Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: dy031101 on February 18, 2012, 08:01:30 AM
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After that A-10B I was thinking what else I can put a tail gun turret on......
Something fast, but not too fast.
(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/JaguarTailgun.jpg)
I was thinking of giving the tail gunner's console some ECM- and Wild-Weasel-related controls, too.
Granted, the result gives off a vibe that I don't feel completely right...... the engines might need to be moved outboard to give room for a bigger tail, for starters......
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Genius!!! :icon_surprised:
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Found this while looking for something else at ARC in the Silly Week gallery.
ARC Silly Week 2006 - 1/72nd scale Jaguar GR.9 built by Rob Haelterman (http://)
(http://www.arcair.com/Gal5/4301-4400/gal4357_Jaguar_Haelterman/01.jpg)
(Image source: Rob Haelterman via ARC (http://www.arcair.com/Gal5/4301-4400/gal4357_Jaguar_Haelterman/00.shtm))
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:)
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Wonder how a Jaguar would do with the inlets and engines from a Tornado?
A simpler thought is a developed Jaguar-M with the Agave radar nose and the LRMTS in a neat fairing below it.
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Found this while looking for something else at ARC in the Silly Week gallery.
ARC Silly Week 2006 - 1/72nd scale Jaguar GR.9 built by Rob Haelterman (http://)
([url]http://www.arcair.com/Gal5/4301-4400/gal4357_Jaguar_Haelterman/01.jpg[/url])
(Image source: Rob Haelterman via ARC ([url]http://www.arcair.com/Gal5/4301-4400/gal4357_Jaguar_Haelterman/00.shtm[/url]))
I like it!!!
M.A.D
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What about a dedicated recon version in the same mood as the RF-4 or RF-5 with dedicated camera nose etc. call it a Jaguar PR.1 or FR.1.
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Kiwi with the Agave nose.
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My question re the Jaguar: Other than loading problems, what were the downsides of its overwing rails that resulted in nothing else using them? Seems like a quick way to add extra hardpoints to a Tomcat or an air-superiority F-15...
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My question re the Jaguar: Other than loading problems, what were the downsides of its overwing rails that resulted in nothing else using them? Seems like a quick way to add extra hardpoints to a Tomcat or an air-superiority F-15...
Well, unless the design is stressed for those from the beginning, the change in airflow over the top of the wing makes for altered airloads and changes the stresses on structure. This won't hurt you short term, but it definitely can shorten aircraft life. On the other hand, if you put them above existing pylons where you've already got beefier structure and perhaps upgrade that a tad, it might be doable after all.
I'd love to see a combo of the best of the Jaguar and Mitsubishi F-1, perhaps with the addition of the Agave radar and underslung LRMTS asn well as wingtip Sidewinders or equivalents as well as over-the-wing rails.
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Kiwi with the Agave nose.
It has the 'Jaguar M' carrier landing gear and intake splitter from my previous naval profiles (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1405.msg18231#msg18231), but I suppose it's alright for demonstrating the idea:
(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee65/Scorchi0/Profiles/Jaguar/Jag_RNZAF1.jpg)
Purchased in parallel to, or from retiring RAN stocks (http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee65/Scorchi0/Profiles/Jaguar/Jag_RAN2.jpg) perhaps? :D
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Thank you thats great!
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How about with a chin LRMTS or other optronic system in a ventral fairing just aft of the radome as was posited for some Agave-equipped versions? For a late-upgrade to such, use the guts of a Sniper pod or fair that into the forward fuselage.
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I'd love to see a combo of the best of the Jaguar and Mitsubishi F-1, perhaps with the addition of the Agave radar and underslung LRMTS asn well as wingtip Sidewinders or equivalents as well as over-the-wing rails.
You mean, rather like this one (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2381.0)? ;)
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I'd love to see a combo of the best of the Jaguar and Mitsubishi F-1, perhaps with the addition of the Agave radar and underslung LRMTS asn well as wingtip Sidewinders or equivalents as well as over-the-wing rails.
You mean, rather like this one ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2381.0[/url])? ;)
Well, yeah, that'll do for starters. ;)
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Jaguar with canards!
The canards are cut-up horizontal tailplanes on both.
The main wing on the upper one is a Jaguar wing with an increased chord. The main wing on the lower one has a higher sweep angle on the leading edge. Both main wings should easily accept wingtip rails.
