Universal Carrier (All Variations)

[dy031101]

Actually...... even with only splinter protection, how close is it to an APU-equipped AT Gun?

This set up gives off a compact feel to me, leading me to think that it might not be so bad to employ it as such.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Good news for everyone that has been pining for a better Universal Carrier in 1:35th scale.  Riich Models has released a kit number and an image of the box art that you can see at PMMS via this link: ------> RV35011 Universal Carrier Mk.I w/Crew (more info when available)

[Volkodav]

Good news for everyone that has been pining for a better Universal Carrier in 1:35th scale.  Riich Models has released a kit number and an image of the box art that you can see at PMMS via this link: ------> RV35011 Universal Carrier Mk.I w/Crew (more info when available)

Need need need need need, I love.......to quote my 3 yo.

[Volkodav]

Thinking a bit more on the Carriers, how about a Cavalry version with 15mm and 7.92mm BESA MGs?  CAn you get detailed Besas in 1/35?

[Buzzbomb]

Thinking a bit more on the Carriers, how about a Cavalry version with 15mm and 7.92mm BESA MGs?  CAn you get detailed Besas in 1/35?

Yep

http://www.bnamodelworld.com/skp-model/skp-022

Interesting concept, but really the Light Tank Mk VIB or C was really built for the exact same role, using similar components.

Later on it was not uncommon to see a .50Cal mounted on Universal Carriers, which certainly would have given them a deal more punch. The Russians also mounted the DSHK 12.7mm HMG on carriers in the recon role.

[Volkodav]

Excellent, thanks.

Just looking outside the square.  It was the 15mm in the VI C that inspired this idea.  Does anyone know how the 15mm Besa compared to the Browning .50cal HMG interms of performance and effectiveness?

[jschmus]

Excellent, thanks.

Just looking outside the square.  It was the 15mm in the VI C that inspired this idea.  Does anyone know how the 15mm Besa compared to the Browning .50cal HMG interms of performance and effectiveness?

I couldn't find a lot about this weapon.  This link has some of the info you're looking for:
bit.ly/HaBnvc

[raafif]

there are some modellers who build models of vehicles & aircraft (ie P-51s & Hurricanes) in German markings as they appeared in various movies.  Here's a Bren Carrier that thinks it's a SdKfz-251 halftrack ! (an Italian movie apparently)

[Buzzbomb]

Oh dear... that looks so wrong.. that is somehow looks right for here.

[Volkodav]

From reading various sources it seems to me that the carriers were eventually replaced by APCs such as the M-113 FV432, and Spartan to mention a few. Like AT guns, Infantry guns and now mortars the infantry in many cases lost control of them to other corps.

[Logan Hartke]

The Horror of Tankenstein by boogster11 on DeviantArt

Cheers,

Logan

[GTX_Admin]

Belgian CATI 90 (canon antitank d’infanterie 90mm).  The 90mm Gun was produced by MECAR and was designed to combat armored targets. It could also fire HE (High-Explosive) rounds in an infantry support role. The gun was mounted centrally in the vehicle, with the barrel protruding through the frontal plate. It was in operation between 1954 and 1962, and operated with another Loyd Carrier in an ammunition carrying role.

[Old Wombat]

No spade on the back?

So, how far did they slide when they fired this thing?

[tigercat]

Plastic Soldier Company  are doing a pack of 7 different  versions.

[Story]

You know who else rode on a Horstmann suspension?



Always thought a reproduction Vickers Mk VI on a BREN hull would be neat. Impractical, but neat.

Switching sides, inspiration from the Nazis
http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/10/27/universal-carrier-in-german-service/

[GTX_Admin]

No spade on the back?

So, how far did they slide when they fired this thing?

The gun was the MECAR 90/28 mm which was a low pressure gun.  The total weight of the gun was only 274 kg and featured a hydraulic recoil system. The gun had a recoil of 2500 kg and a recoil length of 40 cm.  The CATIs were equipped with two kinds of ammunition, HE and HEAT. The HEAT projectile weighed 2.28 kg and its accuracy and stabilization were achieved by the combination of the projectiles’ initial low rotation and eight stabilizing fins. It had a relatively low velocity of 633 m/s and an effective range of only 1 km, and a maximum range of 3.5 km. Within the effective range, the HEAT projectile could penetrate 350 mm of armor or 1200 mm of concrete. The HE projectile had an effective range of 2.1 km and a maximum range of 4 km. The maximum rate of fire consisted of 10 rounds per minute, with a sustainable rate of fire of 7 rounds per minute. The CATI had an ammunition load-out of 18 shells, the ammunition carrier could carry 54 additional rounds

[newtonk]

Found this example somewhere, purportedly from South Africa bush war period...

[M.A.D]

Belgian CATI 90 (canon antitank d’infanterie 90mm).  The 90mm Gun was produced by MECAR and was designed to combat armored targets. It could also fire HE (High-Explosive) rounds in an infantry support role. The gun was mounted centrally in the vehicle, with the barrel protruding through the frontal plate. It was in operation between 1954 and 1962, and operated with another Loyd Carrier in an ammunition carrying role.

An interesting and cost effective design in my opinion GTX!
In fact I've included the CATI 90 in my 'Alternative ADF ORBAT', as a post-war utilisation of existing Universal Carrier production in Australia, while providing the Australian Army with a cost-effective form of mobility and support firepower.

M.A.D

[Volkodav]

An interesting replacement for a towed AT gun within Infantry Battalions, instead of the gun and the tow vehicle.

Australia fitted a 2pdr to the rear deck of a front engine Carrier variant, but why not a wartime version with a 6pdr mounted as per the CATI 90?  Or even better a Mollins Gun!

[GTX_Admin]

Argentinian Army Universal Carrier with six Czekalski Mod. 68 105mm recoilless guns:

[GTX_Admin]

Version with 25pdr:

[Story]

Go nuts doing all the German variants
http://ftr.wot-news.com/2013/10/27/universal-carrier-in-german-service/

[Rickshaw]

2,5 cm PaK 112 (f) auf Selbstfahrlafette Bren (e) – after France fell, the Germans got their hands on massive amounts of French military equipment, including hundreds of 25mm French anti-tank guns. Several Universal Carriers were converted to use this gun and were operated during the North-African campaign. While the 25mm gun was obsolete by 1942, it still provided the Germans with some firepower to support the infantry against softer targets.

[Rickshaw]

One of the strongest recognition points for identifying an Australian-manufactured LP2 or 2A carrier is the unique shape of the nose of the vehicle - the glacis plate is at a much steeper angle than that seen on British-produced carriers. This carrier is shown in the markings of the Australian 2/9 Infantry Division.

[GTX_Admin]

Something different - would make an interesting diorama:  Royal Irish Fusiliers of the British expeditionary forces come to the aid of French farmers whose horses have been commandeered by the French Army. A Bren Carrier is hitched to a plow to help with the spring tilling of the soil on March 27, 1940.