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Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« on: July 31, 2017, 10:03:19 PM »
Post pictures thoughts and if you would like what you are planning on building or drawing or writing 













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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 01:10:16 AM »
Would a X-15 / SR-71 Hybrid be acceptable?  An experimental supersonic test aircraft. 
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 03:18:04 AM »
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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2017, 05:26:55 AM »
For a novel with some inspirational ideas, A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah!" by Harry Harrison has some interesting ideas (for ex. a rather large eight-engined coal-burning gas turbine flying boat).  Some fun concepts to play with.

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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2017, 08:19:37 AM »
Are we including subjects from vintage TV or movies? How far back is the cut off line?

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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2017, 08:53:52 AM »
Those coal powered flying boats are a sight to behold.

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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2017, 11:45:16 AM »
Are we including subjects from vintage TV or movies? How far back is the cut off line?

Sure, and no cut off for time
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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 12:09:07 AM »
Cool! I have Robbie the robot kit......

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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2017, 03:14:30 AM »
Check out this site for inspiration and, frankly, cool stuff.

http://shop.webomator.com/retropolis/

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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2017, 03:21:59 AM »
Check out this site for inspiration and, frankly, cool stuff.

http://shop.webomator.com/retropolis/


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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2017, 05:13:06 PM »
How about still born concepts or evolutions of such, i.e initial missile ship ideas that ended up very different when they eventually arrived, or concepts that were killed by changing technology, treaties and or real experience demonstrating a better way, i.e. cruiser and battleship carriers.  Large cruisers / battlecruisers carrying not just aircraft but motor torpedo boats, post WWII Cruiser/Destroyers, or the station cruiser replacing station carrier for empire security and trade protection.  Maybe aircraft concepts of what was thought was going to happen but didn't, i.e. the BP ads in aviation magazines from the 60s showing civilian inflight refuelling tankers refuelling concords in flight.  Another idea is the land marines concept from WWI, i.e. armoured infantry that was assumed would evolve along side tanks but didn't happen until much latter.

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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2017, 04:23:41 AM »
How about still born concepts or evolutions of such, i.e initial missile ship ideas that ended up very different when they eventually arrived, or concepts that were killed by changing technology, treaties and or real experience demonstrating a better way, i.e. cruiser and battleship carriers.  Large cruisers / battlecruisers carrying not just aircraft but motor torpedo boats, post WWII Cruiser/Destroyers, or the station cruiser replacing station carrier for empire security and trade protection.  Maybe aircraft concepts of what was thought was going to happen but didn't, i.e. the BP ads in aviation magazines from the 60s showing civilian inflight refuelling tankers refuelling concords in flight.  Another idea is the land marines concept from WWI, i.e. armoured infantry that was assumed would evolve along side tanks but didn't happen until much latter.


I think those are all really good and acceptable ideas. Ive been thinking about this a lot and even consulting with others on the sight, and I think about the only real "limit" on this GB is the notion of time and eras.

So for example put yourself in the shows of a World War II aircraft designer and he thinks about how an airplane would look in 20 years. You can't really be "wrong" . its just an educated guess on what his educated guess would be. Your example using ships is a good one. in the mid 1930s someone would probably be guessing the battleship is still the king and would be for the next 20 years, only getting larger and more powerful, rather than going nearly completely out of business.

And I think original ("pre evolved") concepts are a big part of that so definitely acceptable. I guess you have to kind of have the knowledge of styles and trends and features from different eras. If you are going to build a World War II F-18 hornet, it would probably have rounded wing tips for example, wing cannons, ordnance from the era, etc. Again you can't really be wrong I'd like to see lots of details to really back date it, but that's up the creator/builder/engineer and what they note and decide to emphasize.

On that note, its ok to take a subject and transfer it BACKWARD:





in this case you have a modern subject (the super hornet not the Prowler!  ;D) going "retro" with its paint. As opposed to an official 1940s design:



I mean look at that JU-287! Streamlined, jet engines, Forward swept wings, and SPATS!? (I know that wasn't the intended design, but its a great look at the "original" prototype as mentioned above.)

So to break it down really simply, In this GB you are basically either backdating a modern design or taking an older design and modernizing it, or taking an image or idea from the time about the future and replicating it.

Hope that helps. Like I said its rather loose guidelines.



Happy modeling!


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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2017, 05:16:41 AM »
Did this six yeras ago...



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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2017, 07:19:07 AM »

< snip >



I mean look at that JU-287! Streamlined, jet engines, Forward swept wings, and SPATS!?

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You know, it's possible that sleek, aerodynamic spats could be a crucial element to this GB...

 :-*

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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2017, 01:53:51 AM »
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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2017, 01:54:09 AM »
Did this six yeras ago...




