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New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« on: February 01, 2015, 11:45:48 PM »
I have already drawn many Mustang seaplanes at http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Suite_Mustangs_V.htm
and many Lightning seaplanes at http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit
But I plan to add new ones especially for this GB.
Any idea (of new shape, as I include no marking)?

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2015, 01:16:24 AM »
Here is the little PB51D-1 Catalistang. According to its code, this is a Douglas flying boat: :icon_ninja:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2015, 01:53:44 AM »
Lovin' that!  :-*

Wonder whether you could have the outrigger floats retract backwards so they could fit against/into the end of the engine nacelles?
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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2015, 02:18:01 AM »
Thanks a lot for this addition, 100% true!
Here is the PB51D-1 in flight, with retracted floats and retracted hull. The 2-blade propellers could be locked horizontal for ditching if there was a jam in the mecanism to bring all down:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2015, 01:12:31 PM »
Now an unknown Lightning Seaplane: the SP-38NL (No Ladder): for mechanicians to work safely on the engines, without dangerous ladders and falling risk, the Lightning engines were moved upon the floats, driving propellers through gears and shafts:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2015, 01:47:32 PM »
The SP-38NL-4 had the same layout but with more power and speed, less range though...: ???

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2015, 02:26:26 PM »
The SP-38NLs had been designed for peace (saving broken legs of mecanicians), but all changed in 1941 with now enemy killers, so was designed the SP-38RD (Rear Defense) saving life of precious pilots:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2015, 01:25:19 PM »
The first mass-produced Catalistang has been the PB51B-1, with no retractable hull. It was produced mainly by Brewster, it seems, with maybe additional copies from North American (unsure):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2015, 09:21:50 PM »
Thanks a lot for this addition, 100% true!
Here is the PB51D-1 in flight, with retracted floats and retracted hull. The 2-blade propellers could be locked horizontal for ditching if there was a jam in the mecanism to bring all down:



Looks really good with the retracted hull.  :-*
I don't know whether it would make any sense at all (not that we'd be bound by any of that anyway, right?) to have the wing mounted like the variable incidence wing of the Crusader? The thinking being that it might help with take-off performance and keep the props and any intakes as far away from the sea water as possible.
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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 01:07:02 PM »
I don't know whether it would make any sense at all (not that we'd be bound by any of that anyway, right?) to have the wing mounted like the variable incidence wing of the Crusader? The thinking being that it might help with take-off performance and keep the props and any intakes as far away from the sea water as possible.
It does not only "make sense" but it has been built, in secrecy. I have to check if there is no more "top secret" on it then I will show it was not delirium at all... ;) (Thanks!)

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2015, 01:18:26 AM »
After checking (in my dreams)... the VTOL PB51 was the PB51E-1 (built by Edo Aircraft), and it is still top secret, alas.
But I have a friend of mine working in Washington (he is the boss of something, I don't know which office exactly) [he is a black man with an Irish name: Barak O'Bama], and he signed the paper nicely for me to present it. Here it is:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2015, 01:53:59 AM »
From a genius idea of ysi_maniac (see http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4057.15 ), here are caterpillar Lightning flying boats, to invade beaches: in 1943 1,999 single-wing PLD-38A have been ordered by the US Marines for Normandy, and 999 tandem-wing PLD-38B have been ordered for Leyte:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2015, 02:19:29 AM »
Of course, the 'Real' PLD-38R had retractable caterpillars and vertical wing assembly:

(still top secret also, forbidden outside of my psychiatric asylum)

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2015, 12:50:07 PM »
Anyone brave enough to take this on?

The Prin-38A (best-seller of the late 1940s) is not easy to build but easy to draw...:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2015, 06:37:53 PM »
The Prin-38A (best-seller of the late 1940s) is not easy to build but easy to draw...:



Like much :)
To build similar in 1/72.  Start with 1/32 Sea Venom ?