(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/Jaguar-canard_zps4dc4ca10.png)
They look rather Gripen-ish, don't they?
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Very nice idea Moritz. Looks like a simple enough modification to make it so.
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Jaguar with canards!
The canards are cut-up horizontal tailplanes on both.
The main wing on the upper one is a Jaguar wing with an increased chord. The main wing on the lower one has a higher sweep angle on the leading edge. Both main wings should easily accept wingtip rails.
([url]http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/Jaguar-canard_zps4dc4ca10.png[/url])
They look rather Gripen-ish, don't they?
Could actually see that being built as a technology demonstrator
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A friend of mine was in Jaguars with the French Air Force in the mid 1980s. And he's a modeler. I know he wanted a better terrain following radar than what was availed them. The British radar was better in that regard. Maybe a Jaguar A should be so outfitted and stationed at Abeche, 1986.
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Perhaps the Belgians, Greeks, or Finns need Jags at one point or another.
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A friend of mine was in Jaguars with the French Air Force in the mid 1980s. And he's a modeler. I know he wanted a better terrain following radar than what was availed them. The British radar was better in that regard. Maybe a Jaguar A should be so outfitted and stationed at Abeche, 1986.
No Jaguar ever had a terrain following radar. The difference between the French and British Jags was that the French ones had a simple, basic nav/attack system with radar ranging, while the RAF ones had a sophisticated intertial nav/attack set and a laser rangefinder/marked target seeker. Essentially, the AdA wanted a cheap fighter-bomber while the RAF wanted as much of a mini-TSR.2 as they could get. There just wasn't room for late-1960s TFR in it though.
What would have been possible was a mid-'80s upgrade using the small radar nose with 1980s standard TFR fitted instead of Agave, and the LRMTS moved to a chin fairing. However there's more to terrain following than just the radar: without all the black boxes to let the autopilot fly the aircraft on the basis of the TFR's inputs, it would just be terrain avoidance radar, rather than true TFR.
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Perhaps the Belgians, Greeks, or Finns need Jags at one point or another.
I like your thinking.
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A friend of mine was in Jaguars with the French Air Force in the mid 1980s. And he's a modeler. I know he wanted a better terrain following radar than what was availed them. The British radar was better in that regard. Maybe a Jaguar A should be so outfitted and stationed at Abeche, 1986.
No Jaguar ever had a terrain following radar. The difference between the French and British Jags was that the French ones had a simple, basic nav/attack system with radar ranging, while the RAF ones had a sophisticated intertial nav/attack set and a laser rangefinder/marked target seeker. Essentially, the AdA wanted a cheap fighter-bomber while the RAF wanted as much of a mini-TSR.2 as they could get. There just wasn't room for late-1960s TFR in it though.
What would have been possible was a mid-'80s upgrade using the small radar nose with 1980s standard TFR fitted instead of Agave, and the LRMTS moved to a chin fairing. However there's more to terrain following than just the radar: without all the black boxes to let the autopilot fly the aircraft on the basis of the TFR's inputs, it would just be terrain avoidance radar, rather than true TFR.
Radar nose contours with a smaller radome for the TFR radar and room for the necessary black boxes to interface with the autopilot. Alternatively, the full radar nose and the reduced-size antenna AN/APG-65 from the AV-8B+? Definitely add the LRMTS, or something more capable in either a chin fairing or a fairing for the FLIR like that fitted to the AV-8B+.
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Yes..i think you're right. What he was noting was that past a certain degree of bank, they would lose their indication how high off the ground they were. Whatever system the RAF was better. It's been 15-20 years since that discussion so I'm at best foggy.
So if Canada were to have gotten the Jaguar, would it have been the A model in the east and the GR in the West? ;D
As to the RAF hunger for a mini-TSR, I had no idea being generally oblivious to the type.
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I could see Canada buying the GR and then the Agave version for coastal defence. I could also see an Agave-, or Blue Vixen-,fitted Jaguar-M with improved engines for carrier operations.
Odd weapons-change thought, replace the two DEFA or ADEN cannon with a Vulcan installation like that in the Mitsubishi F-1/T-2.
Also thought for an interesting combining, T-2CCV with Jaguar-Active, either as a R&D aircraft or as the basis for a really nasty single-seater to tangle with.
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Some random thoughts:
Singaporean Jag
Taiwanese Jag
Indonesian Jag
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An old old copy of flight magazine I read in the uni library years ago mentioned the Australia was looking to order 100 Jags as advanced trainers and light attack aircraft.
