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Offline LemonJello

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Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« on: March 25, 2015, 04:01:45 AM »
Have you ever wondered just how long ingenuity, resourcefulness and plain old desperation could keep a vehicle, ship or aircraft in service? Do you have a kit or project that you'd like to see in modern service or vice-versa, a modern subject you'd like to see in markings/colors that have faded into the mists of history? If so, then this is the Group Build for YOU!

Therefore, I declare this, the Extended Service Life and/or Back Dated Group Build open, and invite all modelers (physical and digital) to come together here in a spirit of whiffery and good fellowship.

RULES:

1. The first rule of group build is: Don't talk about group build

2. HAVE FUN!!!

3. As the name implies there are two paths to choose from:

Blue Pill: Extended Service Life - subjects still in use/active service past their "real world" expiration date (ie: WWII fighters/bombers used as COIN platforms in the 60's/70's, re-engined/winged B-52, war prize ships re-armed/used by other nations, Aegis-equipped Iowa class BB).

Red Pill: Back Dated - subjects or concepts of a more modern bent in use "back in the day" - (Panther with ERA, jet powered zeppelins, Ford Tri-motor gunship, cruise missile armed U-boat).

4. Any and all mediums are welcome -physical models, pixels/profiles and stories (and anything else you can think of) will each be warmly welcomed and given a soft cushion to recline upon.

5. Creativity and collaboration are encouraged.

6. Duration is 1 April 2015 to 31 May 2015.  An extension may be granted, but only a brief one and only if the Moderator (me) feels like it and is greatly pleased by any and all bribes or tribute delivered prior to the original deadline.

7. Physical creations, pixels and stories will be judged separately and victors will be decided via polling of this most august assemblage.  Win everlasting glory and the adoration of your fellow Whiffers/modelers.

8. Any questions are to be directed to the Moderator (humble, me, again).

9. Most importantly, if all else fails, see Rule 2!

Edited for typos, typos, typos
« Last Edit: April 06, 2015, 02:22:04 AM by LemonJello »

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 05:38:02 AM »
I literally have that Ford Tri-Motor gunship on the to-do list. Not sure what historical context to put it in though...
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 06:23:09 AM »
Haven't done any profiles in a long while.  Anyone up for a collaboration on some let me know.  I have PLENTY of good ship ideas and am itching to do a ship profile  8)
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 08:35:52 AM »
I literally have that Ford Tri-Motor gunship on the to-do list.

To be honest, I probably stole that off the thread discussing upcoming GB ideas. In my defense, it IS a really good example. 

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 10:24:57 AM »
Is something half built eligible?



I need incentive to finish it.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 12:32:02 PM »
I literally have that Ford Tri-Motor gunship on the to-do list.

To be honest, I probably stole that off the thread discussing upcoming GB ideas. In my defense, it IS a really good example.

Ford Tri-Motor gunship can also be "Blue pill".   S.E.A. with engine upgrade and mini-guns.  WW2 or Suez or Korea or other.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 05:04:01 PM »
i can be in for this, imthinking of either a modern day Me262 attack aircraft, FW Flitzer interceptor (with AIM-9 missiles) or something else, i will have to check the stash  8)
on the bench:
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2015, 10:33:54 PM »
Is something half built eligible?

I need incentive to finish it.

I have no problem allowing a partial-start into this build, especially if it will re-ignite the engine to get it completed. 

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2015, 11:59:36 PM »
Is something half built eligible?

I need incentive to finish it.

I have no problem allowing a partial-start into this build, especially if it will re-ignite the engine to get it completed.

Thanks. Consider it entered.

Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2015, 09:21:31 PM »
Not quite sure this idea fits the theme, so I need a ruling.

Yay or nay?

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2015, 10:59:14 PM »
I'd love to hear how your engineers hardened AEGIS to take the overpressure from the main battery  ;)

Other than that; COOL!!!!!!!!
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2015, 11:52:14 PM »
Not quite sure this idea fits the theme, so I need a ruling.

Yay or nay?


Modernized BB with Aegis? I'd say that fits the Extended Service Life concept.  Welcome to the fun house!

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2015, 03:04:05 AM »
Question- does AEGIS reconstruction of Long Beach or Virginia qualify?

(I didn't do either one of the above examples, of course, but those are potential inspirations of what I might do to something else...... I'm inclined to think that it'd be on the same level as Polygon's idea, but just to be sure......)
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2015, 03:41:39 AM »
Question- does AEGIS reconstruction of Long Beach or Virginia qualify?

(I didn't do either one of the above examples, of course, but those are potential inspirations of what I might do to something else...... I'm inclined to think that it'd be on the same level as Polygon's idea, but just to be sure......)


