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Title: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Beekster on June 14, 2016, 09:45:47 PM
Love it. Reno racers would be a great group build.

I agree, Reno Racers that Never Were would be cool.  Aircraft not eligible, because they were or are used at that venue, include the following:

P-51 Mustang
F8F Bearcat
P-38 Lightning
Sea Fury
F4U/FG-1/FG-2 Corsair

On the other hand, everything else is fair game.  A Raiden (Jack), perhaps, with clipped wings?  A P-47 Jug?  A Yak-3?  This is also fertile ground for prototypes, on the assumption that they got sold for scrap and someone got ambitious.  How about XP-55 Ascender or XP-56 Bullet or XP-67 Moonbat?  Those could get expensive, being limited-run and/or resin, but they'd look really wild.  Especially with mild mods like different props.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 15, 2016, 02:04:18 AM
Love it. Reno racers would be a great group build.

I agree, Reno Racers that Never Were would be cool.  Aircraft not eligible, because they were or are used at that venue, include the following:

P-51 Mustang
F8F Bearcat
P-38 Lightning
Sea Fury
F4U/FG-1/FG-2 Corsair

On the other hand, everything else is fair game.  A Raiden (Jack), perhaps, with clipped wings?  A P-47 Jug?  A Yak-3?  This is also fertile ground for prototypes, on the assumption that they got sold for scrap and someone got ambitious.  How about XP-55 Ascender or XP-56 Bullet or XP-67 Moonbat?  Those could get expensive, being limited-run and/or resin, but they'd look really wild.  Especially with mild mods like different props.

Also:

Martin Baker MB.5
Boeing XF8B-1
Republic XP-72
Seafire MK. 46/47
Supermarine Spiteful/Seafang
Kawasaki Ki-64

Anyone notice the contra-prop theme?  8)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Acree on June 15, 2016, 02:26:53 AM
The prototype YP-60E did race at Reno in the National Air Races before they moved to Reno but crashed during qualifying.  Douglas A-26s have also raced at Reno and a DC-7 (once). Clay Lacy raced a DC-7 ("Super Snoopy") at Mojave in 1970, coming in 6th
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 15, 2016, 02:35:49 AM
The prototype YP-60E did race at Reno, as did A-26s and a DC-7 (once).

Ah, "The Big Boy" class: 36 or more cylinders.  ;)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Beekster on June 15, 2016, 04:00:04 AM
The prototype YP-60E did race at Reno in the National Air Races before they moved to Reno but crashed during qualifying.  Douglas A-26s have also raced at Reno and a DC-7 (once). Clay Lacy raced a DC-7 ("Super Snoopy") at Mojave in 1970, coming in 6th

Hmm...why stop at four engines when you can have six?  I need to find a cheap Monogram B-36 Peacemaker, paint it Orange & Black, and put Oregon State University decals on it.  Competition number 36, of course.

Or if two engines is all you think you need, how about an F7F Tigercat retrofitted with a pair of P&W R4360s?
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on June 15, 2016, 10:30:17 AM
Unfortunately if we rule out real types used then the F7F is a no-go, but personally I'm all for re-enginings! Merlin or Griffon P-38, anyone?
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on June 15, 2016, 11:08:17 AM
A F7F with R4360's would need the tail moved aft for both cg and aerodynamic balance considerations; I think a pair of R3350's would be more suitable.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 15, 2016, 11:33:22 AM
Do335s re popular ideas for Racers.

Here is a twin Jumo 222 powered one I sketched up a while back:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/12.jpg)

There is also this one that John Faull did:

(http://agapemodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/080F4238-617E-474A-9A18-993A59069374-31829-000055FF4A03D7C0_zpse34474de.jpg)

I like your garish one though! :)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: FAAMAN on June 15, 2016, 01:45:13 PM
Why not a stripped down Bf 109F/G or H? 8)

How about an Fw 190A/D or FW Ta 152C? 8) 8) All with racer mods :)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on June 15, 2016, 02:29:12 PM
DH Hornet
Hawker Tempest
P-39
CAC CA15
Mitsubishi J2M
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Beekster on June 15, 2016, 11:29:46 PM
Ooohh, I really like John Faul's version.  Of course, being a longtime Mercedes-Benz enthusiast perhaps I'm a bit biased....