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The proposal for a 1/48 Canadian Jaguar:
1/48 Jaguar A, resin copy of the Heller Super Etendard nose cone, Sea Eagle from the Airfix Buccaneer mounted on the centerline,& the largest underwing drop tanks available. ECM and self defense thoughts to follow.
Top colors of British Slate Grey, Extra Dark Sea Grey with a random squiggle of light sea grey here and there, undersides of Light Sea Grey. Low-viz markings. Circa 1980's. Later years could be the same colors only with a digital pattern. Based on the West Coast.
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Jaguar with canards!
The canards are cut-up horizontal tailplanes on both.
The main wing on the upper one is a Jaguar wing with an increased chord. The main wing on the lower one has a higher sweep angle on the leading edge. Both main wings should easily accept wingtip rails.
([url]http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/Jaguar-canard_zps4dc4ca10.png[/url])
They look rather Gripen-ish, don't they?
Love this! But why not an upper view ???
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Glad y'all like them. :) Why not an upper view? Honestly? I got no clue! ;D Don't remember why I didn't choose an upper view in this case. The first one, with the increased chord main wing, was just some doodling to see whether it would work. That one then evolved into the second one with the higher sweep angle.
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It'll be a while before purchased, but it's good to see a two seater in 1/48 coming to market.
Mini-TSR anyone?
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Got this from the Aeroplanes Icons Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/Aeroplaneicons).
Any suggests on where the landing could be sourced from without having to built it from scratch?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3Iu7jnCIAEuwRK.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3It8w6CEAADWKb.jpg:large)
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And this:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3IwiVoCUAAE6GU.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3IteKaCYAEGQGj.jpg:large)
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Any suggests on where the landing could be sourced from without having to built it from scratch?
Not sure what you mean? ???
Great photos BTW. :)
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Any suggests on where the landing could be sourced from without having to built it from scratch?
Not sure what you mean? ???
Great photos BTW. :)
Being the lazy guy that I am, which existing kits could I snarf the LG from? Would a F-4K nose gear work? Main gear is single larger wheel, straight OLEO design.
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Got this from the Aeroplanes Icons Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/Aeroplaneicons).
Any suggests on where the landing could be sourced from without having to built it from scratch?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3Iu7jnCIAEuwRK.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3It8w6CEAADWKb.jpg:large)
F-4K nose gear (use the old Revell or Frog/Hasegawa kits in 1/72, the leftover "Spey" nozzles can be combined with 1/100 F100 nozzles (from 1/100 F-15) to make reasonable PW1120) nozzles for re-engine Phantoms or whatever) and main gear from the Mitsubishi T-2/F-1 would work, I believe.
Does anyone make the radar nose, used be at least some Indian Jaguars, in 1/48 or 1/72? I'm especially interested in 1/48 since I have a couple of the old Heller 150 Jaguar-M kits.
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Just to tease (or inspire) Evan:
(http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/410-1/20051106-Jag08.jpg)
(http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/416-1/20051106-Jag11.jpg)
(http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/408-1/20051106-Jag06.jpg)
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BTW "The Modelworks" did do the Agave radar conversion in both 1/72 and 1/48:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/tmw4801_zps7f20b30b.jpg)
There is also a conversion kit with the Sea Eagle:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/JagIMset_zps0b4167f6.jpg)
See here (https://sites.google.com/site/tmwresin/1-72-scale-accessories/1-48-scale-accessories)
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how about a single (spey?) engined version? i imagine itd look like a fixed wing mig23
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Got this from the Aeroplanes Icons Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/Aeroplaneicons).
Any suggests on where the landing could be sourced from without having to built it from scratch?
F-4K nose gear (use the old Revell or Frog/Hasegawa kits in 1/72, the leftover "Spey" nozzles can be combined with 1/100 F100 nozzles (from 1/100 F-15) to make reasonable PW1120) nozzles for re-engine Phantoms or whatever) and main gear from the Mitsubishi T-2/F-1 would work, I believe.
Does anyone make the radar nose, used be at least some Indian Jaguars, in 1/48 or 1/72? I'm especially interested in 1/48 since I have a couple of the old Heller 150 Jaguar-M kits.
Thank you for the advice Evan. Now off to find a nice cheap F-4K.
