Author Topic: 1/48 Sea Beau  (Read 36955 times)

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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2018, 08:19:58 AM »
Man, those panel lines... :(

Yeah! just horrible -- and German style tires (tyres)   ???  not seen any photos of any Brit aircraft that had tires like that during the war.

Can't say I'm a fan of the over-worked panel lines but the tyres look like the kit supplied parts & the resin bulgies I have.

Actually, it's the tyres that are concerning me with my build at the moment.

What I have are the regular Beaufighter tyres, which are the round-walled, soft-sided tyres used for land operations. I'm wondering whether I should find some straighter-sided, hard-wall tyres for naval operations & I've had a bit of a look but everything I can find for naval aircraft of a similar vintage (right up to the Tracker) have a smaller diameter than the Beaufighter tyres.

Any suggestions? Otherwise I'll just have a go at modifying the kit wheels, unless I get lazy & just go with the kit wheels as they are (I won't be using the resin bulgies on this build because the bulge is very wide & shows the tyres must have been quite soft).
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2018, 09:28:04 AM »

 but the tyres look like the kit supplied parts & the resin bulgies I have.


not sure why (see below)



Actually, it's the tyres that are concerning me with my build at the moment.

What I have are the regular Beaufighter tyres, which are the round-walled, soft-sided tyres used for land operations. I'm wondering whether I should find some straighter-sided, hard-wall tyres for naval operations & I've had a bit of a look but everything I can find for naval aircraft of a similar vintage (right up to the Tracker) have a smaller diameter than the Beaufighter tyres.

Any suggestions? Otherwise I'll just have a go at modifying the kit wheels, unless I get lazy & just go with the kit wheels as they are (I won't be using the resin bulgies on this build because the bulge is very wide & shows the tyres must have been quite soft).

What diameter are they Guy ?
« Last Edit: November 28, 2018, 09:39:14 AM by kitnut617 »

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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2018, 09:39:33 AM »
23mm or a touch over 7/8"

So, converted to RW; 80.5cm or 31.4"(+/-)
« Last Edit: November 28, 2018, 09:42:50 AM by Old Wombat »
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2018, 09:43:55 AM »
Sorry, I can't help there, I forgot this is 1/48 and I was going to suggest using something in that scale if it was a 1/72 kit. For my Sabre Mosquito I had made up some wheels which were to be as big as a B-25 wheel

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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2018, 09:47:03 AM »
All good! :smiley:

Mind you, the photo you posted is good! It made me realise how over-scale the upper undercarriage parts are on the kit, which works in my favour, as I don't have to bulk them up for naval op's! 8)
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #30 on: November 28, 2018, 10:57:24 AM »

 but the tyres look like the kit supplied parts & the resin bulgies I have.


not sure why (see below)



Actually, it's the tyres that are concerning me with my build at the moment.

What I have are the regular Beaufighter tyres, which are the round-walled, soft-sided tyres used for land operations. I'm wondering whether I should find some straighter-sided, hard-wall tyres for naval operations & I've had a bit of a look but everything I can find for naval aircraft of a similar vintage (right up to the Tracker) have a smaller diameter than the Beaufighter tyres.

Any suggestions? Otherwise I'll just have a go at modifying the kit wheels, unless I get lazy & just go with the kit wheels as they are (I won't be using the resin bulgies on this build because the bulge is very wide & shows the tyres must have been quite soft).

What diameter are they Guy ?

Those tires look like you could twist them around and make animal shapes out of them!! Did these aircraft have to land and take off in a marsh?
« Last Edit: November 28, 2018, 12:35:24 PM by kerick »

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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #31 on: November 28, 2018, 11:20:03 AM »
Brit's tended to use low-pressure tyres for land-based aircraft as it allowed them to operate from grass/unprepared airstrips, where the spread of the tyres reduced ground pressure & stopped the aircraft sinking into the ground ... & the Beaufighter was a heavy beastie!

High-pressure tyres require a solid (concrete) runway for land-based op's, limiting where they could be used (during WW2) but are preferable for carrier op's when slamming onto a deck, when low-pressure tyres could "bottom out" & be damaged/blown out.
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2018, 04:46:06 PM »
Waiting for "Home & Away" to finish, so I can venture back out to the modelling site.