Whether or not the subject is an air racer, the idea of a Merlin or Griffon P-38 has always intrigued me.  Why a Merlin wasn't tried during the war I don't know; it worked perfectly well in the Mustang.  Perhaps it had something to do with various entities being vested in the Allison, or not enough production capacity at Packard to supply both the Mustang program and another that would require twice as many engines...that means a tripling of production or a reduction in the number of aircraft produced.  Post-war, a Griffon with contra-props would be wild.

With respect to the F7F and moving the CG aft when using big iron like the R-4360, that sounds like an excuse for two kits and a mild fuselage stretch.  A couple of Monogram 1/72 kits could probably be found pretty cheap, and I think that somebody makes the Corncob engines in resin.  With two kits' worth of engine cowlings it ought to be straightforward.  Hmmmm....
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 16, 2016, 02:56:01 AM
Griffon P-38 has always intrigued me. 


You were saying:

RR Griffon engined with turbocharger:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/P38-grif1.jpg)

And with Supercharger:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/P38-grif2.jpg)

More here (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=765.0)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on June 16, 2016, 05:17:04 AM
P-39
Another one that, if I remember correctly, has featured in races post-war. Or was it only P-63s?
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: apophenia on June 16, 2016, 10:00:41 AM
P-39

Another one that, if I remember correctly, has featured in races post-war. Or was it only P-63s?


P-39Q-15BE NX57591/N57591 'Juba' 1946/'Galloping Gertie' 1948
http://airandspace.si.edu/explore-and-learn/multimedia/detail.cfm?id=4372 (http://airandspace.si.edu/explore-and-learn/multimedia/detail.cfm?id=4372)

P-39Q-10BE (mod) NX92847 'Cobra I' 1946
P-39Q-10BE (mod) NX92848 'Cobra II' 1946-1948

'Cobra I'/'Cobra II' http://ipmsvagabonds.com/page3/page23/page23.html (http://ipmsvagabonds.com/page3/page23/page23.html)
'Cobra I' : http://www.internetmodeler.com/2007/january/first-looks/AM_P39Q.php (http://www.internetmodeler.com/2007/january/first-looks/AM_P39Q.php)
'Cobra II' (Hasagawa build): http://www.hyperscale.com/2013/features/p39cobraii48pd_1.htm (http://www.hyperscale.com/2013/features/p39cobraii48pd_1.htm)

P-39Q-10BE (mod) N9284 'Cobra III' 1967-1968 (rebuilt 'Cobra II')

And there were others ...
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on June 16, 2016, 10:34:49 AM
Cobra, a history of the first twelve years of Bell Aircraft has a whole chapter on racing P-39's and P-63's; fascinating stuff.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 17, 2016, 03:23:34 AM
Perhaps the most radical of the P-63 racers:

(http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=20443&d=1389707622)

And yes, I have a kit of it! ;)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on June 17, 2016, 04:37:08 AM
Ms Roto-Finish? I remember seeing a photo of this in Classic Wings Downunder magazine some years ago as part of a Reno retro gallery.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on June 17, 2016, 05:02:51 AM
With the tiny canopy, it almost looks like a scale-o-rama.  ;D
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on June 17, 2016, 06:19:06 AM
How about a Spitfire Mk.21 with contra-props and the "Speed Spitfire" canopy?  I just happen to have all the requisite parts in the remote southern stash.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 18, 2016, 05:08:29 AM
Ms Roto-Finish? I remember seeing a photo of this in Classic Wings Downunder magazine some years ago as part of a Reno retro gallery.


This is Roto-Finish:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2315/2232321114_f502f7a7ac.jpg)

The P-63 I showed is/was "Crazy Horse Campgrounds"- apart from the minimalist canopy, it also had clipped wings:

(http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/attachment.php?s=5910c352bce361ea41107345a7697290&attachmentid=20447&d=1389707625)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 18, 2016, 05:12:49 AM
Thread for your Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration…

(http://www.santaferocketracing.com/restricted/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/imagemanager/files/Reno_Racers.gif)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on June 18, 2016, 06:32:02 AM
By 'Reno style' do you mean Unlimited Class only, all classes, pre-Reno Thompson Trophy as well?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_Air_Races#Classes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_Air_Races#Classes)
Unlimited
T-6
Biplane
Formula One
Sport
Jet