Well, it works for me - it would extend the service life of those ships.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2015, 05:24:00 PM »
I'd love to hear how your engineers hardened AEGIS to take the overpressure from the main battery  ;)

Other than that; COOL!!!!!!!!

Or alternatively where would you need to locate them to protect them from the over pressure?  Possibly some blast shields could be worked in somewhere.  I recall reading that the Nelsons had an issue with blast damage to the tower structure when the third (Q?) turret was fired aft of broadside indicating that the issue was highly dependent on orientation. 

Interesting observation though, need to look into it more for one of my stalled projects.

Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2015, 10:11:53 PM »
Modernized BB with Aegis? I'd say that fits the Extended Service Life concept.  Welcome to the fun house!


I actually wasn't planning on installing the aegis, the good thing about the hobbyboss burkes is that the aegis panels aren't molded into the structure.

The reason I asked was because ripping off and replacing the superstructure is not the easiest way to extend a ships life.


I'd love to hear how your engineers hardened AEGIS to take the overpressure from the main battery  ;)

Other than that; COOL!!!!!!!!


If I did add aegis, it would be a mark II aegis:

"It's called the Mark II, so of course it's twice as useless!" :D
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2015, 09:35:46 PM »

I actually wasn't planning on installing the aegis, the good thing about the hobbyboss burkes is that the aegis panels aren't molded into the structure.

The reason I asked was because ripping off and replacing the superstructure is not the easiest way to extend a ships life.



Well, this IS the Extended Service Life and/or Back Dated Group Build, not the Financially Responsible and/or Realistic Upgrade Group Build, so have at it!

Personally, I think it would be quite interesting to see a modernized battleship, with or without Aegis.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2015, 09:37:13 AM »
By the powers invested in me as Moderator, by Our Glorious Leader, and due to the vagaries of time zones, I declare this Group Build to be officially begun! May the gods of styrene, resin and glue shine their grace upon thee.  Go forth and build, draw or write!

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2015, 03:29:35 AM »
So by service do you mean it has to be military?, or can it be any bit of machine technology, for any use?
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2015, 08:36:28 PM »
So by service do you mean it has to be military?, or can it be any bit of machine technology, for any use?

Jon, I'd never limit entries to just military usage.  Civilian (private or commercial) would be just as welcome.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2015, 11:08:39 PM »
The reason I asked was because ripping off and replacing the superstructure is not the easiest way to extend a ships life.

It's been done a lot though. Quite a few warships have had their entire superstructures, or at least bridge blocks, rebuilt into a more modern form.
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2015, 08:30:30 PM »
Ok, I have my incomplete Type 42 "Adelaide Class Light Destroyer" that I started late March for the Floaty GB

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=5316.0

I had stuff all done by the 1st of April and I missed the deadline for that GB.  As I had decided to finish is with an ASMD mast for a 2015 or later ship, could I finish it for this GB instead?

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2015, 09:45:16 PM »
Ok, I have my incomplete Type 42 "Adelaide Class Light Destroyer" that I started late March for the Floaty GB

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=5316.0

I had stuff all done by the 1st of April and I missed the deadline for that GB.  As I had decided to finish is with an ASMD mast for a 2015 or later ship, could I finish it for this GB instead?


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You are cleared to complete this for the ESL/BD GB.  It both meets the criteria and follows rule #2.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2015, 02:44:36 AM »
I've got 3 extended life span/updated flying things planned. First, an RCN A-4, this one actually have working right now.  Then an Irish AC A-4 and Irish AC Mirage F.1.

Cheers and happy modeling, Bryan

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2015, 02:55:52 AM »
I've got 3 extended life span/updated flying things planned. First, an RCN A-4, this one actually have working right now.  Then an Irish AC A-4 and Irish AC Mirage F.1.

Cheers and happy modeling, Bryan

Welcome aboard and I look forward to seeing your projects here.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2015, 11:56:58 PM »
Group Build Extension Requests?

We're under two weeks to the scheduled deadline for this Group Build, and I've had some requests for an extension submitted (in triplicate, no less).

Are there any others that feel the need for an extension? You can reply here or let me know via PM.

Keep building, drawing and writing - I've seen some incredible projects so far.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2015, 02:36:06 AM »
in triplicate, no less

Triplicate??  What sort of half-arsed show are we running here??  We demand quintuplicate as a minimum!!! C:-)
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2015, 04:00:13 AM »
in triplicate, no less

Triplicate??  What sort of half-arsed show are we running here??  We demand quintuplicate as a minimum!!! C:-)

I'd like an extension please?
I'd like an extension please?
I'd like an extension please?
I'd like an extension please?
I'd like an extension please?

May I suggest June 21st? Summer Solstice for the northern hemisphere inhabitants. Worldwide, interpretation of the event has varied among cultures, but most recognize the event in some way with holidays, festivals, and rituals around that time with themes of religion or fertility.

