 knot speed it can achieve.
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident2.jpg)
Working on the hangars.. gotta have choppers.
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident3.jpg)
Anybody have a 1/700 Merlin Helo ?

So this may be either a quick build or a shelf queen as it is my first ship major conversion/scratchbuild.
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Camthalion on September 21, 2013, 04:34:19 PM
very cool.  I'll keep an eye on this one. 
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 22, 2013, 03:51:58 AM
Love the John Birmingham Axis of Time Trilogy books.. alternate future whiffer fodder galore.


Seconded!!  Would love to do the USS Hilary Clinton with Sea Raptors one day.

Looking forward to this build.
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: kengeorge on September 22, 2013, 06:39:58 AM
Looking good so far, though I thought HMS Trident had NH-90 helicopters and not Merlins?
I have the other two books, Designated targets & Final impact but not the first one, so I have a question, does Weapons of choice describe HMS Trident (apart from being a trimaran)?
Length,beam,armament,etc?
IF it does could you put the description on here, as I would like to try and do a profile of her

Thanks in advance,

Ken
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Buzzbomb on September 22, 2013, 07:59:32 AM
Looking good so far, though I thought HMS Trident had NH-90 helicopters and not Merlins?
I have the other two books, Designated targets & Final impact but not the first one, so I have a question, does Weapons of choice describe HMS Trident (apart from being a trimaran)?
Length,beam,armament,etc?
IF it does could you put the description on here, as I would like to try and do a profile of her

Thanks in advance,

Ken


Ken, probably right on the Helo's.. it was a throwaway line, as the kit I have has Oceanhawks.
As far as an outright technical description, I cannot recall it, but I am doing a quick rescan of the book to find out more about deck layout.
In fact you will probably find that by the time this is finished will probably be somewhat different in structure and layout.
Pretty much I am making this up as I go along using snippets in the book to give some hints every now an again.

There is someones version of the Trident on the Quiet Room wiki
(http://quietroom.wikispaces.com/file/view/RelentlessDestroyer.jpg/344611768/RelentlessDestroyer.jpg)

I am looking to create something like this
(http://defense-update.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/klewang_2.jpg)

with a bit of this
(http://www.tech.plym.ac.uk/sme/mats231/images/visbystor.jpg)

Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 22, 2013, 08:11:55 AM
Slight off topic:  interestingly, there is a trimaran serving in Australian service right now (and has been since 2007):

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image_zps54454b1e.jpg)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: ChernayaAkula on September 22, 2013, 08:54:12 AM
Looking great so far!  :)

Have a look at THIS ISSUE (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TGYEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=twopage&q&f=false) of Popular Mechanics on Google Books. From page 72 onward there's an article on trimaran warships.
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Volkodav on September 22, 2013, 07:48:43 PM
I hope you are smarter in your material selection and fire fighting provisions that the builders/designers of KRI Klewang were
http://themellowjihadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Fire-on-Indonesian-Navys-KRI-Klewang-625-Trimaran-in-Banyuwangi-East-Java-e1348951439663.jpg (http://themellowjihadi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Fire-on-Indonesian-Navys-KRI-Klewang-625-Trimaran-in-Banyuwangi-East-Java-e1348951439663.jpg)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: FAAMAN on September 24, 2013, 01:59:29 PM
They are excellent books Buzz, I've only read the first two and it had my thoughts racing in the Whiff direction. Great subject you've chosen, the Trident will be something else to see!! 8)

Maybe the Japanese stealth destroyer needs some research ................ ?

The Australian Customs Service contracted the RV Triton in 2007 from her owners Gardline, now named ACV Triton. Here's the Wiki entry,    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RV_Triton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RV_Triton)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: father ennis on October 01, 2013, 07:10:32 AM
This is off to a great beginning. I will be watching this with intrest.   I been wanting to build a ship so I'll be looking for ideas ...
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: finsrin on October 01, 2013, 11:33:12 AM
father ennis - This is off to a great beginning. I will be watching this with interest.   >   Me too  :)
And we been watching over a week for progress pictures,,, hint  ;)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Buzzbomb on October 02, 2013, 07:52:33 PM
father ennis - This is off to a great beginning. I will be watching this with interest.   >   Me too  :)
And we been watching over a week for progress pictures,,, hint  ;)


Ok.. I admit I have been slack :)
So a small update.
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident4.jpg)

