Beyond The Sprues
Current and Finished Projects => Profiles and Pixels => Topic started by: Thiel on February 08, 2012, 05:49:53 AM
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We've got entirely too many aircraft around here and nowhere near as many ships as we need, so I thought I'd post a few of my creations.
All three ships belongs to an alternate Denmark I'm working on.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/Destroyer1965/destroyer_1965_-_1992_v3.png)
A destroyer based on the Peder Skram Class frigate. This is how she looked at the end of her life. I've got her earlier guises on the slip, but they're not quite finished yet.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/Aalborg/cruiser_project_1921_v10.png)
A cruiser project from the early twenties.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/Minehunter2000/sund_class_v7.png)
An inshore minesweeper based on a SeaCoaster hull
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We are an aviation-obsessed lot, aren't we :D
I'm not all that boat-y myself but I do like that SeaCoaster minesweeper. Looking forward to hearing more about your Alternative Denmark too!
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I am, for sure, obssed with aviation, but I do enjoy ships (and tanks and other machinery...) and your's is great! Good Job.
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Nice work.
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Thank you.
Here's a couple more
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/Tender/tender_v3.png)
A tender based on a real proposal from 1922
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/Neverbuild/Denmark/43msub/43m_submarine.png)
The preliminary design for what became the Springeren class
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/Neverbuild/Denmark/FregatProjekt1957/fregat_projekt_1957.png)
A real proposal for a frigate to replace the Hunts and Flower class ships in the RDN. Discarded in favour of the Peder Skram class
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/Neverbuild/Denmark/Aircraft/hm_3.png) (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/Neverbuild/Denmark/Aircraft/ov-j-1.png)
Two proposed aircraft for the RDN from the thirties.
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Nice ships! I have to say that the destroyer and frigate both have a very British look to them. The destroyer looks like a cousin of the Type 42 and the frigate has a bit of a Leander look to it.
I like your aircraft but wasn't the HM.3 the Dantorp/Horsley biplane??
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Nice ships! I have to say that the destroyer and frigate both have a very British look to them. The destroyer looks like a cousin of the Type 42 and the frigate has a bit of a Leander look to it.
Thanks. The destroyer is probably closer to a Charles F. Adams tuned for the Baltic rather than a Type 42 though, and the frigate is essentially a Danish Type 41.
I like your aircraft but wasn't the HM.3 the Dantorp/Horsley biplane??
Nope, that's the H.B. III
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EH: the RW Marinens Flyvevæsen designations of the time included the landing gear style, wing layout description, and type number. The former included F (flyvebåd or flying boat); H (hydroplan or floatplane); and L (landfly or wheeled gear). Wing layouts were, obviously, B (biplan) and M (monoplan). Type numbers were rendered as Roman numerals.
The MF seems to have contracted descriptions (eg: hydrobiplan) while the main aircraft maker, Orlogsvæft, broke these down with its initials as suffix (eg: OV-hydro biplan). This is also shown in OV-J-01 which was the manufacturer's designation, not the potential end user's.
BTW, the Orlogsvæft's March 1938 H.M.III concept was basically for a H.M.II (Heinkel HE 8 replacement). The requirement was dropped when it was concluded that naval reconnaissance no longer dictated a float gear.
As Thiel said, the Dantorp was designated H.B.III. I presume that the H.B.IV was to be the undelivered Heinkel He-114s (the contract wasn't signed until 02 March 1940).
The OV-J-01 (for Orlogsværftet Jager 01) project was proceeded with but the localled-made Fairey P.4/34 (L.M.I) had priority. With the OV-J-01 (aka Marinejager) lagging, the MF ordered 12 interim Macchi C.200s from Italy. Since neither type was delivered, we can't be sure which design would have received the L.M.III designation (L.M.II being the KZ-II Sport lightplane).
I have a soft spot for things Danish ... hope this nerdy diversion doesn't come off as too JMN-ish :-\
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I dug out an old whif take on the Danish H.M.III requirement. As an HE 8 replacement, I decided to stick with Heinkel and went with a floaty variation on the He-170.
