Author Topic: Douglas DC-2, DC-3 and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration (Read 43958 times)

elmayerle · « **Reply #100 on:** October 10, 2019, 02:42:29 AM »

Reminds me of another interesting possibility, what if the Soviet Union purchased the plans Fokker had for a DC-3 based bomber and applied them to a purpose-built bomber version o the Li-2/PS-84?

elmayerle · « **Reply #101 on:** May 18, 2020, 09:30:03 AM »

Basler conversion applied to a Super DC-3?

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #102 on:** May 18, 2020, 07:23:42 PM »

Quote from: elmayerle on May 18, 2020, 09:30:03 AM

Basler conversion applied to a Super DC-3?

About 10-15 minutes of Google time seems to indicate no C-117s have been converted.

Did find this list of Basler conversions: https://www.airport-data.com/manuf/Basler.html

Some data is missing but overall it appears they have only used DC-3/C-47/C-53 airframes.

ysi_maniac · « **Reply #103 on:** May 19, 2020, 12:03:59 AM »

Quote from: GTX_Admin on June 13, 2019, 02:25:12 AM

Reminds me a bit of the Tamco Turbo Commuter mentioned earlier:

Love this concept!!!

elmayerle · « **Reply #104 on:** May 22, 2020, 11:15:26 AM »

Doing a bit of research and it appears there were not many mods attempted with the Super DC-3. Jack Conroy put Darts on one and one was converted to the experimental XC-129 and that seems to be that. Still, I see no reason why a whiffed Basler-converted Super DC-3 couldn't be modeled.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #105 on:** May 22, 2020, 09:39:07 PM »

Good idea.

To best of my knowledge Evan, the only 1/72 Super DC-3 / C-119 /R4D-8 conversion is the vacuform from AirModel:

https://www.airmodel.de/?cat=c17_Flugzeuge-USA-Flugzeuge-USA.html

elmayerle · « **Reply #106 on:** May 23, 2020, 12:29:28 PM »

Now does anyone do a 1/72 Basler conversion that can be combined with it?

Rickshaw · « **Reply #107 on:** May 23, 2020, 01:03:15 PM »

Quote from: elmayerle on May 23, 2020, 12:29:28 PM

Now does anyone do a 1/72 Basler conversion that can be combined with it?

Alley Cat does.

Modelwolf does as well.

finsrin · « **Reply #108 on:** May 23, 2020, 01:37:36 PM »

Basler BT-67 is another tempting build.

elmayerle · « **Reply #109 on:** July 02, 2020, 06:10:11 AM »

Quote from: apophenia on March 12, 2012, 11:37:17 AM

Quote from: GTX_Admin on March 12, 2012, 02:40:27 AM
A DC-3 so-equipped would end up a bit like a Vickers Valetta:

My take on a Hercules Dakota (based on a photo by Phil Vabre). Might need a little more fin/rudder?

Use Super DC-3 tail surfaces?

elmayerle · « **Reply #110 on:** July 02, 2020, 06:14:06 AM »

Quote from: The Big Gimper on May 22, 2020, 09:39:07 PM

Good idea.

To best of my knowledge Evan, the only 1/72 Super DC-3 / C-119 /R4D-8 conversion is the vacuform from AirModel:

https://www.airmodel.de/?cat=c17_Flugzeuge-USA-Flugzeuge-USA.html

I did some digging in the specifications, apparently the stretch on the Basler conversion is a tad longer than the stretch that went into the Super DC-3. Real tempting to combine a Bazsler conversion kit, a stock DC-3/C-47 kit, and the Airmodel conversion. Alternatively, the AIM "Turbo-Dak" conversion in place of the Basler conversion for an earlier approach to the concept.

elmayerle · « **Reply #111 on:** July 02, 2020, 06:29:21 AM »

Another interesting bit I picked up in reading, we are all likely familiar with the various "Pinnocchio" C-47s modified as radar trainers for the F-104 (I know Canada, Belgium, Germany, and Italy made them) but they are not the first radar-trainer conversions, but the AMI and the RAAF converted C-47's to radar trainers for their first generation jet night fighters (Vampire or Venom). Be interesting to see a whiffy conversion to a radar trainer for the F-86K.

Old Wombat · « **Reply #112 on:** July 02, 2020, 09:54:54 AM »

Used to have a Venom-nosed Dak (C-47) at the RAN FAA Museum at Nowra back when I worked there (early 1984).

