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Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Aero-space => Topic started by: Madhatter on June 11, 2015, 10:28:14 PM

Title: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 11, 2015, 10:28:14 PM
....and no - not an EC635 either ;)
Finally, I have made a start on this. Yeah, I know I was meant to finish the BV222 but that's currently in a state of repair after the box it was resting in was knocked off it's perch by an offending Possum that had managed to get inside the small room where I keep my laughable "stash". It needs a lot of work to fix it and I don't currently have enough enthusiasm for it to complete it
So I thought I would bust this out and start it off.

I am using the Live Resin ammo cases and batteries and that'' be mated to the Black Ops GAU-19. I did have 2 sets of the RB Models brass barrels but am now reduced to one after I found that the muzzle on one was bent in 2 and broke after I tried to bend it back. Shame too because they're a nice set. I may still end up using both of them and use the resin muzzle as a replacement. It's pretty much as thin as the brass one too

I am also using figures for the first time in years. When you see the pics below, you'll immediately realise why I generally don't do figures - I can not paint a figure to save myself.

Here's where I am up to currently:

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1227_zpsrv2btvgp.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1227_zpsrv2btvgp.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1229_zpsxrqyoi8o.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1229_zpsxrqyoi8o.jpg.html)

And before you say anything - yes, I know the center console is wonky. Serves me right for drinking on the job - I think I can fix it ;)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1230_zpsaxoubjrz.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1230_zpsaxoubjrz.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1235_zps0oejljhu.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1235_zps0oejljhu.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1318_zpskquiuubj.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1318_zpskquiuubj.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1325_zpshxnfcx9a.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1325_zpshxnfcx9a.jpg.html)

My abysmal attempts at figures - they need some filler....and some make up -...and maybe some longer arms

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1316_zpsrtie0fy3.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1316_zpsrtie0fy3.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1321_zpsszly9mxt.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1321_zpsszly9mxt.jpg.html)

I know I need to fix them up so they actually touch the controls - I just don't know how. Yet

the engines - man - the control rods are the biggest PITA to attach - they tested my patience even for me and I don't mind fiddly bits. That sounded a lot in my head....

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1239_zpsftgpo1ph.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1239_zpsftgpo1ph.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1240_zpsuuqzkdsw.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1240_zpsuuqzkdsw.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1241_zps4a5f1hxa.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1241_zps4a5f1hxa.jpg.html)

And here's where it's come to a head. It's stalled because I can not work out how I'm going to actually attach my weapons to the 'copter. I know that seems premature, but I need to mold and attach the resin ammo belts into the right shape and length so I can attach them onto the ammo feeder now whilst it's all open. Once the body is closed up, I won't have the room to maneuver the belt through the tiny back window to it's proper resting spot
So, without really thinking this fully through before I began building it, I now really need to decide what structure I intend to use to mount the guns and missile tubes to: A wing/stub like an Apache or Cobra or go for a brace style system like the UH-1's or even the current 635?
Both are feasible but the only thing I don't like about 635/UH-1 style mounting is how obtrusive it is to the sleek design- it also looks weak, where-as a wing-let style mounting would look so much more stream lined. The only down side to that option is where to source the wing-lets from. I saw the ones on Werner's Wings web site and that is just to cost prohibitive for me right at this very moment. The other option is to buy a 1/32 (or 35th) Cobra (if I was lucky enough to actually find one) just for the wings and that's even more cost prohibitive. I also entertained the thought of a Hind type wing but that would just be too big for the little helicopter to hold.
Alternatively, I would have to make a UH-1 / 635 brace myself if I went down that route but I need images of these braces without the weapons on them and pics of the attachment to the body from all different styles and I seem to have a knack at finding jack and sh*t using Google. Any suggestions stored images you may have here will be more than welcomed. Don't get me wrong - I am not a lazy person - I can actually find stuff for myself  but some people have this inane talent to be able to find pics on the net that you yourself have spent stupid time looking for and finding nothing. I am so jealous of that ability

So, that's where I am at. After a lengthy beginning post, I will now return you to your regular broadcasts

In the meantime, I need to go and fix up those figures and do something about that center console - it's really bugging me now that I know it's there. It wasn't until I took the pictures and looked at them the first time on Photobucket after I uploaded them did I see it. Oh well, what's modelling without some drama??

