Beyond The Sprues
Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Aero-space => Topic started by: Jeffry Fontaine on May 27, 2012, 03:42:06 AM
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With the recent release of the 1/200th scale XB-49 from Dragon Models we now have a reasonably sized Northrop flying wing that does not require as much space as the larger resin, injection molded plastic and vacuum formed kits in 1/144th and 1/72nd scale.
Some links that may help inspire your imagination
From Quad City Scale Modeler Society, Moline IL (http://www.qcsms.org/index.htm)
The Beginner's Guide to the B-49 - A Brief Operational History By Glen Broman (http://www.qcsms.org/reference/B-49-guide.htm)
ROCAF B-49s by Wei-Bin Chang (http://www.qcsms.org/reference/B-49-more.htm)
The Northrop PS-1, B-35 Maritime Patrol Variant by Joe Poutre (http://www.qcsms.org/reference/PS-1-B-35.htm)
From Sven Knudson's page - ninfinger.org (http://www.ninfinger.org/)
Flying Wing Alternate History (compiled from alt.rec.models.scale) (http://www.ninfinger.org/models/rms_tips/b49alt.hist.html)
From National Museum of the United States Air Force (http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/index.asp)
XB-35 (http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2583)
YB-35 (http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2594)
YB-49 (http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2670)
YRB-49A (http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2674)
B-2 Spirit (http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=82)
From Northrop-Grumman (http://www.northropgrumman.com/)
B-2 Spirit (http://www.as.northropgrumman.com/products/b2spirit/index.html)
From Scribd (http://www.scribd.com/)
Pilot's Handbook for the XB-35 Heavy Bombardment Airplane Serial Number AAF 42-13603 (Northrop Number 1484) (http://www.scribd.com/doc/50206334/1948-Report-No-HB-18-Pilot-s-Handook-for-the-XB-35-Heavy-Bombardment-Airplane#)
From Global Security (http://www.globalsecurity.org/)
Northrop XB-35 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-35.htm)
Northrop B-49 (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-49.htm)
Northrop B-2 Spirit (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-2.htm)
From Federation of American Scientists (http://www.fas.org/index.html)
Northrop B-35 (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-35.htm)
Northrop B-49 (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-49.htm)
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page)
Northrop N-1M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_N-1M)
Northrop N-9M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_N-9M)
Northrop YB-35 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-35)
Northrop YB-49 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-49)
Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit)
From Google (http://www.google.com/)
100-Ton Flying Wing, Popular Science Magazine, September 1941 (http://books.google.com/books?id=kiEDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA78&dq=popular+science+September+1941&hl=en&ei=8PqSTPfJF8aMnQeXkv2MCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=popular%20science%20September%201941&f=true)
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Well done! and the folks at Dragon also released a model in 1/200 concurrently of the U.K's flying wing (despite the small tail ) better known as the Avro Vulcan. Both kits are even sold prepainted.
This is a Wonderous thread start and photo ref's. , Jeffrey Kudo's :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :icon_beer:
Flying Wing thread, Flying Wing thread !!!! bouncing off the furniture, clapping my paws with glee.
Am glad you included Ninfingers' flying wing whiff thread, its required reading for any flying wing nut. I built, in paper, every one of those designs in that thread 10 years ago, even adding three more, such as a X-15 carrier in NASA colors and a RAAF AWCS version plus a civil airliner convert.
In looking at a picture of the parts trees, these new kits avoid the one problem that was in EVERY previous kit of the flying wing-every scale up until now (even the vacuforms) . In order to save on precious $#@!%$ box space, all of those other kits had the aircraft in three segments, a center section with engines and two outer wing panels. The fit and straightness issues made each model harder than it needed to be for assembly, adding metal rods to brace the internals and buttloads of PSR ugliness in the end.
The 1/200's have a upper half, and ...drum roll....A lower half! Just like logic was in charge! yay!
If you'll pardon my euphamism, these new kits can breathe fire on all the rest AFAIAC.
