Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: Daryl J. on October 13, 2012, 04:31:38 AM
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MiG-23 USAF DCAM machine. Unoriginal and uninspired perhaps, but I'd love to have the new Trumpy kit in said markings abiding in Ye Olde Home.
MiG-23 fixed wing prototype. Wing plan form similar to the Mirage F.1. Perhaps OKB MiG had a fixed wing project but this would be different.
MiG-25 (Daryl's only open complaint to be seen on this board ever: Oh I wish there were a new tool MiG-25!! :icon_crap: :icon_crap: :icon_crap:).
MiG-27 US Coast Guard.
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Chinese PLAAF MiG-23
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....as in all white?
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Yep!
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(http://www.the3dstudio.com/download_image.ashx?size=large&mode=product&file_guid=309fb24a-038f-49ec-b44e-2198961976e0)
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like that
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Carrier based MiG-23K proposal:
(http://paralay.com/atakr/23k2.jpg)
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Pic of some models -
Chinese built Q-? in Iraqi service at the front and a Soviet naval early Mig-23 at the back.
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The Chinese MiG-23 lookalike was the Nanchang Q-6.
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The Chinese MiG-23 lookalike was the Nanchang Q-6.
Thanks I hd a mental block lol
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MiG-23 fixed wing prototype. Wing plan form similar to the Mirage F.1. Perhaps OKB MiG had a fixed wing project but this would be different.
Hmm, actually the concept of a fixed wing, non-STOVL, developed version of the MiG-23PD/23-01 is interesting:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8DAL7gPYBiM/TNtuNtHZeKI/AAAAAAAAAmw/zN8rl7Cpbh8/s1600/mig23pd-4.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8DAL7gPYBiM/TNtuNVuLjAI/AAAAAAAAAms/burJWT3TTGk/s1600/mig23pd-1.jpg)
Maybe take standard MiG-23 fuselage (with standard intakes), remove VG Wing, add wing from MiG-21 or maybe Su-15, change landing gear appropriately...hmmm ::)
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MiG-23 fixed wing prototype. Wing plan form similar to the Mirage F.1. Perhaps OKB MiG had a fixed wing project but this would be different.
Hmm, actually the concept of a fixed wing, non-STOVL, developed version of the MiG-23PD/23-01 is interesting:
([url]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_8DAL7gPYBiM/TNtuNtHZeKI/AAAAAAAAAmw/zN8rl7Cpbh8/s1600/mig23pd-4.jpg[/url])
([url]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8DAL7gPYBiM/TNtuNVuLjAI/AAAAAAAAAms/burJWT3TTGk/s1600/mig23pd-1.jpg[/url])
Maybe take standard MiG-23 fuselage (with standard intakes), remove VG Wing, add wing from MiG-21 or maybe Su-15, change landing gear appropriately...hmmm ::)
In 1/72, build ArtModel kit with lift engine bay sealed and converted to more fuel tankage plus suitable underwing hardware. Conversion to standare MiG-23 inlets is optional; I'm going with the canards from a Kfir instead.
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http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=975543 (http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=975543)
The thread is typical in that it is the usual plethora of facts and arguing but the pictures show options for things to do with a MiG-21 and the somewhat misshapen HC/ESCI/Italeri 1:48 kits.
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Well the Trumpeter MiG-23 arrived today so it was compared as soon as possible to the ESCI kit of the same type. So, from an Accurist's point of view what is goofed up on the older kit? Simple: everything.
That means it's perfect for whatiffing! :)). Well, everything is of course, but significant shape issues can lend themselves a favourable jump start on occasion. At the moment I'm considering scratch building a TSR.2-like main wing for it along with a fuselage stretch. The older tooling is much more round and svelt than the Chinese kit which would work quite well aesthetically speaking for some previously unknown MiG prototype.