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Nice, but it would probably have had the same silver paint-job as the other navy aircraft. Only the army used camouflage.
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Another one.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/pg1938_v7.png)
This drawing came about as part of a friendly competition we had over at Shipbucket a while back.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/pg1938_v7_with_mines.png)
And here she is with mines.
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Very interesting Thiel. Would this frigate/minelayer replace RW 'Cruiser Corvettes' like Valkyrien or introduce an entirely new frigate class?
Aircraft Camouflage: That RW silver scheme gave way to 2-tone camouflage just before the invasion. L.B. V Nimrods got their's in 1939. IIRC, the Heinkels were re-painted in early 1940 (the Greenland-based HE 8s were an exception, they kept their high-visibility red schemes). See this Orlogsmuseets H.M.II photo:
http://www.navalhistory.dk/images/Luftfartoejer/PopUp/HeinkelHE8(HMII).jpg (http://www.navalhistory.dk/images/Luftfartoejer/PopUp/HeinkelHE8(HMII).jpg)
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Very interesting Thiel. Would this frigate/minelayer replace RW 'Cruiser Corvettes' like Valkyrien or introduce an entirely new frigate class?
Neither. In my timeline the Valkyrien class was retired just after WWI like they should have been. They were replaced by the cruiser I posted above. The rapid increase in cruiser capabilities in the inter-war period meant that Denmark couldn't afford to build a replacement class, so instead they built the Sehested class.
Aircraft Camouflage: That RW silver scheme gave way to 2-tone camouflage just before the invasion. L.B. V Nimrods got their's in 1939. IIRC, the Heinkels were re-painted in early 1940 (the Greenland-based HE 8s were an exception, they kept their high-visibility red schemes). See this Orlogsmuseets H.M.II photo:
[url]http://www.navalhistory.dk/images/Luftfartoejer/PopUp/HeinkelHE8(HMII).jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.navalhistory.dk/images/Luftfartoejer/PopUp/HeinkelHE8(HMII).jpg)[/url]
Oh, didn't know that. Well, you live and you learn.
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(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/FD/danish_pby6a.png)
Not a Whif, though some serious WAGging was involved.
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:)
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(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Misc/blue_steel.png)
Blue Steel with a more appropriate paint scheme.
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Love it!
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And now for something entirely different.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Gunbucket/pattern_1796_light_cavalry_saber.png)
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Always liked the look of that late-model Canso in Danish colours! (Oh, and thanks for the explanation on the frigate/minelayer.)
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Always liked the look of that late-model Canso in Danish colours! (Oh, and thanks for the explanation on the frigate/minelayer.)
Everyone loves Hi-Viz. ;)
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And now for something entirely different.
([url]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Gunbucket/pattern_1796_light_cavalry_saber.png[/url])
Well that is certainly different. Keen to see more.
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And now for something entirely different.
([url]http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Gunbucket/pattern_1796_light_cavalry_saber.png[/url])
Well that is certainly different. Keen to see more.
I wonder if a model 1860 U.S. light cavalry saber is next?
Brian da Basher
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Actually the USS Newport LST-1179 is next. :P
If you've got a picture or drawing that shows it in profile I can do the sabre after that.
If anyone have one of the Pattern 1796 Heavy Cavalry Sword I'll do that as well.
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I'm not entirely sure why, but people on another forum kept asking me to do a butter knife.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Gunbucket/butter_knife.png)
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I thought that
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Gunbucket/pattern_1796_light_cavalry_saber.png)
was a BUTTER-KNIFE !! :icon_killbill:
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Okay so it's not the USS Newport. I got distracted and drew this instead. It happens alot.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/Amphibious/sleipner_class_v1.png)
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Very good!
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Nice open space there for helicopters, Harriers, and V-22s to land on.
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Me thought same as elmayerle.
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I'll admit that the thought of landing a Harrier there, let alone a helicopter on the cargo deck hadn't crossed my mind.
In fact I don't think it would have crossed Ian "Soapy" Watson's (http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/Oldies__Oddities_.html) mind either.