Thanks for looking in

Si
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Modelling_Mushi on June 11, 2015, 11:40:58 PM
Glad to see this one started and I'll send the possum trap down later  >:D



I am also using figures for the first time in years. When you see the pics below, you'll immediately realise why I generally don't do figures - I can not paint a figure to save myself.

My abysmal attempts at figures - they need some filler....and some make up -...and maybe some longer arms

([url]http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1316_zpsrtie0fy3.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1316_zpsrtie0fy3.jpg.html[/url])



Cant see much wrong with your figures - looks like you have Jamie from Mythbusters and his evil twin in there  ;D

Looking forward to seeing more of this one.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Frank3k on June 12, 2015, 12:03:47 AM
For the ammo belt - can't you attach it to the feeder, feed it through the opening and seeing where it ends up? That'll give you an idea as to where to place the brace or winglet, which can be attached later.

As for the winglet, you can always scratchbuild it. Wings are very easy to make, especially if they're short. Harry Woodman's book "Scale Model Aircraft in Plastic Card" has a couple of methods. The book is here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080122044909/www.wwimodeler.com/harry/woodman.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20080122044909/www.wwimodeler.com/harry/woodman.html)
or
http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/libri/PDF_Libri_By_AVIA/Scale_Aircraft.pdf (http://www.avia-it.com/act/biblioteca/libri/PDF_Libri_By_AVIA/Scale_Aircraft.pdf)

You can try making it out of paper first, for practice. Then commit to plastic.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Old Wombat on June 12, 2015, 12:09:51 AM
For the figures you need a razor saw & some putty to fix up their stance/positioning - be bold & don't be afraid to use yourself as a model for how the limbs should look. Bits of wire are useful to set limbs into the correct position while glue/putty dries.

Colour modulation (basically several shades of the same colour plus a little light-tone dry brushing) will get your clothing to look right - shade the valleys & lighten the heights. Be subtle but visible.

For skin tones I use Humbrol enamels, as they blend better than acrylics, in shades of brown & I'm quite happy to custom mix to get the right tones. Again, subtle but visible variations work best

I'll try to get a photo up of my solo (so far) crewman from the slowly progressing Fire Support Boat, Riverine, to show you a decent (not perfect) result. He happens to be painted completely in Humbrol enamels.

To get him to look like he does I had to put a 3mm (ISTR) spacer between the torso & hips/butt to get proper proportions; one leg (can't remember which) was straightened & lengthened; the arms were repositioned, & putty & liquid styrene (styrene off-cuts mixed with Humbrol, in this case but Tamiya works as well or better, liquid cement) to fill gaps & shape the alterations.

Oh ... &, if you want beards & moustaches, pick the shape out with putty or layer up your paint to get some depth.

Hope the suggestions help. :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 12, 2015, 07:28:43 AM
thanks guys

Frank - your quite right - I could feed the belt out the window first but because it's resin, I need to be able to mold it into the correct shape now whilst I can, otherwise, it gets to complex for my tiny little brain to comprehend. I will look up that book tonight when I get home. It sounds exactly like what I need :) I would prefer to use some kind of flexible plastic ammo belt but I have no idea who would make such a belt

Wombat - your post is very helpful. Maybe I shouldn't have glued the figures to the seats just yet..... oh well. I'll just have to take them out and re-do them. They are bugging me as they are. I bought the Flesh Tones pack from Life Colour specifically for this job. Looks like I wasted my money there :)

Will do more to this over the weekend, so an update will be forthcoming....hopefully :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 12, 2015, 10:03:54 AM
I would prefer to use some kind of flexible plastic ammo belt but I have no idea who would make such a belt


Live-Resin (http://www.live-resin.com/) offers flexible resin ammunition feed chutes in 1:35th scale for 7.62X51NATO and 12.7X99NATO that will work for your project. 

