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Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« on: October 11, 2013, 12:53:21 PM »
I am planing to build DC-7D http://www.prop-liners.com/DC7D.jpg from the DC-7 Revell kit at about 1/123.

http://calclassic.proboards.com/thread/5404/dc-7d?page=1&scrollTo=49069

Can any of you help me to conceive engine gondole shape?

Thanks
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2013, 01:18:34 PM »
For starts - Glencoe 1/96 Vickers Viscount engines & props might serve as most of what is needed.
Maybe to small.  Requires measuring.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2013, 10:54:34 PM »
He is a money making opportunity for our resin experts. We all agree on common TP model and we all order a few 100 each. 
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2013, 01:39:59 AM »
I'm looking to cross the Revell DC-7 with the engines from ther P-3 kit; the scales are close and it should be a nice look.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2013, 02:27:21 AM »
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2015, 07:27:56 AM »
Another must-build just for the JMN's at the next IPMS show.

F-86 canopy on the Kenting DC-4 CF-KAE in Gander 20 January 1973.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2015, 07:44:19 AM »
camera in the nose ... what about a prone-pilot position like the B-17 version ? ;)

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2015, 09:50:21 AM »
What was the F-86 canopy doing on top of the DC-4?

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2015, 10:24:54 AM »
What was the F-86 canopy doing on top of the DC-4?


Reminents of an airborne collision.  ;D

Canadian ice patrols.  A brief description on page 8 here
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2015, 03:59:09 AM »
I always thought those bubbles for the navigator to use his sextant were too small, this is a more convenient solution for him.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2015, 04:13:34 AM »
I always thought those bubbles for the navigator to use his sextant were too small, this is a more convenient solution for him.

Let's hope the ex-F-86 jockey did not have a control stick connected to the flight controls.   :o
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2016, 09:39:55 AM »
Odd thought: How about the Revell C-54/DC-4 with the North Star conversion in the markings of a support aircraft for an RCAF aerobatic team of the period, much like the C-54/R4D aircraft supporting the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels of the period?

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2016, 10:30:50 AM »
Evan=  I recall some guy that has a whif artwork page that has IIRC a North Star in Golden Centenaires markings.  However, I don't remember the website.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2016, 06:14:05 PM »
Evan=  I recall some guy that has a whif artwork page that has IIRC a North Star in Golden Centenaires markings.  However, I don't remember the website.


I believe that was Karl Mesojednik's work but his websites are down/missing. Anyone else have details on why?

http://www.karlsaircraftart.com
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2017, 11:46:04 AM »
I was browsing through a listing of US military aircraft and came across a couple interesting but unbuilt designs, the Douglas C-114 and C-115.  The C-114 was a C-54 powered by four Allision V1710 engines while the C-115 was a C-54 powered by four Packard V1650 engines.  I could see the North Star conversion being used to model a C-115 and perhaps something like four P-40E, or later model P-40, engines, cowlings, and props used for a C-114 (alternatively, blend in with F-82 upper cowlings and props to use later model V1710s).

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2017, 07:58:06 AM »
Or perhaps nacelles like those of the XB-38:


http://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/us/beatoxb38.htm
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2017, 08:38:33 AM »
IMHO, I think that is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2017, 12:28:22 PM »
Or perhaps nacelles like those of the XB-38:


http://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/us/beatoxb38.htm

Is that conversion available in 1/72?  Alternatively, could you perhaps use P-38 engine installations with late-model P-40 (P-40D and subsequent) radiator installations?  It almost looks like the nacelles have chin oil coolers similar to the later model P-38s with leading edge radiations between the nacelles.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2017, 02:34:49 AM »
The one shown at the link in Jon's post is 1/72.  There was also a 1/48 conversion available from Rebellion Creations (see below), though it is fairly rare (Anyone know of one, please let me know):

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2017, 05:34:37 AM »
The one shown at the link in Jon's post is 1/72.  There was also a 1/48 conversion available from Rebellion Creations (see below), though it is fairly rare (Anyone know of one, please let me know):

Personal experience with the Rebellion Creations XB-38 resin conversion.  IT IS AN ABSOLUTE PIECE OF SHIT! 

