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Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« on: March 30, 2017, 01:49:08 AM »
Years before the Cold War, the USA proposed to USSR Red-Star Lightnings, impossible to refuse, and at the bargain price of 1,917 rubles per copy... 1,917,000 copies were ordered, but never paid so never delivered:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2017, 02:51:23 AM »
HA!!  :)
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2017, 04:20:30 AM »
 :) :) :)

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2017, 05:24:39 AM »
Errr...is it 1st of April yet? ::)
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2017, 10:24:34 AM »
Errr...is it 1st of April yet? ::)
Do you mean "it is completely forbidden to post before this date", "this is evil, shame!", I just don't understand, as this is completely contradictory to rule #1: "have fun".
Other contradiction: if you don't want members to post, don't flash the group build banner, don't start writing rules topic and all, just wait the starting day to do that.
Are you ill of over-commanding spirit?

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2017, 04:41:52 PM »
Rule 3 also must be taken into account comrade.  That said, any final determinations will be up to Comrade LemonJello, the current Secretary of the Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production.  I have heard rumours that he is a forgiving individual.  The Under Secretary of for Security of Carburettor Seals and modelling knives wouldn't be so forgiving though.  I hear he likes to make examples of those showing counter revolutionary tendencies ...
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2017, 09:49:28 PM »
The Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production has met and come to the following conclusion:

Comrade Tophe's eagerness to show the motherland's foes our military prowess is admirable but must be tempered so as to keep Шпионы и диверсанты (spies and saboteurs) in the dark.  In this case, we of the Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production see this as merely a "peek behind the curtain" sure to rouse the proletariat to even greater goals!

However, we must warn the collective that our glorious leader, GTX_Admin has his gimlet eye upon us all!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2017, 01:25:55 AM »
If you don’t want people to come (in advance) don’t call them (in advance). If ever you have made the mistake to call them too early, don’t blame them to have come, as this is your own fault. Blaming innocent victims (of your own mistake) is not fun at all.

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2017, 01:39:19 AM »
No one is trying to trick or hurt anyone here.  Banners and rules have always gone up in advance in order to build excitement and because moderators are not always available to post these things just at the stroke of midnight on the designated day.  The intention was not to fool anyone.  On the other hand, without start and end dates, the GB is meaningless.  But Lemonjello has already said that the entries entered early will be allowed. So PLEASE stop feeling hurt and just enjoy the rest of the group build which actually starts in a few hours. 

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2017, 02:06:05 AM »
Tophe, let's clear the air here between us, as I seem to have upset you:

1) The start date is clearly listed as 1 April, 2017 in my first Rules and Regulations post - I don't see how/where I called anybody early to anything.

2) In the grand scheme of the multiverse, it doesn't matter. Your entry, and others that were "early," are more than welcome, and I encourage you to keep contributing - you have a unique perspective on these subjects that I enjoy seeing.

3)Perhaps there is a language disconnect between us, as I can't keep track of every member's home nation and primary language, so I hope I haven't offended you with my admittedly poor attempts at Cold War-era propaganda phrases and stereotypes. It's all meant in fun.


Added: Comrade Tophe! Welcome! The Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production can only imagine the awe your designs will create amongst both the greater collective here and our adversaries in the west! Onward!
« Last Edit: March 31, 2017, 05:15:26 AM by LemonJello »

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2017, 11:03:48 AM »
Banners and rules have always gone up in advance in order to build excitement
That's the problem. It is like the young girl in miniskirt and deep neckline, loving to tease and excite and seduce, just to slam the door in the face of lovers, I judge she is very bad, not nice at all.
My goal was not to be perfect to win, I was just trying to smile and this is a complete failure.

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2017, 11:06:56 PM »
That's the problem. It is like the young girl in miniskirt and deep neckline, loving to tease and excite and seduce, just to slam the door in the face of lovers, I judge she is very bad, not nice at all.
My goal was not to be perfect to win, I was just trying to smile and this is a complete failure.

Tophe, no worries on this end, internet posts are an imperfect method of conveying tone and inflection of words.  If you had used the young woman/miniskirt/neckline comparison first, I think I would have understood your meaning more easily.

Again, I welcome your participation in this Group Build!

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2017, 11:19:33 AM »
Thanks.
Now on this side of the planet it is April 01st 2017, 05:19am
Here is the Mustang counterpart:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2017, 11:20:33 AM »
And Twin-Mustang:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2017, 02:53:19 PM »
As the RedStar RS-82 Dveen-Mooztank was refused by the Kremlin, a less-crazy RS-82A derivative was proposed, but in vain... :(

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2017, 08:31:09 PM »
The Committee of State Sanctioned Modelling, Alternative History and Tractor Carburettor Production affixes the official Seal of Approval to these progressive designs!



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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2017, 09:46:32 PM »
 :)
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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2017, 10:41:37 PM »
Thanks.
The RS-38 gave also birth to a RS-38A more serious proposal, that failed to reach success:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2017, 11:00:48 PM »
The RS-38B would have been coded "P-38" (Proletarii 38th):

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2017, 11:29:12 PM »
The VVS (Soviet Air Force) was interested by the first RS-38 but explained the need had changed to a very long range escort fighter, thus the proposal RS-38Z:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2017, 11:37:15 PM »
As 4 engines were drinking too much gasoline, a RS-38BZ version was proposed:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2017, 11:50:13 PM »
2 engines were still too much so a single-engined RS-38Z1 was designed and built, but it was fragile and the prototype broke during its first taxiing before take-off:

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2017, 07:29:09 PM »
Engineer comrade Tofi argued that guns are capitalistic weapons and proletarian pilots should use ramming fighters with the Tools of workers & farmers, this gave the Serp i Molot SM-38P1, P-2 and P-3 The last one had a worker pilot and a farmer pilot, reaching at the top the communist glory... (no, not propaganda, who said that ? before going to prison or graveyard...).

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2017, 07:44:26 PM »
And Twin-Mustang:

Not too far of the truth Tophe

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Re: Red Star layout for Lightning & Mustang
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2017, 01:16:43 AM »
Thanks. Maybe that was the source somewhere in my brain, even unconscious... ;)

But let us talk about History again, the true one.
Comrade engineer Kreizii said that the "engine" is a capitalist invention (burning alive the working molecules !) and must be discarded from genuine Soviet airplanes. He said a strong and pure political faith is enough for power.
The prototype though failed to run and to take off, so the pilot was killed (probably a capitalist spy), and the second pilot as well, then... the engineer himself was killed, ahem...
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