I like to think of whiffing as a religion and I need more time to fertilizer my mind.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2015, 04:31:10 AM »
I said "as a minimum"...


May I suggest June 21st?


3weeks??!!!  Bloody hell!!! 
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2015, 04:34:17 AM »
I said "as a minimum"...


May I suggest June 21st?



3weeks??!!!  Bloody hell!!!


Yup. Go big or go home!  :icon_punal:
I am sure Queen Victoria would agree to my request.
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2015, 04:35:15 AM »
Don't forget that we have the Vertical Take off GB starting up on the 1st June.
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2015, 04:41:56 AM »
No worries. I got my plastic collision avoidance system (PCAS) all ready to go.
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2015, 02:25:02 AM »
I suspect I'll need an extension if one's going: one thing after another have kept occuring here.... ::)
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2015, 02:35:39 AM »
I suspect I'll need an extension if one's going: one thing after another have kept occuring here.... ::)

To match the theme the GB would not only be extended by two weeks, but the start date would
also be retroactively moved back two weeks.
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2015, 02:38:25 AM »
Cheeky...and those of you with time machines should probably take advantage of said loophole... ;D
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2015, 03:24:03 AM »
To match the theme the GB would not only be extended by two weeks, but the start date would
also be retroactively moved back two weeks.

Ooohhh, THAT is definitely going to happen IF an extension is granted.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2015, 04:12:00 AM »
To all who shall see these presents, greetings!

A Two (2) Week Extension Has Been Granted For the Extended Service Life and/or Back Date Group Build

(In addition to the two weeks added, retroactively, to the start date that gives all of you an extra month of time to complete any pending projects for this GB.)

The final date for all submissions, in all categories, is now 14 June 2015.

Voting will begin on 15 June 2015 and conclude on 22 June 2015.

Carry out the remainder of the plan of the day.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2015, 08:04:03 AM by LemonJello »

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2015, 04:17:08 AM »
Tardis for Hire for those wanting to make use of the 2wks added to the start...

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2015, 07:03:58 AM »
Only a week or so to go... >:(
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2015, 10:19:31 PM »
Only a week or so to go... >:(

Well considering the TARDIS' sometime temperamental systems there is no guarantee that if you set it to return you in a week that it will.  Is this going to be taken into account?

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2015, 03:59:11 AM »
Only with a written note from a Time Lord.  In quintuplicate. On unobtanium. Notarized.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2015, 04:08:24 AM »
Only with a written note from a Time Lord.  In quintuplicate. On unobtanium. Notarized.


And no use of psychic paper will be tolerated...

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2015, 08:06:09 AM »
What?!  Buzz kill.....
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2015, 05:03:26 AM »
1 day to go...
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2015, 12:20:13 PM »
Although I havn't posted updates, mine is still in play and should* be done for the deadline.

*famous last words and all that.......
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2015, 09:13:50 PM »
I have missed yet another build. the interstate trip didn't help but the fact its now June and I'm basically a single parent until the new financial year hasn't helped.

One day I will finish one, one day.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2015, 07:04:15 PM »
TIME IS RUNNING OUT!  PLEASE GET YOUR ENTRIES POSTED AS THE POLLS WILL OPEN ON THE 15TH.

As the moderator, I send my thanks to all participants for sharing their knowledge, skills and ideas with the forum.  Most importantly, I hope everyone had fun!

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #47 on: June 14, 2015, 07:42:34 PM »
Mine fell at the last hurdle - see the thread for details....... :-[
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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #48 on: June 14, 2015, 08:04:03 PM »
Mine fell at the last hurdle - see the thread for details....... :-[

That really sucks, similar happened to me on the previous build, finished all the kit-bashing, just needed paint and final assembly.  The Haze Grey rattle can ran and orange peeled in places and I still haven't fixed it, not as bad as yours, I can still rub it back and repaint, just haven't had the time or energy. 

Was hoping to finish it for this build, i.e. my RAN DDL version of a Type 42 destroyer (instead of the FFG-07 actually selected) from the late 70s early 80s, with a hybrid DDLUP (instead of the FFGUP) plus AMSD (ANZAC Class Missile Self Defence) upgrade from 2010, life extending them to the 2020s or 30s, but just haven't been able to spend anytime on it at all.  Really disappointing as a stack of accessories I ordered from Shapeways arrived, increasing my upgrade options, i.e. an 8 cell Mk-48 VLS and I found a PE SPS-48 to use as well.

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Re: Extended Service Life and/or Back Date GB Rules
« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2015, 06:39:10 PM »
 I declare this, the Extended Service Life and/or Back Dated Group Build closed, and invite all modellers from across the globe to try their hand in any of the other Group Builds scheduled for this year.

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