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Modelling => Completed GBs => Group and Themed Builds => Treadhead/Armour GB => Topic started by: taiidantomcat on October 02, 2016, 12:53:17 AM

Title: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 02, 2016, 12:53:17 AM
Delving into the profile business, warning: Rough Rough profiles I'm new to this, and not everything will be to scale!! I simply shrank things to fit. Maybe someone will be encouraged and do some test fitting with kits?  :)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7469/29751976510_b5177991a4_b.jpg)

I love the sharp mantlet of the STZ T-34, so this is the T-34/85 version. I like it. I kinda prefer the small turret versions of the T-34 myself so this is a fun middle ground

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8403/30012060346_087bab05ec_b.jpg)

Very rudimentary APC/IFV based on the BMP. I used a PanZer 4 turret with a short barrel as I think this is the closest german tank turret to the BMP 1. (Might go with a long barrel Panzer 4 to replicate the BMP-2) And then I just cut and pasted to fit the late war style wheels from a King Tiger. I deleted the infantry weapons ports to just make it look more simple and disguise (a little) the origin of the Hull

Hopefully I have time to do more  :) I have PMed Logan a few times this summer and he has a great mind for stuff like this, hope to profile of some of our Ideas, even If I can't get them to plastic (yet)



Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on October 02, 2016, 04:04:57 AM
Panzer IV turret on a BMP hull is brilliant!

If you want something with a longer barrel, I would imagine the 50mm gun from the SDKFZ series Puma would be a better choice.  The recoil and blast effects of the 75mm KwK out of the muzzle end of the barrel might be a bit much for your BMP.
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 03, 2016, 02:02:19 AM
Panzer IV turret on a BMP hull is brilliant!

If you want something with a longer barrel, I would imagine the 50mm gun from the SDKFZ series Puma would be a better choice.  The recoil and blast effects of the 75mm KwK out of the muzzle end of the barrel might be a bit much for your BMP.

Thanks! And thats a good point about the cannon size!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8567/30036244046_0cbac7134c_b.jpg)

Just tinkering, though this is one I want to do in plastic, (remember this is not to scale) But I think it would work well. T-34 Running gear, and turret to back date.
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 06, 2016, 09:54:40 AM
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8403/29514520584_1bc5933d01_b.jpg)

Early T-54 with a T-62 turret. Kind of a Backdated version I suppose. Might remove the Night spotlights to further bring it back in time. Love the look of the T-62 turret. Just this solid dome...
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 07, 2016, 03:56:48 AM
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8133/30073125871_fa23503e8e_b.jpg)

Abrams turret shrunk, placed forward for T-34/42 look

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8696/30073125981_bc5291a749_b.jpg)

More conventional T-54 placement

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5297/30157765885_b47c3eed72_b.jpg)

Your standard Lamborghini Sa-9...
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: finsrin on October 07, 2016, 04:33:58 AM
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8133/30073125871_fa23503e8e_b.jpg)

Abrams turret shrunk, placed forward for T-34/42 look

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8696/30073125981_bc5291a749_b.jpg)

More conventional T-54 placement

Do it with 1/35 hull and 1/48 turret ?
Don't have the kits to check this out.
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 07, 2016, 04:43:08 AM
Maybe try similar with Panther with Abrams turret
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 07, 2016, 05:03:39 AM
Maybe try similar with Panther with Abrams turret

Tried that a few times in plastic and with a paper 1/48 scale turret. Was tinkering with it again in profiling this very afternoon. Really hard to make it look right. Panthers are tall hulls. Abrams turret is very thin and narrow. I might trying and change the Abrams turret proportions to make it work, but so far... just doesn't fit IMHO
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on October 07, 2016, 05:32:33 AM
Do it with 1/35 hull and 1/48 turret ?
Don't have the kits to check this out.

Neither do I. 1/48 Abrams kits seem rare and expensive, or are RC toys. Aoshima is supposed to do a good one, but it costs what a 1/35 one does!!  :-X I have a paper model Abrams turret I will have to check it with.

In progress Example for GTX:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5484/30124251826_75232fa7b9_b.jpg)

Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 07, 2016, 05:35:10 AM
What about going the other way:  A panther turret on an Abrams hull?
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: Old Wombat on October 07, 2016, 10:19:03 AM
Shouldn't that Lambo be an Aston Martin? Or is that the Italian 007(Bonedetti, Giamo Bonedetti)'s car? ??? ;)
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 08, 2016, 02:39:32 AM
Shouldn't that Lambo be an Aston Martin? Or is that the Italian 007(Bonedetti, Giamo Bonedetti)'s car? ??? ;)

Obviously a development of this:

https://youtu.be/E3ilA1szS7g

Also deals with those pesky Police helicopters.
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: Claymore on October 09, 2016, 02:42:28 AM
What about this design I did for an AH thread on a different site...