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Time for some proper wifs.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/A%20Different%20Denmark/Aircraft/Banshee/Banshee%20Family.png)
Reconnaissance drones based on the Meggit BTT-3 Banshee 500 target drone.
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Reconnaissance drones based on the Meggit BTT-3 Banshee 500 target drone.
Cool. And much better-looking than the RealWorld Crécerelle and Sperwer UAVs :)
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Cool. And much better-looking than the RealWorld Crécerelle and Sperwer UAVs :)
Thanks.
Well, since the original file seems to have gotten lost, here's and updated version.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/A%20Different%20Denmark/Aircraft/Banshee/Meggit%20BTT-3%20Banshee.png)
FRD: Photo Reconnaissance Drone
TRD: Tactical Reconnaissance Drone
TD: Training Drone
MD: Target Drone:
Otto the Owl: Unofficial modification. One down-checked drone converted for use by the Armed Forces Press Corps
FRD1: First real recon drone. Fitted with three cameras. Optionally, one can be replaced by a low-light or IR camera
FRD2: Upgraded cameras. One combined optical/IR camera.
TRD1: Enlarged fuselage and wings, full day and night capability, tactical datalink allows direct access to the imagery by the troops on the ground.
TRD2: Enhanced engine and prop allows for greater time on station. Target illumination laser incorporated into the sensor head.
TD1: Training Drone. Converted FRD1. Used for initial training and display flights (Hence the paintjob)
MD1: Basic target drone.
MD2: Onboard laser receiver allows for virtual training. Can also be used as a target tug.
And its completely imaginary big brother the Super Banshee
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/A%20Different%20Denmark/Aircraft/Banshee/Meggit%20BTT-4%20Super%20Banshee.png)
TRD3: New design, faster, higher endurance, higher service ceiling (Great for poking around Afghan mountains) more capable sensors and targeting systems and a basic self defence suite.
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/A%20Different%20Denmark/Aircraft/Heinkel%20He%20219/Heinkel%20He%20219%201946-1948.png)
Heinkel He 219 in Danish post-war Hi-Wiz markings.
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I like your thinking!!! :)
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Thanks.
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Very cool idea. Any idea if RW Luftwaffe He 219s operated from any Danish airfields? Nice backstory if a few Uhu were abandoned on the field at Aarhus in May 1945.
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Very cool idea. Any idea if RW Luftwaffe He 219s operated from any Danish airfields? Nice backstory if a few Uhu were abandoned on the field at Aarhus in May 1945.
Well, the three He 219s that the USAAF brought home as part of Operation Lusty belonged to Nachtjagdgeschwader 1 which was stationed at Grove (Now Karup) airbase.
My idea is that while the USAAC Intelligence was busy there, a similar Danish team, albeit much smaller in size and scope, was busy hiding three other machines that had landed at other airfields around the country.
Then, once the Americans had left, they brought them out and used them to train night fighter pilots for a couple of years until they received new night fighters from Britain in 1952.
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The Danish He-219s are a great idea!!!
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Thanks.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/A%20Different%20Denmark/Aircraft/Heinkel%20He%20219/Heinkel%20He%20219%201948-1950.png)
in 1948 they were repainted in a proper night fighter scheme.
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A very plausible backstory then. And the 1948 scheme is gorgeous Thiel!
I've read that the destruction of abandoned ex-Luftwaffe aircraft (and other German weaponry) in Denmark was actually order by the British military (in accordance with the terms of the Yalta Conference).
Obviously in your AltHist, Denmark strikes a more independent pose. Will the Hærens Flyvertropper take on other ex-Luftwaffe types?
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A very plausible backstory then. And the 1948 scheme is gorgeous Thiel!
Thanks.
I've read that the destruction of abandoned ex-Luftwaffe aircraft (and other German weaponry) in Denmark was actually order by the British military (in accordance with the terms of the Yalta Conference).