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BTW "The Modelworks" did do the Agave radar conversion in both 1/72 and 1/48:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/tmw4801_zps7f20b30b.jpg[/url])
There is also a conversion kit with the Sea Eagle:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/JagIMset_zps0b4167f6.jpg[/url])
See here ([url]https://sites.google.com/site/tmwresin/1-72-scale-accessories/1-48-scale-accessories[/url])
However, only the 1/48 conversion is currently available. Something to put high on my "Want List" since I've got two 1/50 Jaguar-M kits to use such on, or to lend further parts to convert an Airfix/Heller 1/48 Jaguar into an evolved Jaguar-M.
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I used a Jaguar fuselage, the Agave radar nose and Mitsibishi T-2 wings and undercarriage for my Jaguar MO5, Royal Australian Navy, 1983 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2381.msg33759#msg33759)
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3578/1001923l.jpg)
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how about a single (spey?) engined version? i imagine itd look like a fixed wing mig23
I was actually wondering about making the Jaguar a VG type. MiG-23 wings would fit her about right, I'd think.
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Random idea: USAF/USN/NASA Jaguars (mainly dual seaters) as early replacements for the T-38. Also operate in aggressor role. Maybe even use single seaters in light attack role instead of A-7?
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Random idea: USAF/USN/NASA Jaguars (mainly dual seaters) as early replacements for the T-38. Also operate in aggressor role. Maybe even use single seaters in light attack role instead of A-7?
Tease.
Or lets say the Jaguar M goes ahead and is adopted by the USN as an advanced trainer then also by the USMC as a replacement for (or instead of) the A-4M.
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BTW "The Modelworks" did do the Agave radar conversion in both 1/72 and 1/48:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/tmw4801_zps7f20b30b.jpg[/url])
There is also a conversion kit with the Sea Eagle:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/JagIMset_zps0b4167f6.jpg[/url])
See here ([url]https://sites.google.com/site/tmwresin/1-72-scale-accessories/1-48-scale-accessories[/url])
Anyone able to contact these folk? The contact email on their website doesn't work for me and I definitely want a number of those noses.
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Which scale were you after?
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Which scale were you after?
Both, but I'm especially after the 1/48 set, at least three or four of them (one will definitely be applied as an upgrade for testing on Jaguar M-05).
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I can probably help you with the 1/48 one. I have a copy in storage and could make some additional castings from it. You will just have to wait at least 12mths due to the stuff being in storage whilst we build a new house.
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I can probably help you with the 1/48 one. I have a copy in storage and could make some additional castings from it. You will just have to wait at least 12mths due to the stuff being in storage whilst we build a new house.
Given the schedule at work, that's not likely to be a problem (dear ghod, they throw one more redesign at me and I'm going to be sorely tempted to "physically chastise" some stress engineers, I'm trying to get this design package finished and they keep throwing changes at me!). The next 12 months promise to be "sporting", at the very least. OTOH, if I can get a SLI model in 1/72 of our new installation, it will be fairly easy to install on Hasegawa's 1/72 V-22.
I'll gladly pay for the copies. I really need to learn that as I've got some things I want to copy (including reasonable approximations of PW1120 nozzles).
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Try email: sales@themodelworksltd.co.uk and tmwresinuk@googlemail.com
The agave noses are really good and I've used a few myself.
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How about a Marineflieger Jaguar with radar and Kormorans? It'd look tasty in the grey over white scheme.
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How about a Marineflieger Jaguar with radar and Kormorans? It'd look tasty in the grey over white scheme.
Mmmmmmm...I like!
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That would look sharp!
Two seater version perchance?
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Anyone know of a source for a single Agave nose in 1/72? After work I'll try the email addresses BlackJets posted :)
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How about a Marineflieger Jaguar with radar and Kormorans? It'd look tasty in the grey over white scheme.
And Eduard now do 1/48 Kormorans. Too bad the neo-ex Mrs has my entire model collection.
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No luck with the emails, but I've improvised >:D
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Two seater.
Swedish Splinter.
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Some kits are bigger than others...
(http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/jaguar/survivors/xz360-bentwaters-070716.jpg)
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Two seater.
Swedish Splinter.
sadist!
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https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpa1/v/t42.1790-2/755270_10151579544936236_107563171_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjY1OCwicmxhIjo1MTIsInZlbmNvZGVfdGFnIjoibGVnYWN5X3NkIn0%3D&rl=658&vabr=366&oh=5a7c7635f57ec9eb5b196b7e6902403e&oe=566242FD&__gda__=1449280162_1bb57417041543a7677d3ed3b8ca5e83
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Some kits are bigger than others...