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Well done! and the folks at Dragon also released a model in 1/200 concurrently of the U.K's flying wing (despite the small tail ) better known as the Avro Vulcan. Both kits are even sold prepainted.
This is a Wonderous thread start and photo ref's. , Jeffrey Kudo's :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :icon_beer:
Flying Wing thread, Flying Wing thread !!!! bouncing off the furniture, clapping my paws with glee.
Am glad you included Ninfingers' flying wing whiff thread, its required reading for any flying wing nut. I built, in paper, every one of those designs in that thread 10 years ago, even adding three more, such as a X-15 carrier in NASA colors and a RAAF AWCS version plus a civil airliner convert.
In looking at a picture of the parts trees, these new kits avoid the one problem that was in EVERY previous kit of the flying wing-every scale up until now (even the vacuforms) . In order to save on precious $#@!%$ box space, all of those other kits had the aircraft in three segments, a center section with engines and two outer wing panels. The fit and straightness issues made each model harder than it needed to be for assembly, adding metal rods to brace the internals and buttloads of PSR ugliness in the end.
If you'll pardon my euphamism, these new kits can breathe fire on all the rest AFAIAC.
Russ,
Thanks for the BZ. I think I was channeling my inner intelligence analyst/librarian skills when I started the topic. Or maybe I was having flashbacks to college :o
My recent acquisition of the Academy SB-17 kits was to support an idea involving the B-35 and converting it to an SB-35 SAR aircraft. In this case, there would be two Higgins Life Boats with one under each wing. The Academy B-29 Bock's Car and Enola Gay kits both provide KB-29 parts so there might be a KB-49 tanker as well.
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Let us not forget Northrop's proposed airliner version of the B-49 with what appears to be theater seating and a small exclusive lounge in the aft "stinger". ISTR that one book on the first generation wings has details on that concept and there's a film on the early wings that includes a look at the airliner version. A couple ideas, a KB-2 for refueling really classified aircraft and a CB-2 for delivering cargo when you don't want folk to know there's anyone there. I had an idea for a civil version of the CB-2 in service with Aerotransportes Medellin' with markings that resembled Canadian markings save that it's a coco or maijuana leaf rather than a maple leaf. I was considering a diorama with one on the ground with a white Ferrari heading for it as the truck with cargo headed the other way; title was "Somewhere west of Miami".
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I'd love to put winglets on one but haven't quite come up with the rudimentary fuselage and aft stabilizer pattern yet.
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What colours did you do yours in Russ ?
a few quick schemes ...
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/351.png)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/352.png)
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I'd love to put winglets on one but haven't quite come up with the rudimentary fuselage and aft stabilizer pattern yet.
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/257/9/a/b_49m_by_russc1-d49t6y6.jpg)
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What colours did you do yours in Russ ?
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6161/6167302417_1ac0e5733e_z.jpg)
(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6172/6167302449_73925ae332_z.jpg)
(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/242/3/9/avro_delaware_by_russc1-d48axa2.jpg)
Unfortunately, a lot of the builds from Ninfinger's threads, like the long wing RB-49Q and the RAAF and NASA machine were around when I was in flux from film to digital photos and they went between the cracks as they say. I don't keep models around, the old adage ' its not the having but the getting ' !
The builds I added here were old Fujicolor prints later scanned.
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its not the having but the getting ' !
I disgree !! it's the getting, the having & the KEEPING !!
but then I have a house to myself to store them
They all look nice, wonder if Jeffry will do his in that SAR scheme ? - (thinking 210 Sqdn Coastal Command too). Might get a few of those new Dragon kits as the old 1/72nd kit was just too BIG ! May have to get a B-52 as well to rob the engines.
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available kits of Northrop Flying-Wings ....
1/200th kits ....
Dragon 2007 B2 Spirit & F-117
Dragon 52013 XB-35 (metalized finish)
Dragon 52012 XB-49 (metalized finish)
Cyber Hobby CHC-2017 XB-35
Cyber Hobby CHC-2012 XB-49
Dragon 52005 Avro Vulcan
Dragon 52007 Avro Vulcan 617 Sqdn
Cyber Hobby CHC 2016 Avro Vulcan
1/72nd kits ....
