Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on June 24, 2012, 03:16:04 AM
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Hi folks,
A place for your Bachem Ba 349 Natter Ideas and Inspiration.
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Artic/Ba349Natter.jpg) (http://www.brengun.cz/images/200000453-ed339ee2d6/Ba349Natter.jpg)
Regards,
Greg
P.S. click on picture to get higher res version.
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To start with, how about a ground attack version or a stretched version?0
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Its first half of 1950's. US is scrambling to build Air Defense Command (ADC) to counter Russian bombers.
US built Natters are deployed along coasts and Canada-US border as quick response local area interceptors. Taking off at 45deg on a launch rail. Which could be a catapult or just a rail for rocket boosted take off. Updated and/or stretched ?
Picture(s) or model(s) of Natters ready for launch or in flight in ADC markings would be cool. RAF and RCAF also likely to operate them.
Bill
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Nice idea Bill! So here's a Canadair Viper Mk.1A at RCAF Post Pond Inlet.
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Thanks for going with idea. Is looking the part. :)
Hmm,,, maybe some zactly like that were secretly in service. ;)
Bill
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GTX--I like the "photo" of a Natter intercepting B-17's. But wouldn't the booster rockets on the sides have been jettisoned once the craft was up to speed?? Seems like the DRAG of the boosters would inhibit its speed, and the boosters themselves would be irrelevant.
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The Canadian viper looks great! If I were to modernize the Natter, I would:
1 - Do a better job with the original canopy latch cover. Statistics show that decapitated pilots make surprisingly poor pilots.
2 - The whole bailing out business is insane, especially if you're intercepting Red bombers over Alaska or Canada. A landing skid and a detachable ventral tail would be better.
3 - Ditch the ventral tails altogether and give it a twin tail.
4 - Radar in the nose and a Genie under the fuselage. Or a Genie on each wingtip! That'll learn'em! (may need a bigger booster rocket)
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GTX--I like the "photo" of a Natter intercepting B-17's. But wouldn't the booster rockets on the sides have been jettisoned once the craft was up to speed?? Seems like the DRAG of the boosters would inhibit its speed, and the boosters themselves would be irrelevant.
Artistic licence... ;)
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Delta wings-( assuming that Lippisch and Bachem were on speaking terms ), taking a page from
Frank's book, wingtip 75 or 105 RCLs, or ( heh ) an Enzian on each wingtip ( and dispense with
the solid fuel boosters altogether...) Likewise, the radar suggested for the Canadian version conjures
images of a two-seater nightfighter with Lichtenstein antennae...
As for a US built-version...we did borrow the idea, rushing a rail-launched Bell XSF-1* with wingtip mounted Tall Toms ( developed from the Tiny Tim ) into service in early '47 for the Roswell shoot-down.
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Frank: thanks for taking the Viper semi-seriously :D
Agree on bailing out ... especially at 40 below :o
I hadn't thought of a Komet-style landing skid but that'd probably work better than wheels considering the state of most arctic landing strips. Perfect for snow too.
Twin tails would look good (a bit like Junkers' Julia).
I went with search radar (arctic = all-weather) but stuck with unguided rockets in Clunk-style tip pods. Somehow short-range point defence and nuclear warheads don't seem like an ideal combination ;D
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If you reconfigured the tail unit to end plate vertical stabilizers, would it be physically possible to mate it to a Dornier 217? With fuselage mods to the Dornier of course. From what I've read, the gross weigh of a Natter is within the internal carriage limits of a 217.
If you air launched it, then the power of the booster rockets could be used to build a buffer space between the launch aircraft and the target aircraft and more of the main engine could be used in the actual attack after the boosters were jettisoned
On the same idea, you could make an unmanned version for launch from a Do-217 with a warhead in place of the rockets and pilot and use it as an air to ground weapon.
Either way, it would save resources and be a somewhat more secure way to deploy it than ground based launch sites which would be easy targets for ground attack aircraft.
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I suspect the Do-217 would be at greater risk then from being shot down...but that aside, I love the ideas of air-launched Natters. Maybe even mount a couple under the fuselage/wings of a He-177?
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The He-177 was my first thought, but then looking at the landing gear of the beast I think the only way you could get it to work from a fuselage mounting is if you could mount the Natter far enough back that it's wings and the inward retracting landing gear sets of the He-177 weren't interfering with each other.
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I was thinking of semi-submerged in the bomb-bay.
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As was I. However, in the meantime, I found that someone has attempted a model of a Natter toting He-177 before:
http://ipmslondon.ca/old%20site/ipmslondon.tripod.com/modelingarticles/id20.html (http://ipmslondon.ca/old%20site/ipmslondon.tripod.com/modelingarticles/id20.html)
If you scroll down a bit, there is a picture of the Natter in place in the Grief's bomb bay that shows the landing gear/wing interference.
The modeler decided to make the inward retracting gear set jetisonable, but I wonder if the He-177's weight could have been supported on landing by the outward retracting set alone.
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Hmmm...damn reality!!! :(
Will need to think about this a bit.
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looks to me as if he's removed the retract ability of the inner legs so they're permanently down -- he didn't add spats for better aerodynamics tho ::)