Thiel's Pixel Mutilations

[Thiel]

We've got entirely too many aircraft around here and nowhere near as many ships as we need, so I thought I'd post a few of my creations.

All three ships belongs to an alternate Denmark I'm working on.

A destroyer based on the Peder Skram Class frigate. This is how she looked at the end of her life. I've got her earlier guises on the slip, but they're not quite finished yet.


A cruiser project from the early twenties.


An inshore minesweeper based on a SeaCoaster hull

[apophenia]

We are an aviation-obsessed lot, aren't we 

I'm not all that boat-y myself but I do like that SeaCoaster minesweeper. Looking forward to hearing more about your Alternative Denmark too!

[JP Vieira]

I am, for sure, obssed with aviation, but I do enjoy ships (and tanks and other machinery...) and your's is great! Good Job.

[GTX_Admin]

Nice work.

[Thiel]

Thank you.
Here's a couple more


A tender based on a real proposal from 1922


The preliminary design for what became the Springeren class


A real proposal for a frigate to replace the Hunts and Flower class ships in the RDN. Discarded in favour of the Peder Skram class


Two proposed aircraft for the RDN from the thirties.

[Empty Handed]

Nice ships! I have to say that the destroyer and frigate both have a very British look to them. The destroyer looks like a cousin of the Type 42 and the frigate has a bit of a Leander look to it.

I like your aircraft but wasn't the HM.3 the Dantorp/Horsley biplane??

[Thiel]

Nice ships! I have to say that the destroyer and frigate both have a very British look to them. The destroyer looks like a cousin of the Type 42 and the frigate has a bit of a Leander look to it.

Thanks. The destroyer is probably closer to a Charles F. Adams tuned for the Baltic rather than a Type 42 though, and the frigate is essentially a Danish Type 41.

I like your aircraft but wasn't the HM.3 the Dantorp/Horsley biplane??

Nope, that's the H.B. III

[apophenia]

EH: the RW Marinens Flyvevæsen designations of the time included the landing gear style, wing layout description, and type number. The former included F (flyvebåd or flying boat); H (hydroplan or floatplane); and L (landfly or wheeled gear). Wing layouts were, obviously, B (biplan) and M (monoplan). Type numbers were rendered as Roman numerals.

The MF seems to have contracted descriptions (eg: hydrobiplan) while the main aircraft maker, Orlogsvæft, broke these down with its initials as suffix (eg: OV-hydro biplan). This is also shown in OV-J-01 which was the manufacturer's designation, not the potential end user's.

BTW, the Orlogsvæft's March 1938 H.M.III concept was basically for a H.M.II (Heinkel HE 8 replacement). The requirement was dropped when it was concluded that naval reconnaissance no longer dictated a float gear.

As Thiel said, the Dantorp was designated H.B.III. I presume that the H.B.IV was to be the undelivered Heinkel He-114s (the contract wasn't signed until 02 March 1940).

The OV-J-01 (for Orlogsværftet Jager 01) project was proceeded with but the localled-made Fairey P.4/34 (L.M.I) had priority. With the OV-J-01 (aka Marinejager) lagging, the MF ordered 12 interim Macchi C.200s from Italy. Since neither type was delivered, we can't be sure which design would have received the L.M.III designation (L.M.II being the KZ-II Sport lightplane).

I have a soft spot for things Danish ... hope this nerdy diversion doesn't come off as too JMN-ish 

[apophenia]

I dug out an old whif take on the Danish H.M.III requirement. As an HE 8 replacement, I decided to stick with Heinkel and went with a floaty variation on the He-170.

[Thiel]

Nice, but it would probably have had the same silver paint-job as the other navy aircraft. Only the army used camouflage.

[Thiel]

Another one.

This drawing came about as part of a friendly competition we had over at Shipbucket a while back.

And here she is with mines.

[apophenia]

Very interesting Thiel. Would this frigate/minelayer replace RW 'Cruiser Corvettes' like Valkyrien or introduce an entirely new frigate class?

Aircraft Camouflage: That RW silver scheme gave way to 2-tone camouflage just before the invasion. L.B. V Nimrods got their's in 1939. IIRC, the Heinkels were re-painted in early 1940 (the Greenland-based HE 8s were an exception, they kept their high-visibility red schemes). See this Orlogsmuseets H.M.II photo:

http://www.navalhistory.dk/images/Luftfartoejer/PopUp/HeinkelHE8(HMII).jpg

[Thiel]

Very interesting Thiel. Would this frigate/minelayer replace RW 'Cruiser Corvettes' like Valkyrien or introduce an entirely new frigate class?

Neither. In my timeline the Valkyrien class was retired just after WWI like they should have been. They were replaced by the cruiser I posted above. The rapid increase in cruiser capabilities in the inter-war period meant that Denmark couldn't afford to build a replacement class, so instead they built the Sehested class.

Aircraft Camouflage: That RW silver scheme gave way to 2-tone camouflage just before the invasion. L.B. V Nimrods got their's in 1939. IIRC, the Heinkels were re-painted in early 1940 (the Greenland-based HE 8s were an exception, they kept their high-visibility red schemes). See this Orlogsmuseets H.M.II photo:

http://www.navalhistory.dk/images/Luftfartoejer/PopUp/HeinkelHE8(HMII).jpg

Oh, didn't know that. Well, you live and you learn.

[Thiel]

Not a Whif, though some serious WAGging was involved.

[GTX_Admin]

 :)

[Thiel]

Blue Steel with a more appropriate paint scheme.

[GTX_Admin]

Love it!

[Thiel]

And now for something entirely different.

[apophenia]

Always liked the look of that late-model Canso in Danish colours! (Oh, and thanks for the explanation on the frigate/minelayer.)

[Thiel]

Always liked the look of that late-model Canso in Danish colours! (Oh, and thanks for the explanation on the frigate/minelayer.)

Everyone loves Hi-Viz. 

[GTX_Admin]

And now for something entirely different.

Well that is certainly different.  Keen to see more.

[Brian da Basher]

And now for something entirely different.

Well that is certainly different.  Keen to see more.

I wonder if a model 1860 U.S. light cavalry saber is next?

Brian da Basher

[Thiel]

Actually the USS Newport LST-1179 is next. 
If you've got a picture or drawing that shows it in profile I can do the sabre after that.
If anyone have one of the Pattern 1796 Heavy Cavalry Sword I'll do that as well.

[Thiel]

I'm not entirely sure why, but people on another forum kept asking me to do a butter knife.

[raafif]

I thought that


      was a BUTTER-KNIFE !!