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2015, 01:30:05 AM »
Thanks to be inspired! ;)

And, before came the Mustalina PB51B-1 was the Lightalina PB38L-1:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2015, 01:42:00 AM »
The PB38Z-1 Twin-Lightalina was manufactured by... uh, Zockheed?:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2015, 02:18:01 AM »
It seems Zockheed proposed another twin-hull observation aircraft: the PB51Z-1 Twin-Mustalina, but this 3-engined seaplane was rejected, in favor of the famous twin-engined North-American PB82N-1 (nick-named Twin-Mustalina also):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2015, 01:46:37 PM »
Well, Admiral Nimitz was angry: "those land-based bastards laugh at me: they say the -51 Must-something is the best single-engine fighter of the World, not at all a twin-engined patrol flying-boat!". So the Navy leaders found a few zillion dollars to design the F51D-1 single-engine fighter:

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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2015, 02:09:42 PM »
Of course, Admiral Nimitz was happy with the F51D-1 design and he ordered 15,000 copies of it. They were manufactured by Douglas of course but also North American (F51N-1). The Lockheed built ones (F51L-1) were a little different:

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2015, 02:24:07 PM »
When the USAAF ordered the twin-engined XP-82, Admiral Nimitz died from a heart attack. As a tribute to this great admiral, Lockheed designed the F82L-1 Twinimitz:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2015, 03:24:48 PM »
In 1946, there were so many available aircraft being sold by the army and navy, aircraft manufacturers had to invent something different. And then came the PB38A-1: an asymmetric "sport" flying-boat! If you succeed taking off and alightning without crashing, you win a medal! No order came anyway, probably because the price was too much...

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2015, 03:36:00 AM »
Maybe do something akin to the Supermarine Seagull:


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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2015, 01:24:37 PM »
Exactly what I was thinking and was about to mention when I saw your post.  Very tempted to buy the Pro Resin kit.

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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2015, 06:16:41 PM »
Exactly what I was thinking and was about to mention when I saw your post.  Very tempted to buy the Pro Resin kit.

so tempting indeed!

it fells like tyou can plug quite any aircraft shape on top of the wing support ...


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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2015, 02:09:21 AM »
Thanks a lot! I mean: your words prove that the HP-51B and 51D are no more top secret, with their huge V-3300 Double-Merlin engine (5,000hp)...
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2015, 02:42:35 AM »
Now stop about past secret aircraft, let us speak of... future aircraft (not yet Real): my 5 year-old son jacky urged me to draw this egg-Mustang (jackstang) to be built in million copies (scale 1) in 2040, and half of them will be floatplanes for tourism:

Now I let him type on icons (he loves that...): ;) :icon_fsm: :icon_music:

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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2015, 03:34:35 PM »
The Prin-38A (best-seller of the late 1940s) is not easy to build but easy to draw...:
Do you know that the Saro Princess was the Prin-100? (Prin-cent in French) and there have been many giants between the Prin-38 and the Prin-100; among them were the Prin-51 Mustbus and twin-51: Prin-82 Twin-Mustbus (the Twin-Princess was a derivative of the latter one):

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2015, 03:52:17 PM »
Them be 6 & 8 engined beauties.  Specially in styrene :-*

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2015, 07:05:18 PM »
my 5 year-old son jacky urged me to draw this egg-Mustang (jackstang) to be built in million copies (scale 1) in 2040, and half of them will be floatplanes for tourism:
The same with the cartoon-Lightning of Jacky:

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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2015, 07:31:35 PM »
Of course, Daddy Tophe knew a Twin-Jackstang JK-51Z was a possible extra-fun, with intermeshing 4-blade propellers to have more thrill... But let's be serious a little, and the marine JK-51ZH was safer:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2015, 08:28:22 PM »
In the universe of cartoons, there is no drag (of floats or else) to counteract, but a third engine could be added to the Sea-Jackning, just for fun (or beauty contest):

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2015, 10:03:36 PM »
The Sea-Jackning family includes of course twin-planes (Zwillings) and asymmetric jokes (for collectors):

