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AH-64 Apache
« on: February 01, 2012, 08:32:47 AM »
The thread for all your AH-64 Apace ideas!

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Something I whipped up for a thread on ARC, which was about the eventual cancellation of the ARH-70 Arapaho scout helicopter.
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2012, 11:06:30 AM »
Classic Apache whiffs have to be the naval variants with the redesigned fuselages & radar.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2012, 11:55:31 AM »
Replace the tail rotor with a NOTAR installation.  Bigger stretch would be to replace the fan-driven NOTAR with one that used cooled and ducted engine exhausts (not sure it's feasible, but...).

Export version with options to replace the chain gun with a weapon of the user's choice?  I could just see a country already flying Su-25s opting for a common cannon with that one (clearly a country getting arms from both sides).

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2012, 08:40:57 PM »
Another gun change might be an M197 or even a M61.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2012, 11:07:42 PM »
I do have, languishing in a box back in Canada, a partly finished naval Apache.

Based on the Academy 1/72 kit, I planned (and partially executed) the following changes:

Gun replaced with radar dome of the sort you'd see on the SH-60 Seahawk

Fenestron tail Rotor and SH-60 style tail landing gear at a mid boom position

Penguin missiles

I think I had some Danish or Dutch navy decals set aside for it.
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 03:34:31 AM »
Classic Apache whiffs have to be the naval variants with the redesigned fuselages & radar.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 07:30:20 AM »
Them's the one!  They need a resin conversion for those last two.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2014, 03:24:08 PM »
Random idea:  dedicated aerial combat AH-64. Single seat, retractable undercarriage, radar in nose, air-to-air missiles. 
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2014, 12:48:53 AM »
I found a drawing of an Apache fused with a Scorpion from Avatar. Been hunting Deviantart for more pics of it. REALLY want to convert the Revell 32nd kit into one.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2014, 01:57:05 AM »
Old naval Apache WHIF of mine, thought it was on here but can't find it.

Features as per text on the photo, 1/72 scale. I've got the parts to do a 1/48 detailed version at some point. :)

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2014, 06:08:12 AM »


Sorry, forgot who the artist is. Would love to see more angles of this.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2014, 08:47:43 AM »
A very early and now abandoned project ...............

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2014, 10:34:33 AM »
Looks like the Navy Apache was a popular whiff!

I built this one after it appeared in Aviation Leak. A member of the club I was in at the time brought in his 1/48 version the same night I brought in this one.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2014, 10:36:12 AM by kerick »

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2014, 12:23:11 PM »
Navy Apaches are just so cool... and easily achievable.

Kerick, I think that I like the nose on your better than the one on mine. :)

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2014, 11:42:44 AM »
Thanks, it's been so long ago I forgot what I used for that!

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2016, 06:26:52 AM »
Random detail shot for the super detailer...

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2016, 06:50:49 AM »
I recognize the latches on the door, Bell uses them on the V-22 and other products, too.  From the layout of the wiring harnesses, it looks like someone in the design phase tried to design for accessibility and maintainability.  That can be a challenge, I remember one design effort where the most used connector was initially placed in the most inaccessible location; the designer and I had an "intense discussion" about that that was resolved by working together to sort out all the harnesses going to the box so that every one was accessible for installation and maintenance purposes.  Since this was installed on the first two B-2As and worked without a hitch, I think we succeeded.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2016, 09:02:36 AM »
Random detail shot for the super detailer...



Good one for the "Quote" thread  ----  OK Chief!, there's no plugs in this one -------    ;D

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2016, 09:46:52 AM »
"Oh-kay, so what does all this lot do, then?"

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2016, 11:29:10 AM »
What do you mean, you can't find your pet snake?

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2017, 07:26:09 PM »
New Indonesian AH-64E:

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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2017, 02:45:36 AM »
Downright reptilian  :-*
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2017, 03:28:54 AM »
No comment necessary:

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2017, 12:19:19 PM »
Not an accessory I can see the Indonesians bothering with.

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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2017, 01:31:18 PM »
Not an accessory I can see the Indonesians bothering with.

High in the Owen Stanleys they get snow on the equator...

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2017, 10:00:12 PM »
Those new Indonesian Apaches might be my new 2nd favorite Apache paint scheme (after the Japanese, of course).

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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2017, 11:04:30 PM »
Not an accessory I can see the Indonesians bothering with.

High in the Owen Stanleys they get snow on the equator...

And Hawaii gets a regular dump of snow each year (maybe not quite as much as in 2016)
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2017, 03:29:54 AM »
Random idea:  Iranian AH-64 in scheme similar to this:

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2017, 03:50:55 AM »
Back to the AH-64, anyone else note the additional 'bumps' on this Israeli AH-64?  I presume they are related to the Spike NLOS missiles:




 
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2018, 02:17:08 PM »
AH-64 / A-10 hybrid
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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2018, 02:27:53 AM »
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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2018, 07:42:16 AM »
Nice pics of Apaches. The Israeli one with gas bags looks interesting.