Between the Wars projects/types that might have been competitive in the post-war Thompson Trophy races:

France: Bugatti or D550 or Caudron C.714R (all real world speed projects)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/C714R_01.png)

Italy: CMASA CS.15 (real world project with FIAT A.S.8 16-cylinder engine, design influenced by MC.72)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/CMASA_CS15_01.png)
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/CMASA_CS15_02.png)

USSR:Bisnovat SK-1 based racer of some sort, or maybe a 'YP-37ed' MiG-3?
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/KleinBernhard/4860L-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 18, 2016, 06:27:50 AM
I have changed the thread title to include all sorts.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 18, 2016, 08:29:47 AM
CA-15 racer:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/CA-15Strega_zps20e3326a.png)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 18, 2016, 08:32:25 AM
Modified Sea Fury:

(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000R88oocI_rd0/s/750/750/air-racing-AV154005.jpg)
(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000mSg7E0Nqtm4/s/750/750/air-racing-AV154003.jpg)
(http://www.prgm.be/medias/album/1988205.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 18, 2016, 09:05:07 AM
In 1/72 from High Planes you could get if still available from Victory Models (https://www.victorymodels.com/collections/aircraft) or Ebay:

Precious Metal
(http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server3100/41ee3/products/145/images/866/HPR072003_BX_revB__08647.1367547582.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1010/6752/products/hpr048012_bx_revb__92392.1359429223.800.600_large.jpeg?v=1444249593)

Vendetta
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1010/6752/products/hpk072004_box_revb__27729.1367547638.800.600_large.jpeg?v=1444249609)

Red Baron
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1010/6752/products/hpr072012_bx_revb__57526.1367549115.800.600_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1444249621)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1010/6752/products/hpr072024_bx_revc__50549.1372839399.800.600_1_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1444249660)

Roto-Finish
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1010/6752/products/hpr072011_bx_revb__33129.1367549066.800.600_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1444249619)

Rare Bear
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1010/6752/products/hpr072022_bx_revc__11124.1359429905.800.600_large.jpeg?v=1444249636)

Critical Mass
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1010/6752/products/hpr072002_bx_revb__57699.1367545510.800.600_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1444249603)

BLIND MAN'S BLUFF
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1010/6752/products/hpr072026_bx_revb__99854.1344832033.800.600_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1444249662)

SMIRNOFF
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1010/6752/products/hpr072013_bx_revb__96673.1368601378.800.600_2_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1444249625)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on June 18, 2016, 08:07:15 PM
I've got quite a few of those kits in the stash Carl    :) :) :)

But this is my idea of an ""ultimate"" piston-engined racing aircraft. I made it up after I had been to the Reno Air races way back when --
'Course it got the camo treatment ---  ;D

Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on June 18, 2016, 08:22:37 PM
Or even this one, the idea was to use a RR Crecy based engine.

The V-12 Crecy was a 2-Stroke, sleeve valve engine of about 5000 hp, in the book I have called 'The Rolls Royce Crecy', a fellow who's name was Trevallion (I think that's how you spell it) and a combustion engine expert, had down-sized the engine until it was a X-16 of about 9 litres putting out about 2500 hp. That was then re-worked into an X-24 of about 25 or 30 litres which was theoretically able to put out 8000 hp.  The book and the one called Rolls Royce and the Mustang, both say that 1 pound of thrust is about 1 hp so I needed an airframe designed for 8000 lbt  ------- sooooo --- I came up with this --- another ""ultimate"" piston-engined powered aircraft

Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 19, 2016, 12:40:40 AM
Nice builds Robert. Like the P-86 where P stands in for piston.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 19, 2016, 07:22:06 AM
Mmmm....

