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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Other => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on September 05, 2015, 05:53:33 AM

Title: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 05, 2015, 05:53:33 AM
Here I was thinking the RAAF had gone crazy with their newish camouflaged uniforms (so glad I am no longer in...):

(http://www.airforce.gov.au/imgs/RAAF-GPU.png)

Then I see the schemes on some Chinese military vehicles:

(http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/45/91/00029145_medium.jpeg)
(http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/fc/90/000290fc_medium.jpeg)
(http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/1a/91/0002911a_big.jpeg)
(http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/46/91/00029146_big.jpeg)

I have to ask:  Why even bother?
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Kerick on September 05, 2015, 10:42:50 AM
This whole digital camo thing has gotten completely out of hand. Plus the colors on the Chinese vehicles and the uniform don't make any sense.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: finsrin on September 05, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
Wonder how digital type camo would look on unlikely subject such as:  Spad, Betty, Vampire, M3 Lee, Elco PT boat, you name it.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 06, 2015, 04:29:50 AM
This whole digital camo thing has gotten completely out of hand. Plus the colors on the Chinese vehicles and the uniform don't make any sense.

I don't have a problem with the so-called "digital camoflage", especially when one sees how well it can work.  The colours though... ;D
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: dy031101 on September 06, 2015, 10:17:20 AM
The colours though... ;D

They are the parade colours of PLA's naval branches (PLAN and PLA Naval Infantry a.k.a. PLAMC).
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 01, 2016, 03:39:27 AM
Not as bad as the blues shown above but still weird:

(http://67.media.tumblr.com/2c6a92dc25febd7f752ec55f04fd4f87/tumblr_n415nbCbTp1txx6x7o8_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: LemonJello on June 01, 2016, 03:43:25 AM
Not as bad as the blues shown above but still weird:

([url]http://67.media.tumblr.com/2c6a92dc25febd7f752ec55f04fd4f87/tumblr_n415nbCbTp1txx6x7o8_1280.jpg[/url])


If it meant I could have a 1/48 plastic kit of the Cheyenne, I'd paint it exactly like that...
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 01, 2016, 03:44:44 AM
I'm with you there!
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 26, 2016, 05:39:44 AM
Not necessarily weird but certainly eye opening:

(https://milinme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/qaf-3417-copie.jpg)
(https://milinme.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/qaf-3418-copie1.jpg)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: upnorth on March 13, 2017, 05:27:29 PM
This is digital camo done better:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/Airpower%202013/IMG_0842_zpsc72e9b98.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/cancze/media/Airpower%202013/IMG_0842_zpsc72e9b98.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 15, 2017, 04:24:57 AM
Thank you for sharing  :)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: upnorth on March 15, 2017, 03:27:01 PM
Glad you like it, here's a few more for you:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/NATO%20Day%202011/DSCF6379.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/cancze/media/NATO%20Day%202011/DSCF6379.jpg.html)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/NATO%20Day%202011/DSCF6380.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/cancze/media/NATO%20Day%202011/DSCF6380.jpg.html)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e59/cancze/NATO%20Day%202011/DSCF6381.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/user/cancze/media/NATO%20Day%202011/DSCF6381.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Old Wombat on March 15, 2017, 08:56:32 PM
Ah, it's Slovak! :)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: aerospacer on March 19, 2017, 07:50:36 AM
I always wonder whether a "digital" camo based on hexagon rather than square "pixels" (essentially Lozenge 2.0) would look more natural...

Martin
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 01, 2017, 05:10:59 AM
Not so much weird as basic (it don't get much more basic than this):

(https://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/c6/5d/00045dc6_big.jpeg)

Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: aerospacer on May 06, 2017, 02:02:33 PM
I'd be really curious as to what exactly the advantages of pixellated camo as opposed to free hand feathered patterns are supposed to be - to me it seems like a whole lot masking/taping effort for producing unnatural hard rectangular edges. I could see a theoretical advantage in urban settings, but then again the pattern resolution might be too irregular to provide any advantage. What gives?

