Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on January 08, 2012, 03:36:51 AM
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Hi folks,
A thread for your Consolidated PBY Catalina Ideas and Inspiration.
I can't really help here - the Cat' is probably one of my all time favourite aircraft and I simply can't see how it could be perfected...apart from my owning a real one...which almost happened...and may yet again...
Regards,
Greg
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Replacing the recip engines with over wings jets? Or doubling up the engines to 4?
Adding a proper 2-4 gun power turret in the nose.
Replacing the 2 aft blisters with a single 2-4 gun turret
Adding a proper 4 gun power turret over the FE's position
Adding a twin tail which has a tail gunners position like the B-25H or J.
Some type of AWACs radar over the center wing? Not that more drag is required to slow it down.
Of course it would have to be a PBV-2 made by Canadian Vickers of Montreal
;)
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Triple turbines, also arranged in that distinctive far-too-close-together look of the twin radials. Outer engines rotate opposite each other.
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Hi folks,
A thread for your Consolidated PBY Catalina Ideas and Inspiration.
I can't really help here - the Cat' is probably one of my all time favourite aircraft and I simply can't see how it could be perfected...apart from my owning a real one...which almost happened...and may yet again...
Regards,
Greg
The "Cat" is iconic in that the fuselage is literally a sculpture. About the only straight lines on it are the cockpit windows. Only the SR-71 or the Martin lifting bodies has this level of curvatures comparable of this 1930's era parasol wing flying boat.
So any whif must not violate the fuselage in any manner unless expanding its dimensions overall or proportionally shrinking it.
This just leaves the wing and the engines in play. Maybe go with a swept wing lowered to the shoulder position, with the flight engineer having to move out of his loft office , and a pair of jets atop the wing like on the Seamaster or the Beriev-10. Swept for the tail planes as well, not a dramatic sweep, maybe 25 or 30 degrees for wings and tailplanes are almost there as they were!
The keys to the cat is "less is more" as far as redesign.
Beyond this idea, bring in Tophe, yell "Catamaran!" and watch the magic... !
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There was this real world four engined Cat':
(http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/imagesPBY_Catalina/31.jpg)
And the less said about it the better.
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That's gross. :icon_swat:
Concise enough? :)
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How about going the Do-26 route with push-pull engines or the Do-24 route with three piston or turboprops?
Regards,
John
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Something I played with a while back:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/Cats.jpg)
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Interesting topic and posts. Have built 1/48 Catalina got out of a garage. Leaving it mostly intact, plan to do mods which make it 1/72.
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A couple of real-world proposals.
(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-VnBk4TD/0/f2d05fda/O/TURBO-CAT_01.jpg)
RR-Dart Turbo-Canso
(http://photos.smugmug.com/OLDPB/i-rw32mJf/0/f897b0f2/O/SKYBARGE_01.jpg)
SkyBarge
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And here I was thinking I was original... ;)
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where do they stow the props while loading the front bay ?? ...... "oh, I didn't think that far ahead" :icon_nif:
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So, in that new Unflown Wings: Unbuilt Soviet/Russian Aircraft Projects Since 1925 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1906537348/) book that I bought recently, there's a neat image of a Soviet GST (license-built Catalina) with two Polikarpov I-15bis aircraft attached to the top wing.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51g7h7m0tKL._SX260_.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1906537348/)
It looked like something out of Talespin to me.
Anyway, it was a neat idea that I'd never heard of, so I thought I'd share it for inspiration here.
Cheers,
Logan
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The first volunme of Convair Secret Projects has some intereting civil derivative studies for the basic PBY design.
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That is a good book, as well, if you like flying boats.
Cheers,
Logan
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Steward-Davis also offered their Jet-Packs, you know them from the S-D C-82 and C-119 conversions, for their Super Catalina conversion. One to three could be fitted.
Three J3402 packs on the R-2600 powered Super Cat would definitely add some grunt. ;D
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Yikes!
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A couple of real-world proposals.
([url]http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/TURBO-CAT_01.jpg[/url])
RR-Dart Turbo-Canso
Looks like another project for the Dart nacelles I've done for a Sunderland --- ;)
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Hi team,
Another angle on the Avalon proposal:
(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h455/harrysone/artists_zpsea6049eb.jpg)
From "PBY: The Catalina Flying Boat" by Roscoe Creed. Info from that book: "For some Cansos the future may hold a different look and a different sound. Avalon Aviation is considering planes to replace the reciprocating engines of its Cansos with Rolls Royce Dart turboprop engines, creating a "Turbo Cat" that would outperform even the Super Cats. Because the planes are based on land and scoop their loads from fresh water lakes and rivers, none of the corrosion problems attendant on turbine-powered seaplanes which operated on salt water after the war would be likely."