LRE 35216   7,62 feed chute from flexible resin, easily mounted, high flexible, 1/35 scale
(http://www.live-resin.com/images/phocagallery/LRE35216/thumbs/phoca_thumb_s_LRE35216-set.jpg)


LRE 35147   50 Caliber feed chutes (this model is made by flexible resin), 1/35 scale
(http://www.live-resin.com/images/phocagallery/LRE35147/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_LRE35147-set-big.jpg)


LRE 35106   M134D 3000 Round Vehicle Magazine with Booster Assembly and ammunition feed chutes, 1/35 scale
(http://www.live-resin.com/images/phocagallery/35106/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_LRE35106-set_b.jpg)


LRE 35107   M134D Ammunition feed chutes , 1/35 scale
(http://www.live-resin.com/images/phocagallery/35107/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_LRE35107-setr_b.jpg)

Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Frank3k on June 12, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
Frank - your quite right - I could feed the belt out the window first but because it's resin, I need to be able to mold it into the correct shape now whilst I can, otherwise, it gets to complex for my tiny little brain to comprehend. I will look up that book tonight when I get home. It sounds exactly like what I need :) I would prefer to use some kind of flexible plastic ammo belt but I have no idea who would make such a belt


I assumed you were using one of the flexible belts Jeff mentioned. Well worth it! You can get Yaroslav's stuff (Live Resin and Tank, which is usually hard to find) at models-hobby (http://models-hobby.com/).
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 12, 2015, 01:23:21 PM
Well, I just bought some of that flexible resin ammo belts from that shop - thanks Frank :)
Now to chase up that book later tonight. I htink it'll be invaluable when it comes to scratch building
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Old Wombat on June 12, 2015, 03:31:07 PM
Well, here's Snowy, the white-blond Port Duty Watch crewman.

Up close all the flaws show up but, without the camera or a magnifying lens, he looks pretty good in situ.

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2992_zpst9eue2qz.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2993_zpsdzxgubsm.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2994_zpsiwteo9um.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2995_zpsslbla2zy.jpg)

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2997_zpsrpq64ejg.jpg)

Snowy on duty.

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/FSBR/DSCN2978_zpsgbhj2lri.jpg)

I wouldn't bag your Life Colour set just yet, I almost bought it the other day, just use it as you feel necessary to get the look you're after.

I tend to try for a more tanned look, the subjects mostly being young soldiers who spend a lot of time out-doors.

Hope this helps, too! :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 12, 2015, 05:24:33 PM
That's nicely done there wombat
Im assuming you paint by brush? I try but I am so accustomed to my airbrush that brush painting feels alien to me. I'm weird like that  :icon_fsm: I'm definitely going to try my hand at modifying these figures though. I'm really not that thrilled about how they look fit now

I checked out that book in the first link just a short time ago and it left me asking more questions than it answered. I'm not sure if what's there in that link are excerpts or the whole chapter? I'm hoping they're just excerpts other wise the book a) is really short and b) doesn't tell you how to make things like wings. From what I read, it seemed more about principles and an overall view of modelling today. I tried the other link but it just won't load on this stupid iPad.  I'll boot up the laptop later and try again

I also had to email models.hobby and change my order from the 50cal belts to the correct ones. I don't know what's wrong with me? Seriously, I see the first thing on the catalogue that resembles an ammo belt and I hit the buy button without actually making sure I had the right thing to start with! No wonder I have so much crap I never actually use!
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: elmayerle on June 12, 2015, 07:41:29 PM
For the stub wings, know anyone who's building a Sikorsky Black Hawk in this scale and not using the ESSS bits?  Of course, given the speed range of this helicopter, you could probably use the universal weapons pylons fitted to the OH-58D and Bell Models 407AH and 407GT (I believe that last designation is the correct one for the armed variant of the latest 407 variant).
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Frank3k on June 13, 2015, 03:38:51 AM
I'm hoping they're just excerpts other wise the book a) is really short and b) doesn't tell you how to make things like wings.


Here's the chapter on wings:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080327095940/http://www.wwimodeler.com/harry/chapter3/09-wings.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20080327095940/http://www.wwimodeler.com/harry/chapter3/09-wings.htm)

Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 13, 2015, 12:39:29 PM
that's much better - thanks Frank!  :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Frank3k on June 13, 2015, 10:52:42 PM
For your figures, Brian "Buzzbomb"'s method is relatively stress-free and produces very good results: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4889.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4889.0)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: dams301 on June 14, 2015, 03:48:32 AM
Nice project Simon, I'll take a seat to see further progress  :D
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Rickshaw on June 14, 2015, 11:13:39 AM
I'm hoping they're just excerpts other wise the book a) is really short and b) doesn't tell you how to make things like wings.


