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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Sea => Topic started by: ysi_maniac on January 27, 2014, 01:39:01 AM

Title: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: ysi_maniac on January 27, 2014, 01:39:01 AM
Merging Bismarck and Wisconsin. I particularly love germanized turrets  :)

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/drawShips/Bismarck-Winsconsin.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/drawShips/Bismarck-Winsconsin.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: ysi_maniac on January 28, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
This is, more or less, my idea about a post WWII Battleship, equipped with guns and missiles. Perhaps with nuclear capability.

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/drawShips/Scharnhorst-Moskva.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/drawShips/Scharnhorst-Moskva.jpeg.html)

Mainly done with Scharnhorst and Moskva bits.
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 29, 2014, 02:55:54 AM
Anti Shipping V-1 derivatives or perhaps “Zitteroschen” supersonic anti-shipping missiles plus V-2s?
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: jcf on January 30, 2014, 02:36:14 AM
Anti Shipping V-1 derivatives or perhaps “Zitteroschen” supersonic anti-shipping missiles plus V-2s?

So they'd just fire the V-1s etc. in the general direction of the enemy? And hope for the best?  ???
OK, I guess, if your enemy is in port and not moving.

Guided surface-to-surface against moving targets was just a dream in the period and nobody,
not even der Übermenschen, was even close to a solution.
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 30, 2014, 05:13:52 AM
Bah!  There you go again with that 'reality' thing.... ;)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: jcf on January 30, 2014, 05:25:11 AM
Well, I suppose you could use the piloted version.  ;D
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 23, 2017, 05:56:32 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/f9/ad/0ff9ad2c29b26d319f76714e9ca8184d.jpg)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: finsrin on September 23, 2017, 07:39:06 AM
Dang,,, is that nice or what !
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 02, 2018, 09:05:14 AM
A RW project: Scharnhorst/Gneisenau with 15 inch guns. Original and upgunned.

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/drawShips/scharnhorst_15inch.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/drawShips/scharnhorst_15inch.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: Story on March 07, 2018, 12:50:05 AM
Anti Shipping V-1 derivatives or perhaps “Zitteroschen” supersonic anti-shipping missiles plus V-2s?


V-1s would be ambitious for use against capital ships on the horizon, if a Fritz-X guidance system was grafted onto them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_X)

 
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Fritz-X was steered by the bombardier in the launching aircraft over a radio link between the aircraft's Kehl transmitter and the weapon's Straßburg receiver. The bombardier had to be able to see the target at all times, and like the Azon ordnance, the Fritz-X bomb had a flare in the tail so it could be seen from the controlling aircraft for its MCLOS-form guidance to control it properly. The disadvantage with this — in comparison to fully autonomous-guidance glide bombs like the operational U.S. Navy's Bat radar-homing glide bomb, used against Japan in 1944-45 — were that the aircraft had to be flown toward the target on a steady course and that as the missile neared its target it became possible to misguide by jamming its radio channel.


Still retaining those seaplanes, huh?
(http://www.wehrmacht-history.com/images/luftwaffe/seaplanes-flying-boats/arado-ar-196-seaplane-5.jpg)

Kehl transmitter.
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Kehl-Strasbourg_radio_control_link.html (https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Kehl-Strasbourg_radio_control_link.html)
(http://www.wehrmacht-history.com/images/luftwaffe/missiles/henschel-hs-293-joystick-anti-ship-missile-4.jpg)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 17, 2018, 06:29:15 PM
Alternative main artillery for Bismarck.

Insert: What I considered turrets could look with all big guns german designers considered during WWII, they also considered 2 gun turrets only.

In this line, I envisaged posibilities to install them on a Bismarck hull. 15 inch is included for comparison purposes.

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/drawShips/bismarck_AltGun.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/drawShips/bismarck_AltGun.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 04, 2019, 04:18:58 PM
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/WRK/Gneisenau6.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/WRK/Gneisenau6.jpg.html)

This pic, from World of Warships, seems to represent two stages in Scharnhorst evolution: top, original, and bottom, after eventual upgunning.

But bow looks a little different and bottom ship looks bigger than top ship. Is it just an effect of perspective?

Adjusting sizes looks that superstructure is moved aft in upgunned version

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/WRK/Gneisenau7.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/WRK/Gneisenau7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: Volkodav on February 10, 2019, 12:06:39 AM
Hers an idea, how about the UKs treaty with NAZI Germany had the 35000 ton max but limited calibre to 11", a 12 gun (four triple) 11" Bismarck and Tirpitz.
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: ysi_maniac on May 10, 2020, 11:43:03 AM
3x3 config for Bismarck

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/drawShips/Bismarck-3x3.jpeg) (https://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/drawShips/Bismarck-3x3.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 05, 2022, 10:27:13 PM
What if a Scharnhorst equipped with a pair of "germanized" version of british 4x14in turret (from KGV)?

A kind of german Strasbourg. :smiley:

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Scharnhorst_14inx8.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/1e375ab6-24f2-4acb-b799-4c19e793f76b/p/7fde0c86-46ba-4763-b815-5972ba050d20)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: finsrin on July 06, 2022, 12:21:16 AM
Perhaps one/some survived the war and were seized by USN.  Later modernized in 1980s alongside the Iowa class.  Be a kit-bash project.
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 06, 2022, 01:53:59 AM
Perhaps one/some survived the war and were seized by USN.  Later modernized in 1980s alongside the Iowa class.  Be a kit-bash project.

More likely to have gone the same way as the Prinz Eugen:

(https://gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Prinz-Eugen-Atomic-Blast.jpg)
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: ChernayaAkula on July 07, 2022, 06:30:13 AM
What if a Scharnhorst equipped with a pair of "germanized" version of british 4x14in turret (from KGV)?
A kind of german Strasbourg. :smiley:

A Straßburg, then.  ;)

Looks great! :smiley:
Title: Re: Schlachtschiffe Bismarck, Tirpitz, Gneisenau und Scharnhorst ideen
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 15, 2022, 03:11:15 AM
Kind of soviet Scharnhorst. Continuing obssesion with 14in quad turrets.

This study is for a project that includes 3 models in diferent scales

1. Revell 1/570 Scharnhorst
2. Airfix 1/600 Moskva
3. Zhengdefu 30 cm Sovremenny. Resulting scale is 1/520

All four drawings have the same armament approx: 2 quadruple tuurets and a newly designed turret equipped with 3 SSN missiles. You see here possible conbinations accoding 2 indepent issues: superstructure coming from Sovremenny / Moskva and chase / balanced  config. Chase config means gun turrets on A and B location and missiles turret in Z position and  balanced config is gun turrets on A and Z positions and missiles in B location,

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/SovScharnhorst.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/1e375ab6-24f2-4acb-b799-4c19e793f76b/p/3be71a68-1d84-4f1a-94bf-7e626d783e5e)

What do you prefer?