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Offline Lrrr

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Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« on: September 25, 2017, 04:01:37 AM »
Since I don't see very many reviews / builds of this paper project, thought I'd give it a go.  Specs on this project I find more promising than the much more reviewed Ta-400 that came 2 years later.  Yet another opportunity missed due to lack of resources/foresight, if indeed the Luftwaffe would eventually find the need for a long-range maritime bomber to replace the Fw 200.   

Credit: Luft46
 Focke-Wulf Fw 261 (0310225)   

Crew           7-9
Span       40 m         131' 3"   
Length         26.78 m        87' 10"   
Height          6.35 m     20' 10"   
Wing Area         187 m²       2013 ft²
Empty Weight        26760 kg       58995 lbs   
Bomb load     3000 kg         6614 lbs   
Flying Weight       50000 kg         110230 lbs
Ceiling        9600 m        31496'   
Range         9000 km @ 380 km/h          5593 miles @ 236 mph






If it helps I didn't choose the paint in what is now my 'office'    ::)


My mods/ WHIF backstory:  this was a third entry in to the 'Ural bomber' program.  Not accepted at first but design resurrected in 1941 for maritime bomber.  So same 'implementation' timeline as original, but with slightly older design.  Once it finally enters (restricted production) it is a beast due to being overengineered for the 30s (see engines).

As such, some 1920/30s holdovers make their way to production in 1940s: 

Landing gear:
Double main tail dragger

Armament: 
2x 13.2mm TuF Gast guns in individual nose turrets
4x 20mm MG c/30 in dorsal and ventral turrets
2x MG FF in tail turret

Engines:
4 x Argus As 5  94L 24 cylinder X-engine tested in 1929 @ 1500hp.  2500 hp (1936 competition) 3500hp (1943 production)

Only competitor in Ural Bomber flyoff with an enormous wing strong enough to carry the 4 massive engines.  Only other aircraft to consider are Junkers G.38 (though Junkers stubbornly refused to use anything but Junkers engines) and He 177.  Development primarily in He 177 as alternative to DB 606, though gets same bad rap from RLM as 'welded together' being a 'double-W', and thus DB 606 remains main engine until FW 261 revived. 
*(Daimler partially contributes to this political scheming, though Daimler's criticism was somewhat absurd considering the As 5 used a common crankshaft and was thus lighter than the Db 606 gearbox, but the damage was done politically).

Key selling point to revival being short fuselage of a 'boom' design considered to make pressurization easier.  Seen as attractive replacement for FW 200 due to extensive range at higher altitude and speed.  One flaw in the boom design relative to the Me 264 was the short bomb bay would be incapable of carrying what was estimated to be the size of a potential future doomsday weapon.  Thus, the ME 264 got the green light for long-range bomber and FW 261 was relegated to maritime scouting / bombing, a role it excelled at relative to its predecessor, the FW 200.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2017, 08:18:30 PM by Lrrr »

Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 05:43:47 AM »
Good evening,

Wow... Impressive  :o  !!!

Why didn't you add any marking ?

Frederic

Offline elmayerle

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Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 11:54:57 AM »
Beautiful!!  Really that short bomb bay could be stretched by stretching, fore and aft, the center fuselage pod.  I suspect that was just an excuse to justify bureaucratic prejudice against this design.

Offline Lrrr

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Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 08:38:44 PM »
Good evening,

Wow... Impressive  :o  !!!

Why didn't you add any marking ?

Frederic

Still deciding if I have the preferred markings for it. 

Thank you!   

Offline Lrrr

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Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 08:40:44 PM »
Beautiful!!  Really that short bomb bay could be stretched by stretching, fore and aft, the center fuselage pod.  I suspect that was just an excuse to justify bureaucratic prejudice against this design.

Agree.  I was going for an alternate timeline that still resulted in some other designs being build / history not changed all that much and with the Germans, politics usually makes that easy in the backstory. 

Thanks!

Offline Tophe

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Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 11:47:06 PM »
Very beautiful twin-boomer! Is it available as a kit? (which scale?) or is this scratchbuild?
Anyway: congratulations! :-*

Offline Lrrr

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Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2017, 01:25:38 AM »
Thanks!

This is Antares Models 1:144 kit that came as a 5-plane pack of 'German Twin Boom Designs'.  This was the feature aircraft since only 4-engine bomber in the box and much larger.

My review of the kit itself:
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2053.msg131116#msg131116

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Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2017, 04:54:10 AM »
That's very neat and quite an introduction, Lrrr!


Welcome to BtS it looks like you'll fit in well here!

Brian da Basher

Offline finsrin

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Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2017, 10:59:11 AM »
A different build-configuration.  Much to like here. :smiley:
Inspiring to ponder sorta similar 1/72 bomber or transport kit bash.

Offline KiwiZac

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Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2017, 03:36:35 AM »
I like it! I also like the idea of a Condor replacement - although that was a very elegant aircraft it had its issues in Luftwaffe use, so this makes perfect sense.
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Offline pigflyer

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Re: Focke-Wulf : Fw 261
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2017, 08:28:27 PM »
Superb invention, very much in keeping with the period and yet advanced for its time.  Like it!   :smiley:
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