AMT / Italeri XB-35 bomber -- Injected plastic kit - BIG !!
AMT / Italeri XB-49 jet-bomber -- Injected plastic kit - BIG !!
RS Models XP-79 jet Rammer -- Injected plastic (2012/13 release)
1/48th kits ....
Sword kit # SW48003 -- N1m "Jeep"
Injected plastic kit with resin cockpit, air intakes & wheels, vacform canopy (two), decals (4 x US stars, Northrop logo & two "no step" markings). Unfortunately you can only build this kit with the wing in straight triangle planform - the real airplane's wings had variable sweep & variable anhedral (both being pre-set on the ground), in the end it proved that both sweep & anhedral were detrimental to Flying-Wing areodynamics & handling. The kit's complete fuselage/wing is molded in just an upper & lower half, simplifying construction -- you could cut off & re-position the wing segments on the kit to depict the sweep & anhedral but it would be a LOT of work.
Sword kit # 48001 -- N9MA (mis-labelled as a this is really the N9MB version).
Injected plastic kit with cockpit detail, vacform canopy (only 1) & 2 resin prop-bases - props & spinners are plastic -- fuselage is top & bottom halves with the usual separate tops & bottoms to the wings. Detail is basic but good. Fit is reasonable, main problem is the wing to fuselage join - I recommend lots of dry-fitting the wing-halves to the fuselage to determine best join method. Decals consist of the Star'n'Bars & a Northrop logo for the nose.
An N9MA version can be modelled from this kit by modifying the wing-tips into the earlier split "snappers" (used instead of ailerons) which had red/white teeth painted inside them.
Two pics of the teeth in the N9MA's "snappers" -- first one shows damaged plywood skin on the lower flap - second pic shows the teeth on the inside surface after the crash that wrote the aircraft off.
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You forgot some: RCM do both the XB-35 and YB-49 in 1/48
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available kits of Northrop Flying-Wings ....
1/200th kits ....
Dragon XB-35 bomber -- pre-painted.
1/72nd kits ....
Monogram XB-35 bomber -- Injected plastic kit - BIG !!
Monogram XB-49 jet-bomber -- Injected plastic kit - BIG !!
RS Models XP-79 jet Rammer -- Injected plastic (2012/13 release)
1/48th kits ....
Sword kit # SW48003 -- N1m "Jeep"
Injected plastic kit with resin cockpit, air intakes & wheels, vacform canopy (two), decals (4 x US stars, Northrop logo & two "no step" markings). Unfortunately you can only build this kit with the wing in straight triangle planform - the real airplane's wings had variable sweep & variable anhedral (both being pre-set on the ground), in the end it proved that both sweep & anhedral were detrimental to Flying-Wing areodynamics & handling. The kit's complete fuselage/wing is molded in just an upper & lower half, simplifying construction -- you could cut off & re-position the wing segments on the kit to depict the sweep & anhedral but it would be a LOT of work.
Sword kit # 48001 -- N9MA (mis-labelled as a this is really the N9MB version).
Injected plastic kit with cockpit detail, vacform canopy (only 1) & 2 resin prop-bases - props & spinners are plastic -- fuselage is top & bottom halves with the usual separate tops & bottoms to the wings. Detail is basic but good. Fit is reasonable, main problem is the wing to fuselage join - I recommend lots of dry-fitting the wing-halves to the fuselage to determine best join method. Decals consist of the Star'n'Bars & a Northrop logo for the nose.
An N9MA version can be modelled from this kit by modifying the wing-tips into the earlier split "snappers" (used instead of ailerons) which had red/white teeth painted inside them.
Two pics of the teeth in the N9MA's "snappers" -- first one shows damaged plywood skin on the lower flap - second pic shows the teeth on the inside surface after the crash that wrote the aircraft off.
Sword also did the N9MA in 1/72. They show up on Ebay every now and then. Hasegawa did co-brand as well.
