Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: The Big Gimper on July 06, 2018, 08:30:28 PM
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Navy Buys First V-22 CODs, CMV-22, as Part of $4.2B Award to Bell-Boeing. 39 have been ordered.
https://news.usni.org/2018/07/02/navy-awards-bell-boeing-4-2-billion-contract-modification-for-74-v-22-osprey-tiltrotor-aircraft
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It is about time to have a separate topic/folder on just the V-22 Osprey. What better way to kick it off by having Carl's (TheBigGimper) post be the OP for this discussion of all things related to the V-22 Osprey and variations on that theme.
A long time coming and separating all of the V-22 Osprey portions from the Tilt-Rotor topic proved to be on par with impossible or close to sorting fly bits from pepper.
I am curious to learn more about this COD variant and how well it will work for this mission. I am aware that there are some limitations on what it can carry but it will certainly make COD to the LHA and LHD class amphibious assault ships a possibility.
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One of the biggest aspects is extended range relative to the MV-22B and CV-22B. Bell has managed to add additional tankage in the wing so you get more range without added drag (you don't want to see the concepts that were discarded). Now, if some of the other proposals get accepted, there could be further growth in all variants.
If you really wanted an "out there" Mid-Life Update, go with a new wing and nacelle structure derived from that of the V280, once that has been proven through testing. Such a change could open up several avenues for further V-22 development. Since the overall wing and nacelle assembly is attached to the fuselage as one, it would be reasonably possible to do something like that.
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First Spy photo of the CMV-22.
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I was reading over on SPF, in the HMS Q.E.II & P.o.W thread, they were testing USMC V-22's landing and taking off from Q.E.II (there's some photos of them) A poster had attached a link which said that the RN had no plans on buying the V-22, but that the reason for the testing was because USMC V-22's would be used for COD operations because it could carry and deliver a F-35B engine should one be needed. I'm assuming that it would be the CMV-22 being used for that purpose.
Now I had always wonder about the size of the V-22's cabin, you can't get any vehicles into it except some specially designed ones. But now the note about it able to carry a F135 engine, things begin to come clearer --
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Would be interesting to see a pair of F-35 like engine pods (with vertical fan and articulating tailpipe) on the wingtips instead of the large propellers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBjPWoXtQc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBjPWoXtQc)
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Looks like they've bulged the fuel tanks in the forward portion of the sponsons. That should make an interesting conversion.
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It looks like the sponsons are wider Evan.
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It looks like the sponsons are wider Evan.
Front portion looks deeper, too. I rather suspect the forward portion of each sponson has been made wider and deeper to carry more fuel.
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So it has fat thighs... ;D
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Well, I never...
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Indonesia gets US approval for potential acquisition of MV-22 Osprey aircraft (https://www.asiapacificdefensejournal.com/2020/07/indonesia-gets-us-approval-for.html)
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Cue foaming at the mouth in certain Oz political circles. ;D :icon_fsm:
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Better image of above:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/i91jc0/when_the_humidity_is_just_right/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x (https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/i91jc0/when_the_humidity_is_just_right/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x)
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From YouTube: kit review video of the new HobbyBoss V-22 Osprey kit by florymodels (https://youtu.be/2xSVSXf8soI)
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I wonder if some of the mods for the CMV-22B would be carried over to a PV-22B or SV-22B that could operate from more than just the big decks to protect the battle group. I'm really tempted to model such based on art work from when the V-22 was new and on some testing since then.
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I wonder if some of the mods for the CMV-22B would be carried over to a PV-22B or SV-22B that could operate from more than just the big decks to protect the battle group. I'm really tempted to model such based on art work from when the V-22 was new and on some testing since then.
Maybe you can shed some light on this, but why did the DoD choose to abandon all sense of continuity when designating all of the Osprey variants?
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USMC variant, replacing the CH-46 and serving in a medium lift role between the UH-1 and CH-53. Role? Pick up Marines and put them down. Designation? CV-22, UV-22? Nope. MV-22B.
Why?! Because it's so capable I guess. You don't just carry Marines. You can also carry boxes...of things...theoretically you could carry...bananas, I guess. Ugh, whatever. Multi-role it is.