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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2018, 11:16:04 AM »
AH-64 / A-10 hybrid

This is a geat idea! :smiley:

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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2018, 05:37:11 PM »
Saw that in LinkedIn this morning, now that would be worth getting to replace the tiger.

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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2018, 02:07:05 AM »
Saw that in LinkedIn this morning, now that would be worth getting to replace the tiger.

That might happen... ;)
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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2018, 02:36:59 AM »
Now I have to go out and buy an Apache kit!

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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2018, 07:30:19 PM »
Saw that in LinkedIn this morning, now that would be worth getting to replace the tiger.

That might happen... ;)

Id mention it at work if anyone there was remotely interested in aviation or attack helicopters.

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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2019, 02:30:13 AM »
New Indian AH-64E:

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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2019, 02:45:04 PM »
From an ardent AH-1 fanboy; That looks very nice! :smiley:
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« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2019, 02:02:07 AM »
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2019, 05:31:15 AM »
I love how Boeing are calling it the AH-64E and presenting it as just a continuation of the
Apache.
 ;D

The friggin' thing has less in common with a current AH-64 than the Super Bug has with
a legacy Hornet.
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« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2019, 07:06:28 AM »
Repeat of the Cheyenne project.

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« Reply #42 on: May 19, 2019, 01:31:13 AM »
Don't let the facts get in the way of spin... ;)
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« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2019, 08:44:38 PM »
Could it be Boeing are just playing to the current administrations apparent preference for evolved verses new designs?

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« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2019, 10:37:19 PM »
A high speed Apache makes me think the US Army is changing its thoughts on attack helicopter tactics. The past tactics involved pop up attacks from behind cover with high speed not required. Is this a switch to more of an old Soviet style with diving attacks more like an aircraft?

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« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2019, 01:39:25 AM »
Could it be Boeing are just playing to the current administrations apparent preference for evolved verses new designs?

Nope, the it's just a derivative game is an old one.
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« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2019, 01:51:47 AM »
Sometimes it works. Like how the A-7 Corsair II was a "derivative" of the F-8 Crusader.

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« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2019, 03:57:04 AM »
Sometimes it works. Like how the A-7 Corsair II was a "derivative" of the F-8 Crusader.

Not the same thing at all, the Super Bug is one of the best examples, it's
a new aircraft yet still designated as an F-18.

That's the game, make major changes yet claim it's still the same basic
aircraft. It's been done in the commercial aviation arena for yonks, it's a
way around having to go through the new design certification process.
The current 747-8 has very little left in common with the original 747.

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« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2019, 07:52:41 PM »
I love how Boeing are calling it the AH-64E and presenting it as just a continuation of the Apache.
I thought AH-64E is just an upgraded Apache (even to the point that D's will be rebuilt to E standard) and AH-64F would be the totally not all-new compound helicopter? ???

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« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2019, 02:00:19 AM »
I love how Boeing are calling it the AH-64E and presenting it as just a continuation of the Apache.
I thought AH-64E is just an upgraded Apache (even to the point that D's will be rebuilt to E standard) and AH-64F would be the totally not all-new compound helicopter? ???

Indeed
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« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2019, 03:14:10 AM »
A high speed Apache makes me think the US Army is changing its thoughts on attack helicopter tactics. The past tactics involved pop up attacks from behind cover with high speed not required. Is this a switch to more of an old Soviet style with diving attacks more like an aircraft?



Might just be needed to keep up...
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2019, 04:30:05 AM »
We have seen the classic photos of Cobras with AIM-9s:



Now the AH-64 can theoretically be similarly armed:



As a subtle whiff though, what about a British WAH-64 with AIM-132 ASRAAMs in similar position.
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« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2019, 04:53:40 AM »
Or a pair of AIM-92/FIM-92 Stingers on one wing stub and an AIM-XXX on the other wing stub.  A shame that the Hellfire is unable to be used in serious A2A.
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2019, 05:21:02 AM »
Do any of the AH-64 kits come with Stingers?

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« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2019, 06:54:46 AM »
I've got a Mirage 1/72 WAH-64 which has something in tubes at the wing tips (top pic) and Academy's 1/48 seems to have Stingers (bot pic)

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2019, 09:19:35 AM »
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Now the AH-64 can theoretically be similarly armed:



Now? I vaguely remember building Revell's 1/32 Apache with AIM-9s on the stub wings. That was twenty years ago, I think.  ???

Do any of the AH-64 kits come with Stingers?

