Beyond The Sprues
Current and Finished Projects => Physical Models => Sea => Topic started by: kpnuts on April 08, 2015, 02:10:32 AM
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Hi all well since I've nearly finished the Spits and the Lanc I thought it was time to start back on the Corvette and this little beauty that I've just taken delivery of, I must say I thought the 1/6 bikes box were huge but even they pale into insignificance when compared to this beast.
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That said the box could be half this size
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The moulding detail is beautiful
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The instructions however could do with some work, one written page in english everything else is in French.
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and why put these on the top where they could get creased like this, if theyed been on the bottom this would not have happened
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Hopefully I can iron them out.
I have taken a very stupid chance and bought a very (well I think its very expensive) guilding kit just for this. I gulp, am going to try useing real gold leaf wherever the ship has gold. I have never guilded anything in my life so we will see, have I wasted my money, am I going to ruin this kit, stay tunefor the next exciting episode.
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Good luck on the build :) :) Gold leaf no less :o :o
It's a pretty standard Heller kit with light flash and mould lines everywhere, French instructions and a single page English translation. Strangely the bits aren't packed in plastic bags.
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Well here is my first attempt at guilding.
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not sure wether to do a wash to highlight the detail or not, dont know if it will kill the shine on the gold, and if I did what colour should i use.
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First glance at the second photo and I thought you had made some strange sails! Never know what may turn up on this site!
For me, I wouldn't put a wash over the gold. Let it shine through.
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I was going to suggest a thin black wash, applied just in the creases/crevices to make the gold leaf really stand out and give more emphasis to the details.
It looks good as is, too. But I think the wash would make those details really "pop."
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well I've got to the first problem with guilding, getting a crisp line, mind you I still yhink it looks good
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Well here is todays efforts, got to say this will be a long long build, but unless I ruin it, it will be a beautiful ship.
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Looking really good. That picture of it across the back of the couch reminds me of some pictures I've seen of the Singapore skyline where you have what looks like an ocean liner resting across the tops of three skyscrapers; definitely a unique skyline.
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Looking really good. That picture of it across the back of the couch reminds me of some pictures I've seen of the Singapore skyline where you have what looks like an ocean liner resting across the tops of three skyscrapers; definitely a unique skyline.
That would be this one - the Marina Bay Sands hotel towers:
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Been there and had a few drinks in the bar you can see on the end ... ;)
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Amazing hotel.
Hi all here is a bit of an update. I have a big problem with this kit and dont know how much further I can go with it. there is supposed to be 2 sprues number 17 and 2 number 18 but there is only 1 of each, I have emailed Heller and asked for the missing sprues to be sent but have no idea what their customer service is like I'm hopeing they will send them as the kit is useless without them and I will have to bin it otherwise. so will do what I can and hope they will send the parts sooner rather than later.
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Here is an update these rib bits are very confusing, dosnt help ther are no english instructions for this bit.
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I am having all sorts of problems getting rid of the loose flakey bits that you just cant seem to brush off, so I've decided to try guilding the whole part then painting over the guilding.
I've started by sizing all the parts for guilding
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then guilding the whole lot
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Now painting it
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also I decide to put a wash over some of the solid gold parts to highlight some of the detail
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That looks much better!! :) :)
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That looks much better!! :) :)
Agreed. That makes the detail stand out much more. I'm avidly following this project - I have designs to try my hand at a sailing ship, but all that rigging gives me pause...
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Hi all here is last nights work.
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That really looks spectacular, brilliant 8) 8)
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Hi all here is todays efforts
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Damn, that's impressive work. You're doing a fabulous job there.
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Damn, that's impressive work. You're doing a fabulous job there.
What he said...
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Thanks guys, well I've done all the flure de lys on one side (think I've gone cross eyed doing them)
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Brilliant progress!! :) :) 8) 8)
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Hi all good news they are sending the parts, anyway, here is tonight's bit
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Hi all well I'm afraid this is as far as I can go till the parts come so hopefully they will be here soon.
I cant glue the two boxes on yet as I would not be able to get the other cannons in so this is it for now.
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Emailed Heller and have been told the parts were shipped on the 23rd so hopefully not long to wait. Still won't get much done as off on hols in a fortnight.
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Hi all well I'm back on this one again.
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hi all here is tonights update
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Truly awesome work 8) 8)
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Truly awesome work 8) 8)
Yes it is.