Here's the chapter on wings:

[url]http://web.archive.org/web/20080327095940/http://www.wwimodeler.com/harry/chapter3/09-wings.htm[/url] ([url]http://web.archive.org/web/20080327095940/http://www.wwimodeler.com/harry/chapter3/09-wings.htm[/url])


Interesting.  I worked out a similar method myself, independently to that one...
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 14, 2015, 11:59:21 AM
I know what the issue is with these pilots not being able to reach the controls is: they're 1/35 and the kit is 1:32.
I have fixed up their seams and am in the process of touching them up
I also tried to make up the rb barrels last night and I reckon my sets were tampered with because I was missing some parts from both. plus, the barrels themselves wouldn't fit through the holes in the pe parts. I bent a barrel just trying to get it to fit in so I gave up on those and have gone for the supplied ones which are just as good.
Mind you, I'm also missing the muzzle break off one of them too which meant I had to use the pe one that came with the rb set, and of course, that's slightly bigger than the resin set.
Drama drama drama
Will post pics soon

Si
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Buzzbomb on June 15, 2015, 06:08:28 AM
Simon, pretty nice work so far.

Some good advice from Womby there on the figures. Bear in mind though that with vehicle figues the visibility factor often is less so the amount of effort for an acceptable figure often decreases.
Don't stress what you cannot see.

I am very interested in how this Live Resin stuff goes together for you.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 15, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
Cheers Brian :) TBH, I'm not sure how much will be seen of these guy. I'm hoping the main craft will distract the viewers more
Speaking of which,  a couple of pics to show where I  am at - which is needless to say not very far at all. I've blended the weathering in the back compartment in more. Seeing as this will be an in action battle taxi, the crew don't consider cleaning a high priority. I'm going to see how much room is left in the back there to maybe try and put in another seat. If not, then the back wall I'll make into a com's panel.
This kit seems to have parts for a big IR (?) ball thing up front - maybe even a camera for a Police version. I am wondering how I attach it to the front instead of that silly little nose piece. I can't work out which parts are needed for it.

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1354_zpsdkd3wj3q.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1354_zpsdkd3wj3q.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1355_zpsozovqxlk.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1355_zpsozovqxlk.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1358_zpsx4ppbxra.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1358_zpsx4ppbxra.jpg.html)

The next picture are the guns. The GAU's are a nice size but the barrels were a real PITA to get on and even then, despite my hardest efforts, I still couldn't get them to sit straight.
The M139 (or what ever it is) is nicely detailed but a bit small and next to the rocket launcher looks more like a multi barreled spit ball machine and not terribly menacing. Looks like I may have to try a little harder to get those GAU's looking better

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1359_zpsjq2mpodt.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1359_zpsjq2mpodt.jpg.html)

Nothing else to show sorry. I've been busy with other things (I know - how dare I?!)
Thanks for looking
MH
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 17, 2015, 03:52:34 PM
small update
Well, Had to change the ammo boxes and the batteries (I think that's what they are) around to give me more room to flex the ammo belts when they arrive. Of course, had to touch up the paint around the floors and I have also made a small frame around the ammo boxes so they don't theoretically move around but that's not in the photo sorry - they same after I took some

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1375_zps7vhnhpcp.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1375_zps7vhnhpcp.jpg.html)

Tidied up the engine a bit more and added the missing coupling rod and the exhaust pipes

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1378_zpsihqu8s7q.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1378_zpsihqu8s7q.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1382_zpspytjuo4e.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1382_zpspytjuo4e.jpg.html)

and I have made my own comms panel for the back wall. Given this is a battle taxi, there is no need to hide the wiring :)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1364_zpsp8csi4dy.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1364_zpsp8csi4dy.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1366_zpsnqd3mvxi.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1366_zpsnqd3mvxi.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1399_zpspajwlihl.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1399_zpspajwlihl.jpg.html)

I am seriously thinking about remaking it - but tidier. It looks a bit messy for me presently. I call it good practice

The rocket pods are done and I have almost finished the guns - I just need to do some touch up work

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1388_zpsolg2nuna.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1388_zpsolg2nuna.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1384_zpsju95wumq.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1384_zpsju95wumq.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1392_zpsuj4g6aol.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1392_zpsuj4g6aol.jpg.html)

That's it for now. Just lots of painting touch ups to do. Thanks for looking

MH
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: LemonJello on June 17, 2015, 08:16:32 PM
Mesmerizing.  Some mighty fine work going on here.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 18, 2015, 11:31:08 AM
Thank you :)

I am putting a request out to you all now for a pair of winglets/stubs from an AH-1 Cobra.

