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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #100 on: March 04, 2014, 08:06:51 AM »
The glaring errors hopefully work in our favour and the price on the M103 kit will be substantially discounted which would be the one good thing to come out of Vodnik's brutal critique of the kit.   :icon_ninja:

Do you know that for sure yet?  Watch them still ask a pant load of $$$ for it flaws and all!  Trumpeter does it...why not DML?  Don't fix it either!  God Forbid they EVER do that!  Better yet...DO MORE/BETTER RESEARCH AND AVOID IT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!   

Read that with a very heavy dose of sarcasm yet truth as well  ;D

Sorry....been in too many almost identical heated discussions about Trumpeters latest ship kits.  DML/Cyber Hobby's latest ship offerings have been fairly messed up in this department as well.  Maybe they need to fire their research department....
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #101 on: March 04, 2014, 12:06:20 PM »
Maybe DML borrowed one of Trumpeter's "C" Level designers for this kit? Although in their defense, DML has gone back and corrected poor engineering in their armor kits - although they'll all been German tanks. 

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #102 on: May 04, 2014, 03:14:28 AM »
New from Dragon:



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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #103 on: May 04, 2014, 03:44:13 AM »
I often wonder if Ikea was inspired by the Israeli naming process for their equipment when it came to giving everything in the store a unique name ;)
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #104 on: May 17, 2014, 03:51:43 AM »
Michael Benolkin has provided an in-box review of the DML/Dragon Models 1:700th scale USS San Antonio LPD-17 (kit number 7096) at CyberModeler. 

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #105 on: May 17, 2014, 03:59:15 AM »
This just in from the Missing-Lynx forums:
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Subject: Dragon 1/72 Atomic Cannon
Date: May 16 2014 at 12:49 PM
Author: Steve Zaloga


Dragon announced a 1/72 M65 Atomic Cannon at Shizuoka.



Wow!  That is indeed great news for FinsRin :)  Now you can add some very heavy artillery to your project.  Now the question is when will Dragon release this as a 1:35th scale model? 
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #106 on: May 30, 2014, 08:07:08 AM »
Every time you eat celery,an angel vomits in a gas station bathroom. Tanks rule. I know the load is late,but the voices tell me to pull over and clean the guns.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #107 on: May 31, 2014, 04:09:22 AM »
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #108 on: May 31, 2014, 10:59:47 AM »
You wouldn't want to stomp the brakes too hard in that thing, would you - spend the next half-hour digging the barrel out of the ground! ;D
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #109 on: June 14, 2014, 07:46:32 AM »
This just in from the Missing-Lynx forums:
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Subject: Dragon 1/72 Atomic Cannon
Date: May 16 2014 at 12:49 PM
Author: Steve Zaloga


Dragon announced a 1/72 M65 Atomic Cannon at Shizuoka.



Wow!  That is indeed great news for FinsRin :)  Now you can add some very heavy artillery to your project.  Now the question is when will Dragon release this as a 1:35th scale model?


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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #110 on: June 16, 2014, 01:28:28 AM »
The Dragon MBT-70 has now hit the UK shops (Hannnants):



http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/DN3550
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2014, 09:50:41 AM »
Coming soon to a retail source near you:

