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Offline Cliffy B

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Cliffy B's Profiles - GB Profiles
« on: January 04, 2012, 11:19:01 AM »
Hey guys, guess its time to get this going again.  My laptop is currently out of commission so I don't have access to Photoshop for the time being.  I looked through my old profile folder and came across this one that I hadn't posted yet though.

From a story I'm working on, this is one of the main character's personal planes; Lt. Fletcher Shepherd USN.  A Curtis SC-1 Seahawk circa 1947 assigned to the USS Newark (CL-108) during her many escapades fighting the Kreigsmarine in the Atlantic.



I made this almost a year ago and can't remember if I left the bottoms of the floats white intentionally or just goofed them  :D

Any thoughts, comments, ideas, etc... are appreciated as always.

-Mike

PS. When I get my laptop functioning again I could use some ideas for some new profiles.  I currently have custom made blanks (by me) for the following aircraft:

F-4S Phantom II
Rafale Bs (Two-seaters)
P-3C Orion (ASW, AEW, and ECM/ELINT versions)
SC-1 Seahawk

Any and all ideas are welcomed; fire away!
« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 07:02:56 AM by Cliffy B »
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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2012, 02:59:35 PM »
Maybe go for a hull red on the bottom with a black boot at the anticipated waterline of the floats when the aircraft is at rest?
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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 05:11:27 PM »
Welcome Mike! :)
Nice to see you're back to profiling.

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2012, 06:29:48 PM »
Nice to see you here Mike! Good profile! :)

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 09:34:00 AM »
Hey guys, I'm working on some profiles for a story of mine and I could use some opinions.  In it, Argentina has gone Soviet (along with a few other South American countries) and has started making trouble.  I've come up with some possible roundels for the air force and I need help deciding on one.



I'm leaning toward the bottom row.  What do you guys think?  Any of them work?  Feel free to float ideas for new ones.

Any and all thoughts, opinions, ideas, etc... are appreciated as always.

-Mike
« Last Edit: March 09, 2012, 11:14:17 AM by Cliffy B »
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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 10:19:48 AM »
Bottom two rows are good, though I think I slightly prefer the second from the bottom.  They're definitely close to the Hungarian roundels.  The middle one, too, try that without the outer blue.  Just make it like this, but light blue center.  That might be another option.



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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 11:01:58 AM »
Third row for me.  Shows the red star but retains the national roundel for the Argies.

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2012, 01:59:41 PM »
First up, cool idea Cliffy.

I like the third row best.

The second row is a bit too close to the new Russian 'roundel':

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2012, 06:03:11 PM »
Well,I prefer the first row...it seems it would be hard to pick ;D

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2012, 11:44:10 PM »
Row four for me but row five is a close second.
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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2012, 11:58:04 PM »
Current voting seems to be 4, 3, 5, 1, 2 in that order, though it's close for the top 3.

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 06:49:30 AM »
Thanks for the input guys.  I've drafted a second round of them drew up one like Logan suggested.  I also realized the blue was too light and a few stars were out of alignment so I fixed all of that.  I was rooting around through my roundel folder and I came across one from Kazakhstan that inspired the 2 new ones at the bottom.  I took the sun off of the Argentine Flag and made a simple, spoked circular design to add to the star.  I think it makes it a little more theirs that way.  I think I might have to lighten up the sun as well since there isn't enough contrast right now...  Thoughts?

I'm leaning toward the bottom row heavily myself.  The 4th row looks too much like the North Korean one (only one ring is a different color) but since North Korea doesn't last beyond 1953 in my timeline...hmmm...Well even if they do get defeated, they probably wouldn't want a roundel that similar to a defeated country's roundel so row 4 is out.  I also agree with Greg so row 2 is out as well.  I don't really care for row 1 too much anymore either.  They were my first ideas and the simplest and reflect that.  I rarely ever go with my first ever idea for anything art wise.  Row 1 is out as well. 

It's down to Row 3 and Row 5, gents?




OK, In the original post I mentioned that Argentina had gone Soviet along with some others.  Well here's the next country's new roundel ideas; Venezuela.  I'm not really sure about any of them yet.  I really like the winged designs but the roundels at the bottom right are really nice as well.  Thoughts?



Any and all thoughts, opinions, ideas, etc... are appreciated as always.

-Mike


PS. Yes I did get your PM Logan, I'll be getting back to you shortly.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2012, 08:15:42 AM by Cliffy B »
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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2012, 08:15:16 AM »
I'm kean on the Argie roundel with the sunburst. For the Venzuelans, I vote for the first of fourth rows.
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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2012, 09:16:30 AM »
Thanks for the input guys.  I've drafted a second round of them drew up one like Logan suggested.  I also realized the blue was too light and a few stars were out of alignment so I fixed all of that.  I was rooting around through my roundel folder and I came across one from Kazakhstan that inspired the 2 new ones at the bottom.  I took the sun off of the Argentine Flag and made a simple, spoked circular design to add to the star.  I think it makes it a little more theirs that way.  I think I might have to lighten up the sun as well since there isn't enough contrast right now...  Thoughts?

I'm leaning toward the bottom row heavily myself.  The 4th row looks too much like the North Korean one (only one ring is a different color) but since North Korea doesn't last beyond 1953 in my timeline...hmmm...Well even if they do get defeated, they probably wouldn't want a roundel that similar to a defeated country's roundel so row 4 is out.  I also agree with Greg so row 2 is out as well.  I don't really care for row 1 too much anymore either.  They were my first ideas and the simplest and reflect that.  I rarely ever go with my first ever idea for anything art wise.  Row 1 is out as well. 