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I would keep in mind the numerous comments about Trumpeters goofs Daryl, I've got a couple of their kits which look, shall we say ""odd"" ----
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Agreed with :icon_sueno: completely. :icon_sueno:
It appears to be much more like the MiG-23 I was loosely examining at the Evergreen Aviation Museum, however, than the ESCI kit. Given it has the number of parts it does, the chance of it actually being built have fallen waaay down. The ESCI one, however? Well........we will see what the Holiday break will bring. 8)
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Some more inspiration:
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7825/copiadecopiadecutawaymi.jpg)
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More:
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6937/cutawaymig23knaval.gif)
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Some more inspiration:
([url]http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7825/copiadecopiadecutawaymi.jpg[/url])
I've got the ArtModel kit and a set of Kfir intakes and canards and I'm looking to do an alternate MiG-23PD; this will definitely advise its stores load out.
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The roundels aren't aligned properly, but otherwise I'm surprised at how "right" this looks. Maybe because it's generationally very close to the Viggen.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cya4BbzWQAAvIg5.jpg)
Looks very right indeed. :)
Kit-bash idea: Flogger fuselage with Viggen wings? ???
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4542/38688755071_8f454876c8_o.png) (https://flic.kr/p/21WMYZe)Flogger-Viggen-mash (https://flic.kr/p/21WMYZe) by Motschke (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151156765@N03/), on Flickr
Perhaps swap the fold-away ventral fin for two long strakes (à la F-8 Crusader) and add a hook for a carrier-borne variant?
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That looks great! :)
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Tailed delta Flogger
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/FloggerTaileDelta.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/FloggerTaileDelta.jpg.html)
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A few days ago, a Finnish MiG-23 with MiG-21 wing was posted on Facebok:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1616213955088504&set=pcb.1449661188464833&type=3&ifg=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1616213955088504&set=pcb.1449661188464833&type=3&ifg=1)
(https://scontent.fqlf1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23843196_1616213955088504_221797288743690976_n.jpg?oh=a33267d48097d5b10bb77029d840e571&oe=5A9FF243)
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Doesn't look quite as good as Carlos', to me. ;)
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Tailed delta Flogger
([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/FloggerTaileDelta.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/FloggerTaileDelta.jpg.html[/url])
I really like this and it makes sense as a "quick and dirty" simplified variant
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Doesn't look quite as good as Carlos', to me. ;)
The MiG-21 wing looks a bit on the small side. More like F-104 proportions.
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A few days ago, a Finnish MiG-23 with MiG-21 wing was posted on Facebok:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1616213955088504&set=pcb.1449661188464833&type=3&ifg=1 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1616213955088504&set=pcb.1449661188464833&type=3&ifg=1)
(https://scontent.fqlf1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23843196_1616213955088504_221797288743690976_n.jpg?oh=a33267d48097d5b10bb77029d840e571&oe=5A9FF243)
Looks closer to a Ye-230 operational version without the lift engines. I'm looking to do something similar, but with the addition of canards.
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Looks closer to a Ye-230 operational version without the lift engines. I'm looking to do something similar, but with the addition of canards.
Canards are a good idea on this one, I think. :smiley:
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More Flogger re-winging:
Straight 1/1 Mirage F.1 wing transplant:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4547/38632587816_997f4ee0e9_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21RQ7qh)
MiG-23 w F1 wing (https://flic.kr/p/21RQ7qh) by Motschke (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151156765@N03/), on Flickr
Looks slightly odd. I think it could be improved by moving the main wings farther aft.
Mirage F.1 wing with some extension bits near the fuselage for a more fitting look. Could also facilitate adding another wing pylon, allowing carriage of an additional AAM per wing:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4528/38689014171_1775615299_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21WPj1t)
MiG-23 w F1 wing2 (https://flic.kr/p/21WPj1t) by Motschke (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151156765@N03/), on Flickr
For a 1/72 version, I've thought about nicking the wings of a Trumpeter JH-7 Flying Leopard and cut them to an appropriate span. Since you'd have to graft them onto the Flogger fuselage anyway, I suppose it would be easier than extending the F.1's wings.
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:smiley:
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Mirage 5 + MiG-23
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Mirage-V_MiG-23.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Mirage-V_MiG-23.jpg.html)
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MiG-23PD/Mirage2K wings
Nice!! Be a humorous touch to use a Mirage IIIV wing, instead.
