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The Guns of Navarone, 20mm/HO Scale
« on: June 12, 2017, 09:11:54 PM »
The Thread Formerly Known as Generic 8"/203mm Coast Defense Gun (1914-1955), now expanded to cover several types of coastal defense weapons - more or less MaGuffins that our heroes need to destroy/defend in order to save the day.

Have some Mood Music for reading.

So this started out when I came across a pile of parts that use to be a Tamiya 1:35th scale 88mm FLAK gun (built by someone else).


To my eye, I could see this reborn as a wargaming piece as it looked like one of those rusting pieces of ordnance dotting coastlines from the Pacific to the Aegean to the Baltic and Bering Seas.


For background reading, see 
http://20mmandthensome.blogspot.com/2017/04/japanese-fortifications-focus-on-8-inch.html
and for 7" guns on Bora Bora
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_7-45_mk2.php
and then there's the "Singapore guns"
http://marshall.csu.edu.au/Marshalls/html/essays/es-ww2-5.html

Note for those looking for an easy way out, a simpler solution can be found in the AIRFIX D-Day Gun Emplacement kit (@$16-20 these days).

Anyone who has built up one of those kits, feel free to jump into this thread and share.

So, starting with the remains of the gun, a smoke detector quick-release base and an unfinished wooden lamp base snatched from someone else's trash pile, there was a test-fitting.
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Re: Generic 8"/203mm Coast Defense Gun (1914-1955) 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2017, 09:17:15 PM »
This is a quick-and-dirty butchery project, not brain surgery. Off came the outrigger legs

... and then the smoke detector base was separated into a concrete base and parapet; inverting the center piece of the base so it was smooth-side-up and grinding off the lettering on the outer ring (Pending)



Next was finding some donor scrap to fashion platforms for the gunners.

Next was fitting some more scrap material to the base of the kit's shield.
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Re: Generic 8"/203mm Coast Defense Gun (1914-1955) 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2017, 12:56:38 AM »
Cool!

Fort Casey on Whidbey Island here in Washington State has two 10" disappearing-carriage guns
on display at Battery Worth:



And two 3" pedestal guns at Battery Trevor:



It's one of three major forts intended to guard the entrance to Puget Sound:
http://www.fortwiki.com/Fort_Casey_(1)
http://www.fortwiki.com/Fort_Flagler
http://www.fortwiki.com/Fort_Worden
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Re: Generic 8"/203mm Coast Defense Gun (1914-1955) 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2017, 01:37:39 AM »
Cool!

Fort Casey on Whidbey Island here in Washington State has two 10" disappearing-carriage guns
on display at Battery Worth:
 

 


Thanks. That side-view is actually very good for anyone wanting to do a disappearing gun - a pair of cylinders swiped from some other kit, a barrel from a 1:35th or 1:25th tank kit & you're halfway there.

Whack-a-mole for Dreadnaughts: The cannon goes up, the cannon goes down.


See also http://www.militarymuseum.org/BtyMendell.html

NZ layout, meant to deter the Russians in the 1880s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Head,_New_Zealand
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Re: Generic 8"/203mm Coast Defense Gun (1914-1955) 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2017, 02:39:11 AM »
Take note, mein Peanut Gallery - since we only started with a concept of a general *feel* and we're doing this without plans, blueprints or drawings with divergent salvage, these pics are as much a check for alignment as well as a progress report.

Waste not, want not those Outriggers. They're now load-bearing arms for the shield


Shield lines up from the muzzle - check.
Hmmm, looks asymmetric doesn't it?
Well, if this was from a two-gun 8" naval turret of course it'd be!
This here's the right-hand fed gun.


Tube lines up with load-bearing arms - check.


Vertical alignment - check.


Unattended woman mocks pretentious Art Museum narratives. Film at 11.


The Jap guns from Tarawa where another inspiration.

Here's a YouTube walkabout  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g2_jk87hBY
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Re: Generic 8"/203mm Coast Defense Gun (1914-1955) 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2017, 06:24:00 AM »
Outstanding! The weathering on top the barrel is what really makes it for me.