Impressive - too darn much for me in quantity and quality.
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well here is yet another update on this one, yawn.
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Hi all well I've done all the fluer de lys on the other side I recon that must be about 30,000 of them (or at least that's what it seems like).
One thing of would suggest with this kit, for any others intending to build it is either do not glue the angels on the rear of the ship or at least omit the trumpets till the model is finished as I've knocked them off numerous times and have now put them I a bag for safe keeping till I've finished the kit when I will finally glue them on (assuming I remember)
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Cangrats on such a fine build. So many many many small details to mess up, yet all are looking great :)
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Hi all another update.
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Hi all here is where I am at on this now, wont get much more done as on hols soon, Yippee
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Very nice work
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Hi all well here it is last build post on this before we are on hols
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just one question, the rigging thread which\that(dont know the correct word) comes with the kit is off white, is that right, as the only rigging colour I've seen is black ( or at least it looks black) I thought they used tarred rope so that would make it black
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Not all line used in period was tarred, nor is 'tarred' line necessarily black.
Natural hemp line is light to medium tan when new, can fade to off-white.
Hemp line tarred with 'Stockholm tar' is dark greyish-brown.
A rough rule of thumb is tarred line generally used for standing rigging, un-tarred/light tarred for running.
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That is so garish it hurts my eyes but great job! 8)
Tarred rope stains quite badly &, with royalty & nobility dithering around, I'd hazard that longevity of the ropes was less important than keeping their expensive togs clean.
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Hi all back on this one too.
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That is A-mazing!!! Magic work there KP!!! :) :) 8) 8)
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Hi all here is tonights little bit
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I love Honda CB 750 !!!
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This thread is highest level indeed !! :)
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Thanks glad you like it.
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Hi all I feel I'm getting there now (although this is the point at which it may get shelved (really not looking forward to the rigging) ) I'm sure you must all be getting bored of this by now.
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Hi all well I know some of you more used to rigging would probably have this much work don in ten mins but this represents several hours and lots of hair pulling and certain words of a not particularily pleasant nature.
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Wow!!! 8)
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Hi all here is where I am now.
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Hi all you may think I've given up on this but I assure you I've not, I've spent all week on the rigging (not enough to bother posting but enough to drive me insane (I don't remember all the Airfix tall ships I built giving me so much trouble), must be the destructions, hopefully some pics tomorrow. I've done some work on the Royal Sovereign and finished the Honda vfr 750 f but, by the time I've done it, it's too late to post.
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Beautifully done, love the lateen sail!!! 8) 8)
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Hi all as promised here are some pics
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I couldnt find any gold thread to make the fringe round the canopy or the tassles at the end of the flags, so this will have to do
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what swmbo dont know cant hurt her Te Hee Hee.
Now I just have to duplicate this on the other side do the rest of the rigging on the main sail then do exactly the same on the front mast and sail.
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Hi all the flags on the main mast and the fore mast all have tassles on them, the instructions tell you to wind the gold thread round a rod or tube tie them then cut at the furthest point for the tie. well this is my best attempt out of ten
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so, after hours of slaving at making a specialist tool for the job I came up with this.
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yes I know it looks futuristic and exotic, and I know everyone will want one (especially at the special introductory offer of £50.00) I am expecting huge order numbers so please be patient, anyway here's how it works
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a vast improvement on this
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I think you will agree.
I will be taking orders for my new tool which I will be calling the Prongy (catchy name dont you agree) I can see lots of other useful ideas for it too hair combing, lock picking, raking the grass just to mention a few So get in first to avoid the rush.
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Hi all yippee one mast and sail done.
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Damn!!! That's looking quite the gorgeous model.
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I think I've said this before . . . WOW!! 8) 8)
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Hi all I've just realised there are 24 more tassles to make for this kit, its becoming an epic build not sure I'm not sure it will be finished in my lifetime.
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I've sat down at the table 3 times tonight and done nothing, is this what it feels like to lose your mojo not felt like this before I love modeling but don't seem to have any interest when I sit down.
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Unfortunately, yes, a low level of mojo is indicated ........... :-\ try :icon_beer: . . . . 8)
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Hi all well I'm back on it and here is todays offering
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Outstanding
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Agreed!!! :) :) 8)
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So far out of my comfort zone I'm not sure how to react but the detail work is, literally, awesome! 8)
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Hi all here is tonights episode
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Damn, that looks impressive as all hell!!