I tried to order a set from Chris at Cobra Company but he is the rudest person I have ever had the displeasure of ordering from, so I cancelled it

Word of warning, do NOT give your money to the most unhelpful prick to run an Internet Business. He claims to have a submittable form on his site - you can't even open it and to fill it out, you have to print it and then somehow he majically gets it but doesn't accept emails and his site shows no way of actually submitting it. Then after you contact him for help, you get told to fill out the form and that service charges apply - but no where does he say HOW to submit the bloody form. He makes you feel like your just being a nusiance for contacting him
Serious lack of customer service skills and it's put me right off his company
Maybe you've had a better experience from him but I haven't had one

(Edit: unnessasry swearing removed by my own volition)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 18, 2015, 02:27:20 PM
Sorry to hear about your disappointing experience with Cobra Company.  You are not the first person to experience this and definitely not the last either. 
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 19, 2015, 05:44:01 PM
I probably shouldn't have vented like that, but I was so annoyed. I found his emails came across extremely rude and have a complete lack of customer service skills
Anyway, I'll move on and forget about it. I have more important things to be concerned about, like what shall I have for dinner on my last night of "freedom" (wife and child have been away for last 2 weeks which is how I got so much building done)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: LemonJello on June 19, 2015, 08:07:03 PM
I've ordered from Cobra Co several times without issue, so I offer up my services as an intermediary on your behalf if you can't locate the stub wings you need.  I'd be happy to help out to keep such an amazing project moving forward.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 19, 2015, 09:43:38 PM
I may take you up on that offer yet as I am not getting far with finding stubs anywhere else. It's a very problematic matter of principles for me. I don't want to give him my money but yet he has what I want. However, I appreciate the merits of your offer and will ponder on it  :uuu:

Might might even have another look at Apache wings instead. I liked the relative sleekness of the cobra wings/stubs and they seemed to be about the right size, but the Apache wing might work as a suitable replacement

If all else fails, I may even have a go at making my own winglets  :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: LemonJello on June 19, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
As another alternative, I have a 1/35 Cobra in the stash - I could see about pulling out its stub wings and casting some copies for you?  It may be a while before I get to it though...temps on LemonJello Heavy Industries' production floor have brought all work to a standstill.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 23, 2015, 08:40:39 PM
Well, thank you for the offer, but as you'll see in a sec, I no longer require these wings :)

I have been chipping slowly away at this but since the wife and child have returned, my build time has dramatically dropped. This isn't to say I've done nothing - it just feels like it

I have re-done the com's panel on the back wall and added small things like fire extinguisher etc. You'll notice that the co-pilot's seat is missing  that's because I had to remake another one and it's currently drying the paint on it now.

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1422_zpsy8zu6zvd.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1422_zpsy8zu6zvd.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1427_zpsj1h8ypxo.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1427_zpsj1h8ypxo.jpg.html)

Now for the fun part. I was going to buy a set of cobra wings, then that turned to crap, and I  very nearly took up Lemon Jellos kind offer to buy them for me, but I decided I'd have a go at making my own winglets, and I am pretty happy with how they've turned out. I even went so far as to add rivets  - although as you can see, it was my first time ever using the rivet tool and they're a little wonky. Good thing the wings are black - you can really see them. The rocket pods have been attached as have the GAU mountings. Ignore the slightly wonky one on the left there - I've straightened it out since taking these shots

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1409_zpsl0aearb0.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1409_zpsl0aearb0.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1411_zpsdvbgpzc1.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1411_zpsdvbgpzc1.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1414_zps62no3lda.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1414_zps62no3lda.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1418_zpsb2fsii8s.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1418_zpsb2fsii8s.jpg.html)