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2015, 10:47:05 PM »
And a glider Sea-Jackning-Zero is being tugged in the air by the powerful single-seater Sea-Jackning-6e:

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« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2015, 03:06:22 AM »
Asymmetric Sea-Jacknings are a rich family:

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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2015, 03:31:07 AM »
No, seriously, here is the jet-sea-Lightning (now jets can eat chickens but at that time they were broken by drops of water):

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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2015, 08:07:24 PM »
The single-jet, single main-float variant featured a V-tail:

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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2015, 08:20:32 PM »
The 3-jet version was very similar (V-tail)... and very different (a flying boat, not a floatplane)...:

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« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2015, 03:45:49 AM »
The Prin-38A (best-seller of the late 1940s) is not easy to build but easy to draw...:
there have been many giants between the Prin-38 and the Prin-100; among them were the Prin-51 Mustbus and twin-51: Prin-82 Twin-Mustbus (the Twin-Princess was a derivative of the latter one):
The Lockheed engineers hated to see the appearance of this Twin-Mustbus, saying "we should have been the ones designing it!", and they urgently answered with the designs Prin-38B and 38C:

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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2015, 03:04:17 AM »
The Prin-38D had no more the look of a P-38, but it was a derivative of the Prin-38B linking to the Lightning family:
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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2015, 05:26:01 PM »
I was running out of ideas : of which P-51 (or P-38) could I invent a seaplane derivative? My 5-year-old son Jacky had an idea: "daddy, please draw a sock-plane!" (avion-chaussette in French). "I will call it Shoshel!" (Chochél or Choshelle in French)... So here is the source (SO-51D) I will base my next seaplanes on:

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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2015, 08:13:45 PM »
Floatplanes have a little problem about lateral stability. The Sea-Soshell introduced a new solution:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2015, 03:08:49 AM »
This evening, my son jacky wanted "a very sharp aircraft to sting the monster". This is it:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2015, 08:08:14 AM »
The ST-51B was different, with a jet-intake. The US Navy technical documentation explains why: "a drunk pilot bailing out increases the jet performance, this is called 'alcohol push' ":

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2015, 01:16:19 AM »
The Twin-Starjacks ST-82B, D, E were two-seaters (in case one of the pilot is too afraid of the monster and bails out before reaching the target...):

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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2015, 02:10:31 AM »
There were also twin-planes (Zwillings) among jet-sea-Lightnings, and that made rare W tailplanes like the Fouga Gémeaux:

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« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2015, 07:33:47 PM »
In 1946, many P-38 experienced pilots became civilian pilots of twin-hull flying boats TH-38:

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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2015, 03:31:14 AM »
I was running out of ideas : of which P-51 (or P-38) could I invent a seaplane derivative? My 5-year-old son Jacky had an idea: "daddy, please draw a sock-plane!" (avion-chaussette in French).
Same situation again... and my little boy said: "Daddy, please draw an aircraft dinosaure!". I was ready to say "it is not possible, my dear", while... I tried. And he coloured it... Now I just have to take the marine plesiosaure basis instead of the land brachiosaure, and this will be 'appropriate' for here... (It is not crazy: the truth of tomorrow will be the idea of current children...):

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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2015, 01:18:06 PM »
 :icon_crap: It seems the drawing above produced like a tempest among prehistotic scientist experts... I received an angry mail from Pr Peter F. Miller:
"I deny completely that the skin of the Mustangosaure was dotted to hide from predators in flower fields (and that the skin of the Plesiosaure was dotted to hide from predators in waterlilly fields), no this is childish fantasy. Of course, Mustangosaure bones have been discovered in America, and Plesiostaure bones have been discovered in China, but the DN-51 code was not at all in Dinosaur language, just a classification in human museum!"