That was indeed the case, but the key point here is that the equipment was either abandoned or surrendered to British troops. The Yalta conference didn't apply to war booty. In this AltHist the Danish government managed to escape and formed a government in exile. During the closing days of the war a large number of agents were inserted into Denmark along with the paperwork and uniforms required to "legalize" the resistance fighters. These scratch units would then assault key military installations just before the armistice came into effect. That made any equipment seized legal spoils of war and thus exempt from British jurisdiction.
Obviously in your AltHist, Denmark strikes a more independent pose. Will the Hærens Flyvertropper take on other ex-Luftwaffe types?
That's the plan, though they'll mostly be replaced by Allied equipment within a few years. The equipment will primarily be used to tide the armed forces over until a successor to the lend lease agreements can be arranged.
Also, the Uhus were operated by the Navy, not the Army. They were transferred to the newly established Air Force in 1951.
And speaking of equipment, here's the Rutan Long-EZ in Post-War Hi-Wiz scheme.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/A%20Different%20Denmark/Aircraft/Rutan%20Long-EZ/Rutan%20Long-EZ%20Hi-Wiz.png)
Three units was acquired in 1981 for evaluation as a familiarization trainer for the Saab Viggen after a number of very close calls during training. It was fitted with an uprated engine, a light weight bang seat and beefed up landing gear. In order to accommodate all that the rear seat was removed and replaced with an auxiliary fuel tank. Unfortunately, while it produced an excellent aircraft, it was a failure at its intended role.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/A%20Different%20Denmark/Aircraft/Rutan%20Long-EZ/Rutan%20Long-EZ%20FAC.png)
The aircraft was put in storage for a couple of years until 1987 when the air force started looking for a new FAC plane. On paper it seemed like an excellent idea since the AC had long endurance, the bobble canopy provided excellent all-round visibility and it had plenty of weight reserves to carry the required equipment. Unfortunately it proved to be too much of a handful to fly to be effective and the plan was scrapped.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/A%20Different%20Denmark/Aircraft/Rutan%20Long-EZ/Rutan%20Long-EZ%20Display.png)
The aircarft then spent another year in storage until it was decided to revive the air force's demonstration team. With its outlandish looks, high manoeuvrability and ability to carry a smoke generator under each wing it proved excellent at the job and since it had a bang seat and a much higher power-to-weight ratio than the other trainers the pilots were allowed to pull far more dramatic stunts.
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Very interesting ... thanks for the details. Thanks too for the Uhu operator corrections. I was wondering about those swallow-tailed flag ;)
The FAC Long-EZ could also act as surrogates for Israeli Aeronautics A-701 Dominator UAV. Then no need for a Danish Sperwer :P
http://stargazer2006.online.fr/derivatives/dominator.htm (http://stargazer2006.online.fr/derivatives/dominator.htm)
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Very interesting ... thanks for the details. Thanks too for the Uhu operator corrections. I was wondering about those swallow-tailed flag ;)
All three branches uses the split tailed Dannebrog as fin-flash, but the navy uses a slightly darker colour.
The FAC Long-EZ could also act as surrogates for Israeli Aeronautics A-701 Dominator UAV. Then no need for a Danish Sperwer :P
[url]http://stargazer2006.online.fr/derivatives/dominator.htm[/url] ([url]http://stargazer2006.online.fr/derivatives/dominator.htm[/url])
Well, not quite. The FRD1 entered service in 1991, some 14 years before the A-701.
The TRD3 is the more attractive solution since it shares a lot parts with the TRD2 and it's partially constructed in Denmark.
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/A%20Different%20Denmark/Aircraft/Hawker%20Hurricane/Hawker%20Hurricane%20Mk.%201.png)
A reskin of the Hawker Hunter.
Unlike the previous drawings I didn't draw the aircraft itself, I just redid the camo scheme.
Anyway, they were operated by both the Army and the Navy. This one is in Army colours.
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Moving on, here's the BAe P.1233-1 Saba
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/UK/P1233-1%20Saba.png)
I'll get around to giving her a proper paintjob at some point.
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Very interesting: keep it up
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I wouldn't call any of your work pixel mutilations, but pixel gems of the highest order!
Brian da Basher
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Moving on, here's the BAe P.1233-1 Saba
SABA was a great project/should-have-been. Looking forward to seeing paintwork!