The tail section has been completed and is ready to attach to the main body. 10 bucks says I'll break off one of those aerials before the tail is added

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1419_zps9oxz4nta.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1419_zps9oxz4nta.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1420_zpsqhmj9vyq.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1420_zpsqhmj9vyq.jpg.html)

And lastly, the main rotor blades have been assembled and ready to attach to the shaft as dry fitted below:

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1429_zpszpabs2dj.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1429_zpszpabs2dj.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1432_zps07wxyei2.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1432_zps07wxyei2.jpg.html)

Looking at these pics, I am free to admit that it's not my best work ever, especially when you compare it to say someone like Oliver (AKA Shark64 on Britmodeller) who has this stupidly amazing talent when it comes to helos. This is the first chopper I've built in a long time. The last one was a 1/48 CH-53 and that ended up in the bin.
I reckon that at the proper viewing distance (15 ft) this might look OK..... :)
Like most of us, I am my own worst critique  - especially with painting.

Anyways, it's back to your regularly scheduled broadcast and I'll be back with another update soon

Thanks for looking
MH
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: LemonJello on June 23, 2015, 10:04:10 PM
Fantastic!  You've hit this one out of the park.  The stub wings look awesome, the rivets are a nice little added detail.  I think you're going to have a real stunner for the display shelves. 
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Brian da Basher on June 24, 2015, 05:35:19 PM
I've never seen better detail work! Simply amazing!

Those weapons look incredibly convincing!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: gogs007 on June 25, 2015, 02:01:05 AM
Looks great, I can't wait to see the cabin minigun
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 30, 2015, 12:33:00 PM
greetings

Well, I have been really struggling with this one. I've built some real clangers from Revell in my time but this one is just awful in relation to fit. For a newly tooled kit, it's pretty darned bad - especially the plates on the bottom. To be fair, I'm also thinking it could just be bad workmanship too.

At least it's starting to look like an EC-135 and there isn't much more to do - just a few more bits and bobs to add and then I can start painting.

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1439_zpslp4a4e5c.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1439_zpslp4a4e5c.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1434_zps9l3ybjv2.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1434_zps9l3ybjv2.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1436_zpswgzl9tjl.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1436_zpswgzl9tjl.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1437_zpsohyej2ch.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1437_zpsohyej2ch.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1444_zpslmms3yvf.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1444_zpslmms3yvf.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1445_zpsn4vlgug9.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1445_zpsn4vlgug9.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1446_zpsflwig6dk.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1446_zpsflwig6dk.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1447_zpshhmspg9r.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1447_zpshhmspg9r.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1443_zpse5en2hij.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1443_zpse5en2hij.jpg.html)

The coins are there to add nose weight - I forgot to add them earlier and this was the best solution I had on hand.

So, that's where I am up to at present. Not far from the finish line and then I can start the one project I have been dying to do - the 1/32 SU-27 :D So can't wait

Anyway, as always, thanks for looking

MH
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Old Wombat on June 30, 2015, 05:15:55 PM
Ye gods! :icon_surprised:

2c coins? I haven't seen them for ages! ???


Be interesting to see this completed. :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on June 30, 2015, 07:28:19 PM
hehehe - yeah, I found a bag of them at a random shop in Chapel street a few years ago that I got for about $3 (more than what was in the bag) as a fix for the old school XBox over heating issue. They also make great nose weights :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 01, 2015, 02:43:30 AM
He's putting his 2c into this project... ;D
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Buzzbomb on July 01, 2015, 12:34:41 PM
well considering you cannot even get a single lolly now for 2 cents.. probably the best use for them.