(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/2013/Oshkosh/Racing/EVG_4690.jpg)
(http://www.vg-photo.com/airshow/2013/Oshkosh/Racing/EVG_7894.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 19, 2016, 12:55:30 PM
One can get many of the High Planes kits in 1/48 too - see here (http://www.hpmhobbies.com/categories/Scale-Models/Aircraft/1%3A48/Kits/?sort=featured&page=2).
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 19, 2016, 12:57:24 PM
I love these guys:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CW9cZE8UoAEHFUr.jpg:large)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2a/9a/36/2a9a36aeaa34ccf4504058c4a0bddff8.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kerick on June 19, 2016, 02:38:54 PM
Those aircraft look like sculptures.
Works of aerodynamic art.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on June 19, 2016, 07:52:46 PM
F1 racers are just beautiful    :-* :-* :-* :-*

I was fascinated by them when I went to the Reno Races some time ago, these look even better than back then ---
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on June 19, 2016, 08:20:07 PM
Mind you, this one is something I've been waiting to see:

http://www.shockwave600.com/the-concept.html (http://www.shockwave600.com/the-concept.html)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on June 19, 2016, 08:31:17 PM
Does anyone know if there are any surviving Napier Sabre engines ?  I've read that some Sabre VII engines were bench tested to 5500 hp (they were originally 3000 hp rated)

Although it was a big engine, it wasn't as big as a Corn Cob
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 19, 2016, 08:30:25 PM
There is a cut-away Sabre at the Canadian Aviation and Space Museum. And maybe one in the stash but their website sucks.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 20, 2016, 02:53:38 AM
Shiney!!!

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/F7F_Tigercat_N747MX_La_Patrona_2014_Reno_Air_Races_pit_photo_D_Ramey_Logan.jpg)
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/F7F_Tigercat_N747MX_La_Patrona_2014_Reno_Air_Races_Silver_photo_D_Ramey_Logan.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: FAAMAN on June 20, 2016, 04:46:50 PM
Mmmmmm Tigercat  :P :P :-* :-*
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 21, 2016, 03:30:50 AM
I wonder if there has been given any thought to adopting evaporative cooling systems for any of the modern day racers?
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: perttime on June 21, 2016, 03:25:21 PM
Evaporative cooling has been used. At least Stiletto and Galloping Ghost had it (P-51s without the doghouse) and I think some radial powered racers. I recall some of the more normal Mustangs spray something onto the normal radiator.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on June 22, 2016, 04:21:21 AM
I thought GG had something like that. Now there was a pretty airframe with potential. Such a terrible loss - Jimmy and the plane, both. Still breaks my heart.

There are Napier Sabres out there but they seem divided between museums and Typhoon/Tempest restoration-to-fly projects. Not sure there'd be one available for a racer but that is an idea definitely worth pursuing in plastic/whatever.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on June 22, 2016, 04:29:38 AM
Race 42...isn't that Kevin Eldridge's plane named Relentless that suffered the propeller separation a few years back?
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 22, 2016, 05:19:01 AM
Evaporative cooling has been used. At least Stiletto and Galloping Ghost had it (P-51s without the doghouse) and I think some radial powered racers. I recall some of the more normal Mustangs spray something onto the normal radiator.


Yes some Reno racers such as Galloping Ghost (pictured below) had a kind of evaporative system.  Specifically, it uses a system whereby the oil cooler functions as a boiler, with ADI fluid (Anti-Detonation-Injection fluid, a 50:50 mixture of methyl alcohol and water) serving as the boiling medium. Since all of the equipment is internal to the airframe and no air is required, the result is a very clean airframe and low drag installation. The one downside is that range is severely restricted, that is, the aircraft must have sufficient quantities of ADI fluid to sustain it for the duration of the flight.

(http://leewardairranch.com/system/files/private/u347/aSG-0105.jpg)

I was thinking of a system similar to some of the 1930's racers which had surface panels (often in the wings) to aid the evaporative/steam cooling systems.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 22, 2016, 05:55:59 AM
Speaking of modifications related to cooling, another option was that used by Anson Johnson’s highly modified Mustang looked at the 1949 Cleveland Air Races.  This moved the radiators to the wings


(http://www.stickandtissue.com/yabbfiles/Attachments/P-51D_Johnson_02.jpg)
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd463/Jerry_ONeill/DSC_0703_zps9drycyks.jpg)

Details of the inlets/exhausts during restoration:

(http://www.warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/right-wing-dual-cooling-inlet.jpg)
(http://www.warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/right-wing-dual-cooling-exhaust.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: perttime on June 22, 2016, 02:31:09 PM
Race 42...isn't that Kevin Eldridge's plane named Relentless that suffered the propeller separation a few years back?
It is on youtube, so it really happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhyEnqudx8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhyEnqudx8M)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on June 22, 2016, 07:56:13 PM
Evaporative cooling has been used. At least Stiletto and Galloping Ghost had it (P-51s without the doghouse) and I think some radial powered racers. I recall some of the more normal Mustangs spray something onto the normal radiator.