Martin
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Old Wombat on May 06, 2017, 07:30:20 PM
At a distance the pixelation tends to blur & the blending of the colours is very smooth, & the colours tend to blend into the background better - don't ask me why but that's what many of the in-flight photo's I've seen show.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 07, 2017, 03:43:00 AM
I'd be really curious as to what exactly the advantages of pixellated camo as opposed to free hand feathered patterns are supposed to be - to me it seems like a whole lot masking/taping effort for producing unnatural hard rectangular edges. I could see a theoretical advantage in urban settings, but then again the pattern resolution might be too irregular to provide any advantage. What gives?


It is actually quite effective when you see it in use - though I often wonder why we bother with visual camouflage on some airborne platforms these days.  There is science behind it, but in short the purpose of the digitized pattern is to create visual "noise" and prevent the eye from identifying any visual templates. The pattern is intended to not register as any particular shape or pattern that could be distinguished.  It is a far more effective camouflage than standard uniform patterns because it mimics the dappled textures and rough boundaries found in natural settings.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Klown on June 01, 2017, 09:10:30 AM


Then I see the schemes on some Chinese military vehicles:

([url]http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/45/91/00029145_medium.jpeg[/url])
([url]http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/fc/90/000290fc_medium.jpeg[/url])
([url]http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/1a/91/0002911a_big.jpeg[/url])
([url]http://pix.avaxnews.com/avaxnews/46/91/00029146_big.jpeg[/url])

I have to ask:  Why even bother?


Probably just my sense of humour, but to me it looks like they are preparing for war against Legoland.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: The Big Gimper on June 01, 2017, 09:40:05 AM
Tesla is now in the game:

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0196/5170/files/Screen_Shot_2017-05-29_at_12.36.29_PM_grande.png?v=1496077343)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0196/5170/files/Screen_Shot_2017-05-29_at_12.37.03_PM_grande.png?v=1496077144)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0196/5170/files/Screen_Shot_2017-05-29_at_4.08.55_PM_grande.png?v=1496088580)

Yesterday (May 30th), SS Customs released official photos of a "Special Ops" project it's doing in conjunction with Tesla. They've created an all-new camouflage Tesla Model S and unveiled it this Memorial Day. To pay tribute, SS Customs wrote, "Our debt to the heroic men and valiant women in the service of our country can never be repaid. They have earned our undying gratitude. America will never forget their sacrifices. From all of us at SS Customs, we wish you a safe and pleasant Memorial Day."

Full story and more photos here: https://evannex.com/blogs/news/tesla-pays-tribute-on-memorial-day-with-all-new-camouflage-model-s-gallery (https://evannex.com/blogs/news/tesla-pays-tribute-on-memorial-day-with-all-new-camouflage-model-s-gallery)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 31, 2020, 04:27:53 AM
(https://www.thedrive.com/content/2020/10/3253253f.jpg?quality=85&width=1920&quality=70)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElfQp-LX0AIhvHc?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElfQqJ2X0AAKWO_?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElfQqYJXYAAoR6a?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElfQqldWMAAQaIX?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1604011468645-fg_3779456-jdw-8755.jpg?quality=60)


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37349/taiwan-disguises-armored-vehicles-as-cranes-and-scrapheaps-during-urban-warfare-maneuvers (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37349/taiwan-disguises-armored-vehicles-as-cranes-and-scrapheaps-during-urban-warfare-maneuvers)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Frank3k on October 31, 2020, 06:43:59 AM
I'd like to see modern camo to fool both IR and AI controlled sensors.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Kerick on October 31, 2020, 10:02:33 AM
I was in Korea for Team Spirit quite a while ago and a National Guard unit didn’t bring Camo nets. Well this freaked out the regular Army. To solve the problem, since the were parked in an industrial area, they went out and bought all the blue plastic tarps in town. Once they were done you couldn’t tell what was under the tarps and it blended right in with the industrial surroundings. It’s all about the surroundings you are trying to blend in with.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Old Wombat on October 31, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
Remember: If your enemy takes 2 seconds longer to react to you than you do to them, they're the dead ones, not you.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: M.A.D on October 31, 2020, 12:30:44 PM
Remember: If your enemy takes 2 seconds longer to react to you than you do to them, they're the dead ones, not you.

