Author Topic: Gloster Javelin Ideas (Read 15313 times)

Maverick · « **on:** August 09, 2012, 08:01:48 AM »

G'day Gang,

Apparently there's no thread for this type, so I thought I'd start it off with a few ideas after reading about planned ground-attack & recce variants.

upnorth · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2012, 01:27:23 PM »

There's an aircraft with all kinds of "Could have been" to it!

I've often been tempted to do up a Javelin with some refinements that were tossed about in the real world, like thin wings. I'd also be inclined to replace all those little vortex generators with a wing fence or two.

I've also read that the horizontal stabiliser was completely superfluous and that it was there due to a poor understanding of delta wing operations and the aircraft could have flown without it, so I'd probably do away with that and put on a thinner vertical fin.

I was also thinking about Mirage type intakes with variable centre bodies and perhaps a bit of area ruling on the fuselage.

More powerful engines go without saying.

jcf · « **Reply #2 on:** August 09, 2012, 01:56:09 PM »

Various Gloster deltas + some other projects:

finsrin · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2012, 02:22:00 PM »

Cool concepts.

With a couple Javelin kits in stash, maybe get to a Javelin bash one day.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2012, 03:15:45 PM »

For some reason, I have always seen Javelins in Taiwanese markings...why, I just don't know.

Weaver · « **Reply #5 on:** August 09, 2012, 07:28:48 PM »

Some more old profiles of mine. I have all the kits needed to do these one day, when I'm feeling brave enough. These were for the Patchwork World background which I started on What If Modellers and were intended as a mini-Vulcan strike aircraft and the exec.transport version of it for the Cheshire armed forces, hence the "Avro" names. The actual modelling idea has moved on a bit since there were done. The plan now is to use two fins in place of the outer wing panels (the root chord is identical), with a half an original tailfin as each new fin, now right out on the tip as per the original Vulcan scheme (see the mockup pic at the bottom).

Dr. YoKai · « **Reply #6 on:** August 09, 2012, 09:52:20 PM »

I've had some fun with a couple of the old Heller kits.

Daryl J. · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2012, 01:51:05 AM »

4 engines, 2 per side tucked up against the fuselage. $:-\$

Daryl J. · « **Reply #8 on:** December 20, 2012, 02:31:30 AM »

Thanks to Airfix, a variant of the P.348 should soon be doable.
Should it be Canadian or Norwegian. Ah, such dilemmas to have.

Daryl J. · « **Reply #9 on:** December 24, 2012, 03:18:36 AM »

Put these design influences into the Javelin:

jcf · « **Reply #10 on:** December 28, 2012, 12:40:22 PM »

Thin-wing Javelin, P.376

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2013, 09:50:38 AM »

I like the idea of a Sea Javelin.

Daryl J. · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2013, 04:57:17 AM »

Linked in from Britmodeller, credit to whomsoever credit is due for the photograph.

So, it looks quite good. :)

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2013, 08:22:52 AM »

Random idea: Swedish Javelin

jcf · « **Reply #14 on:** May 11, 2013, 10:25:18 AM »

Summat else to do with a Javelin fuselage:

Daryl J. · « **Reply #15 on:** September 09, 2013, 05:55:28 AM »

Presuming Canada had a missile development capability equivalent of the team that developed the CF-105, utilizing the Javelin for an interceptor based in the north of Canada carrying an indigenous long range anti bomber missile suite.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #16 on:** September 09, 2013, 07:06:27 AM »

Or even a Javelin armed with some Sparrows?

kitnut617 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 09, 2013, 08:45:57 PM »

If anyone has the Hawk 1/72 kit of the Javelin they would know that the kit comes with six missiles on pylons. These missiles look like Sparrows except they're about half the size

elmayerle · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2013, 05:25:47 AM »

Odd thought, Canadaian Javelin re-engined with J79's or a scaled-up Orenda.

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #19 on:** October 02, 2013, 11:21:22 PM »

Javelin in Luftwaffe markings stationed somewhere in northern Germany.

Weaver · « **Reply #20 on:** October 03, 2013, 02:48:58 AM »

Well Belgium bought CF-100s, so why not have them buy Javelins instead?

Daryl J. · « **Reply #21 on:** October 03, 2013, 03:13:01 AM »

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Well Belgium bought CF-100s, so why not have them buy Javelins instead?

Hmmmmm......... :)

raafif · « **Reply #22 on:** October 03, 2013, 06:02:29 AM »

Javelins made a trip to Sth Africa just before Rhodesia went bad so some colourful desert cam or national-colour livery ?

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #23 on:** October 03, 2013, 04:30:05 PM »

Hmmm...South African Javelin...I might need to order another kit!

Volkodav · « **Reply #24 on:** October 03, 2013, 04:47:29 PM »

RAAF maintains its deployment with NATO and replaces its Venom NFs (which replaced the original Vampires) with Javelins

upnorth · « **Reply #25 on:** October 03, 2013, 07:17:54 PM »

Quote from: Weaver on October 03, 2013, 02:48:58 AM

Well Belgium bought CF-100s, so why not have them buy Javelins instead?

My understanding is that the Belgians were offered the Javelin but were left nonplussed by it after some test flying and opted for the CF-100 instead.

Weaver · « **Reply #26 on:** October 04, 2013, 12:35:10 AM »

Yeah, direct personal experience of the thing was generally a sales-killer for the dragmaster.......

"On no account allow the customer to fly the aeroplane!"

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #27 on:** October 15, 2013, 06:12:20 PM »

Random Idea: Cuban Javelin in scheme akin to this.

Rickshaw · « **Reply #28 on:** October 15, 2013, 10:44:16 PM »

Quote from: Weaver on October 04, 2013, 12:35:10 AM

Yeah, direct personal experience of the thing was generally a sales-killer for the dragmaster.......

"On no account allow the customer to fly the aeroplane!"

I've just been rereading the autobiography of the Gloster Test Pilot who was in charge of testing the Javelin. He won a George Cross for bringing the prototype back after the tail fell off. His views on the Javelin weren't terribly complimentary! It took them 9 marks to get it to the point where it was apparently safe to fly.

Geoff · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2019, 01:23:08 AM »

I had not realised the flat iron was offered to Belgium, I was thinking of Holland as a replacement for the NF Meteors as well. Ok as they had Meteor IV, and 8. Hunter 4 and 6 - so Javelin and Lightning?

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