Oh yeah!! :-*
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2017, 02:32:22 AM »
Only two years away. ;D I'd say it counts as retro-future:smiley:



I have three Syd Mead books:






I have these two books directly on the subject of visions of the future, part of my history of technology and design library:

A well illustrated, academic look that accompanied a small, yet very good, Smithsonian traveling exhibit.



I also have these three and they are good for Streamline:






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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2017, 10:21:07 AM »
I should throw mention of GM's "Aerotrain" from the 1950's in here.  Interesting concept, didn't place.

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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2017, 11:26:20 PM »
A 5/8 scale version has been operating as one of the trains on Portland, Oregon's Washington Park & Zoo RR ,
since 1958.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Park_and_Zoo_Railway
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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2017, 11:30:33 PM »
I've been trying to think of what would make a good looking flying car. I could take a vintage car kit and stick rocket nozzles on it but I was thinking of something more.

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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2017, 12:00:35 AM »
The "Fallout" games are a good source of Retro Futuristic designs (albeit broken & corroded), if you go looking.
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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2017, 01:20:31 AM »
I've been trying to think of what would make a good looking flying car. I could take a vintage car kit and stick rocket nozzles on it but I was thinking of something more.


I've often thought that the Lancia Stratos could be the basis for a Spinner type vehicle.



Roadable Times is probably the best source for RW flying car designs.
http://roadabletimes.com/

Norman Bel Geddes design is intriguing:


Flying car article on The Old Motor:
http://theoldmotor.com/?p=156997
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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2017, 03:45:15 AM »
Not a lot different to the Lotus submarine that appeared in a Bond movie.

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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2017, 05:48:47 AM »
Aside from being smaller and predating the Esprit, its also powered by a Ferrari Dino V-6.
It was a very successful rally car, and, of course, much better looking.  ;D ;D :icon_fsm:
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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2017, 09:08:16 AM »
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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2017, 12:33:38 AM »
Frank R. Paul is my favorite old pulp SF magazine artist. Here's a Google search for some of his work



hehheheh..."Uranus"




This is by Bade:


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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2017, 01:38:40 AM »
Had to visualize, went googling. Found this http://www.pcworld.com/article/2009049/visions-of-the-retro-future.html
and specifically this


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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2017, 02:58:07 AM »
The bottom illo is of the alternative configuration of the Blackburn B-49 project, the B-49B.

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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2017, 04:32:22 AM »
Bel Geddes design for a yacht for Swedish industrialist Wenner-Gren, construction was actually started
on this prior to WWII.

https://www.google.com/patents/USD96244?dq=norman+bel+geddes&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx_9C4-sXVAhXqhVQKHeoSDCQQ6AEISjAF





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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2017, 08:21:37 AM »
That's an absolutely lovely ship. One thing this thread has done is allowed me to become reacquainted with, and gain a renewed appreciation of Norman Bel Geddes' design work. This is the style and era of design that appeals to me the most.

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« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2017, 09:32:22 AM »
This arrived today:


Marvelous volume that accompanied a retrospective exhibit.

Available at very reasonable prices on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1419702998?ref_=mw_olp_product_details
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« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2017, 03:16:15 AM »
Anyone have a Renault 6-ton they're not going to build?


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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2017, 07:07:37 AM »
I am loving all of this!! Man, JCF those books look tempting. I'm going to need to get ALL some of those soon!!

Batman the animated series from the 1990s had a wonderful mix of retrofuturism:









could also be a train?!^







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« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2017, 06:48:36 AM »
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« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2017, 03:08:26 AM »
Loving those circular grills on the buses and vans. Those are unique just to start with it. Imagine a retro Humvee like that:

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« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2017, 10:36:14 AM »
This arrived today:


Marvelous volume that accompanied a retrospective exhibit.

Available at very reasonable prices on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1419702998?ref_=mw_olp_product_details

I bought that one and it's a fascinating read.  I really need to see if there are equivalent books on the work of Raymond Loewy and Henry Dreyfuss.
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Re: Inspiration for yesterday's tomorrow
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2017, 02:32:13 AM »
Jomar Machado's "Hover Scout" is cool with the obvious steam locomotive inspiration. I wouldn't even begin to try and figure out how it would work but it would be fun to build a model of it.

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« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2017, 10:11:08 AM »
Just picked up a number of books from Amazon about and by Raymond Loewy and his work could definitely serve as inspiration for this build.

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« Reply #47 on: August 25, 2017, 10:44:40 AM »
Just picked up a number of books from Amazon about and by Raymond Loewy and his work could definitely serve as inspiration for this build.

Which Loewy books? I have Industrial Design and Locomotive.