Review is here: http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal4/3701-3800/gal3777_N-9MA_Senk/00.shtm (http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal4/3701-3800/gal3777_N-9MA_Senk/00.shtm)
Renaud over at Sharkit has a HES 011 upgrade: http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/n9jet/n9jet.htm (http://www.sharkit.com/sharkit/n9jet/n9jet.htm)
I have two of which one will get the HES 011 and the other a TBD engine/prop upgrade.
Carl
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1/72nd kits ....
Monogram XB-35 bomber -- Injected plastic kit - BIG !!
Monogram XB-49 jet-bomber -- Injected plastic kit - BIG !!
AMT, not Monogram. Now they're done by Italeri
Execuform do a YRB-49A vacuform conversion in 1/72
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I have an old resin kit ("Czechmasters"??) of an N9M that I will use as the basis for a "Twin Shinden" contraption, with the cockpit a "rear gunner"s position. I may use the second set of vertical stabilizers on the inner wing to "shield" the propeller arc from the guns. I *MAY* have an Me-262-style radar array on one nose with the cannon armament on the other. Still a concept-in-progress:
(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/flofa01s.jpg)
It will also have two of these "air-to-air" missiles (old "little Johns"?) under the wings:
(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/UnknownMissile.jpg)
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Add to the Kit list a 1/144th resin XB -35 and YB-49 from Anigrand Craftswork. There is a simpler resin kit made by a independent maker called "Air Alex"
Having built the Anigrands, I cannot speak well of them, or the Air Alex.
The Testors/AMT 1/72 produces a BIG model when finished. The cockpit details are great as are the landing gear and bays. If you get a example on Ebay, be aware that the decals may have gone downhill.
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The parts breakdown of the 1/72nd flying wings was not a matter of saving 'box-space', it was a matter
of mould size.
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The parts breakdown of the 1/72nd flying wings was not a matter of saving 'box-space', it was a matter
of mould size.
Well, that is a little better to think of. Still, with all of the 1:32 kits out there today, maybe that monster could be molded better now, maybe a left-half/right half if not the whole boomerang. That was btw, I think the nickname of a RAAF version whatif.
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You forgot some: RCM do both the XB-35 and YB-49 in 1/48
Didn't forget ! ..... just didn't know about them ! :-[
Martin Aircraft designed a Model-245 that looks like an Avro Vulcan - both land & sea versions were proposed - the flyingboat had a jettisonable lower hull for flight.
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You forgot some: RCM do both the XB-35 and YB-49 in 1/48
Didn't forget ! ..... just didn't know about them ! :-[
That goes for me too, was unaware of the 1/48th scale kits.
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The Martin 245 is what I had in mind for my YB-49, likely in PanAm markings. But I'll get to it sometime after the next lifetime. :-[
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Fantastic Plastic 1/144th Northrop Nuclear Bomber (resin)
(http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/NukeWingMain-ABU.jpg)
http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/NorthropNuclearPoweredFlyingWingPage.htm (http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/NorthropNuclearPoweredFlyingWingPage.htm)
also ...
Muroc Models Northrop JB-1 (manned) & JB-1A (guided "missile") - (both in resin)
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Fantastic Plastic 1/144th Northrop Nuclear Bomber (resin)
([url]http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/NukeWingMain-ABU.jpg[/url])
[url]http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/NorthropNuclearPoweredFlyingWingPage.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/NorthropNuclearPoweredFlyingWingPage.htm[/url])
also ...
Muroc Models Northrop JB-1 (manned) & JB-1A (guided "missile") - (both in resin)
Now that is asymmetry! Tophe's challenge is to make that one more counterpoised!
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Random Idea: RAF B-2 Stealth Bomber
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Random Idea: RAF B-2 Stealth Bomber
Scale-O-Rama or pain vanilla?
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Correct scale but in RAF markings. Basically a subtle Whiff.
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B-49 with a V bomber nose in RAF markings.
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Correct scale but in RAF markings. Basically a subtle Whiff.