I have added some ApoxySculpt to the Fo'ard areas for streamlining and what not plus some form to the hull shape.
Hopefully get some more done this coming weekend
Cheers Brian T
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 03, 2013, 02:02:01 AM
Looking good!
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: FAAMAN on October 03, 2013, 01:01:21 PM
Hmmm, nice progress.  8)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: finsrin on October 03, 2013, 02:05:25 PM
Filled in & faired in nicely.  :)   As first ship major conversion/scratchbuild, may be looking better than is permitted. 
You know how it is with government Standards Of Building (SOB) regulations.
Looked up ApoxySculpt and Apoxie Sculpt.  Like to try some.
Thanks for posting picture.
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: father ennis on October 04, 2013, 07:27:43 AM
Way Kool ... !!!   Not only is it a great looking ship but you could add some space engines and have a starship,too !!!
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Brian da Basher on October 08, 2013, 03:54:23 AM
Way Kool ... !!!   Not only is it a great looking ship but you could add some space engines and have a starship,too !!!

I like the cut of your jib sir.

Buzz, that's some outstanding work and I'm really looking forward to your next update!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Buzzbomb on October 11, 2013, 07:50:13 PM
Again.. thanks all.

Next update. Whilst I am tinkering with hulls and filling, sanding, repeat.. I am working on the base.
So my plan is to use some Gel Medium for the sea base.. because I reckon, ships on stands just look stoopid.
So first up mask out wheer the ship will be and cut that out
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident6.jpg)

Ship test plonking.. some work has also been done on the for'ard deck missile bays as well.. woo hoo.. progress
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident7.jpg)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 12, 2013, 03:31:59 AM
Proceed... ;)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Dr. YoKai on October 12, 2013, 04:45:55 AM
...at flank speed! >:(   (  ;)  )

Looking good so far! I've read the first of the Axis of Time books, unfortunately, thats all the Library has at the moment...I may have to splurge and order the others via Inter Library Loan...
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Volkodav on October 12, 2013, 06:05:24 AM
Looking very good, I like where this is going
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Buzzbomb on October 25, 2013, 07:58:25 PM
Yes coming along.. small update. But small update is better than no update  >:(
Ok.. I have fitted some etch (uurgghh! and I though 1/35 was tiny) for sensor arrays and some of the railing and doors.
Then some detail parts like the metal storm turrets in the outriggers and Laser packs, which still need to be detailed a bit.
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident8.jpg)

(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident9.jpg)

So next is probably painting stage and fitting stuff like the last of the railings, which I am slavishly following a good tutorial on a shipmodellers site due to not having done this sort of thing before at this scale.
And may never do again ;)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: ChernayaAkula on October 25, 2013, 09:04:53 PM
<...> So next is probably painting stage and fitting stuff like the last of the railings, which I am slavishly following a good tutorial on a shipmodellers site due to not having done this sort of thing before at this scale. <...>

Sounds interesting!  :) Do you have a link? Got a couple of ships planned and it might come in handy (ship noob as well)....
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Brian da Basher on October 26, 2013, 03:01:32 AM
Wow that's one mighty fine update and it's nice to see how well everything comes together!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Queeg on October 26, 2013, 04:11:25 AM
Very nice ..... it's been neat to see this coming along, that water effect look real good!
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Buzzbomb on October 26, 2013, 02:13:04 PM

Sounds interesting!  :) Do you have a link? Got a couple of ships planned and it might come in handy (ship noob as well)....


This is just one of many how to's out there. This one  just made sense to me
Link to forum
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37612&start=0 (http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37612&start=0)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on October 27, 2013, 03:27:13 AM
Certainly looks sleek and fast.  What are the chances of finding some 1:700 scale figures on water skis to tow behind it?  :)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: FAAMAN on October 27, 2013, 08:40:37 AM
Coming along very nicely!
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Camthalion on October 29, 2013, 06:29:54 AM
Looking very good.  Nice work
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: ChernayaAkula on November 04, 2013, 12:57:38 AM
Sounds interesting!  :) Do you have a link? Got a couple of ships planned and it might come in handy (ship noob as well)....