Your patience and skill are impressively inspiring.
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Just WOW 8) 8)
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Hi all thought I would have a break from the rigging so decided to do the steps, they are supposed to have hand rails but they were so fine one was snapped on the sprue and one broke cutting it off the sprue so will have to make a couple out of copper wire
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well this is on the back burner again
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as you can see from the parts list sprue 17 and 18 say 2 sprues sprue 9 and 9a are listed together with a sprue count of 2 I stupidly didnt count the number of oars on the sprues (there are 16 oars on each sprue) so the 2 on the parts list means 2 of each 9a and 9 (why didnt they list those to sprues separately or say 4 on the parts count, so now I have to go through the rigmarole of contacting heller again and waiting for the parts, this really is putting me off ever buying a heller kit again, I mean are all there kits like this, I dont think much of the're quality control if they dont even bother doing a sprue check on the contents of a kit.
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Hi all here is as far as i can go its the side arms for her
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I've never had an issue with any of the 40 or so Heller kits I've built and missing bits, you must've got a kit produced late on a Friday arvo ;) ;)
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Hi all was looking at this today and noticed the mast was bent.
so I thought how can I fix that and a cunning plan developed.
first break the top of the mast off then drill out a hole in the top of the mast and insert brass rod then reglue the top on
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since this pic I decided I dont like the fore mast sail so have removed it was thinking of removing the main sail as well but my missus says no, what do you think would they have had one sail down and not the other or would they both be up or down.
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Well I'm not sure what's going to happen with the La Reale I've contacted heller several times but no reply, the 32 oars I do have couldn't go all on one side said some are different so I can't put them all on one side and display it that way. Not sure I can be bothered with displaying it in dry dock being refitted (lot of work involved and I will always know she's not complete) too big to keep hanging round, maybe time to bite the bullet and stick her in the spares drawer. All I know is she's taking up valuable room, not sure the missus will let me scrap her but, I am rapidly losing interest in her.
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Well I decided to have a go at making the missing parts and after 2 hrs and on my third attempt, this is what I have
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I'm quite pleased with it, its a bit crude but when its installed I dont think it will notice too much.
I know one thing I will never buy another heller kit. its not the kits (the kwak apart) they are great kits I've loved the La Reale, its their complete ignorance I've sent 2 emails just asking would they let me know even if they are going to send the parts, not one single reply to 8 emails, now I call that down right rude. I intend to send one more email informing them that they are not the only kit manufacturer out there and if they treat all their customers the way they have treated me I wont be the only customer they loose.(since they obviously ignore emails it probably wont do any good but it will make me feel better) You don't buy model kit and expect to have to make the parts yourself. Rant over so only 15 more of these babys to make
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Well they are sending the parts now.
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So, great communication skills, then. :-\
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Good news on the oar parts. :)
Here's a graphic from the Conway History of the Ship volume The Age of the Galley that may be of interest, it
deals with the positioning of the oars at rest and under sail. The book goes into great detail on the rowing methods
of the French Med galleys of the period.
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What a superb ref you've found :) :)
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Thanks for that very useful
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Thanks for that very useful
Cheers, glad it will be of use.
The book has numerous diagrams of the rowing positions and the rowing 'form', all of which
make me glad to not be attached to an oar on a 17th - 18th Century French galley. :o
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It's looking superb. Is there any place for someone to beat time for the rowers, or do they not need an external means of keeping time?
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It's looking superb. Is there any place for someone to beat time for the rowers, or do they not need an external means of keeping time?
Commands were verbal.
The rowing style was called a scalocio and rather than multiple banks of oars with individual rowers, it was a single
bank of oars with multiple rowers on each one, five on a regular galley, seven on a Reale flagship.
The most inboard rower was the 'lead rower' for each bench and he controlled their movement, and he in turn followed
the lead of the 'lead rower' in front of him. Four of the lead rowers were classed, and treated, as sailors and were the
'head rowers', two aft and two forward. The two aft head rowers, from the benches closest to the poop, were called
espaliers because of their proximity to the espale, the galley embarkation points near the poop. The espaliers
set the stroke for the whole ship.
The two forward head rowers were the connillers, who also had responsibility for positioning the anchors.