([url]http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/jaguar/survivors/xz360-bentwaters-070716.jpg[/url])
Is this the British version of the boneyard?
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From the LHS, 1/72 Italeri Jaguar A. Will be painted in a non-Jaguar operator colours.
AMI, USMC, private aggressor force?
I know I will be burned at the stake as a heretic for this heresy but what-if the A-10 did not exist or not in the numbers required so the USAF went to an off-the-shelf A/C? Yes, the Jaguar is not a "Tank Plinker" but I think it has some unique real world capabilities (and some future upgrades from my imagination) which will make it a "hold-its-own" CAS asset.
Yes, I know Red Storm Rising and other novels will suffer from the lack of a "Devil's Cross".
Beside I think it would look cool in the current A-10 two-tone grey finish.
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Single Oerlikon KCA (same 30x173mm as the Avenger) instead of ADENs, scabbed under the fuselage?
Cool starting this soon? I hope so, because then I could have a prototype for my, now, FMS Jaguar.
It is a great idea actually as the USAF planned to replace the A-10 with the A-16A / F/A-16 but also looked at the A-7F/A-7D plus and the A-10 was itself a replacement for the A-7D.
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For the first model I will remove the ADENs and replace them with two SUU-23/As pods. Each SUU-23/A has 1,200 rounds vs the ADEN 150. Plus I have lots of them in my Hasegawa Weapons kits. :) But I will look into larger caliber options.
Add a 3rd pylon to the wing. Rickshaw did this with his Jaguar MO5, Royal Australian Navy, 1983 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2381.0)
I have the kits. I have the paint. I just ordered some decals from Twobobs.
MODS: can you move the last few messages over to the SEPECAT Jaguar What-if and Inspirations (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=873.0) topic?
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(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/JaguarBigWing.jpg)
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For the first model I will remove the ADENs and replace them with two SUU-23/As pods. Each SUU-23/A has 1,200 rounds vs the ADEN 150. Plus I have lots of them in my Hasegawa Weapons kits. :) But I will look into larger caliber options.
Add a 3rd pylon to the wing. Rickshaw did this with his Jaguar MO5, Royal Australian Navy, 1983 ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2381.0[/url])
Actually, what I did was use a Mitsubishi T2 wing, which is larger than a standard Jaguar wing.
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For the first model I will remove the ADENs and replace them with two SUU-23/As pods. Each SUU-23/A has 1,200 rounds vs the ADEN 150. Plus I have lots of them in my Hasegawa Weapons kits. :) But I will look into larger caliber options.
Add a 3rd pylon to the wing. Rickshaw did this with his Jaguar MO5, Royal Australian Navy, 1983 ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2381.0[/url])
Actually, what I did was use a Mitsubishi T2 wing, which is larger than a standard Jaguar wing.
Thanks. I like the F-1 and T-2 kits. Good source of parts for other builds.
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A large winged Jaguar. I never knew.
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I wonder how it would have affected its low level ride?
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I found this on Wikipedia. Some ideas for the Collective (I've already pinched one of these prospective nations for a build I hope to start this weekend):
"Early in development, it was decided that the Jaguar should be offered for export. In 1969, while still in the prototype stage of development, formal approaches had been made to Switzerland, India, Japan, Australia, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Germany, promoting the aircraft for sale. Japan began negotiations towards licensed production of the Jaguar, but these plans failed in part because of the high royalty payments sought by SEPECAT. A proposal for Turkey to construct Jaguars under licence for their own air force also did not come to fruition. Attempts to export to Kuwait and Pakistan did not transfer into orders. Kuwait initially ordered 50 Jaguars and 16 Mirage 5s, but instead firmed up for F1s. Pakistan approached SEPECAT after the US refused to sell their aircraft of choice, the LTV A-7 Corsair II, due to an arms embargo; Pakistan eventually opted for Mirage 5s."
Apparently there was a single-engined, delta wing proposal. I'd love to see it. The BAC P.71 (http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/sreply/139068/Thrust-vectoring-and-carrier-landings) looks pretty neat too, if a slightly more involved kitbash prospect:
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/WesSafari/BACP71.jpg)
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Very interesting, I was actually thinking about suggesting a single engined Jaguar equivalent to the F-20 last night as a logical export partner for the Tornado and possibly the BAE EAP, which I recall reading that some of the test pilots recommended should have been put into production, minimum change, in the 90s instead of waiting for the Typhoon.