Yes some Reno racers such as Galloping Ghost (pictured below) had a kind of evaporative system.  Specifically, it uses a system whereby the oil cooler functions as a boiler, with ADI fluid (Anti-Detonation-Injection fluid, a 50:50 mixture of methyl alcohol and water) serving as the boiling medium. Since all of the equipment is internal to the airframe and no air is required, the result is a very clean airframe and low drag installation. The one downside is that range is severely restricted, that is, the aircraft must have sufficient quantities of ADI fluid to sustain it for the duration of the flight.


Reading the technical stuff about the Shockwave Fury, it seems to have something similar
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on June 22, 2016, 11:01:12 PM
I was thinking of a system similar to some of the 1930's racers which had surface panels (often in the wings) to aid the evaporative/steam cooling systems.

Those aircraft didn't use evaporative or steam cooling, the surface radiators were simply that, radiators for the water-cooled
engine. Which is why as the engines got bigger/more powerful additional radiator surfaces were added to the floats.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: KiwiZac on June 24, 2016, 05:06:55 AM
Race 42...isn't that Kevin Eldridge's plane named Relentless that suffered the propeller separation a few years back?
It is on youtube, so it really happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhyEnqudx8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhyEnqudx8M)
I have a chill after watching that!!! Hell! I'm so focused on the Unlimiteds that I don't remember that happening.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on June 25, 2016, 10:25:56 AM
How about a racing P-38 retrofitted with the late-model Allisons and four-bladed props of the F-82?  Perhaps also extend the center nacelle like the "Swordfish" testbed for reduced airframe drag.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2016, 04:39:49 AM
My all time favourite race aircraft - the Pond Racer:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/fc/85/6efc85c3821c5fdd12da479e800e4134.jpg)
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--1DAnCJSx--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/193f8gdv57mvljpg.jpg)
(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/1/7/6/0/9/8/a1524718-216-3%20view%20pond%20racer.jpg?d=1192393137)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/69/5a/2b/695a2be217c09be8a6380a08aab0580f.jpg)

I wish someone would release a 1/48 kit of it.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2016, 04:46:50 AM
And a video of the above - as you can see, it wasn't that large.

https://youtu.be/0p7iNuTe3w0
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2016, 04:53:22 AM
Another purpose built racer was Tsunami - this was somewhat more conventional though:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Tsunami_Attempts_To_Break_The_3k_World_Speed_Record.jpg/1600px-Tsunami_Attempts_To_Break_The_3k_World_Speed_Record.jpg)
(http://www.thetsunamiproject.org/images/history/Tsunami_Profiles.jpg)

https://youtu.be/acyNrW_nkHw (https://youtu.be/acyNrW_nkHw)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2016, 05:07:23 AM
Another favourite - the heavily modified Yak-11 "Mr Awesome":

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ce/53/65/ce53658c52bccfc6171325119fe9c8df.jpg)
(http://www.texasairandspacemuseum.org/yak%20for%20web.jpg)

One can get kits of this...but seemingly only in the weirdo scale of 1/72.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2016, 05:22:32 AM
Another heavily modified P-51 - "Miss Ashley II":

(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/2/3/8/5/a4267344-118-Miss%20Ashley.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2016, 07:55:04 AM
A different sort of racing aircraft: The Mong Sport "Phantom":

(http://www.airventure.de/reno2006/biplanes/reno06_bipe_62_6025.jpg)
(http://www.airventure.de/reno2006/biplanes/reno06_bipe_62_5997.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: FAAMAN on June 26, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
A kit of the Pond Racer in any scale would be insane!!! 8) 8) Didn't realise how small it was, I've a 1/24scale flying model of this to build though. :)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: perttime on June 26, 2016, 03:29:45 PM
Napier Heston Racer, modernised a bit - or maybe with a turbine engine from a commuter airliner?
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: perttime on June 26, 2016, 03:51:08 PM
Schneider Racers converted for wheels ... or skis?
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on June 27, 2016, 02:46:38 AM
A kit of the Pond Racer in any scale would be insane!!! 8) 8) Didn't realise how small it was, I've a 1/24scale flying model of this to build though. :)


1/72 right here ---

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Rev3/2701-2800/rev2794-CobraCo-72030/00.shtm (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Rev3/2701-2800/rev2794-CobraCo-72030/00.shtm)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on June 27, 2016, 08:52:31 AM
The Bernard V4 Schneider aircraft was turned into a landplane:
(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/8305L.jpg)

The leg fairings were used for additional radiator surface.