No challenge with that unless you come up with a nice camouflage scheme that would give it a very RAF look. Perhaps a modified [very much so] RAF Intruder Scheme consisting of Dark Green,
Medium Sea Grey and Underside Night. An example of the colors at this link to Don Color: ------> RAF Intruder Scheme (http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/schemes/raf_int42_e.htm)
While it would not be as subtle as you would hope it to be, it would certainly scream "Not American/Not USAF" :)
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I'd be quite happy with standard low viz type scheme with low viz roundels:
(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/41/87821612_42013e5894.jpg)
Or maybe something akin to the RAF C-17s:
(http://photos.plane-mad.com/12/large/12995.jpg)
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B-49 with a V bomber nose in RAF markings.
Damn! I've been playing with something along those lines Bill, I've got a spare Vulcan nose left over from my Avro Atlantic build. My idea was that Jack Northrop got very frustrated with having his design stalled over and over again, he sold the whole thing to Miles for the proverbial dollar when he visited Miles during a trip to the UK. Miles then went with Metro-Vick engines, added the nose and also wing tip fins ----
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For a Luft 46' build.
Perhaps He-111 nose on a B-35. Doable in 1/72.
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For a Luft 46' build.
Perhaps He-111 nose on a B-35. Doable in 1/72.
That would almost be a E.555:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/AradoE555.png)
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Yes - zactly what made me think of He-111/B-35.
While on this subject:
> E.555 with moderate engine upgrade to J85-GE-17A (used on AT-37) in each jet housing.
Revell says BMW 003A which has 1760 lbf while J85 has 2850 lbf. Thatz 6540 lbf increase. Modify housing(shorten rear) to indicate change. Therez also J85-GE-21 of 3500 lbf dry. Other choices are 1/72 B-47, B-52, B-66 jet housings (you pick how many). Ending up with 50s 60s SAC or TAC version. With B-57, B-66, B-58 or F-111 nose it could have transonic low supersonic speeds.
> Lot of possibilities with Northrop wings and E.555.
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B-49 with a V bomber nose in RAF markings.
Damn! I've been playing with something along those lines Bill, I've got a spare Vulcan nose left over from my Avro Atlantic build. My idea was that Jack Northrop got very frustrated with having his design stalled over and over again, he sold the whole thing to Miles for the proverbial dollar when he visited Miles during a trip to the UK. Miles then went with Metro-Vick engines, added the nose and also wing tip fins ----
Thinking along AW 52 lines are we? ;D
(http://www.fliegerweb.com/inhalte/Geschichte/Flugzeuge/ArmstrongWhitworth_AW52_/AW52_First_Prototype_schluss.jpg)
Interesting scenario, however, I don't think it would be Miles as they didn't have the facilities,
or experience, to build an all-metal airframe on the scale of the B-49. They really were a
very small firm.
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Thinking along AW 52 lines are we? ;D
Interesting scenario, however, I don't think it would be Miles as they didn't have the facilities,
or experience, to build an all-metal airframe on the scale of the B-49. They really were a
very small firm.
Yes, pretty much Jon -- Miles was into all sorts of stuff though. I've got one of those AW.52's in the stash, I was surprised it was so big so I guess the story could be switch to AW instead.
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I've got one of those AW.52's in the stash
What brand/scale?
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I've got one of those AW.52's in the stash
What brand/scale?
A&V Models, 1/72 scale Greg, quite a heavy chunk of resin too ---- clear vac' canopy and metal u/c IIRC, I haven't looked at if for a few years
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I think this would work very well on the 1:144th scale B-2:
1/32 Robot Raider Lighting System v1.00 (for Moebius Cylon Raider) (http://starshipmodeler.biz/shop/index.cfm/product/2485_211/132-robot-raider-lighting-system-v100-for-moebius-cylon-raider.cfm)
Paint the thing up and install that lighting kit to turn it into a "Cylon" raider :)
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ARC Forums - Scratch built 1:48th scale B-2 Steath Bomber WIP images (http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=265502)
The guy still has a long way to go before it is finished but his WIP images show how he is putting it together and it is quite impressive.