And a model build of it at another forum I frequent: http://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/22460/turbine-dart-engined-canso-catalina (http://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/22460/turbine-dart-engined-canso-catalina)
It certainly has my mind working!
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Photoshop via Facebook
(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14611094_1035311389921852_3195105416164174372_n.jpg?oh=f8171c9ee1dca6bc5aef10196cae4c6e&oe=58F6EFF6)
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Hmmm...that's doable
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I had the idea of putting a Japanese mavis wing on a catalina, 4 engines as well. Kind of a preview there
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That would be cool.
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Sigh...a dream:
(http://263i3m2dw9nnf6zqv39ktpr1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Cat-civ-960_640.jpg)
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Your average sail yacht would likely be faster as the cat flies at human walking pace.
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Yeah but what a chick magnet!
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Crew member still in plane ... :-* :-* :-*
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She only loves him for two his two Pratt & Whitney R-1830-92 Twin Wasp radial engines.
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(http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/News%20Stories%20H/Wet%20Dreams%20and%20Nightmares/Lanseaire42.jpg)
http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/424/language/fr-FR/Sweet-Dreams-and-Nightmares.aspx (http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/424/language/fr-FR/Sweet-Dreams-and-Nightmares.aspx)
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Thanks Jon. :smiley:
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Just some more inspiration:
(https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/images-profile-flow/350/images-medium-large-5/catalina-sam-smith-photography.jpg)
(https://render.fineartamerica.com/images/images-profile-flow/350/images-medium-large-5/wheels-up-sam-smith-photography.jpg)
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([url]http://263i3m2dw9nnf6zqv39ktpr1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Cat-civ-960_640.jpg[/url])
I find it interesting that the landing gear is, atypically, deployed on the water.
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(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS-2/i-kGtGPbS/0/b665de10/O/IMG_0311.jpg)
(http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS-2/i-Mf53Wb8/0/daf3db69/O/63BC0C35-AD39-4B7B-8EDA-21B610EAEA20.jpg)
http://www.ruudleeuw.com/search113.htm (http://www.ruudleeuw.com/search113.htm)
(http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austb/VH-BRI.jpg)
VH-BRI before she was a houseboat.
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That's a pretty cool looking houseboat, but its the ugliest Catalina I ever saw.
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Interesting house boat idea, it reminds me a bit of the Saro Cloud at the Kbely museum in Prague. After the war, it had it's wngs stripped off and was used as a houseboat for a number of years before the museum got it.
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Some up gunned Cat's
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/117915963_10217170598246590_2762961672398819225_o-jpg.601462/)(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/118086209_10217170598046585_4210724353506354578_n-jpg.601463/)
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/pby-20mm-bow-gun-iceland-23-jun-1943-80-g-081177-jpg.601633/)
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Something civil:
(http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/civil-catalina-2/Cat-BRI-EN-Lindsay%20Wise-KKK.jpg)
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And the horror of how the above beauty ended up :o:
(http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/civil-catalina-2/Cat-BRI-houseboat-Shute-Harbour-8.90-Henrietta-Hoh-GG-KOM.jpg)
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Another in civilian scheme:
(http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/civil-catalina-2/Cat-SBV-PtMoresby-on-water-Bruce-Potts-KOM.jpg)
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A unique view:
(http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/civil-catalina-2/Cat-N68756-HRL-6.10.79-from-blister-KOM.jpg)
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The horrors shown here (http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/lake-boga-disposals/lakeboga.html) are just too painful to re-produce. :o
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Another in civilian scheme:
([url]http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/civil-catalina-2/Cat-SBV-PtMoresby-on-water-Bruce-Potts-KOM.jpg[/url])
Makes me want to get a kit of the Catalina and Pan Am decals...guess I know one thing I'll be looking for at the Old Dominion Open show/contest in a couple of weeks.
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Even better IMHO. RCAF over the Lions Gate Bridge.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51875728746_ea39fe56b2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n35EQj)
RCAF-Canso-01 (https://flic.kr/p/2n35EQj) by Carl Wimmi (https://www.flickr.com/photos/153210713@N02/), on Flickr
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([url]http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS-2/i-kGtGPbS/0/b665de10/O/IMG_0311.jpg[/url])
([url]http://photos.smugmug.com/BTS-2/i-Mf53Wb8/0/daf3db69/O/63BC0C35-AD39-4B7B-8EDA-21B610EAEA20.jpg[/url])
[url]http://www.ruudleeuw.com/search113.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.ruudleeuw.com/search113.htm[/url])
([url]http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austb/VH-BRI.jpg[/url])
VH-BRI before she was a houseboat.