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I wouldn't call any of your work pixel mutilations, but pixel gems of the highest order!
Brian da Basher
Thanks. That means a lot.
SABA was a great project/should-have-been. Looking forward to seeing paintwork!
I'll get on it soonest.
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/Gray%20Harbour/Te%20255%20Ferkel%20v1.png)
Now with a tentative paint scheme. Still have to do the markings.
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/Gray%20Harbour/Te%20255%20Ferkel%20v2.png)
What do you think?
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:)
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/Gray%20Harbour/Ze%20552%20Sperber%20v1.png)
Technically speaking it's the BAe P.1238 and believe it or not, this design is the direct predecessor of the P.1233-1.
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(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/Real/USA/Terror/cm-5_uss_terror_v3.png)
A WIP while we're waiting
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Your pusher profiles sure stir up my kitbash ideas. Currently no time to start one. Enjoying your mental concept creating profiles. :)
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(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/Aircraft/northrop_grumman_pq-22_firebird.png)
Based on the Northrop Grumman Firebird OPV.
The nose contains a radar and a satellite dish.
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I like.
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Your pusher profiles sure stir up my kitbash ideas. Currently no time to start one. Enjoying your mental concept creating profiles. :)
Thank you. I've always bee fascinated by pushers.
I like.
Thanks.
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(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/Aircraft/edgeley_ea-7_optica_fac.png)
Another contender for the 1987 FAC requirement.
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(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/FD/twister_ga1.png)
I suspect that flying ths thing would be a complicated affair. XD
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What is happening there? 'Turretised' front ball?
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Yup. The entire front is made up of a modified rear turret from a Lancaster.
If only the Optica was available as main stream kit...
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(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/Shipbucket/AU/Denmark/Aircraft/edgeley_ea-7_optica_police.png)
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I like it! But when do the Politi get the turreted version? ;D
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I suppose they could try to sell it to the politicians as a sort of super Riot Gun
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/USA/Republic%20XF-12%20Rainbow.png)
Republic XF-12 Rainbow
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And at M.A.D.s request here's a bomber conversion
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/USA/Republic%20XF-12%20Rainbow%20Bomber%20Conversion.png)
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(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Thiel/FD/sud-ouest_so_8010_narval.png)
Nene powered SO.8000 Narval
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Love it!
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/USA/Hughes%20XF-11.png)
Hughes FX-11
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/Sweden/Saab%20Projekt%201390.png)
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20969954/Gray%20Harbour/Te%20150%20Adler.png)
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:)
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Wow, it's been a while since I posted here.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/Never%20Buildt/Ling-Temco-Vought%20C-142A%20COD.png)
Camouflage based on a C-1 Trader
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Nice return though! :)
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Nice return though! :)
Thanks, glad you like it.
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Agreed. That's a great comeback!
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It was indeed. It would be nice to see the XC-142 in more operational schemes ... hint, hint ;)
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It was indeed. It would be nice to see the XC-142 in more operational schemes ... hint, hint ;)
I have yet to draw any other operation schemes, but I do have two testing schemes.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/USA/Ling-Temco-Vought%20XC-142A.png)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/USA/Ling-Temco-Vought%20XC-142A%20NASA.png)
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shouldn't the words on the fuselage of the bottom one read "United Parcels of America" ?? ;)
makes a good civvie cargo-hauler :)
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Maybe FEDEX or DHL?
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C-142 in a scheme similar to those used by USMC or USAF V-22's?
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Love the test schemes :) Maybe a Vietnam-era scheme similar to that of the CV-2/C-7 Caribou?
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Like this?
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/Never%20Buildt/Ling-Temco-Vought%20C-142A%20Vietnam%201967.png)
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Like this?
Very nice. Really fits the airframe.
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:)
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20969954/FD%20Scale/USA/HC-142A%20Coast%20Guard%20Air%20Sea%20Rescue.png)
This was a real proposal, though I had to do a great deal of guessing with the boat.
Livery based on USCG HC-130.
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:)