According to Wikipedia it's still there:

Quote from: wikioedia

ex-Royal Australian Navy (RAN) Fleet Air Arm N2-43 – C-47A modified with extended nose to house a radar system from a de Havilland Sea Venom; on static display in the Fleet Air Arm Museum at naval air station HMAS Albatross near Nowra, New South Wales.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surviving_Douglas_C-47_Skytrains

This be her;

elmayerle · « **Reply #113 on:** July 02, 2020, 10:14:44 PM »

Sources I've read say that the RAN got four C-47s that the converted to Venom radar trainers. I have also seen a picture of at least one C-47 converted by the AMI into a radar trainer for Vampire NF radar operators.

Oh, found something interesting. Basler stretches the forward fuselage 40 inches as part of the conversion; the Super DC-3 stretched the forward fuselage 39 inches. This could make modelling a whiffy Basler conversion of a Super DC-3/C-117D a bit more practical. For bush flying, perhaps go with the dual wheel main gear installation from the YC-129 to lower ground pressure footprint.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #114 on:** July 03, 2020, 02:52:08 AM »

Quote from: elmayerle on July 02, 2020, 10:14:44 PM

Sources I've read say that the RAN got four C-47s that the converted to Venom radar trainers.

According to ADF-Serials there was only one converted RAN DC-3: N2-43. It did however serve with 851 sqn, 723, 724 and 725 Sqn's as 'NW-900', 'NW-860', 'NW-800'. It was fitted out as a Flying Classroom at one time to train Sea Venom and Gannet Observers with Sea Venom radar in the nose and Gannet radar in the rear of the aircraft protruding underneath. Its currently at the Australian Fleet Air Arm Museum at HMAS Albatross.

apophenia · « **Reply #115 on:** September 06, 2020, 10:25:10 AM »

Not sure if this is the right spot to post it but here is a 1/8th scale C-47 (FAC 1123, Satena) by Andrés Acuña from Cali, Colombia.

It was this modeller's use of aluminum tape applied over balsa skinning that intrigued me. It this a common technique amongst scratch-builders?

https://www.largescaleplanes.com/articles/article.php?aid=3333

He also built a 1/8th FAC T-6F Texan for the same museum - the Fénix Air Museum.
-- http://www.museoaereofenix.org/

kim margosein · « **Reply #116 on:** September 08, 2020, 10:22:59 AM »

There is a product called muffler tape. It is slightly thicker than Bare Metal foil, and is also self=adhesive.

apophenia · « **Reply #117 on:** September 09, 2020, 03:08:41 AM »

Yep. There's also aluminum foil tape for HVAC duct repairs. It usually comes in 2-inches wide rolls. Not all types are ideal for modelling - some tapes have epoxy resin coatings (which are less shiny) and others have waffle finished.

perttime · « **Reply #118 on:** September 09, 2020, 12:19:53 PM »

Quote from: apophenia on September 06, 2020, 10:25:10 AM

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It was this modeller's use of aluminum tape applied over balsa skinning that intrigued me. It this a common technique amongst scratch-builders?
...

Some do use aluminium tape when recreating aluminium surfaces on flying scale models. Here's one example, with some how-to discussion too.

https://www.modelflying.co.uk/forums/postings.asp?th=56199&p=6

apophenia · « **Reply #119 on:** September 10, 2020, 09:04:01 AM »

Thanks ... and resulting in a really nice effect on that Blackburn

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #120 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:14:29 AM »

Some useful images:

CFBV

kitnut617 · « **Reply #121 on:** March 04, 2022, 02:42:54 AM »

They might be if I could see them

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #122 on:** March 04, 2022, 03:04:23 AM »

Quote from: kitnut617 on March 04, 2022, 02:42:54 AM

They might be if I could see them

Same issue for me but the image will display if I use my option to open the image in a new tab.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #123 on:** March 05, 2022, 12:30:11 AM »

Try now

kitnut617 · « **Reply #124 on:** March 05, 2022, 01:56:08 AM »

Yep! see it now Greg.

I've built an XC-47C and I've got plans to build an RCAF 'Pinocchio' version ---


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Author Topic: Douglas DC-2, DC-3 and derivatives Ideas and Inspiration (Read 43958 times)