Ahh nostalgia, remember when you could get a bag of mixed lollies and you got 2 chico's for 1 cent
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 01, 2015, 04:31:08 PM
I remember when a 2c bag of lollies was enough to fill my hand with sugary goodness - about 10-12 individual lollies from memory. :))
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on July 01, 2015, 05:49:11 PM
And a 50c mixture was an almost garunteed trip to the dentist
What I find funny is you still see prices with a 99c end value to it where it's physically impossible to make that up as hard currency. Not so much as an electronic value though
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on July 07, 2015, 02:55:19 PM
Greetings everyone

Life ponders on and so does this build. It's getting near the finish line now. The paint's on and I've started to weather it to look like a used bird - not a hangar queen. I'm using African Dust and I'm not entirely sure I like it. I may yet spray over it
I"m about to mask off the black window surrounds and have that all nice neat and tidy, then I'll find some decals to add to it, put the weapons on it and she's done
I'm quite happy with how it looks right now - much more menacing than the 635 that was pictured on display The pics below are before the pigments went on - sorry, camera ran out of battery

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1460_zpspgeqz50e.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1460_zpspgeqz50e.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1452_zps8tyownqz.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1452_zps8tyownqz.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1451_zpsnqbvtkis.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1451_zpsnqbvtkis.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1458_zpsidk44a9w.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1458_zpsidk44a9w.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1459_zpsiouc0oft.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1459_zpsiouc0oft.jpg.html)

Well, that's it for now. Next post should be the finished item

Thanks for looking

MH
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 07, 2015, 04:28:04 PM
Looks good. :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Volkodav on July 07, 2015, 08:14:57 PM
Love the shading and the darker panels
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: trickyrich on July 08, 2015, 12:53:50 AM
WOW it does look really nice.

Have been following this build and the work you have been doing is amazing, well done.

Looking forward to seeing the final product of your labours!
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: LemonJello on July 08, 2015, 09:00:38 AM
Loving the paint work.  Can't wait to see the finished bird all armed up and ready to go.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on July 08, 2015, 09:55:15 AM
Thanks guys
My ammo belts arrived today and they're better than I expected. They appear to be made of PVC rather than resin as that's what they feel like, but they are extremely flexible which is fantastic news for me. Not entirely sure how I'll paint them though as I'm not sure what kinds of paint will stick to them. Might have to use pastels.
I glued the weapons stubs on last night and it looks as mean as I hoped it would. Pics as soon as I'm done.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 08, 2015, 05:34:39 PM
You really hit a home run in my book with that excellent, pre-shaded OD paint job! It captures that "in-service" look perfectly!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on July 09, 2015, 12:07:41 PM
Thanks Brian :)

Well, I'm calling this one done (well, pending a couple of paint touch ups but they are minor). This has not been the easiest kit to put together - bad fit issues a plenty here. The main rotor section is just a PITA to put together and would be well suited to someone who builds helo's on a regular basis and know what they're doing. I am just not one of those people.....

It looks more or less how I imagined it would. The post shading I did has blended in more with the semi-gloss clear coat and is not so noticeable, which in my opinion is more real than glaringly obvious shading (one thing that is beginning to irk me somewhat lately are over shaded panels - they just do not look like that in real life and if they do, the paint work on a model needs to be kept in scale - not that I am perfect in that area mind you)

Well, tell me what you think - good or bad - I don't mind :)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1485_zpswv8rx9tg.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1485_zpswv8rx9tg.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1482_zpsz3yfva2l.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1482_zpsz3yfva2l.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1475_zpst6zwqddj.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1475_zpst6zwqddj.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1481_zps22g8npa2.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1481_zps22g8npa2.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1479_zpsmdfcg5oa.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1479_zpsmdfcg5oa.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1494_zps74m4yu4t.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1494_zps74m4yu4t.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1472_zpscgzrxnnz.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1472_zpscgzrxnnz.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1480_zps8fp1r4bk.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1480_zps8fp1r4bk.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1478_zpsyuxmoy05.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1478_zpsyuxmoy05.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1476_zpspkjlpe7n.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1476_zpspkjlpe7n.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/madhatta/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1493_zps5gkto9os.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/madhatta/media/EC-135%20Gunship/IMG_1493_zps5gkto9os.jpg.html)

Well, that's it for this one. I have made a start on my next project - the 1/32 Trumpeter SU-27!

Anyway, as always, thanks for stopping by an having a look

See you soon

MH
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 09, 2015, 02:16:26 PM
Way cool! 8)

The pilots may be a little iffy but a, really, great job on the helo! :) :icon_music:
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: jcf on July 09, 2015, 02:18:03 PM


The pilots may be a little iffy ..