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I have a couple of GR.1's I'll be doing as Australian Army Aviation CAS with wrap-around camo but no real mod's - well, maybe some minor ones for upgraded weapons systems. :))
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I have a couple of GR.1's I'll be doing as Australian Army Aviation CAS with wrap-around camo but no real mod's - well, maybe some minor ones for upgraded weapons systems. :))
Just a thought, perhaps, in a fit of sanity, the Australian government decides to expand their local alliances and buys Mitsubishi F-1's instead of Jaguars? If nothing else, support would be a bit easier with the manufacturer much closer.
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I have a couple of GR.1's I'll be doing as Australian Army Aviation CAS with wrap-around camo but no real mod's - well, maybe some minor ones for upgraded weapons systems. :))
Just a thought, perhaps, in a fit of sanity, the Australian government decides to expand their local alliances and buys Mitsubishi F-1's instead of Jaguars? If nothing else, support would be a bit easier with the manufacturer much closer.
You would need a large epidemic which wiped out the upper-echelons of the RSL (Returned Servicemen's League - the only veterans organisation downunder) before that could happen. In the 1980s, the Australian Army held a competition for a series of soft-skin vehicles. The winner was the Toyota Landcruiser. The RSL, many of its older members were veterans of WWII and were ex-PoW(J). They still hated the Japanese viscerally, protested to the Government and the Government instructed that Landrovers, the second-place winners were to get the Guernsey. The excuse used was that the "Landcruiser could not be fitted with a MG mount..." Yet, this was despite the Landrover rarely, if ever, being fitted with a MG mount... In reality, the Landcruiser could be fitted with an MG mount - if they had bothered to design one for it. I can still remember friends relatives who refused to purchase anything made in Japan.
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Other issues besides are Japans ban/reluctance to export military equipment and the fact that at the time this project would have existed the exchange rate of the Aussie dollar to the Yen alone would have killed it.
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(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Jaguar-X.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Jaguar-X.jpg.html)
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Beautiful! :-*
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From which aircraft did get the canopy from?
It looks great BTW.
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^^^^^
Mirsubishi F2
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OK I have a question - In the late '60s Iraq assessed both the Mirage 5 and the Jaguar A, but finally got the Mirage F1.
If the opted for the Jag would it have been the simpler French A, or the Jag International. I am aware the French pushed the Mirage family rather than the Jaguar.
Any opinions please??
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OK I have a question - In the late '60s Iraq assessed both the Mirage 5 and the Jaguar A, but finally got the Mirage F1.
If the opted for the Jag would it have been the simpler French A, or the Jag International. I am aware the French pushed the Mirage family rather than the Jaguar.
Any opinions please??
Just a guess but I'd say Jaguar International rather than Jaguar A. I doubt that SEPECAT had enough political sway in France to deter officialdom from backing the Dassault bid.
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If I remember correctly, all export Jaguar were Jaguar International because Dassault has no interested in this aircraft (heritage from Breguet Aviation absorption, they prefer to sell the Mirage F-1) so they let the exclusive license to BAe to export aircraft.
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I agree that they would have been derived from the Jaguar International. It would be interesting to see if they might have been similar to the Indian Air Force Jaguar IMs with Agave radar (see below):
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(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/609/pics/72_4.jpg)
Of course, this then leads to a further whiff of an Iranian Jaguar in this sort of scheme:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/F5031192-101D-4C25-9862-963524637477_zpsxpmtkd5b.jpeg)
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Here is a Falklands era RN Sea Jaguar FRS.1 I built many moons ago...
(https://imageshack.com/a/img921/7687/PuVXBE.jpg)
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Nice. I have something similar planned but in 2 seat form.
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Thanks for the input. I had not realised the Jag Inter was for all the exports, although I knew the French had no interest in exporting it in competition with the Mirages. I have a Sue fuselage stashed for donation of the radar nose for a Jag so I suspect it will be an anti-ship plane like the IAF's planes. Thanks again.
;)
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This is very interesting. I have a Jaguar in need of a rebuild and a Mitsubishi F-1 unfinished that needs inspiration.