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New tailfin for MiGs
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/MiG_F-16.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/MiG_F-16.jpg.html)
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MiG-23 with scaloramed F4 body, wings and tail plane. Wheels is at MiG-23 scale.
(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig-23_phantom100.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/mig-23_phantom100.jpeg.html)
MiG-23 upgraded with MiG-29 bits
(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/MiG-23-upgd.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/MiG-23-upgd.jpeg.html)
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They're both gorgeous! :-*
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That lower one looks a bit like the Naval MiG-23K proposed:
(https://i1.wp.com/www.zona-militar.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MiG-23K-1977_01.jpg?zoom=2&resize=851%2C318&ssl=1)
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MiG-23 with scaloramed F4 body, wings and tail plane. Wheels is at MiG-23 scale.
([url]https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/mig-23_phantom100.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/mig-23_phantom100.jpeg.html[/url])
I suppose a two-engine MiG-27 arrangement (alas smaller and less powerful engines) would make it somewhat VG-winged Jaguarski like 😯 In essence giving it a better operational redundancy - during both peace and in combat ysi_maniac
M.A.D
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MiG-23 upgrade with MiG-29 avionics and AL-31 engine from Su-27. I could see it for home use in upgrading the MiG-23MLD and for upgrading export MiG-23's for approved customers.
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MiG-23 upgrade with MiG-29 avionics and AL-31 engine from Su-27. I could see it for home use in upgrading the MiG-23MLD and for upgrading export MiG-23's for approved customers.
Well there was the "MiG-23-98" upgrade packages which included a partial "glass cockpit", improved Sapfir radar or new Moskit radar, a comprehensive modern countermeasures suite, and other avionics updates. They would be able to support R-77 (NATO "AA-12 Adder") and the R-27R1 (NATO "AA-10 Alamo") heatseeking dogfighting AAM, associated with the Mikoyan MiG-29 Fulcrum. Surface attack capability would also be enhanced with new targeting systems and weapons. It never went anywhere though.
I do like your idea though. Maybe a MiG-23-21st century. Give it the Phazotron Zhuk-A/AE AESA radar from the MiG-35 though along with the OLS-UEM (13SM-1) electro-optical targeting station from the same. Also fully upgrade the cockpit to full glass and with HMD. A Saturn AL-31, especially with thrust vectoring, would be cool though it might be a tad large (diameter wise) for the fuselage. Might need to give the girl a fatter arse... (refrained from any dirtier comments ;)). Also give it R-73 and R-77 missiles. Might as well also upgrade the cannon to the 30mm GSh-30-1 as well.
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That lower one looks a bit like the Naval MiG-23K proposed:
(https://i1.wp.com/www.zona-militar.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MiG-23K-1977_01.jpg?zoom=2&resize=851%2C318&ssl=1)
I've always appreciated the raised canopy design - well for Soviet fighter of the time!!
M.A.D
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I've long wondered how to replicate it in plastic.
A MiG-29 canopy heavily modified perhaps?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e8/MiG-29.svg/1599px-MiG-29.svg.png)
or perhaps a F-84F one:
(https://i.imgur.com/D0ZROUL.jpg)
Would probably need to play with MiG-23 fuselage and various donors to check fit and where to cut etc.
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That lower one looks a bit like the Naval MiG-23K proposed:
(https://i1.wp.com/www.zona-militar.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MiG-23K-1977_01.jpg?zoom=2&resize=851%2C318&ssl=1)
I've always appreciated the raised canopy design - well for Soviet fighter of the time!!
I wonder if the aft clear section over the cockpit of the Mig-21/21f would work for the back section of this canopy?
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Maybe:
(https://scontent.fbne6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/883853_10151540872269767_1399405900_o.png?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=EtNPyGLSPTMAX_tvCrw&_nc_ht=scontent.fbne6-1.fna&oh=b3b2ac80c6773e09e3356ab6b44202f9&oe=5ED5A471)
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Carrier based MiG-23Ks:
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/1668882300688.png)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/1668882384074.png)
CFBV