Should be able to get the detailing work done to the decal stage, minus the Eduard 1/48 Ammo Belts 12.7mm which are working their way towards me via AusPost.
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2018, 01:21:22 AM »
High-pressure tyres require a solid (concrete) runway for land-based op's, limiting where they could be used (during WW2) but are preferable for carrier op's when slamming onto a deck, when low-pressure tyres could "bottom out" & be damaged/blown out.
Because you're considering high pressure tires, they could be considerably smaller than the low pressure originals. There's no need to keep them the same diameter, in fact, it's probably more realistic if you end up with smaller diameter and/or narrower high pressure tires. That's one of the reasons that they keep jacking up tire pressure, to get the wheel and tires sizes down and save weight and stowage space.

A Skyraider is approximately the same weight so those wheels, for carrier use, would be about right. Get y'self a pair o' Spad wheels, that'll do the trick.

 :smiley:

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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2018, 03:55:57 AM »
Or DH Hornet wheels
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2018, 11:30:30 AM »
It's taken a bit longer than planned but that's normal.

Here are the internal mod's done so far. Still waiting on ammo belts & .50cal MG, whilst wondering if I should fork out for some resin seats.









A bit rough & spectacularly inaccurate but suitable for "busying up" the inside.


Cheers! :icon_beer:
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2018, 06:15:10 PM »
The interior of your navalised Beaufighter is inaccurate?  ;D
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2018, 06:35:36 PM »
Yep! ;)
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2018, 11:35:48 AM »
Started working on the wing fold system ... This could take a while! :-\
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2018, 02:23:55 PM »
Interior is miiighty fine.
Wing fold system --- more power to you.  Seems like severe plastic punishment.  Speaking from experience cuz put myself thru plenty of that.

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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2018, 09:17:08 PM »
Thanks, Bill! :smiley:
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2018, 02:58:43 PM »
[sound of wind whistling by at high speed]

Old Wombat:     So far, so good!
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2018, 08:41:16 AM »
This is where I'm at with the wing folds.

Inner wing sections a couple of moves short of done. I have the connections for the outer wing hydraulics & electricals to fit & the tube support for the inner section of the hydraulic ram (the bit that holds the outer wing up when finished).



Once they're done it's on to the outer wings.


Thanks for lookin'! :thumbsup:
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2018, 01:29:03 PM »
That inner wing detail is most impressive! 
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2018, 05:04:17 PM »
Thanks, Jeff! :icon_alabanza:
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2018, 08:55:41 PM »
I agree, impressive detail, I think when you'll paint them they'll look the part

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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2018, 09:46:29 PM »
That inner wing detail is most impressive!

Totally agree ----- and very interested in what you come up for the hinge itself ----

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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2018, 11:16:28 PM »
the tube support for the inner section of the hydraulic ram (the bit that holds the outer wing up when finished).
This is looking very good.

You might want to consider adding a mechanical stay brace as well as the ram, either in the wing fold area or between the wing and a hardpoint on the fuselage/wing, somewhere. Frequently wing folds have a ground-installed stay to support the wing in case pressure comes off the hydraulic system (or to allow you to purposely reduce hydraulics pressure on the ground to save weight in valves and actuators, etc.).

Just a thought from an aerospace engineering pedant.  ;D

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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2018, 12:20:16 AM »
the tube support for the inner section of the hydraulic ram (the bit that holds the outer wing up when finished).

This is looking very good.

You might want to consider adding a mechanical stay brace as well as the ram, either in the wing fold area or between the wing and a hardpoint on the fuselage/wing, somewhere. Frequently wing folds have a ground-installed stay to support the wing in case pressure comes off the hydraulic system (or to allow you to purposely reduce hydraulics pressure on the ground to save weight in valves and actuators, etc.).

Just a thought from an aerospace engineering pedant.  ;D


You mean something like these?



Well aware, having put a few in place in my time. ;)
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Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2018, 12:23:34 AM »
That inner wing detail is most impressive!

Totally agree ----- and very interested in what you come up for the hinge itself ----

The hinges or the fold mechanism? ???

The hinges are the little white bits protruding above the wings.

For the folding mechanism I'm cheating, big-time, & using the unused bits from the Tracker I chopped up to make the Grumman Grebe. ;)
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