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(https://combatace.com/uploads/gallery/album_683/gallery_59028_683_268124.jpg)
(https://combatace.com/uploads/gallery/album_683/gallery_59028_683_70235.jpg)
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Found these in my Facebook feed.
(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/120672328_3136033853186291_6919621811190640091_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_ohc=In2TBqd-ahcAX_nLTTd&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=c18f78fa2e3b85d87759ef62b2dbbf1a&oe=5F9D3410)
(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/120553070_3136033986519611_350471518716420652_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_ohc=sMmkQsV3CXwAX_LDO2I&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=526597e58bf984f9df9596e12a2f7599&oe=5F9DFDA6)
(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/120631345_3136039263185750_3037388330229448199_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=07e735&_nc_ohc=5siGRfqwgaYAX_bjOS7&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=8e69f4fb68cc3c0cc5ff94868a2afd63&oe=5F9E2A73)
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(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202010/RNJAGUARFRS408_zps9847efdf.jpg&key=6695988322aed8daf6627a541b85fd00963537f1b4531352ed20154ba3945961)
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Jaguar equipped with a single Spey, along with its RW (2 Adour) counterpart
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Jaguar_singleSpey(1).jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/ysi_maniac/a/caec78e4-057f-4fe9-82f4-083a43455765/p/586aefef-10b4-4256-b61b-00ad2abc1881)
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@Carlos.
You might need to enlarge the air intakes on that Spey powered Jaguar to accommodate the increased airflow needed to feed the Spey.
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@Carlos.
You might need to enlarge the air intakes on that Spey powered Jaguar to accommodate the increased airflow needed to feed the Spey.
It is, remember, only a single Spey. Sure twin Adour intakes would be sufficient for that?
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Agreed.
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(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202013/USAFA-11CJAGUAR04_zpsfdc02173.jpg&key=c6e712e67834aa5ffbbbf6d9ae444717df08b0feb78ae5f127869a0a093ca677)
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202013/USAFA-11CJAGUAR03_zps269c1766.jpg&key=b3585d3156751c02948962bfecc45a5fd72a9ef284e992b2d744ee9fcd266113)
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(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202010/WHAT%2520IF%25202011/ESTONIAJAGUAR01_zpsde42cf40.jpg&key=e259817f5353b6b72cb771e6ee9281425600e7d036df9d60c85f129509899f4c)
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202010/WHAT%2520IF%25202011/ESTONIAJAGUAR02_zpsf65bc9fc.jpg&key=96b144fd39886a8be5dba019ea2850262ceb710e704a98b8a0875254570b9f76)
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202010/WHAT%2520IF%25202011/ESTONIAJAGUAR04_zps4f06df40.jpg&key=fa02e2428ea422420cb3070d79a67085cb02cf819bf5d709fb86a653e92c4a9f)
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202010/WHAT%2520IF%25202011/ESTONIAJAGUAR03_zpsa3fdb3ed.jpg&key=99aee5e71d9e815a39b72a6887dad16003f0ff6252ad61c96c266fb126c4abc5)
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(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202010/WHAT%2520IF%25202011/BAFJAGUAR02.jpg&key=cdc2a7afaa5c4378433834053e4913ed86469c25f5dfca0de97e990d8a3901eb)
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How about a West German Luftwaffe Jag?
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why are there not more aircraft with overwing launch points?
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Looks like a PITA to load the missile. I was never a BB stacker so I couldn’t say.
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US Army Jaguar.
McDD licence produced from the late 70s, early 80s, for US army service replacing the original G91/A4/F-5 adopted in the early 60s.
Enhanced versions developed in the 80s and 90s.
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Frankenstein project with Jaguar, Buccaneer and Harrier
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBucHarrier1.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBucHarrier1.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
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Buccaneer plus Jaguar
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBuccaneer1_2W1LECwKjBUFg2FuJt57Jh.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBuccaneer1_2W1LECwKjBUFg2FuJt57Jh.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
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Operational single seater combining the best of Jaguar ACT and Mitsubishi T-2CCV aspects.
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(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JaguarHog.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JaguarHog.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
I am not sure about name: WartJaguar or JaguarHog. Can you help me?
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Frankenstein project with Jaguar, Buccaneer and Harrier
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBucHarrier1.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/JagBucHarrier1.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
There’s always that fugly Harrier laser nose! The Jaguar laser nose is much better. That’s what I should have used on my straight wing Hunter/Havoc.