DML/Dragon - Black Label Series - 1:35th scale Saladin Mk.II Armored Car



A pleasant surprise considering the only injection molded 1:35th scale Saladin Mk.II before this was the rather antiquated offering from Tamiya that came with a battery compartment and electric motors.  Of course those with money to spend can always acquire the resin Saladin from Accurate Armour.
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #112 on: June 24, 2014, 10:12:24 AM »
Interesting. I wonder if somebody will do some 1/35th 1950s/60s/70s British figures to go with it?
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #113 on: June 24, 2014, 10:54:41 AM »
Interesting. I wonder if somebody will do some 1/35th 1950s/60s/70s British figures to go with it?
That would be nice if they did.  Some squaddies armed with Bren, FAL, and GPMG would go quite well with the Saladin and other vehicles from that era.  Would it be too much to hope for a Wombat as well :)
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #114 on: June 24, 2014, 11:09:57 AM »
So far the Kpz.70 is the only 'Black Label' kit without a major snafu (or three), let's
see if the Saladin makes it two or if it's another fumble.
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2014, 12:46:06 PM »
Interesting. I wonder if somebody will do some 1/35th 1950s/60s/70s British figures to go with it?
That would be nice if they did.  Some squaddies armed with Bren, FAL, and GPMG would go quite well with the Saladin and other vehicles from that era.  Would it be too much to hope for a Wombat as well :)

You'd be hard pressed to have found any squaddies armed with FALs in the British Army.   A new Saladin would be nice, considering the silly prices being asked on EvilBay for the old Tamiya Saladin nowadays.  Hopefully a Saracen won't be too far behind.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #116 on: June 24, 2014, 08:30:15 PM »
Interesting. I wonder if somebody will do some 1/35th 1950s/60s/70s British figures to go with it?
That would be nice if they did.  Some squaddies armed with Bren, FAL, and GPMG would go quite well with the Saladin and other vehicles from that era.  Would it be too much to hope for a Wombat as well :)


You'd be hard pressed to have found any squaddies armed with FALs in the British Army.   A new Saladin would be nice, considering the silly prices being asked on EvilBay for the old Tamiya Saladin nowadays.  Hopefully a Saracen won't be too far behind.


He refers, of course to the L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle. ;)
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #117 on: June 24, 2014, 08:43:52 PM »
If they did a Saracen, I wonder if they'd have the balls to do it in Northern Ireland Troubles trim, with anti-RPG screens etc..? Is it far enough in the past to be "safe" now?



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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #118 on: June 24, 2014, 09:14:34 PM »
Interesting. I wonder if somebody will do some 1/35th 1950s/60s/70s British figures to go with it?
That would be nice if they did.  Some squaddies armed with Bren, FAL, and GPMG would go quite well with the Saladin and other vehicles from that era.  Would it be too much to hope for a Wombat as well :)


You'd be hard pressed to have found any squaddies armed with FALs in the British Army.   A new Saladin would be nice, considering the silly prices being asked on EvilBay for the old Tamiya Saladin nowadays.  Hopefully a Saracen won't be too far behind.


He refers, of course to the L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle. ;)


Ah, but there are quite a few differences between the L1a1 and the FN FAL, the most important of which is that the L1a1 isn't capable of fully-automatic fire.  Externally, the most obvious differences were that they had different flash hiders on the end of the barrel and the L1a1 had a non-reciprocating cocking handle and a different change lever.  Of course the British Army adopted the L1a1, not the FN FAL.

The British Army actually did use a small number of FN FALs but they were only trials weapons.  Interestingly, some of them combined the elements of the L1a1 and the FAL as well.  L1a1 flash hiders with reciprocating cocking handles and vice a versa.  Funnily enough, the one place where you could easily see some of those weapons was on Dr.Who in the 1970s in the hands of UNIT soldiers!  I don't know how the BBC props department got a hold of them but there they were.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #119 on: June 24, 2014, 09:19:16 PM »
So far the Kpz.70 is the only 'Black Label' kit without a major snafu (or three), let's
see if the Saladin makes it two or if it's another fumble.

Are there any reviews of the Kpz 70 yet?

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2014, 09:20:31 PM »
If they did a Saracen, I wonder if they'd have the balls to do it in Northern Ireland Troubles trim, with anti-RPG screens etc..? Is it far enough in the past to be "safe" now?

More than likely have to be aftermarket products.  I doubt Dragon would want to go there.  AIUI it's still a touchy subject in some quarters.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #121 on: June 24, 2014, 10:00:53 PM »
Interesting. I wonder if somebody will do some 1/35th 1950s/60s/70s British figures to go with it?
That would be nice if they did.  Some squaddies armed with Bren, FAL, and GPMG would go quite well with the Saladin and other vehicles from that era.  Would it be too much to hope for a Wombat as well :)
You'd be hard pressed to have found any squaddies armed with FALs in the British Army.