Never Leave Well Enough Alone, is on the List.  ;)
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« Reply #48 on: August 25, 2017, 12:25:18 PM »
I have all three you have mentioned, I also now have Raymond Loewy, Pioneer of American Industrial Design and Design Heroes; Raymond Loewy.  I should also note from experience that Never Leave Well Enough Alone! was also published as Raymond Loewy and Streamlined Design as I now have a copy of each title.

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« Reply #49 on: August 25, 2017, 01:15:27 PM »
From The Amazing Aircraft Coloring Book, which I've had for ages and now goes for insane prices.  :o



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« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2017, 04:34:06 AM »
How about anything from 2001:  A Space Odyssey:







And just about everything in this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyjOjT8d8RI

If nothing else, the Airline Stewardesses uniforms are definitely "Retro Futuristic" and  definitely from "Yesterday's Tomorrow". ;)

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« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2017, 04:59:51 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2017, 07:21:10 PM »
From Facebook.

It's supposed to be the Prometheus from Arthur C Clarke's "Prelude To Space" (1948).


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« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2017, 01:37:14 AM »
Oh yeah!
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« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2017, 09:11:47 AM »
Nice!!  I always imagined the Prometheus, though, as having more of a B-70 look with 2D intakes for efficient supersonic operation.

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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2017, 09:15:20 AM »
Just picked up a number of books from Amazon about and by Raymond Loewy and his work could definitely serve as inspiration for this build.

Which Loewy books? I have Industrial Design and Locomotive.





Never Leave Well Enough Alone, is on the List.  ;)
I found it interesting that one locomotive whose styling he scorned in that book, Locomotive, was one of the very early EMD E-units supplied to the ATSF for the Super Chief; the box design depicted had the cab raised and then the whole body redesigned and styled for the production E-units and the sibling F-units.  It would appear that many agreed, for various reasons, with his criticism of that initial take.

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« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2017, 09:17:28 AM »
Speaking of trains, there's always GM's 1947 Passenger Train of Tomorrow which introduced dome passenger cars in a major way (though the CB&Q, privy to the thoughts that inspired these cars, introduced the first dome cars).

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« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2017, 02:40:23 AM »
A great blog on automotive design that has loads of potential inspiration:
http://www.deansgarage.com/

The League of Retired Designers collections:
http://www.deansgarage.com/category/car-design/league-of-retired-automotive-designers/

Their 2016 Packard Project:
http://www.deansgarage.com/2017/2016-league-of-retired-designers-packard/

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« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2017, 02:57:33 AM »
I really like these Pres Bruning two-wheel Gyro-Ferrari concepts:

http://www.deansgarage.com/2010/league-of-retired-automotive-designers—ferrari-design-exhibit/

Two of the drawings, seven in total:





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« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2017, 03:22:02 AM »
Alright, Super Segways   :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2017, 03:28:58 AM »
 ;D
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« Reply #61 on: September 05, 2017, 04:23:37 AM »
The 2016 Packard is beautiful.
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« Reply #62 on: September 05, 2017, 10:29:19 PM »
The 2016 Packard is beautiful.

indeed! What a nice mash up  :smiley:
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« Reply #63 on: September 15, 2017, 01:58:38 AM »
Piaggio P.7 was an ambitious Schneider Racer project. A bit too futuristic for 1929 to make it quite work, perhaps.



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« Reply #64 on: September 15, 2017, 03:56:29 AM »
Piaggio P.7 was an ambitious Schneider Racer project. A bit too futuristic for 1929 to make it quite work, perhaps.



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One can get a 1/48 resin kit of this from Italian Kits Wings:

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« Reply #65 on: September 17, 2017, 02:12:03 AM »
Always loved the B-29 I feel like its retro future right out of the box






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« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2017, 03:59:31 AM »
Seem the 2nd photo many times. The projected power of a B-29 running is down right scary.
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« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2017, 05:49:18 AM »
The photo above the washer n' dryer in the utility room.  ;D :icon_fsm:
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« Reply #70 on: September 19, 2017, 06:02:51 AM »
Is there a signature on it Jon?
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Nope.
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« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2017, 11:28:24 PM »
You got good taste Jon  :smiley:

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« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2017, 12:30:08 AM »
The question was asked in 1940: (What is the) "Super Strato Liner of the future?" and the answer was: a triplane! True!:

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« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2017, 01:07:31 AM »
There are some weird and wonderful designs in the world of model flying. This one is just a cool looking Control Line Team Racer design from 1963:


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« Reply #75 on: September 23, 2017, 12:35:02 PM »
Wow! Great! :-*

But I think this may be different from my example: the advertisement was speaking of a future "liner", which does not mean "toy" but airliner at reduced scale, so referring to a future wonder transporting passengers... ;)

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« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2017, 04:04:05 AM »
"Super car" (also named "Superbus") Pathé Marconi.
It was a mobile recording studio, audio equipement exhibition, lounge, and there was even a stage on the roof for musical performance. France 1952 (retired in 1959)
It takes place now in Mulhouse train museum (because of it size).