The Curtiss floatplane racers were also flown on wheels.

http://airminded.net/r3c/r3c.html (http://airminded.net/r3c/r3c.html)

(http://airminded.net/r3c/curtiss_r2c.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: perttime on September 25, 2022, 12:48:47 AM
Mind you, this one is something I've been waiting to see:

(expired Shockwave link)
A SOMEBODY has purchased Darryl Greenamyer's Shockwave project, and is working on it.
There's a private FB group but there isn't much new information, yet (?). People who know who has the project seem confident that it will happen. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1388986708250939/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1388986708250939/)

Shockwave:
- R4360 engine
- Sea Fury wing with shorter center section (10' shorter?)
- F-86 tail surfaces
- a fuselage to tie those together
- at least originally, the plan was to make it Fly by Wire.

2009 photo of where they were when the project stalled
Old artist's impression
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on September 26, 2022, 08:21:33 AM
(https://i.redd.it/b5z0giiygz251.jpg)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Old Wombat on September 26, 2022, 09:26:18 AM
 :-\ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: upnorth on September 26, 2022, 10:30:39 PM
I wonder what you could do for the jet end of things. I know there's classes for the L-29 Delfin and L-39 Albatros, but what other types would be workable?

I also wonder about turboprop types. Scoop up some surplus Tucanos or PC-7s and see what you can do with them.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Frank3k on September 26, 2022, 11:49:58 PM
Avis made/makes a 1/72 version of the tubby Bristol racer. Here's a great build over at Britmodeller (https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235058290-avis-172-bristol-racer/)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on September 27, 2022, 03:27:43 PM
A fitting companion to the Bristol Barrel above .. the Caproni Stipa.

(https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/abpic-media-eu-production/pictures/full_size_0325/1488629-large.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Caproni_Stipa_on_ground.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Caproni_Stipa_from_front.jpg/300px-Caproni_Stipa_from_front.jpg)

Top picture is of the 3/4 scale replica in Toowoomba, Queensland Australia.  Owner & head engineer each flew it once.  In the replica, the pilot sat in rear cockpit & operated the rudder-pedals in the front cockpit.
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: perttime on September 27, 2022, 03:37:47 PM
I wonder what you could do for the jet end of things. I know there's classes for the L-29 Delfin and L-39 Albatros, but what other types would be workable?

I also wonder about turboprop types. Scoop up some surplus Tucanos or PC-7s and see what you can do with them.
By current Reno Racing rules, there is a maximum lap speed and many other limits in the jet class. At least max wing sweep. I think Jet Provosts and Vampires have been flown. Higher speeds would require a different race course.

Turboprops are not allowed in any existing racing class.

... in the what-if world, we can invent out own races ...
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on September 27, 2022, 10:26:47 PM
This is another of my 'make the fastest piston engine powered aircraft' designs. I was going to build it in 1/12 scale and had got hold of a couple of those F-16 cockpit kits that Esci made for it plus some propellers and spinners and wheels. I also got hold of a couple of Collectaire 1/12 F-16 pilots too.
It's still waiting to be built -----
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 23, 2023, 07:58:24 PM
Some very well done profiles and posters of Reno aircraft here:

http://taichi56jp.g1.xrea.com/#Bearcats%20and%20Corsairs (http://taichi56jp.g1.xrea.com/#Bearcats%20and%20Corsairs)
Title: Re: Racing Aircraft Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: perttime on October 24, 2023, 12:44:48 AM
Some very well done profiles and posters of Reno aircraft here:

[url]http://taichi56jp.g1.xrea.com/#Bearcats%20and%20Corsairs[/url] ([url]http://taichi56jp.g1.xrea.com/#Bearcats%20and%20Corsairs[/url])

Oh yes!
Taichiro Yamashita is a legend :) He has been doing racer profiles, 3-views, and posters for quite a while.