Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on July 21, 2013, 04:00:54 PM
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Hi folks,
A thread for your Supermarine Attacker Ideas and Inspiration.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Parked_Supermarine_Attacker.jpg)
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To begin with, how about a '46/'47 scenario with RAF Attackers operating in a forward operating location. All painted up in green and grey.
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I think a nice conversion to do would be to do what the test pilots strongly suggested that Supermarine should do, give it tricycle u/c. Not too difficult I think ---
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'orrible thing: should have spent the money on developing the Sea Hawk faster..... >:D
However, ideas:
1. Turbofan close support aircraft. Replace the Nene with what amounts to a non-vectored Pegasus, i.e. an Orpheus core with Olympus fan stages on the front of it. Hack the rear fuselage about to make it look like the back end of an A-10 nacelle, i.e. a hot pipe in the middle of a cold duct. Fit a Swift-style nose with a nosewheel. Getting appropriately positions main wheels will be difficult with the exisiting wings: my quick'n'dirty suggestion is to replace them with F-84G ones, wihch have nice tip tanks and nice, self-contained gear bay, thus leaving the centreline free for ordnance. Guns can either go in the nose or under the intakes, Swift style. You could even go for STOL capability by claiming that some of the fan air can be ducted down the wings for Buccaneer-style wing blowing.
2. Turboprop close support aircraft. On the other hand, since it's got a tail-dragger undercarriage, why not work with it? Make it into what amounts to a mid-engined Wyvern, with the big turboprop in the centre fuselage driving nose-mounted contra-props via a P-39-style drive shaft. Wings and guns could stay where they are...
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Khemed. with a T-tail.
The Trumpeter kit was already purchased and am waiting for the aftermarket to see what happens there. One thing up for replacement is the tires...as in one's slightly bigger than the correct size.
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2. Turboprop close support aircraft. On the other hand, since it's got a tail-dragger undercarriage, why not work with it? Make it into what amounts to a mid-engined Wyvern, with the big turboprop in the centre fuselage driving nose-mounted contra-props via a P-39-style drive shaft. Wings and guns could stay where they are...
I agree
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I think a nice conversion to do would be to do what the test pilots strongly suggested that Supermarine should do, give it tricycle u/c. Not too difficult I think ---
One would need to reposition the wing further back to do that me thinks. Mind you...move the wing back, move the tailplanes to the nose as canards, add nose wheel...
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(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Visschedijk/6713L.jpg)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/xplane/hp88/hp88-3.jpg)
H.P. 88, Attacker fuselage, Swift wing-roots and fuel system, crescent wing
to test aerodynamics for H.P. 80 Victor. It had porpoising problems
and crashed fairly early in the test program.
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Maybe use in a flexible deck arrangement?
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Attacker with straight wing could benefit from having some wing tip mounted fuel tanks.
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I wonder if it could be streamlined a bit by replacing those big cheek intakes with integral wing root types like the Hunter or DeHavilland twin boomers had.
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Actually, I think the intakes are one of the better bits of design on it. The centre fuselage has to be that diameter, no matter what else you do, to accomodate the (centrifugal) Nene, so you might as well stick an oval forward fuselage on it and use the discontinuity between the two cross sections as the intakes.
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H.P. 88, Attacker fuselage, Swift wing-roots and fuel system, crescent wing
to test aerodynamics for H.P. 80 Victor. It had porpoising problems
and crashed fairly early in the test program.
I'll have to build the Maintrack kit I have of that Jon, along with the 510 & 545 I recently got hold of.
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Take the wings off, paint it Oscar Meyer red, scratchbuild a suitable sized bun and hot dog! Success!
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Last year I wrote an (IMO) awesome backstory about a tri-gear Attacker being developed after the limitations of the tailwheel became apparent, and this version becoming much more successful. Sadly it was lost, along with a ton of other stuff, thanks to a Windows 10 update. Just an idea for someone to pursue :)
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Last year I wrote an (IMO) awesome backstory about a tri-gear Attacker being developed after the limitations of the tailwheel became apparent, and this version becoming much more successful. Sadly it was lost, along with a ton of other stuff, thanks to a Windows 10 update. Just an idea for someone to pursue :)
Sorry to hear that Zac. How did you move the CG forward?
Did you not see this? :icon_fsm:
(http://betanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/no_thanks_windows_10.jpg)
I'm still running 7 and the Windows 10 upgrade nagware is non stop.
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Last year I wrote an (IMO) awesome backstory about a tri-gear Attacker being developed after the limitations of the tailwheel became apparent, and this version becoming much more successful. Sadly it was lost, along with a ton of other stuff, thanks to a Windows 10 update. Just an idea for someone to pursue :)
Sorry to hear about your Windows 10 'update' :P but thanks for the tricycle Attacker inspiration!
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg109719#msg109719 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg109719#msg109719)
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A different sort of tricycle undercarriage approach:
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/GTX_Christmas/1020px-Supermarine_Attacker.svg.png)
Front canards would be angled up somewhat and be high mounted so as to ensure cannon were clear.
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How did you move the CG forward?
Just moving the wing rearward slightly, not as drastically as Greg's image though!
I know, I didn't heed the warnings. The weird thing was that it wasn't the upgrade(?) to Windows 10 that wiped it but a regular "Windows needs to restart to install an update" update. And yes, I have been told many times to backup.
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Do to the Attacker as Lockheed did to the F-104 to get the U-2.
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Do to the Attacker as Lockheed did to the F-104 to get the U-2.
I like your thinking. :)
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I think a nice conversion to do would be to do what the test pilots strongly suggested that Supermarine should do, give it tricycle u/c. Not too difficult I think ---
The new edition of BSP3 has a drawing of a tricycle u/c variant of the Attacker studied by Supermarine. Very interesting and looks to be a fairly doable conversion.
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Geeze. Is Attacker planform I missed. 8)
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I think a nice conversion to do would be to do what the test pilots strongly suggested that Supermarine should do, give it tricycle u/c. Not too difficult I think ---
The new edition of BSP3 has a drawing of a tricycle u/c variant of the Attacker studied by Supermarine. Very interesting and looks to be a fairly doable conversion.
Another book I will have to get. Is there much more in it to make it worth while Evan, I've got all the 1st editions.
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I haven't done a direct comparison, but there is material I've not seen before. I definitely found it worthwhile, YMMV.