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That is outstanding! It also replicates somewhat a project I want to do one day, namely scratch build up a UCAV in much the same way as a real world aircraft is built with internal dram, systems and boxes as well as cable runs etc and the outer skin...
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Something not seen very much. Found while surfing:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/526/91nw.jpg)
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Something not seen very much. Found while surfing:
([url]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/526/91nw.jpg[/url])
IIRC that's an illustration from a recently published US 'Project Cancelled' type book, but I can't remember the exact title now, even though I have the book somewhere. The author himself did most of the illustrations too, super work.
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Cool pic
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That ably demonstrates that silver/grey would be better cammo for the Wing than the green-brown. ;D
The pseudo-SEA cammo actually reveals the shape rather than disguising it. Too funny. ;D
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Most camouflages like SEAC work best at low altitude. At higher altitude, then the problem of flying above clouds becomes an issue and thats when the greys and silvers become an advantage.
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And it looks like it's an YRB-49A too, which would have operated at high altitude
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Most camouflages like SEAC work best at low altitude. At higher altitude, then the problem of flying above clouds becomes an issue and thats when the greys and silvers become an advantage.
Low-level, high-level is irrelevant where the Northrop wing is concerned, even at low altitude
the edges of the shape would still be very evident with a multi-colour cammo. A single colour
would be far more effective in losing the 'shape'. What works for a B-52 wouldn't work for
a B-49. The old notion of 'paint it to look like the terrain' was disproved a long time ago when
it comes to large aircraft, particularly fast moving large aircraft.
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All that may well be true, but it looks GREAT. :) ;) ;D
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All that may well be true, but it looks GREAT. :) ;) ;D
It sure does :)
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(http://www.smu.com/images/aviation/b2.gif)
(http://www.wallpaperfly.com/thumbnails/detail/20131027/aircraft%20bomber%20earth%20stealth%20bomber%20b2%20spirit_www.wallmay.net_26.jpg)
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Apparently, there's a couple of B-2's in the UK right now, with one being flown there by an exchange Brit pilot (an ex-Tornado flyer)
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Apparently, there's a couple of B-2's in the UK right now, with one being flown there by an exchange Brit pilot (an ex-Tornado flyer)
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/public8/ffd1411.jpg (http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/public8/ffd1411.jpg)
It all makes sense now
;D
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Red somewhere a B-2 had the radar return signature of a seagulll. Well, looks like the signature of this one just doubled. :icon_beer:
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Apparently, there's a couple of B-2's in the UK right now, with one being flown there by an exchange Brit pilot (an ex-Tornado flyer)
[url]http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/public8/ffd1411.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/public8/ffd1411.jpg[/url])
It all makes sense now
;D
Sort of reminds me of a joke (slightly modified):
What was the last thing the seagull saw when it hit the B-2 ------ !!!
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Here's a Northrop "flying wing" of a different sort!
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1CA0pI3TTL0/VDGzJt6z-JI/AAAAAAAACXw/zXGZPGmvc7s/s1600/va-xtbd-01-cr2-2k.jpg) (http://vintageairphotos.blogspot.com/2014/10/fits-like-glove.html)
Vintage Air: Fits Like a Glove (http://vintageairphotos.blogspot.com/2014/10/fits-like-glove.html)
This photo is an original Douglas Aircraft print (stamp on the back says it's from the El Segundo plant), and there's a hand-written notation that reads "Laminar Flow Airfoil Glove". The plane shown, Northrop A-17A serial 35-122, at some point was turned over to NACA for a laminar flow reseearch program, which was operated out of Langley.
Unfortunately, I could find very little information about the test program (and no other photos of the plane in this configuration), and there are only a few snipets of information about it on the web, one of which mentions that the small added propellers were intended to add airflow over the wing. The primary source for information on NACA's history of laminar flow research is the paper A History of Suction-Type Laminar-Flow Control with Emphasis on Flight Research. Written by pioneering researcher Albert Braslow (who has since, sadly, passed away), this paper makes no mention of tests using the A-17A. The paper, on page 3, implies that the first laminar-flow flight tests took place in 1941 and utilized a surplus B-18 bomber. Either Braslow was unaware of the use of the A-17A (improbable, in my view), or this particular part of the larger research effort yielded little or no data of note. Joe Baugher's database indicates that 35-122 was returned to the Army in August of 1943.