(http://i.imgur.com/LxJ2p8J.png)
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on November 16, 2016, 03:49:21 AM
What about this design I did for an AH thread on a different site...

([url]http://i.imgur.com/LxJ2p8J.png[/url])


nice look to it!  :)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5720/30918267201_b4fea00183_b.jpg)

I sheered off the top half of the hull here^

So I wanted to enter a physical model but I was having a hard time finding the mojo. I broke out all kinds of boxes of kits, including my giants spares box:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5725/30918245411_37d6872462_b.jpg)

and I found some of my Resin Castings had attached and reacted:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5542/30889843272_18f7ba9e95_b.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5693/25370402639_fe633b0166_b.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5706/30889837482_ca68822ce7_b.jpg)

yikes!! So I have packed everything back up and will probably just stick to the computer made stuff for this GB  :-[

Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: Old Wombat on November 16, 2016, 08:49:38 AM
Oops! :-\
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 17, 2016, 02:32:34 AM
Yikes!!
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on December 14, 2016, 04:09:24 AM
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/555/30784991454_ca6052f64e_o.jpg)

Last one. Sorry I couldn't find a larger AAV-7. This is Soviet "Tuna Boat." O0  As a small thank you to Lemon Jello for hosting this mad house   :)
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: LemonJello on December 14, 2016, 08:37:12 PM
Hey, that's pretty cool!
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on December 14, 2016, 10:59:21 PM
AAVs are hard to whif but I have a few ideas  8)
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: LemonJello on December 15, 2016, 04:34:05 AM
AAVs are hard to whif but I have a few ideas  8)

I know what you mean. I actually have 3 different kits of the ol'Tuna Boat in the stash. The Hobbyboss offering will get made as-is, a Tamiya kit that will get some kind of upgrades or a NLOS-type system in the troop area and a Modeller (??? Tamiya rip-off, motorized) boxing that I've scavenged the UGWS turret from for my riverine project that may get completely parted out for a potential EFV WhIf.

Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 15, 2016, 08:30:00 AM
Of your design studies, my personal fave is the conventionally-placed scale-o-rama Abrams turret on the T-54. But your BMP/T-34 mash-up has huge potential!

AAVs are hard to whif but I have a few ideas  8)


A few thoughts pop up on potential AAV whifs. One would be to second-guess the AAV-SU and come up with your own take on the Survivability Upgrade. Alternatively, come up with whif plans for the remaining 2/3rds of the 'stock' AAV fleet.

I had a go at a shortened AAV-7 (attached below) because ... ??

In the Profiles section, I also had a go in at using the AAV-7 track system for a distinct USMC IFV series.
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg118979#msg118979 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg118979#msg118979)
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: Old Wombat on December 15, 2016, 11:27:12 PM
So, that'd be the Tuna Dinghy, then. Yah? ???
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 16, 2016, 03:37:13 AM
AAVs are hard to whif but I have a few ideas  8)

Oh, I don't know.  Any sort of turret on rear deck - e.g. 155mm SPG.  Maybe a MLRS setup in rear compartment?  VLS missile system in same area?  Remove rear altogether and replace with flat deck for cargo?  Do brightly coloured civilian scheme?  Do martian version?
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 16, 2016, 12:39:15 PM
...Any sort of turret on rear deck - e.g. 155mm SPG...


Kind of like this one  ;)  http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg118985#msg118985 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg118985#msg118985)

And here's the AAV on wheels ... http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg119033#msg119033 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=351.msg119033#msg119033)
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: dy031101 on December 16, 2016, 04:00:02 PM
I came to a belated realization regarding the "Abrams Turret On Panther Hull" idea......

One of your photos shows a Tiger II kit box, and the Tiger II technically has a sufficient turret ring size for T-54/55 turret......

Is a Jaguar turret close enough in terms of aesthetics?

Granted, this suggestion is likely gonna be useful only to people who scratchbuild since I am not aware of any commercially-available kit for the Type 59 Jaguar......
Title: Re: TTomcat Target Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 17, 2016, 02:51:50 AM
since I am not aware of any commercially-available kit for the Type 59 Jaguar......


Not aware of anything currently available.  In fact, searching on "Type 59 Jaguar model kit" gives you something totally different (though quite pleasant):

(http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/car132/amt-type59bugatti.JPG)

That aside, one could possibly use a 1/35 MR Modellbau Israeli M60A3 Patton -SABRA- Conversion Kit to create something somewhat similar looking:

(http://www.mrmodellbau.com/_shop/images/product_images/popup_images/114_0.JPG)
(https://s1.scalemates.com/products/img/2/4/7/221247-14890-36-pristine.jpg)