So basically when a command was given to slow down, speed up etc., it was directed at the espaliers and all the other
lead rowers duplicated their action.
From the same book, The Age of the Galley, which includes a detailed analysis from the engineering and ergonomic
stand points, which concludes that the majority of the rowers effort went into simply maneuvering the oar and their own
bodies, with the result that only a small percentage of their energy expenditure was actually translated into forward motion.
:-X
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hi all well I'm as happy as a frog on a lilly pad the parts have arrived an idea can finally finish this build, thanks for sticking with it and giving me the enthusiasm to keep going. Hope you will all stay to the bitter end.
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Hi all a small update, everyone was telling me the sails should not be billowing in different directions, contrary to the instructions and the fact that the sails are vac formed and can only but put on that way, I decided to make sure its right I would do the fore mast sail furled.
(http://i.imgur.com/WnQJSDB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8W5ioMn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JuxzBYw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GHcu5qa.jpg)
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Hi all a little update on the Reale, I thought I would try to improve the way the rowers handles are depicted.
(http://i.imgur.com/pemcH6m.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tP1IJld.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/elDgpP9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3fvvl1s.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/R1r7d3n.jpg)
so, only 29 more to go
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Hi all well here is an update on this build someone told me the clew? was missing, well apparently this is it (the loose flap of sail from the furled sail)in the first picture.
(http://i.imgur.com/nDetPwZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hrbEAKG.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Qdjp7Ox.jpg)
I've added all the cannons now as well.
(http://i.imgur.com/slccHxt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KFvBuuO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WX8fKlu.jpg)
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Sooooo many detailed items in this build. Particularly painting and rope work.
Super nice :)
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Hi all didn't like the oar handle, too irregular, so browsing the net I found these, they are OO gauge steps (1/87) so near enough.
(http://i.imgur.com/Q9ah9hY.jpg)
But as you can see they are too wide
(http://i.imgur.com/QOpyfXT.jpg)
so with my guage
(http://i.imgur.com/R5JYpjT.jpg)
I whittled them down a bit
(http://i.imgur.com/XcMewsB.jpg)
cut to length
(http://i.imgur.com/LCFjaPG.jpg)
split
(http://i.imgur.com/6Roe6Fe.jpg)
and with a little bit of fettling they will all look the same now
(http://i.imgur.com/50ahQrf.jpg)
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Hi all, well I think I'm on the last leg of this build, this is half way there with the oars
(http://i.imgur.com/PKnOIYL.jpg)
just these left to do
(http://i.imgur.com/1UIRiHQ.jpg)
every single oar has this huge seam on it, so, only32 to sort
(http://i.imgur.com/cTkE1jh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iniYRla.jpg)
I really feel this is nearing the end now, once I add the oars it will be huge, no idea what I will do with it when done, I had my warspite dio in the local library, but now thats back due to the library re-utilising the areas and no longer having room for it (a polite way of saying no one was interested in it) so now I've got that back too. argh I have no room.
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Well I am so annoyed I thought I had some oars over and I had finished them but no, stupid idiot there are 32 PAIRS of oars, not 32 oars, now I have to order more of the steps to cut down for the handles, or I display it from one side only.
(http://i.imgur.com/L1Hejn4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aAvjrRW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bxpy4ED.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tJsRKxu.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PvYoJe7.jpg)
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Looks awesome, wonderful work :) :) 8)
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Well I've got to do all 64 oars again, I ordered some more ladders to do the handles with ( ordered more than I needed as I could see them being usefull for other things) luckily I ordered the wrong bits.
(http://i.imgur.com/rJtylVu.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pvhmCU5.jpg)
now when you compare them, I just have to redo all of them
(http://i.imgur.com/TU34hCq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6rFSJE9.jpg)
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Hi all I've been racking my brains trying to think of a way to do the tassels round the canopy, I cant find any which match the cord I've done the flags on the mast with, so,came up with this.
take a piece of double sided tape and stick it to a piece of paper
(http://i.imgur.com/2jVBwaN.jpg)
tack that each end to a lollipop stick
(http://i.imgur.com/NCIkWZJ.jpg)
wind the gold thread round the lollipop stick
(http://i.imgur.com/RhLNrc0.jpg)
Cut along the edge
(http://i.imgur.com/Klxgb8T.jpg)
then glue in place
(http://i.imgur.com/cXkrYht.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EA0pgcf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dosZUOk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/mGONumX.jpg)
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Your attention to detail, building skills, patience and hence the results far surpass mine :)
Viewers otta take time to visually explore pictures and absorb details.