Good point!!

MAD
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 07, 2021, 03:06:56 AM
Not really camouflage but it probably fits best in this thread:

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/20210106_113745-jpg.607819/)

Ceramic Armour  ;)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Old Wombat on January 07, 2021, 10:07:50 PM
A tank in a china shop? ???
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 17, 2021, 02:31:38 AM
(https://aw.my.games/sites/aw.my.com/files/u183517/japan_2.jpg)

(https://aw.my.games/sites/aw.my.com/files/u183517/japan_1_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: apophenia on May 28, 2021, 06:29:44 AM
I missed this before...

I like the vertical stripes on the upper Type 90. A simple technique with strips of white tape but it would break up the outline from a distance. I'm less sure about the effectiveness of all those white dots  :-\
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 29, 2021, 02:31:09 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f2/57/c8/f257c880277e92dbe41bb99c3b789cb4.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/c6/fa/a9c6fa20381ae6e888f7b24fd8e8e0fa.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/32/d7/8f/32d78f3fdf4309743eb883535002a5b9.jpg)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 29, 2021, 02:32:49 AM
(https://external-preview.redd.it/csLrbNj-CLikckjQ4Zra8CdWNlbJVwUiMebgjwaVzBg.jpg?auto=webp&s=4cc79740102be1e99d92072cfe0b268e43367d9c)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Frank3k on May 29, 2021, 02:57:41 AM
Just add some reds, blues and yellows and you have a Mondrian painting!
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: ericr on May 29, 2021, 03:24:01 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 04, 2021, 02:41:49 AM
My eyes hurt after looking at this one:

(https://media-exp3.licdn.com/dms/image/C4D22AQGtUnvoy9NCVA/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1625249457874?e=1628121600&v=beta&t=FMh-TZmd8SCAkxhaPd4l2SYJ3yzmPMHf-zHDPQshfak)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: apophenia on July 04, 2021, 03:22:34 AM
My eyes hurt after looking at this one:

Ouch! New camouflage approach? Something like" "I'm not sure what that is but I know that I don't want to look at it for long!'  :o
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 04, 2021, 03:26:42 AM
I wonder when they expect the painter(s) to get out of therapy after masking it?
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: apophenia on July 04, 2021, 03:37:31 AM
I wonder when they expect the painter(s) to get out of therapy after masking it?

Probably depends upon how long the seeing-eye guide dog training and orientation takes ...
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Mig Eater on July 04, 2021, 05:42:32 AM
Here is a unusual Centurion tank that was pained in an aquatic scheme for a parade the invasion of Atlantis :P
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Kerick on July 04, 2021, 06:36:24 AM
My eyes hurt after looking at this one:

(https://media-exp3.licdn.com/dms/image/C4D22AQGtUnvoy9NCVA/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1625249457874?e=1628121600&v=beta&t=FMh-TZmd8SCAkxhaPd4l2SYJ3yzmPMHf-zHDPQshfak)

Dazzle meets digital!!
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Frank3k on July 04, 2021, 10:01:41 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if this camo is /will be designed to fool not humans, but some of the neural nets used by AIs for image recognition: Why deep-learning AIs are so easy to fool (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03013-5)

DEFAULT ANSWER: CAT
  DETAILED ANALYSIS: VERY FAST CAT. AT 35000 FT, 1200KTS. FRIEND! I LOVE CATS!
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: apophenia on July 16, 2021, 08:40:07 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if this camo is /will be designed to fool not humans, but some of the neural nets used by AIs for image recognition: Why deep-learning AIs are so easy to fool (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03013-5)

I thought I had responded to this before ... but I didn't  :-[  Just wanted to say 'Great Link!', thanks for posting.