It's down to Row 3 and Row 5, gents?

I think I like the left-most on the bottom row.  I do agree with you, lighten up the sun a bit, though, to increase contrast.

OK, In the original post I mentioned that Argentina had gone Soviet along with some others.  Well here's the next country's new roundel ideas; Venezuela.  I'm not really sure about any of them yet.  I really like the winged designs but the roundels at the bottom right are really nice as well.  Thoughts?

For me?  Upper left, definitely.  The bottom left are too American (could cause confusion), the stars with the roundel inside are too busy, upper right is too Russian, middle left is too Chinese, row 4 is too Vietnamese, and row 5 is just...I don't know.  I'm seeing Alaskan air bridge, Macy's, and other unrelated, un-Venezuelan things.

Cheers,

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2012, 10:56:19 AM »
For me, the stars n bars are too US influenced to be considered Sovietish whilst the roundel variants seem like Yugoslavian. I'm a fan of 2nd row/right hand which is obviously like my preference for the Communist Argie design.

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2012, 03:25:47 AM »
They're all interesting designs. For Argentina, I favor the top ones with the light blue and white roundel and the light blue dot in the middle of the red star. For Venezuela, I like the last one in the fourth row. I think the Venezuelan ones are especially nice. Must be all the primary colors.

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2012, 06:23:12 PM »
Those are very interesting.
I am also planning a Soviet-equiped Argentinian Air Force (AAF) for the upcoming GB Falklands, althought in my scennario Argentina is not a Socialist state but rather a non-aligned country much like India (and a preferential Soviet ally in South America, hence the Soviet equiped AAF); as such it mantains its currrent role.
I think the bottom row (with the Sol de Mayo) is rather interesting and should be further developed; Keep it up

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - Roundel Help
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2012, 10:43:03 PM »
I like the argentine one on row 3/2, with the
roundel superimposed upon the red star, it suits as being a variant of that carried by a number of soviet alligned states too requiring less of a leap to envisage in an alternate scenario

The venuzualian marking i like both the second and third rows, hmm decisions ! the 'wings' shouldnt bee too much of an issue (Cuba!) and for modelling would provide some visual variation from the Argentine ones

 A while ago John Lacey kindly went through a similar exercise when coming up with a Soviet Finland senario, for my model Su.15 i went with the red star and small roundel idea :)

Looking forward to seeing what comes of your decisions, cheers, Joe

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - SC-1 Seahawk USAF ASR 1948
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2012, 10:22:22 AM »
Evening gents!  Inspiration struck and this was the result.



What if the USAF decided to use surplus SC-1s postwar the same as they used PBYs?  Figured they could be useful for inshore work and training purposes.  The BuNo. was taken from a batch of canceled SC-1s numbering close to 100.

My second attempt at a "modeled" profile.  How's this one?  Logan?

Any thoughts, comments, ideas, etc... are appreciated as always.

-Mike

As for the roundels, thank you all very much for the input.  I'll come back to them soon and post some more revisions.
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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - SC-1 Seahawk USAF ASR 1948
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2012, 12:01:45 PM »
Damn nice!

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - SC-1 Seahawk USAF ASR 1948
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2012, 01:01:03 PM »
Looks great, Mike!  Very neat idea, it reminds me of the Catalina in the USAF Museum.  I plan to see that in a couple weeks.

I'm glad to see you developing your own style.  Liking the world of rendered profiles?  Just keep looking at pictures, they're both the greatest inspiration and your harshest critic.  Get rid of the outer lines, then you'll see a lot of ways you can modify the style.  It's a world of difference.  It can be a lot more involved and difficult, but the results are well worth it.

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - SC-1 Seahawk USAF ASR 1948
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2012, 03:43:05 PM »
Very nice!! :D

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - SC-1 Seahawk USAF ASR 1948
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2012, 06:05:50 PM »
Ohhh yeah,this is quite nice,I like it!

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - SC-1 Seahawk USAF ASR 1948
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2012, 09:37:10 PM »
Cliffy, in terms of aesthetics I very much like all of the designs you posted, both Argies and Venez. But in the case of my country -and I hope this doesn't contravene your history's postulates-, the design trends are evolving towards a much more modern way of representing symbols. In our case, Venezuela is heavily leaned towards the most radical partisanism and the cult of personality for the prez. The armed forces have adopted the political motto "Patria, Socialismo o Muerte, Venceremos!" (Fatherland, Socialism or Death, We shall Overcome!) in a clear deviation of its duty to preserve and protect country and uphold the Constitution, and, sadly have become a de facto armed branch of the ruling PSUV (Partido Socialista Unido de Venezuela - United Socialist Venezuelan Party).

So I foresee a more widespread and shameless use of the Party's Iconography to please the "dear leader" and gain his  favors.

Attached, some of the PSUV icons you could consider to make a "extreme reality" symbology by fusing some of their characteristics to your work already done.

Note: Images 003 is the most used in terms of publicity. The others are more institutionally formal

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Re: Cliffy B's Profiles - SC-1 Seahawk USAF ASR 1948
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2012, 11:14:56 PM »
Now that is freakin' nice!  :-*
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