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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2015, 02:24:51 PM »
Those prehistoric museum seems very interesting... We required what was classified as DN-38 and got this (unsure drawings, to be confirmed):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2015, 02:47:01 PM »
Science works as perpetual correction...
The top-paleontologists have modified the drawing of DN-38s: the wing and shoulder are different, and the name of the marine DN-38Hs is at last Plesionings:

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« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2015, 03:00:33 PM »
Pr Miller told us that this was half top-secret untill he publishes in the Nature famous scientific magazine, but he authorized us to see one last file and he required a number. At random, I said "82!", and here is the surprising result, like a mix of DN-38 and DN-51!:

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« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2015, 05:32:04 PM »
Beautiful animal/aircraft hybrids!

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« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2015, 06:10:08 PM »
I do appreciate very much this comment from the great Master in the field of aircraft/animal mixes! ;)

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2015, 07:04:07 PM »
Now, let us stop fantasy: this is a very serious Website, and today is Valentine's day celebration. A Mustang hydroplane tells it better than me:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2015, 11:11:44 PM »
Good stuff!
So far, I especially like the Jackstangs and Jacknings  :-*

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2015, 11:42:17 PM »
Thanks a lot, perttime! ;)

Now, let us stop fantasy: this is a very serious Website, and today is Valentine's day celebration. A Mustang hydroplane tells it better than me:
There were 2 remaining problems, and I had to draw a complement:
- There is not less tenderness in a (civilian) Lightning than a (civilian) Mustang
- My son was a little jealous, and I must add words celebrating his own love
« Last Edit: February 14, 2015, 11:57:25 PM by Tophe »

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« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2015, 12:19:19 AM »
In 1946, many P-38 experienced pilots became civilian pilots of twin-hull flying boats TH-38:
The TH-38 had a very small lifting area, and the French license-built models cured that:
- the Hurel-Dubois TH-38HD featured a giant span
- the Delanne TH-38DE featured tandem wings

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2015, 05:28:16 PM »
Of course, Mustangosaure bones have been discovered in America, and Plesiostaure bones have been discovered in China, but the DN-51 code was not at all in Dinosaur language, just a classification in human museum!"
History/Paleontology may be a thrilling adventure you know:
My 5-year old son Jacky is the top leader among French/Filipino paleontologists and he denied this name Mustangosaure, arguing that the DN-51D was a Mustandocus (cousin of the diplodocus) and not Mustangosaure (cousin of the stegosaure). I had 12 years of search (shortened into 12 hours thanks to my time machine) done to solve this mystery, and I got the answer at last: the stegosaure cousin was the DN-51B Mustegosaure (see below), but scientists cannot talk about it at all, under pressure of the oil companies, refusing to let the people know that, 60 million years ago, flying dinosaurs were already using solar electricity, without any kerosen!

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2015, 02:33:36 AM »
:icon_crap: It seems the drawing above produced like a tempest among prehistotic scientist experts... I received an angry mail from Pr Peter F. Miller:
"I deny completely that the skin of the Mustangosaure was dotted to hide from predators in flower fields (and that the skin of the Plesiosaure was dotted to hide from predators in waterlilly fields), no this is childish fantasy. Of course, Mustangosaure bones have been discovered in America, and Plesiostaure bones have been discovered in China, but the DN-51 code was not at all in Dinosaur language, just a classification in human museum!"



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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2015, 01:20:48 PM »
Uh? I am very surprised that you have ever heard of the top-secret seaplane COLA-38Y... Why such a design? It was simple: the engines of the P-38 were too far from one another, with strong asymmetry if one engine is in a jam. So the left engine and wing were moved towards the right ones and the cockpit was moved elsewhere. Simple but secret (as no other army has ever thought of this, don't repeat it!)