Moving on, USAF variant. Replacing the MH-53 (rebuilt HH-53), serving alongside the HH-60 and HC-130. Proud follow on to a long line of Jolly Green aircraft: HH-43, HH-3, HH-53. Designation? HV-22. No, that's out because someone wrote that on a napkin and slipped it to a Navy officer at a working lunch back in the '90s. Instead we're going with CV-22B. C. For "Cargo". Which the CV-22 will never carry in USAF service. Because it was bought for inserting special operations teams and rescuing downed airmen. But some of those special operators may bring extra ammunitions or a radio with them, so we'll just think of that as "cargo". Fine. Whatever.
USN is back and now they want something to replace the C-2. A cargo hauler. That's straightforward, at least. Great, we'll just use...what's that? Taken you say? Fine, we'll use a miscellaneous designator since it will likely perform multiple roles, too. What's that now? That's taken too? Well crap. We could use UV-22, but I want something that reflects the decades of multiple personality disorder that has characterized Navy designations. A follow on to the proud legacy of the PBY Catalina, SBD Dauntless, and F/A-18 Hornet. CMV-22B. Because what could be more confusing than just combining the only two designations in use?
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I'm no fan of McNamara, but I think another aircraft designation/rationalization is called for.
Cheers,
Logan
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I wonder if some of the mods for the CMV-22B would be carried over to a PV-22B or SV-22B that could operate from more than just the big decks to protect the battle group. I'm really tempted to model such based on art work from when the V-22 was new and on some testing since then.
Maybe you can shed some light on this, but why did the DoD choose to abandon all sense of continuity when designating all of the Osprey variants?
Most likely because they can and folk assigning designations seem to have no logic. I blame LBJ because this started when the RS-71 became the SR-71 when he mis-stated the designation in a speech.
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RS-71....mumble a bit and you get Arse-71. ;D Nah, good call on LBJ's part, I'd say. ;)
<...> CMV-22B. Because what could be more confusing than just combining the only two designations in use?<...>
Logan, what's your idea for the Multi-purpose (resuce, surveillance, boarding...) Cutter-borne version for the Coast Guard? :P
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SOURCE (https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/43896-aoa-simulations-v-22-osprey-us-coast-guard/)
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Since it could also be used for aero-medical evacuation, obviously a MHV-22B >:D
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Everyone anymore wants their aircraft to be all-singing, all-dancing. This got stupid when they renamed the F-22 to "F/A-22" for three really stupid years early in its career.
This reminds me of some departments I've worked with in my career. There are many times that I've asked what the PRIMARY function of a department is or the PRIMARY job that a particular employee performs only to be told six unrelated tasks that I'm assured are ally given equal importance and am assured are all vital to the organizations function. This generally a sign that (at best), somebody doesn't understand what they do or (at worst), the work they're being asked to do isn't all that vital.
You need to understand what the PRIMARY function of a given thing is. It can change, it can evolve, that's fine, but you should be able to compare and evaluate multiple possibilities and determine what is the most important. That's a measure of one's judgment.
Given the Osprey's various designations, I'm definitely questioning the judgment of the various staffers in the DoD.
RS-71....mumble a bit and you get Arse-71. ;D Nah, good call on LBJ's part, I'd say. ;)
<...> CMV-22B. Because what could be more confusing than just combining the only two designations in use?<...>
Logan, what's your idea for the Multi-purpose (resuce, surveillance, boarding...) Cutter-borne version for the Coast Guard? :P
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SOURCE (https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/43896-aoa-simulations-v-22-osprey-us-coast-guard/)
Given the fact that the USCG's HH-60 Jayhawk and HH-65 Dolphin really aren't rescue helicopters anymore, but have evolved into their final form as the MH-60 and MH-65, respectively, then there's no reason to think a Coast Guard Osprey would ever be pigeon-holed into rescuing someone. Unfortunately--as we've established--MV-22 is already taken. The only solution is to add more letters in the arms race to show that you're even MORE multi-mission than the other services. So, logically, the only reasonable designation is MCMV-22B or, as a concession to the USCG's heritage, maybe the MHMCMV-22B+. I mean, that's just straight logic. :-\
Cheers,
Logan