This is just one of many how to's out there. This one  just made sense to me
Link to forum
[url]http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37612&start=0[/url] ([url]http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=37612&start=0[/url])


Thanks.  :) Lots of valuable advice there. Bookmark'd!  :)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer
Post by: Buzzbomb on November 30, 2013, 06:18:54 PM
Close to the finished call.
Ok.. more practice needed on etch rails.. these are.. well ... ordinary.
I got some 1/700 Merlin Helos at SMW2013, which was nice.
(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident10.jpg)

(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident11.jpg)

(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident12.jpg)

(http://www.modelblokez.org.au/bthpix/whatif/trident/trident13.jpg)

So there she is.. less base nameplate..

HMS Trident under Captain Karen Halabi, English Channel 1942 (Ex Combined Fleet UNPROFOR 2020)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Volkodav on November 30, 2013, 06:53:19 PM
Wow!  I was expecting something impressive but that is above and beyond, great job!!
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Logan Hartke on November 30, 2013, 08:27:09 PM
That does look nice.  Very stealthy and smooth-looking, too.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: ChernayaAkula on November 30, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
Outstanding build!  :)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 01, 2013, 02:48:15 AM
Outstanding build!!! :) :)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Queeg on December 01, 2013, 03:57:16 AM
Just superb!  I just love watching a build and how it all pulls together at the end ...... more please!!!!  :icon_beer: 8)
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: finsrin on December 01, 2013, 03:58:20 AM
Outstanding build !    :) :) :)
> Far more stable for air ops than standard hull.
> Can picture it as either major refitting modernization program for current ships or as new construction.
> Top quality scratch building and way of combining it with a kit  :-*
> Oh,,, and water is also tops  :-*
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: FAAMAN on December 01, 2013, 06:04:11 AM
What an amazing build, brilliant finish!!! Sure looks the part, just lethal!!!!  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Frank3k on December 03, 2013, 08:14:02 AM
Brain - Great build! The water looks realistic; how did you make it? The catamaran section looks like a spaceship squatting on a cruiser.
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 05, 2013, 03:16:52 AM
Wow that really finished up a treat!

You've got some mad skills, buzz!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Dr. YoKai on December 05, 2013, 06:26:22 AM
 Very very nice! I'm curious about the water effect too- do elucidate, pray!
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Buzzbomb on December 05, 2013, 08:33:40 AM
Thanks guys.

The water effect I use at the moment for jobs like this is Acrylic gel medium
(http://www.derivan.com.au/assets/products/MM4-GelMedium250.jpg)

In this case I masked off the base (there is a pix above) where the ship went and painted various blues/grey colours to give the impression of depth a bit.
After that was ready, basically slopped this Gel gear on, but not too thickly other wise you will get some translucent bits where the stuff at the bottom does not cure clear. In itself that sometime works as well but for the painted base to show through clear is better.
Then using the Mk1 fingers in Latex gloves (please.. this stuff is a horror to get off) and a bamboo skewer or similar work up the peaks, wakes and the like
Over exaggerate the peaks as it will settle a bit, if found that putting your whole hand on and lifting away gives a nice random effect.
The just paint up the peaks with a bit of ivory colour paint.
When happy, gloss coat the lot.

I then cut out around the masks, this is important as this stuff is quite weak and will pull away easily so cut firmly and carefully remove the masks. Then the ship was replaced into the base with some Gel around the hull to hold it in plus give some wake to work with around the hull sides.

Works ok at this scale I reckon.

Cheers  Brian T

Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Old Wombat on December 05, 2013, 09:42:47 AM
Awesome build, Brian! :D

Not really a ship man (says the ex-RAN FAA aircraft tech armour modeller :-\ ) but this one's great!

Quick question (as I do have 1 or 2 ships to build in the stash) does this stuff cure hard or does it stay flexible, like silicon gel? ???

:)

Guy
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Buzzbomb on December 05, 2013, 12:02:03 PM
Flexible, it is more akin to silicon in property... as it can tear really easy, as it says it is a Gel.
if you want something more solid.. sadly resin or one of the other Water products may be required.
Just done some water in epoxy resin which was working beautifully.. until I tried to be clever and botched it.
Hid the issues with a coat of this stuff.. so now I have depth with a nice enough river top from Gel.
Title: Re: Axis of Time - HMS Trident Trimaran Stealth Destroyer - Finished
Post by: Old Wombat on December 05, 2013, 01:00:06 PM
Cool! 8)

Thanks, Brian!

:)

Guy