Nothing in the kit was useful.  I made the mistake of purchasing two of these conversions and have since passed along the remains to Alvis and the Howling Mouse.  Neither of them were impressed with what was in the kit and we all agreed it is money spent that could have been put towards something more interesting and useful. 

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2017, 11:08:29 PM »
IMHO, I think that is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever

Isn't though! It just screams Art Deco.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2017, 01:54:54 AM »
IMHO, I think that is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever

Isn't though! It just screams Art Deco.

Absolutely nothing 'Art Deco' about it, Deco was all about straightlines and applied decoration.
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2017, 02:44:40 AM »
Subtle whiff:  what about a DC-4 taildragger?
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2017, 07:04:52 AM »
Subtle whiff:  what about a DC-4 taildragger?

Yeah! like an Avro Tudor --- like that idea Greg  :) :) :)

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2017, 12:36:38 PM »
Twin tail DC-7


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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2017, 11:07:09 PM »
Twin tail DC-7



Nice!  How about a triple tail like the original DC-4E prototype?

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2017, 06:34:19 AM »

Absolutely nothing 'Art Deco' about it, Deco was all about straightlines and applied decoration.

Wrong. Think Art Deco of the 30's, when this aircraft was made, and you'll find it fits the style perfectly.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2017, 08:57:59 AM »

Absolutely nothing 'Art Deco' about it, Deco was all about straightlines and applied decoration.

Wrong. Think Art Deco of the 30's, when this aircraft was made, and you'll find it fits the style perfectly.

Wrong, you're conflating Streamline design styling of the '30s with Art Deco which was of the 1920s.
Anyhow, Streamline as a style is not applicable to aircraft as it was a design motif inspired by the aviation
industry engineering and aerodynamics, aircraft were not, and are not, styled in the of automotive styling.
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2017, 11:38:09 AM »
I'm not confusing anything; streamline is a school of Art Deco.


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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2017, 04:26:25 AM »
DC-4ski with Soviet rough field undercarriage and engines.
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2020, 04:03:37 AM »
Apply DC-4M conversion to a DC-6 for a DC-6M?  Markings could be either RCAF or one of the Canada-based airlines.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2020, 04:34:27 AM »
Apply DC-4M conversion to a DC-6 for a DC-6M?  Markings could be either RCAF or one of the Canada-based airlines.

I've been thinking more of a DC-6G, using Shackleton nacelles. 'Course it would have to have the contra-props too -- right   ;)

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2020, 08:13:26 AM »
But, of course.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #33 on: February 29, 2024, 01:33:01 AM »
Random idea:  DC-4 given BT-67 style conversion with 4 x PT6As (though I would probably go for the big PT6A-67F variant rather than the PT6A-67R used there)
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #34 on: February 29, 2024, 04:30:35 AM »
Random idea:  DC-4 given BT-67 style conversion with 4 x PT6As (though I would probably go for the big PT6A-67F variant rather than the PT6A-67R used there)

Group build idea.   Engine swaps.

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2024, 12:40:57 AM »
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2024, 01:22:44 AM »
I have Formaplane ATL 98 Carvair.

Replace the wings with those from a Heller DC-6/C-118 kit. Kit is easy to find. Makes the kit an easier build as well.
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2024, 06:24:07 AM »
Mate Carvair nose to DC-6 as a "Carvair II"?  A similar exercise with the DC-7 as a "Carvair III"?

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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2024, 07:46:09 AM »
Mate Carvair nose to DC-6 as a "Carvair II"?  A similar exercise with the DC-7 as a "Carvair III"?

Nice. May I use your idea?

With a DC-8, it becomes the Carvair IV!   ;D
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Re: Douglas DC-4, DC-6 and DC-7
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2024, 03:44:15 PM »
Mate Carvair nose to DC-6 as a "Carvair II"?  A similar exercise with the DC-7 as a "Carvair III"?

Nice. May I use your idea?

With a DC-8, it becomes the Carvair IV!   ;D
By all means, feel free to use these ideas.  I certainly won't have the opportunity to use them.