Oh the embarrassment - if I had just scrolled up a little I would have seen Jon had posted the same. Ah well, still a nice photo. ;D
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For anyone interested in civil Cats, this is the best resource:
https://www.amazon.com/Consolidated-Pby-Catalina-Peacetime-Record/dp/1557502455 (https://www.amazon.com/Consolidated-Pby-Catalina-Peacetime-Record/dp/1557502455)
VH-BRI was N95R when she went to Australia to Ansett as Golden Islander.
Up until 1958 she still had the forward gun-turret, this was removed and the 'clipper
bow' and an air-stair were installed. The aircraft was taken out of service after a
hard landing that resulted in a sprung hull following by sinking. It was after that
it was sold and became a houseboat.
More Catalina (and a Dornier Do-24) houseboats:
https://ruudleeuw.com/search113.htm (https://ruudleeuw.com/search113.htm)
(https://ruudleeuw.com/images/search/113-river-house_boat-paul_lawrence-1988.jpg)
(https://ruudleeuw.com/images/search/113-OZhouseboats_Dornier-Echuca-FB2021-c.jpg)
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Reviving The PBY Catalina For Modern Warfare Is This Company’s Goal
As the U.S. seeks runway-independent aircraft for a Pacific fight, Catalina Aircraft says its revamped flying boat can play a role.
A Florida company plans to turn an iconic World War II seaplane design into a modern aircraft it claims can perform airborne amphibious operations required by the U.S. military.
Dubbed the Next Generation Amphibious Aircraft (NGAA) Catalina II twin turboprop amphibious flying boat, the aircraft is based on the historic Consolidated PBY 5 Catalina that provided maritime patrol, light transport, and search and rescue, among other duties.
“The NGAA Catalina II is a modern amphibian with advanced engines and avionics and will offer capabilities no other amphibian can provide today," said Lawrence Reece, president of Catalina Aircraft. That’s a Longboat Key, Florida company holding the U.S. and Canadian type certificates for the PBY-5.
The company’s announcement comes as the U.S. seeks runway-independent aircraft that can operate in an environment where large airbases and runways are likely to be early targets in any future conflict with an adversary like China.
The military version, which the company is calling the “NGAA Catalina II Special Use Variant,” is a “new production 40,000-pound Maximum Take-Off Weight (MTOW) unpressurized, twin-turboprop, Sea State 3-capable, amphibious flying boat geared to support government and military-type Concepts of Operations (CONOPs),” the company claims in its media release.
Full article here: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/aviation-company-relaunching-pby-5-as-modern-military-aircraft (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/aviation-company-relaunching-pby-5-as-modern-military-aircraft)
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Came to this thread to make sure that article was shared. Wonder what the new livery might look like
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/4e/b3/b3/4eb3b3abc708cd1657ae50cdaa785e42.jpg)
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just to make it go faster.
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https://youtu.be/9TaBTjHVx6A?si=hbZSmS3QlhgW-qoG
https://youtu.be/9TaBTjHVx6A?si=hbZSmS3QlhgW-qoG
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How about Cousteau's Catalina? Even if it is not the original, but a replica.
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj6Cnol4Hrb3KX7qqVL_qYXjcxPEY35KKTjmSLqlxh8Xl1ioxDc1KPme2BP8bso0RcsSsoJO2FnO0yo-xG3jTMcMpcHb3UljnZFaIx1LyMW_wo36ROLE5UjaGbzqZ2x9XVvfs77ChZPqfY/s1600/MG_Consolidated+PBY-5A+Canso_France%2527s+Flying+Warbirds_Cousteau+Catalina+cs_N9767_10.09.16_LFGB_5799.JPG)
(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhrTsF8TCNawHQ0iTQP6GZg5EiLdtV2izwECexbccMlik3rr2kSzBPQRUz76l5gQx6EiF7vN4tYX1RklYGbm-IPzEO3u-7Y3kGX5-siySmcpkZVPcArO9wRcEVAxLa5k5IY3NEQgoIMagI/s1600/MG_Consolidated+PBY-5A+Canso_France%2527s+Flying+Warbirds_Cousteau+Catalina+cs_N9767_10.09.16_LFGB_2704.JPG)
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Any Catalina is a good Catalina!!!