I'm certain that Hasegawa's beautiful 1/48 Apache comes with Stingers in some boxing. At least one of the JGSDF boxings has them.
In 1/72, many kits also have them. The Hobby Boss kits do, the Academy AH-64A does. The Italeri AH-64D has a funky-looking two-round boxy launcher that may or may not contain Stingers.
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« Reply #56 on: June 30, 2019, 02:47:51 AM »
@Greg/GTX - Yes.  With the exception of the 1/48th scale Monogram AH-64 kit, there are AIM-92/FIM-92 Stinger AAM for the Revell Germany, Italeri, and Academy AH-64 kits in 1:48th scale.  I do not know if the Hasegawa AH-64 kit has this option as I have never researched that kit.  In 1:32nd scale the Revell AH-64 kit has Sidewinders.  There is also an AH-64 produced by a Chinese company that had some A2A missile option but I do not recall if it was Sidewinder or Stinger. 
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2019, 04:50:58 AM »
Moroccan AH-64Es:




I believe these photoshopped though.
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« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2019, 12:30:20 PM »
Not PhotoShop Greg, more like screen captures from one of the First Person Flyer/Shooter games like Combat Ace or DCS. 
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #59 on: January 02, 2021, 02:16:37 AM »
Expected to be announced in the near future:

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« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2021, 08:10:42 PM »
Expected to be announced in the near future:



And I'm really unsure as per the value for money of such a decision, Tiger is now sorted and according to US Army Aviation The AH-64E is having considerable teething issues and the D is a maintenance hog.  Also by the time they are in service with Australia the next generation of attack helos should be achieving IOC, meaning Australia will be swapping the more capable higher performing tiger for Apache, then retaining Apache for years after its replacement enters service elsewhere, just imaging the uproar if those pushing for an F/A-18E buy instead of F-35A had been successful.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2021, 01:11:23 AM »
As predicted:

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Future ready - strengthening Army's armed reconnaissance capability
15 January 2021
The Australian Army’s armed reconnaissance capability will be strengthened following the selection of Boeing Apache Guardian to replace Army’s Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter (ARH) from 2025.

Minister for Defence, Senator the Hon Linda Reynolds CSC said the AH-64E Apache Guardian is equipped with improved sensors, communications suites, attack capabilities and improved survivability.

“This new ARH capability will strengthen Australia’s armed reconnaissance force to better shape our strategic environment and deter actions against our national interest,” Minister Reynolds said.

“Defence considered a number of helicopters against key criteria of proven ability, maturity and an off-the-shelf operating system.

“The Apache Guardian is the most lethal, most survivable and lowest risk option, meeting all of Defence’s capability, through-life support, security, and certification requirements.

“By pursuing a proven and low-risk system offered by the Apache, Defence will avoid the ongoing cost and schedule risk typically associated with developmental platforms.”

Lessons learnt from issues with the ARH Tiger and other rotary wing projects had informed the strategy to seek a proven, mature ARH replacement capability.

“The project will deliver on the Government’s vision to maximise Australian industry involvement in defence capability,” Minister Reynolds said.

“There are potential opportunities for Australian industry in logistic support, warehousing services, training development, engineering services, and maintenance, repair and overhaul.

“Maximising these opportunities for Australian businesses will enable the future growth of our local rotary wing industry and will present opportunities for Australian industry involvement in the aircraft’s global supply chain.”

Detailed transition planning will be conducted to ensure effective management of the skilled workforce, across Defence and industry, as Defence transitions the Tiger to the Apache.
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2021, 02:39:16 AM »
The next time someone critiques your paintwork and points out inconsistent colour coverage or splotches, just point them to this:



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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2021, 06:07:25 AM »
A question Greg, I keep seeing CFBV after some of your posts, what does it mean ?

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #64 on: December 17, 2021, 01:48:22 AM »
Click For Bigger Version  ;)
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #65 on: December 17, 2021, 04:08:25 AM »
Aah right --- I wouldn't have guessed that in a month of blue moons ---   :-X
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #66 on: December 18, 2021, 12:21:31 AM »
I got tired of writing the full "Click For Bigger Version"... ;D
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #67 on: December 18, 2021, 02:27:22 AM »
copy/paste maybe  ;)

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2022, 07:29:50 PM »
Just to ease the controversy between Airbus and Australian Army


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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2022, 01:17:49 AM »
Errr...no. ;)
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2023, 01:40:17 AM »






CFBVs
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2023, 02:57:54 AM »


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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2023, 07:03:47 PM »
 :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #73 on: May 29, 2023, 05:57:20 AM »


There are mutterings that the Israelis may swap their remaining A's for some D's or E's. The A's then finding their way to Ukraine.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #74 on: May 30, 2023, 12:42:32 AM »
There are mutterings that the Israelis may swap their remaining A's for some D's or E's. The A's then finding their way to Ukraine.

I will believe that when I see it
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2023, 08:13:28 AM »
The next time someone critiques your paintwork and points out inconsistent colour coverage or splotches, just point them to this:



CFBV

You might even say that's a patchy paintjob.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2023, 11:57:46 AM »
RW that can be from the paint being wet and half dry.

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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2023, 11:35:39 PM »
The next time someone critiques your paintwork and points out inconsistent colour coverage or splotches, just point them to this:



CFBV

You might even say that's a patchy paintjob.

Oh, good grief!

Where's the face-palm emoji when you need it? Or the head-bang emoji? ???
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Re: AH-64 Apache
« Reply #78 on: October 25, 2023, 08:04:19 PM »
There are mutterings that the Israelis may swap their remaining A's for some D's or E's. The A's then finding their way to Ukraine.

I will believe that when I see it

Well, there is sentiment in Israel that once things settle, they will take vengeance on those they see as truly responsible for the recent attack, i.e. Putin.  Anything and everything Ukraine want from Israel, they will get.