DEFAULT ANSWER: CAT
  DETAILED ANALYSIS: VERY FAST CAT. AT 35000 FT, 1200KTS. FRIEND! I LOVE CATS!

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: kim margosein on July 20, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
Just have the IFF interrogator make the AI identify each picture with a traffic light.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 21, 2021, 03:09:36 AM
Does this count?

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/heezv8ldqls-jpg.638513/)
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: apophenia on August 22, 2021, 02:47:42 AM
Does this count?

Packing tape camo? Hey, I guess it breaks up the outline  :smiley:
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: arkon on January 13, 2022, 11:52:00 PM
Found on FB.
Would like to see how the wings were done and what colors were used.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Story on January 14, 2022, 11:33:50 AM
  (so glad I am no longer in...):

1) This *may* translate from American
https://www.amazon.com/Woobie-DD-214-Poncho-Liner-Blanket/dp/B09LF61YQF/ref=asc_df_B09LF61YQF/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=563581322859&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15708662571380322788&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9007322&hvtargid=pla-1492438254461&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Woobie-DD-214-Poncho-Liner-Blanket/dp/B09LF61YQF/ref=asc_df_B09LF61YQF/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=563581322859&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15708662571380322788&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9007322&hvtargid=pla-1492438254461&psc=1)

2) You're welcome

3) Threadjacker 2022 complete. You may now carry on.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Kerick on January 14, 2022, 11:58:01 AM
Does this count?

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/heezv8ldqls-jpg.638513/)

It's on its way to the next paint shop in the process to get the next color applied. Then it gets sent to another completely different contractor to get the tape removed. Government efficiency in action.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: arkon on January 20, 2022, 10:54:33 PM
Found on Facebook
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Kerick on January 21, 2022, 09:41:40 AM
Knit your own tank…..
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: raafif on January 24, 2022, 05:03:23 AM
This zig-zag was really considered ... 1914-1918 scale model in Bovington museum.
Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Story on January 30, 2022, 04:46:11 AM
Found on FB.
Would like to see how the wings were done and what colors were used.

Imagine an entire Squadron of Dadaists, who fear nothing.
https://magazine.artland.com/what-is-dadaism/ (https://magazine.artland.com/what-is-dadaism/)

I went looking for the wings and found nothing - NOTHING, Lebowski! I did self-educate about Oxford Ness.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25145170 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-25145170)

and Edward Wadsworth
https://www.flashpointmag.com/blast_dazzleships_wadsworth.htm (https://www.flashpointmag.com/blast_dazzleships_wadsworth.htm)

Considering the number of scale models illustrated in the link above, perhaps that plane was like most of *OUR* projects and...

uncompleted (https://c.tenor.com/0tX5k3RsG0IAAAAC/dr-evil-laugh.gif)

Title: Re: Weird Camouflage
Post by: Story on January 30, 2022, 04:58:57 AM
WW2
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/7e/2c/81/7e2c810c122ae4ad58e7a0b741e5796d.jpg)

WW1 - the path to blacker than black
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIVO (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIVO)

Fast forward https://news.mit.edu/2019/blackest-black-material-cnt-0913 (https://news.mit.edu/2019/blackest-black-material-cnt-0913)

So, for your next AURORA spy plane build why not try
https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/black-3-0-the-worlds-blackest-black-acrylic-paint-150ml?gclid=Cj0KCQiA6NOPBhCPARIsAHAy2zAeHn4xfdrTrR1_v5TzoIXtqqrxdpR4CanpDjPJvuIXvU28vAwzw8waAvyXEALw_wcB (https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/black-3-0-the-worlds-blackest-black-acrylic-paint-150ml?gclid=Cj0KCQiA6NOPBhCPARIsAHAy2zAeHn4xfdrTrR1_v5TzoIXtqqrxdpR4CanpDjPJvuIXvU28vAwzw8waAvyXEALw_wcB)