That and the amazing patience it must've taken to build this wonder!

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Re: Generic 8"/203mm Coast Defense Gun (1914-1955) 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2017, 07:13:04 AM »
Ayup... I do like where this is going

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Re: The Guns of Navarone, 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2018, 11:08:50 AM »
Hey Sports fans. I see it's been a year since I messed with this stuff.

Based on Alistair MacLean's 1957 novel The Guns of Navarone, which was inspired by the Battle of Leros during the Dodecanese Campaign of World War II.

Others claim that the inspiration came from a French battle a year later


In 1943, the Axis powers plan an assault on the island of Kheros where 2,000 British soldiers are marooned to display their military strength and convince neutral Turkey into joining them. Rescue by the Royal Navy is prevented by two massive radar-directed superguns on the (fictional) nearby island of Navarone. When aerial bombing efforts fail, Allied Intelligence gathers a commando unit to infiltrate Navarone and destroy the guns.


Derivative project going on as well, figured I'd keep all my excretions in one place.




 




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Re: The Guns of Navarone, 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2018, 04:35:37 PM »
Wow!  Nice to see this project back on track. 

Enjoyed the movie, never read the book or have forgot that I read the book.  What puzzled me about the guns was the size.  The first time I watch that film was when I was living in the former Panama Canal Zone shortly after the movie was released.  Being too young to know what I was seeing on the screen with regards to the guns it was always a mystery and I assumed in later years that these weapons must have been massive in size.  Watching the film again just recently I realized that the guns were not as massive as I had imagined.  The few scenes where the shells were seen gave me the impression that they were some where around 210mm to 250mm in size.  Looking at the one image you have included above showing the guns in the film it does resemble a French rail gun that was 240mm in caliber.  So your adapting those HO scale rail guns for your project makes perfect sense.
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Re: The Guns of Navarone, 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2018, 11:07:43 PM »
Leros is a specific interest (which is why y'all will eventually see an R-Boat build), and somewhere I have an annotated map of the Italian gun positions on Leros' heights. They were mostly WWI rejects, nothing as massive (or as cinematically engaging) as the twin railroad cannons in the movie. In reality, the amount of effort to set two of those main guns in a mountaintop emplacement would be insane (not that the Nazis weren't nuts to start with).

In reality, the Italian guns never controlled any important shipping lanes which is why this project is more malleable - the items are the sort of wargaming terrain that would allow small-scale naval gamers to side-step into 20mm commando raids; Russian & Japanese (1905 Siberia), Japanese vs pre-Dreadnaught America, Commonwealth or Russians vs Germans (Baltic 1914-1917), Japanese & Commonwealth (Singapore 1941), Commonwealth vs Italians (1940 Asmara), Italians vs Germans (Leros-like 1943), ad nauseum (the more obscure, the better).

As a wargaming tool, large guns would only be a target in a 20mm game but if combined with a naval game, they'd probably be engaging targets on a different map.

Funfact: as I understand it, the tubes used to model the guns in the movie are on display at a beach in Senegal.

nb: This might help visualize *why* this thread will contain different sort of cannons.


Note that the donor kits - made by several manufacturers over the last decade or two - are out of production now
  Beat up/broken/missing parts examples can be found in the usual places.
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Re: The Guns of Navarone, 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2018, 03:00:52 AM »
Another part of the party mix is the coast mortar, useful for inserting High Explosive through the comparatively-thinner decks of capital ships. Some folks will recognize the battery at Corregidor.



Other folks will remember this box of junk from OPERATION HIGH JUMP


The gun tube is from shattered Warhammer 40K model that was salvaged from someone's trash. A 40mm twin Bofors from a Monogram M42 Duster provided carriage and turntable parts. To allow for maximum elevation, the computer base needed to visit Mr. Hole Saw.

Proof of concept.

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Re: The Guns of Navarone, 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2018, 05:47:36 AM »
Looking every bit the business!

Great stuff.

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Re: The Guns of Navarone, 20mm/HO Scale
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2018, 03:37:19 PM »
Epic scale looking forward to more