Author Topic: AVRO Lancaster, Manchester, Lincoln and Shackleton (and derivatives) Ideas and Inspiration  (Read 86398 times)

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If doing a single tailed Lancaster, I would possibly use the Avro Tudor as a source of inspiration:

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... but that tail is so ugly ...  :icon_crap: :icon_killbill:
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Via Facebook. Avro Lancaster with guided surface to air missile PAT-1 (a Henschel Hs 293 developed in Argentina)

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I assume the PAT-1 is fictional?  BTW, it should probably be Air-to-Surface...
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What about a bigger brother to the Avro Lancaster B Mark II - namely a later model Lancaster or even Lincoln but with more powerful Bristol Centaurus engines?
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Well reading about how the boffins studied the German TV guided missiles, and adapted it to the Tallbot I could imagine something more along these lines

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I assume the PAT-1 is fictional?  BTW, it should probably be Air-to-Surface...

I paste and cut what the artist provided.  ;)
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What about a bigger brother to the Avro Lancaster B Mark II - namely a later model Lancaster or even Lincoln but with more powerful Bristol Centaurus engines?

A Shackleton ------   ???

Or a Nottingham   >:D  This has four RR Eagle H-24 cylinder engines

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Blackbird models has in 1/72 a conversion kit for the MK.VI.  It has chin radiator so you could make a Griffon. 
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Blackbird models has in 1/72 a conversion kit for the MK.VI.  It has chin radiator so you could make a Griffon.


Or there's the North Star conversions from AiM

http://www.aim72.co.uk/page179.html

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+ one of these (of which I have two) less the engines




+ 4 of these:




+ some of these (or similar) - note roundel with fern frond within the inner red circle:



+ a bunch of cursing, cut fingers, loss of blood etc...

= AVRO Lincoln V (my fictional designation for proposed Bristol Centaurus) in RNZAF service during Malaysian Emergency...
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Some interesting info on the rarely seen lower turret:






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Some interesting info on the rarely seen lower turret:
Cool images that I certainly hadn't seen before, Thanks.

All that trouble to design such a system and than to stick it with two pissant .303 Brownings.

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Some interesting info on the rarely seen lower turret:
Cool images that I certainly hadn't seen before, Thanks.

All that trouble to design such a system and than to stick it with two pissant .303 Brownings.

You took the words out of my mouth tankmodeler  ;)

I to have never comprehend the RAF's unwillingness to adopt a heavier and more effective 12.7mm over that of .303.

I wonder how long it took Bomber Command to seriously identify, let alone appreciate the Luftwaffe's knowledge of the volnrability of its heavies undefended underside?


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I to have never comprehend the RAF's unwillingness to adopt a heavier and more effective 12.7mm over that of .303.



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At the time, the government departments were trying to standardize as much as they could to make things cheaper, the .303 round was one of them, made them by the million ----

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That turret system was actually pretty lousy, the periscope sighting was a joke, so
heavier guns wouldn't have made any real difference.

Imagine if you would sitting in a pitching and rolling aircraft while staring through
the limited field of view of a periscope at moving things that are below you,
while your seat rotates.

Get the picture?  ;D

The Sperry belly turret on early model B-17Es had the same limitations, that's why
the US went to the ball turret. A Bendix retractable remote control turret was used
on the B-25B through G, but it was most often removed in the field because it was
next to useless.



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Seconded.   Agree with Jon.
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The Sperry belly turret on early model B-17Es had the same limitations, that's why
the US went to the ball turret. A Bendix retractable remote control turret was used
on the B-25B through G, but it was most often removed in the field because it was
next to useless.
All very true, but the B-29 and A-26 managed to make their systems work, I thought? And several late-war new designs also fitted remote ventral turrets. Wonder what changed or if it did at all.

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I've read somewhere (and a while ago), that the periscope system made the gunners physically sick when looking through it, vertigo or something ---

I think the belly turret should've been reintroduced though once it was remotely controlled, the gunner sat in the tail.
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All very true, but the B-29 and A-26 managed to make their systems work, I thought? And several late-war new designs also fitted remote ventral turrets. Wonder what changed or if it did at all.

They were true remote systems, the gunner(s) sat upright with proper sighting and control systems,
they also used an early form of computerized gun laying.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a18343/the-cannons-on-the-b-29-bomber-were-a-mid-century-engineering-masterpiece/

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They were true remote systems, the gunner(s) sat upright with proper sighting and control systems,
they also used an early form of computerized gun laying.
I was thinking more specifically about the ventral turrets.The gunners sat upright but were looking below them. Granting that it wasn't through a periscope, which might have made the difference. Computing gunsights would make a big difference in performance, but wouldn't necessarily change the potential for operator disorientation and nausea.

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Interesting photo:

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What company built the lifeboat that was carried by the SAR Lancaster? 
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What company built the lifeboat that was carried by the SAR Lancaster?


The ones carried by the Lancaster were designed/built by Uffa Fox (the person):

http://www.uffafox.com/uffabiog.htm
https://intheboatshed.net/2008/01/30/uffa-foxs-greatest-memorial-the-airborne-lifeboat/

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Thanks for the information Greg, I knew it was not the Higgins' design. 
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