The Scream Twins.  ;D
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on July 09, 2015, 02:52:28 PM
yeah, in hind sight I probably should've left out the pilots but they're there now and there they shall remain ;) I always said they were my Achilles Heal of modelling
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: dams301 on July 09, 2015, 05:55:20 PM
Hi Simon,

Your EC-135 looks really good, I love it  :-*
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Artoor_K on July 09, 2015, 07:22:58 PM
I love it!   :-* But...where is front wiper? :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on July 09, 2015, 07:28:15 PM
LOL!! I was hoping no one would notice my missing wiper blade that's sitting on the bench waiting patiently to be attached  :-[
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Artoor_K on July 09, 2015, 07:36:20 PM
LOL!! I was hoping no one would notice my missing wiper blade that's sitting on the bench waiting patiently to be attached  :-[

Heh, I thought that you're planning to mount something different there :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: LemonJello on July 09, 2015, 08:12:58 PM
The good - Well, everything, really. From concept to final paint, this is one sexy beast.

The bad - It's not on my shelf.

Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: jschmus on July 10, 2015, 12:08:05 AM
I really like this, but it needs wire strike cutters.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 10, 2015, 02:48:35 AM
Nice work.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Frank3k on July 10, 2015, 04:56:52 AM
This came out great. The winglets look good and the ammo belt looks and bends realistically. I like how the panel shading looks subdued and almost invisible in the longer shots but visible and believably shaded in the closet shots.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Artoor_K on July 10, 2015, 05:21:22 AM
Well, that's it for this one. I have made a start on my next project - the 1/32 Trumpeter SU-27!

I'm waiting for it :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on July 10, 2015, 07:50:39 AM
Thanks very much guys, I'm glad you appreciate it. It didn't get so many comments on another forum I frequent but that's life.
I'll do a WIP thread here on the SU-27 if anyone's interested? It'll be real world though, but I also have a T-50 that I intend to do as a WHIF so maybe that'll be more interesting.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: elmayerle on July 10, 2015, 11:00:45 AM
Beautifully done and quite wicked looking.  I will agree, though, that wire strike cutters are needed.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Volkodav on July 10, 2015, 11:54:11 AM
Well worth waiting for.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Madhatter on July 10, 2015, 12:39:27 PM
Wire strike cutters - I'd never heard of them until now. OK, I'll look into it more :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Artoor_K on July 10, 2015, 03:22:10 PM
I'll do a WIP thread here on the SU-27 if anyone's interested? It'll be real world though, but I also have a T-50 that I intend to do as a WHIF so maybe that'll be more interesting.

I'm very interested about your build of both of them :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: dams301 on July 10, 2015, 05:45:25 PM
I'll do a WIP thread here on the SU-27 if anyone's interested? It'll be real world though, but I also have a T-50 that I intend to do as a WHIF so maybe that'll be more interesting.

I'm very interested about your build of both of them :)
+1 here  :)
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: LemonJello on July 10, 2015, 08:05:21 PM
Wire strike cutters - I'd never heard of them until now. OK, I'll look into it more :)

They're also known as bird slicers, I believe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_strike_protection_system

They look like blade antennas mounted above and below the nose of the aircraft.
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 10, 2015, 09:06:54 PM
The wire strike protection feature is also located on other parts of the helicopter.  One example that is easy to find is the many variations of the USAF and US Army H-60 Blackhawk.  Other rotary wing aircraft may have a variation on the basic wire strike protection system fitted in areas other than the nose of the aircraft.  Some rotary wing aircraft will have this feature installed near the landing gear or skids in addition to just ahead of the rotor mast. 

In the case of the Army and Air Force H-60 aircraft the wire strike devices located on the landing gear wheel struts are much smaller and harder to see unless you are close to the aircraft. 
Title: Re: 1/32 EC-135 Gunship
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 11, 2015, 04:20:22 AM
In the case of the EC-135:

(http://www.airbushelicopters.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/wire-strike1.jpg)
(http://www.wotol.com/images/thumbs/800x800/611056_0e1f5ce65f9c9717b5ed810ddd073e95.jpg)
(http://totalheli.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/13/carousel-specialtyproducts-wsps-005.jpg?itok=UPRSDBpS)
(http://www.airbushelicopters.ca/wp-content/themes/blank-theme/images/engineering/wire-strike.jpg)