If anyone has additional information on the modifications, when the test program took place, and any data that resulted from it, I would very much like to hear from you!
Cheers,
Logan
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Fascinating, considering that the Douglas El Segundo plant was, prior to complete acquisition by Douglas, the home of that incarnation of Northrop Aircraft. I suspect the A-17A was used because it had been superceded in active duty and the plant had fully design details with which to plan the modifications (having done test program mods, that makes a big difference).
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Superb!
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Kit-bash inspirational and COOL 8)
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You're killin' me without a reference here, Gimper. What's the backstory????
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High angle perspective
https://fineartamerica.com/featured/1-northrop-flying-wing-erik-simonsen.html
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Hi Mr. S:
The timeline is a few days ago I that learned via FB that a gentlemen named Adam Tooby is the boxart artist for the new Airfix releases. He also is doing the art work for some Osprey books. And his own subjects.
Once I found his FB page, https://www.facebook.com/adamtoobyaviationart/, (https://www.facebook.com/adamtoobyaviationart/,) I started looking at it and so I found these wonderful works of his. His website/store is here: https://www.adamtooby.com/. (https://www.adamtooby.com/.) And his work and presentation is very similar to Erik Simonsen.
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The facebook link doesn't work. When I saw the B-35 pic, I first thought it was a photo. Then I saw the P-79, and I was just stunned. I do have to point out that the crease in the canopy would really mess with the pilot's vision.
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The facebook link doesn't work. When I saw the B-35 pic, I first thought it was a photo. Then I saw the P-79, and I was just stunned. I do have to point out that the crease in the canopy would really mess with the pilot's vision.
My bad. How about this link Kim? https://www.facebook.com/adamtoobyaviationart/ (https://www.facebook.com/adamtoobyaviationart/)
(I left a comma in)
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Thanks-they are awesome.
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I just received an News Letter from Fantastic Plastic. Something of interest was in it.
Northrop Low Altitude Penetrator in 1/144
In the mid-1970s, Northrop Aviation was tasked with developing a low-visibility (stealth) bomber for the U.S. Air Force. The company considered two approaches: Either a broad-winged bomber designed for high-altitude strategic bombing missions, or a sleeker bomber better suited for low-altitude tactical attacks. Ultimately, the high-altitude design was commissioned, leading to what we all now know and love as the B-2 "Spirit" Stealth Bomber. But the Low Altitude Penetrator (LAP) remains a fascinating "What If?" alternative.
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Yeah, I received the same news. If only the LAP was in a bigger scale. Even 1/72 would be better.
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... and not mastered by Scott Lowther. :-X :icon_punal:
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Yeah, I received the same news. If only the LAP was in a bigger scale. Even 1/72 would be better.
Yeah! I agree with you there ---
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Three pages and no...
HAIL HYDRA?
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Eight tail-pusher parasite fighter/bombers.
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/45/03/0e/45030e1ca86254a2fd6f47eb16c92eed.jpg)
1:288th scale kit has a 22.5" wingspan. So much for doing it in 1:72nd.
https://fantastic-plastic.com/HydraFlyingWingCatalogPage.htm (https://fantastic-plastic.com/HydraFlyingWingCatalogPage.htm)
The giant Hydra Flying Wing was the setting for the climax of 2011's hit "Captain America: The First Avenger." Designed by Daniel Simon for the Marvel Pictures production, the Flying Wing was a 540-foot-wide "flying aircraft carrier" armed with eight "parasit" fighters that could be launched independently to drop atomic weapons on various American cities. (The Flying Wing's eight "pusher" propellers were, in fact, the parasits' tail-mounted props and were used to help the Wing get airborne.)