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2015, 12:15:16 AM »
For the derivatives of the Cola-38, I must check my words, because free advertisement is forbidden in my country.
Well the civilan derivative with empty nose was the Cola-38P Pepso, and the military derivative of it (with a pod above) was the Cola-38C Coco (1,000,000 copies ordered by Bolivia, before cancellation due to false money payment):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2015, 01:21:30 AM »
Other derivatives with booms (and propellers) close to one another, the Cola-38D, E, F:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #63 on: February 19, 2015, 03:58:46 AM »
My son Jacky required me to draw a Schtroumpf-aircraft. Here it is (I don't know the exact English name but this was the model licence-built in France):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #64 on: February 19, 2015, 04:31:25 AM »
schtroumpf is smurf in english

excellent!


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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #65 on: February 19, 2015, 01:51:50 PM »
Thanks a lot, ericr!
Here is the family including the twins:

Question: is "seaplane" feminine in English (as "ship")? I would have to draw twin-sisters instead of twin-brothers... (double-shtroumpfette)

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2015, 03:50:51 AM »
Then my son required that I drew a hammerhead-shark aircraft (he saw that for the first time on Internet). This is just a fish, not a ferocious shark.

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2015, 03:02:25 PM »
Of course, Daddy Tophe added Siamese twins:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2015, 02:23:52 AM »
Then my son required that I drew a hammerhead-shark aircraft (he saw that for the first time on Internet). This is just a fish, not a ferocious shark.
My son disagreed about the drawing of hammerhead helicopter I made:
- he said a helicopter/fish does not have such big wings
- he required windows, as an aircraft must have passengers (according to him)
So:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #69 on: February 25, 2015, 02:40:19 AM »
This evening, my son required that I draw a moon-aircraft. So here are two MP-51 Moonstang (MP-51D and B), with a floatplane derivative:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2015, 01:22:25 PM »
The FMP-51 Moonstang-II (and Sea-Moonstang-II) introduced a forward-swept version of the Moon-wing:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #71 on: February 28, 2015, 05:14:40 AM »
The North-American Moon-Wing license was bought by Lockheed for improved Lightning (Moonning) and Sea-Lightning (Float-Moonning):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #72 on: February 28, 2015, 04:32:21 PM »
No idea anymore on my side, sadly... then my little son asked "daddy, can you draw an aircraft-glasses, or sunglasses?". Yes, thanks! P-38S (and FP-38S):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #73 on: February 28, 2015, 11:23:05 PM »
Far from war, triceratops dinosaur bones were discovered in Kansas, 1943. And Lockheed designers took this idea to present the P-138 Tricerightning rammer-interceptor-floatplane, but USAAF pilots did prefer guns. Anyway, Japanese spies got the plans and Kawasaki built the Ki-138 Lightniceratops that pleased Japanese pilots very much, and many Ki-238 Lightniceratops-Futago (Twin-Lightniceratops) entered service to break down the B-29 fleet, what they did with full success (this was 60 million years ago, 1944 weeks after Jesusaurus Rex):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #74 on: March 01, 2015, 03:20:49 AM »
Of course, humanity has disappeared a long time ago, but the new dinosaurs are referring to them to chose their names, like the Peethirtyheighteratops and their Siamese twin cousins:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #75 on: March 01, 2015, 03:58:01 PM »
The BP-38A Lightning Fortress heavy fighter used to break its tail wheels but the Float-version BP-38F had no problem (and a very good defense):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2015, 01:18:05 AM »
Trimaran TR-38 with engines in external hulls (driving pusher propellers through gears and shafts):

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #77 on: March 07, 2015, 04:12:04 PM »
Far from war, triceratops dinosaur bones were discovered in Kansas, 1943. And Lockheed designers took this idea to present the P-138 Tricerightning rammer-interceptor-floatplane, but USAAF pilots did prefer guns. Anyway, Japanese spies got the plans and Kawasaki built the Ki-138 Lightniceratops that pleased Japanese pilots very much, and many Ki-238 Lightniceratops-Futago (Twin-Lightniceratops) entered service to break down the B-29 fleet, what they did with full success (this was 60 million years ago, 1944 weeks after Jesusaurus Rex):
I must admit the P-138, Ki-138, Ki-238 were fantasy jokes: my son had required me to draw a triceratops airplane, but this morning he required a styracosaurus-airplane, and this is very different: in 1945, when the evil Hitler prepared the drop of nuclear bomb on New York, the New York Air National Guard ordered 1,000 Styracostang rammer-interceptors (powered by brain-energy), and 2,000 Sea-Styracostang (as an attack of ANG airfields would be of course the first step in the awful attack):
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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #78 on: March 08, 2015, 03:32:52 AM »
The 4-engined Lightning (Model 222x4) was proposed to the US-Navy as a floatplane (222x4F), and it was ordered in 22,222 copies... but this was cancelled, admirals saying this was a joke, alas.

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #79 on: March 08, 2015, 12:59:28 PM »
The next day:
- Hello Admiral Nimitz!
- Hello Lockheed seller! What joke are you selling today?
- No joke admiral but a much improved version of the double-power Lightning: Model 222x4N! With N like Nimitz, yeah! You will be the celebrated winner forever!
- I buy 222,222 copies! Let you build 222 factories for that urgently! hehehe!
- War is not funny, admiral...
- So: please design seriously!

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #80 on: March 21, 2015, 04:04:56 AM »
My son wanted an aircraft-train, and... this is far from this floaty subject here, but I drew both a steam locomotive-plane and a steam flying boat, both Mustangs.

No, seriously: in 1943 the Luftwaffe had destroyed all English airfields, only the RP-51D Railstang could take off from the (unbroken parts of the) railway... And after the Axis invaded Middle East and took all the oïl, the Royal Navy counterattacked with the charcoal-burning Musteam SP-51D flying boat:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #81 on: March 21, 2015, 04:20:56 AM »
Both you and your son have very active imaginations! Looks like fun!

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #82 on: March 21, 2015, 05:48:13 AM »
Both you and your son have very active imaginations! Looks like fun!

you both form a very creative team indeed!

I am thinking about building a book-winged aircraft someday, maybe ...


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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #83 on: March 23, 2015, 01:12:58 AM »
Thanks!

Well, as my son discovers dinosaurs again and again with youtube, he required his daddy (myself) to draw a tsintaosaurus-airplane... (tsintaosaurus is a Chinese dinosaur eating leaves), so the USAAF sent Lockheed Ts-38A to China lakes over Himalaya, from Burma.

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #84 on: March 23, 2015, 12:59:56 PM »
A new and hard puzzle: the waterlilly-airplane... Lord, that has never never been possible, I thought, but I checked the secret archives and... YES: while the US Navy refused the Mustang, the Marine Corps ordered the twin-engine push-pull VTOL Lillystang:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #85 on: March 24, 2015, 01:51:43 AM »
After the crash (or splash) of the 5 Lillystang prototypes, the contract for 20,000 Lillystangs was turned into 10,000 Twin-Lillystang, simply perfect in stability. And this was such a revolution in engineering that the Axis surrendered immediately (despite what said the Soviet "historians", the West never commited mass-murders of babies in Dresden and Hiroshima, no, never!).

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2015, 02:06:26 AM »
The Hydroning A, B, C were twin-boom twin-engined single-seaters related to the Lightnings but their engines were not included in the booms:

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #87 on: April 05, 2015, 02:35:52 AM »
My son required a mermaid-airplane because he loves the cartoon "Marina, Zig & Sharko", so...

How to classify her? human or animal or machine? flying boat or floatplane or triphibian somehow??? ;)
Anyway, be careful, she is very dangerous in the sky: a smile and bam, you're dead (heart attack)...

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Re: New Mustang & Lightning seaplanes
« Reply #88 on: April 05, 2015, 03:56:55 PM »
Young engineer Jacky Miller, not yet 6-year old, required a sun-airplane (or sun-seaplane). I asked: "a plane driven by solar electricity like on TV last week?". He said "No: a plane which is the Sun!". Ah, problem: I built a sun-flying boat with an extra piston engine for safety, and it flew vey well. So I removed the engine and yes: solar power was enough! Miracle!

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