No need to split hairs on what that particular weapon was called as it had many names associated with it.  It was truly an international weapon much like the current crop of Armalite AR-10/AR-15 clones that everyone recognizes today as the M16 or M4 carbine. 

So if you want to pick away at my comments please keep in mind that the rifle system designed by Fabrique Nationale de Herstal (aka FN Herstal or just FN) has many names.  A few of which are listed below:
FN FAL
Sturmgewehr 58
LAR 50.41 and LAR 50.42
FAL 50.61, FAL 50.62, FAL 50.63, FAL 50.64
FAL OSW (DSA-58 OSW)
Olin/Winchester FAL
Armtech L1A1 SAS
Harrington and Richardson T-48
L1A1 SLR

If you use the term FN FAL in any NORMAL conversation you will find that most people will recognize that abbreviation as a reference to the product designed and produced by FN and produced under license by other countries with minor technical changes to the design.  So if I use the term FAL it means I am referring to the FAL whether it is known as a bloody L1A1 or a T-48. 

You seem to be looking for an argument where no argument exists and test the limits of my patience with your deconstructive criticism which might have been better served in a private message to me if you felt that I had made a serious error in my comment.  No, instead you chose to highlight something that is completely out of context.  If it looks like a duck (FN FAL), Quacks like a duck (FN FAL), walks like a duck (FN FAL) then it must be an FN FAL. 


Now returning to the current topic of products from DML/Dragon Models Limited/CyberHobby and your question regarding reviews of the Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70).

Modeling Madness - Dragon KPz-70 (MBT-70)
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Dragon 'Black Label' MBT-70 (KPz. 70)


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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #122 on: June 24, 2014, 11:02:06 PM »
Swapping the safety catch with one from the AR made the SLR (L1A1) capable of fully auto fire, modifying the existing safety catch by removing the lobe opposite the thumb lugon the catch makes the SLR capable of fully automatic fire.  Inserting a matchstick or a piece of houchie cord under the sear makes the SLR fire fully auto.  Basically the differences are sweet fa.

Also the British army took a very large number of FN FALs back from the Falklands, so many in fact that it was proposed to issue them to the Paras as a replacement for their L1A1s.

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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #123 on: June 25, 2014, 05:54:59 AM »
About time a Saladin was made in plastic.
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Re: DML (Dragon Models Limited) and CyberHobby
« Reply #124 on: June 25, 2014, 08:46:27 AM »
Swapping the safety catch with one from the AR made the SLR (L1A1) capable of fully auto fire, modifying the existing safety catch by removing the lobe opposite the thumb lugon the catch makes the SLR capable of fully automatic fire.  Inserting a matchstick or a piece of houchie cord under the sear makes the SLR fire fully auto.  Basically the differences are sweet fa.

Little bit more than that.  Doing anything but the first one renders the interlock between the bolt carrier and the sear (which makes the hammer work properly) inoperative and that means it is possible for a slam-fire to occur (the round fires before the cartridge is seated properly and the bolt carrier and breach block properly locked into position).  Then there is the problem with the light-weight barrel - you fire on full auto too long and the barrel will warp.  The FN FAL had a heavier barrel (which I forgot to mention) than the L1a1, with thicker walls.

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Also the British army took a very large number of FN FALs back from the Falklands, so many in fact that it was proposed to issue them to the Paras as a replacement for their L1A1s.

However, they didn't.  They destroyed most of them, in situ (by burning and crushing) before disposing of them at sea.  I once had a long conversation with a British RAOC corporal who'd have the unenviable task of doing it.  I doubt there would have been any real advantage in issuing them, they were nearly uncontrollable on full auto anyway.