The Flying Wing's design was inspired by both the real-life Horten Ho 229 jet-powered fighter prototype and Northrop's YB-35 Flying Wing.
Tangentially, maybe a bash of a Curtiss-Wright XP-55 Ascender (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Wright_XP-55_Ascender (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Wright_XP-55_Ascender)) and Kyushu J7W (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_J7W (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_J7W) ) although someone's offering it in 1:48th (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/fantastic-plastic-hydra-parasite-fighter--177694 (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/fantastic-plastic-hydra-parasite-fighter--177694) )
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Just a photo:
(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/090706-f-1234k-056-jpg.271209/)
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Random idea: take two B-35s and pair them together to create biplane.
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Flying Wing Flying Boat/Amphibiian
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Flying Wing Flying Boat/Amphibiian
;) :icon_fsm:
(https://glasstire.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/6.-Flying-wing-copy1.jpg)
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Random idea: take two B-35s and pair them together to create biplane.
Almost there. ;D :icon_fsm:
(https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/janome_gotyou/imgs/e/9/e98e3716.jpg)
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These postings have my attention. Is mix of B-35 & B-49 in stash, figure 10+. Various ideas come to mind.
One is cut center out of B-35/49 and use the "wings" on some fortunate fuselage.
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B-35 with Turbodyne:
(http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~FlyWing/image/EB-35_3view.gif)
(https://sobchak.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/xt373.jpg?w=550&h=455&zoom=2)
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:-*
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8)
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Closest I can get to that Greg, just need to find time to build the YB-49 now.
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First class carrying frame. Picture has me wondering you have plans for B-2 AWACS, that would be different hmmm....
Built YB-49 as prewar: http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9007.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9007.0)
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First class carrying frame. Picture has me wondering you have plans for B-2 AWACS, that would be different hmmm....
Built YB-49 as prewar: [url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9007.0[/url] ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=9007.0[/url])
No Bill, the rotordome is on the E-3D which is on the next sheet below. I cut strategic holes in the plywood sheets so tall stuff could poke through, it allowed for more sheets that I could stack and then put in the box.
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Oh that is some clever packing Robert :smiley: How are your styrofoam sheets pinned into place?
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The styrofoam bottom halves were white glued to the plywood, the top halves were then pinned with nails to keep them lined up with the bottoms.
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Picture has me wondering you have plans for B-2 AWACS, that would be different hmmm....
Interesting idea...
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Worth a re-look - I especially like the idea of the B-35/EB-121 cross-over
What colours did you do yours in Russ ?
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Unfortunately, a lot of the builds from Ninfinger's threads, like the long wing RB-49Q and the RAAF and NASA machine were around when I was in flux from film to digital photos and they went between the cracks as they say. I don't keep models around, the old adage ' its not the having but the getting ' !
The builds I added here were old Fujicolor prints later scanned.
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CFBV
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Gobs of inspiration with the plan views and fabulous builds. :smiley:
Rescue boat likely after market one for B-17.
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52132936884_9d118796cd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nqNVRo)
RCAF-CB-35B-Superwing-NMF (https://flic.kr/p/2nqNVRo) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52131676602_7f0f215a89_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nqGtdo)
RCAF-CB-35B-Superwing (https://flic.kr/p/2nqGtdo) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52132695251_ee81e5af2e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nqMG2i)
RAF-B-35A-Jefferson (https://flic.kr/p/2nqMG2i) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52131676847_ef629758fb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nqGthB)
USAAF-KB-35A-Tanker-NMF (https://flic.kr/p/2nqGthB) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52133192780_12150ced19_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nqQeVo)
USAAF-F-17A-Spywing-PRU-Blue (https://flic.kr/p/2nqQeVo) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52132696001_2b8bfcf185_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nqMGfe)
RAF-B-49A-Eisenhower-Late-Camo (https://flic.kr/p/2nqMGfe) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52131677177_7763527bbd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nqGtoi)
RAF-B-49A-Eisenhower-Early-Camo (https://flic.kr/p/2nqGtoi) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
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:smiley: