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RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« on: February 22, 2020, 04:52:46 AM »
The ancient Airfix kit sits on the cluttered bench, awaiting the indignities that I will thrust upon it. Here's the basic idea:

RAF Coastal Command gets the respect it deserved at the start of the war, rather than being the poor cousin to the rest of the service, as was in real life. This results in re-equipping with better aircraft than the motley collection of Avro Ansons, Vickers Vildebeests, Saro Londons, Supermarine Stranraers, and some Sunderlands, the only really capable aircraft of the bunch. While waiting for even better aircraft, it was decided to improve the Fairey battle, which had not proven worthy as a light bomber in RAF service.

Radial engine, probably a Bristol Pegasus XXII swiped from the Matchbox Vickers Wellesley. This causes a loss of about 20hp, but it obviates the need for liquid cooling, so the weight saving may even things out.

With a range of 1,000 miles versus 790, a service ceiling of 25,000ft versus 19,000, a bomb load of 1,000lbs internal or 1,500lbs external versus 360lbs, and a speed of 257mph* versus 188, this makes it far superior to the Ansons that Coastal Command were utilising.
*This was with the Merlin II, what the speed would be with the Pegasus is unknown, but I'll assume it's about the same.

Coastal Command uses it as a land-based adjunct to flying boats, with a combination of bombs and depth charges. Armament is increased with the addition of a second wing-mounted .303 in (7.7 mm) Browning machine gun.

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2020, 07:07:16 AM »
A great concept that might be kicked up a notch by adding floats.

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2020, 07:11:56 AM »
Looking forward to this. :smiley:
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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2020, 10:20:14 AM »
I have a similar concept I'm playing with, only with the use of a later model Merlin for more power.

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2020, 11:14:36 AM »
A great concept that might be kicked up a notch by adding floats.

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Had that in mind, but I want to keep the range and speed, floats would cut into that.
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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2020, 05:54:25 PM »
With turret


Battle with Bristol Taurus


with Hercules


Source http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/2018/02/17/the-lost-battle/


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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2020, 01:09:05 AM »
Fixed gear on that Hercules version? I'm wondering if it was a wreck, and instead of bothering to replace the gear mechanisms for the tests they just fixed it in place and streamlined them a bit.
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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2020, 01:11:33 AM »
You're right, Mr Rat. The fixed gear version could definitely use some spats.

Why wouldn't you want the most streamlined under-carriage known to man?

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2020, 01:40:24 AM »
You're right, Mr Rat. The fixed gear version could definitely use some spats.

Why wouldn't you want the most streamlined under-carriage known to man?

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2020, 02:09:50 AM »
The radial engined version was the inspiration for my DAP N-7 Wandabaa (aboriginal for Eaglehawk):




Also seen here with more details.

And speaking of floats:

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2020, 12:22:07 PM »
What was Coastal Command's policy on single engined aircraft? 

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2020, 12:40:37 PM »
What was Coastal Command's policy on single engined aircraft?

The Vickers Vildebeest was single-engined, and Coastal Command still had some in service.
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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2020, 12:02:08 AM »
What was Coastal Command's policy on single engined aircraft?

The Vickers Vildebeest was single-engined, and Coastal Command still had some in service.

Fairey Swordfish, Supermarine Walrus, Blackburn Shark -----

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2020, 01:39:29 AM »
What was Coastal Command's policy on single engined aircraft?

The Vickers Vildebeest was single-engined, and Coastal Command still had some in service.

Fairey Swordfish, Supermarine Walrus, Blackburn Shark -----

Swordfish and Shark were RN FAA, but they certainly used the Walrus. And According to Wikipedia they did use Fairey battles, based in Iceland, presumably for recce patrols. I should have known that, because I remember now that my old reserve regiment* was involved in the rescue of the crew one that went down there, off in the rocky wilderness.

*The Royal Regiment of Canada. Regular force during the war, decimated at Dieppe. :icon_sueno:
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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2020, 01:46:51 AM »
Dieppe is sadly not well known here. So many un-sung heroes.

They really should make a decent movie of it and spare no effort!

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2020, 09:45:42 AM »
Well I am waiting to see how it works out. The above Pix are great inspiration. GTX.. that DAP N-7 Wandabaa it a treat

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2020, 10:08:26 AM »
So I've started hacking at this, conversion to a radial engine makes the chin radiator redundant so it's been carved off.
Oil cooler may be enlarged a bit to compensate for what might be a higher running temperature. I guess next will be to
saw off the nose. But delicately, because it's probably going to be attached to something else.

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2020, 03:48:44 AM »
It's always great fun carving off redundant bits, isn't it, Mr Rat?

Perhaps we'd best not ask our significant others that question but it sure looks like you're enjoying the build.

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2020, 02:43:19 AM »
Imagine, though, if Fairey managed to get their Monarch engines into production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Monarch













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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2020, 04:38:15 AM »
This conversion is going to be... interesting. From the graceful outline of a RR Merlin cowling to the decidedly unattractive nose swiped from a Vickers Wellesley. On the front, hanging uncomfortably like an afterthought, will be a Bristol Pegasus XX

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2020, 07:03:50 AM »
Brave man, rattus rattus! :-\
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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2020, 08:41:02 AM »
No worries eh?  It will buff out :)
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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2020, 02:42:00 AM »
More putty required!
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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2020, 04:19:09 AM »
Well if anyone's up to that sort of challenge, it's you Rat!

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Re: RAF Coastal Command Fairey Battle
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2020, 08:31:17 AM »
What use is an old pen?





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