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Looks great.
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Dun da da da,da its finished
I will post better pics tomorrow but here she is.
I few suggestions for anyone building this, don't glue the trumpets on the angels on the stern till the kit is finished( cant count the number of times I've knocked them off). do not glue the side railings on till the end they were constantly getting in the way making it difficult on numerous occasions, and most annoyingly including the rigging stage, I know you tie some of the rigging off onto it but you could always tie off to the framework some where temporarily.
other than that it is a great kit and all goes together well.
(http://i.imgur.com/wRLk78m.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kvbeIVE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/crX8ISY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hJyliZX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QsQCEKq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5oQ6MbU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kb1DMpc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/E9zId5r.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/odXvak1.jpg)
I would like to thank everyone for keeping me motivated on this kit, as without you I would have given up at the first hurdle.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/loganov/belongsinamuseum.gif~original)
Cheers,
Logan
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What will probably happen is it will end up in a plastic bag till my next Ipms rivenhalls meeting then go in the spares drawer or the bin, you are very kind with your comment but it certainly is not museum quality.
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Cheers,
Logan
Agree fully!
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Marcus Brody agrees with you.
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/1/1e/IJLC-P38a.jpg/601px-IJLC-P38a.jpg)
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That is an absolutely gorgeous piece of work and I'll add my voice to the "That belongs in a museum" chorus.
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Hi all heres some better pics.
this kit is sold in thousands and I've seen far better examples, a museum would not be interested in a model kit, only scratch built kits, and they would need to be far more accurate than this kit.
but thanks for the compliments.
(http://i.imgur.com/6hpvLsr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jvk1Dbt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TfXzqKt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IEpAx8e.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4g8IXLN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/G9BWftf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/o0rBqKy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UgnNA9Y.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ymqeCqx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TjiNlej.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nLwUmJM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OaVl55Y.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/lELDLzB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gq9WGqh.jpg)
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Superb work, congrats finishing this to such a standard :) :) :) 8) 8) 8)
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I think its certainly worthy of a museum. The build finished out beautifully.
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Hi all just a quick update,my bosses husband said he would buy the Royal Sovereign but that this was too big was talking to him the other day and mentioned the Greenwich maritime museum said they wanted it but did not have the room, but would I resubmit it next year as they are constantly changing their displays. He told me today he will buy it (no mention of price), what would I ask for I can't keep it for a year, don't have the room (incidentally i told my boss I had got the Airfix Wasa off ebay and she wants me to build that for her. Actually as I was typing this he came up they've both gone for £400.00 I am well chuffed, I'm sure I could have got more but hey, two models out of the way and money for more, still have to finish the Sovriegn, and of course, start a finish the Wasa, I love modeling
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Congrats!
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Well done, kp!
Love all the gilding on the details!
Talk about a build with bling!
Brian da Basher
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Hi all well getting this one back in a sorry state, went down to feed the birds and empty the bins this morning. Rolf tried to take it to his house in frinton yesterday, didn't even get it out of the hall broke lots of oars off the anchor post lots of railings, a lot of the rigging is slack so he's busted something there as well, he thinks I will just go down with a tube of superglue and stick it all back on, not that simple a lot of the guilding was pulled off when the oars and railings came off so that will have to be redone(a real pain as lots of bits were stuck on after the guilding ) I will take some pics when I get it home.
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Ok so I've reguilded the damaged guilding and the actual damage is not as bad as I feared the worst bit being he broke one of the side arms off and I cant find it anywhere os will have to try and scratch one(those canons are tiny, maybe a stretched sprue or a matchstick in the lathe, it's also now missing one of the flags (which I also cant find) nothing I can do about that so will just touch up the paint where it was snapped off .
here is the damage.
(http://i.imgur.com/4WHVjVF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/n0c9NGh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/V4lxUJX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zqKGbPM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/mGcscaf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3apDb2t.jpg)
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Hi all well shes back to her former self (lets see if he breaks it again, I may have to charge next time)
(http://i.imgur.com/3FnJvZs.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XOiOC64.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tK4xYo6.jpg)