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« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2017, 05:24:44 AM »
I could see the basic concept being used to make the ultimate RV (Ford Esplanade, Cadillac Estate DeVille, Peterbilt Plantation, et al.)

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« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2017, 01:55:13 PM »
They've been looking at similar designs over the last 30 years in an attempt to make semi's (semi-trailers/articulated trucks/etc.) more fuel efficient, especially on long hauls, but don't seem to have gotten anywhere.
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« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2017, 08:57:00 PM »
They've been looking at similar designs over the last 30 years in an attempt to make semi's (semi-trailers/articulated trucks/etc.) more fuel efficient, especially on long hauls, but don't seem to have gotten anywhere.
About the only approaches I've seen on the road, here, are streamlined front ends, efforts to reduce turbulence and drag under the trailer, and efforts to reduce the trailer base drag.  Of course, these last two have the advantage of being retrofitable to existing trailers.

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« Reply #80 on: October 10, 2017, 12:02:17 AM »
They've been looking at similar designs over the last 30 years in an attempt to make semi's (semi-trailers/articulated trucks/etc.) more fuel efficient, especially on long hauls, but don't seem to have gotten anywhere.
About the only approaches I've seen on the road, here, are streamlined front ends, efforts to reduce turbulence and drag under the trailer, and efforts to reduce the trailer base drag.  Of course, these last two have the advantage of being retrofitable to existing trailers.

Most of the research from the prototype concept vehicles hasn't made it to the road as product, as far as I can tell.
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« Reply #81 on: October 10, 2017, 12:28:07 AM »
Elon Musk / Tesla will on November 16 introduce the all-electric Semi-Tractor.  Nice streamline design as there is no requirement for engine air or cooling infrastructure.

https://electrek.co/2017/10/03/is-this-our-first-glimpse-of-the-tesla-semi-truck/

May look like this:



Prototype was spotted a few day ago:


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« Reply #82 on: October 10, 2017, 06:57:54 AM »
Electric engines (and sometimes, batteries) do need cooling - its usually passive cooling or if active liquid cooling is required, the radiators are much smaller.

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« Reply #83 on: October 11, 2017, 12:53:24 AM »
Electric engines (and sometimes, batteries) do need cooling - its usually passive cooling or if active liquid cooling is required, the radiators are much smaller.

Very often nowadays.  In fact, the Tesla batteries are cooled, as can be seen here.
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« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2017, 01:37:53 AM »
I've always like Luigi Colani's various takes on the subject:
http://wonderfulthingsdaily.blogspot.com/2006/12/concept-trucks-by-luigi-colani.html

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« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2017, 02:00:04 AM »
You don't want lithium batteries to get hot.They don't react nicely to heat.


I haven't seen that view of the Luigi Colani Truck before  :-*

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« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2017, 02:51:11 AM »
I remember a futuristic tractor-trailer combo that appeared in Car Model back in the late 1960's, the tractor was a much reworked Silouette trailer with the turbine engine from Revell's parts packs and the trailer was scratchbuilt.

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« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2017, 11:47:48 PM »
Then there's the Labatt's Streamliner beer truck from 1947:




That's dead sexy.



Still exists, too.

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« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2017, 02:47:50 AM »
Or the International Harvest Jungle Yacht from 1937...
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« Reply #89 on: October 14, 2017, 02:06:59 AM »
What's happening between the tractor and trailer on that Yacht? Looks like smooth metal, but I'm sure it's just an over enthusiastic illustrator. It has to be something like the accordion bellows you see on some long busses or trolley cars.

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« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2017, 02:43:52 AM »
In fact it's just a gap. But the end of the trailer is rounded and can turn. The end piece of the truck is empty space where the rounded front of the trailer moves.

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« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2017, 03:34:18 AM »
What's happening between the tractor and trailer on that Yacht? Looks like smooth metal, but I'm sure it's just an over enthusiastic illustrator. It has to be something like the accordion bellows you see on some long busses or trolley cars.
Or the bellows sections between vestibules of railway passenger cars.  Orange County,  CA had some trailer buses hauled by tractors and I always thought that a cab with camper connected to the trailer by such a bellows would make the basis for a great super-sized RV.

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« Reply #92 on: October 18, 2017, 03:41:45 AM »
In fact it's just a gap. But the end of the trailer is rounded and can turn. The end piece of the truck is empty space where the rounded front of the trailer moves.
Yves,

I think you've got it. I took a look at other photos after I asked the question and that was the other possibility that occurred to me. Bit of a waste of space, if ya ask me, but they didn't! :-)

Thanks!

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