Time for some Dragon Dreaming (looking in your direction Russ ;)(. Let's see your Saab Draken Ideas and Inspiration.
Regards,
Greg
RCAF. Painted similar to te Avro Arrow prototypes. Piloted by Hoser MacKenzie.
J35 Mod 4 proposal, canards, new enlarged outer wings, full strike suite:
[url]http://www.airvectors.net/avj35.html#m4[/url] ([url]http://www.airvectors.net/avj35.html#m4[/url])
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... and yes Daryl it was to include anti-ship missile capability. ;)
Wouldn't a small canard been plenty? The Draken can toss itself through the sky pretty decently already. ;DI could go with the small canard in a fixed installation rather than a retractable one as proposed. Add the dogtooth and wingtip IRAAM rails (Sidewinder or equivalent - could see a late one with IRIS-T missiles or ASRAAMs).
The dog tooth....will remember that one. Thanks! :)
What advantage would the F-105-style intakes offer? Apart from the handsome rakish cosmetic value that is.Well, it's a variable inlet as opposed to the plain pitot inlet the Draken has. Beyond that, yes, it definitely has aesthetic appeal.
Can't give you a list that they tried to sell to, but here is some info on those who showed interest:And then they ended up putting the Draken avionics and missiles with their Mirages (ISTR that they are the only nation that used a Falcon missile variant on the Mirage).
Switzerland: When Switzerland cancelled its P-16 in 1958 they started looking around for a possible purchase. Draken and Mirage III were the main alternatives, in 1961 they choose Mirage. The Swiss variant would have been designated 35H.
They ended up putting the Draken avionics and missiles with their Mirages (ISTR that they are the only nation that used a Falcon missile variant on the Mirage).
They ended up putting the Draken avionics and missiles with their Mirages (ISTR that they are the only nation that used a Falcon missile variant on the Mirage).
Not quite. They added US missiles to a French aircraft and the result was not a marriage made in heaven by all accounts. The missiles did not want to play with the French radar (or vice-a-versa). I've never quite understand why they went with the Falcon. It was not a terribly reliable missile, in either it's radar or IR guided versions and was much better suited to being used against bombers rather than fighters in a dogfight (as the USAF discovered in Vietnam). IIRC it took them an inordinate amount of time to get them working. I've often wondered about that decision and I've often wondered if the Swedes had a similar experience with the Falcon?
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Interesting. More details?
Some Draken studies. First one tempts me. 8)
Speaking of the canards, what would have been their purpose? "Whiskers" to stabilize high-speed low-level flight? (Would go well together with that strike-oriented "fit".) They do seem to be a bit on the small side to be vortex generators/high-lift devices Viggen style. Then again, since the drawing and Googleing indicates they intended to keep the one cannon and the whiskers would block the firing line when extended, that would hint at a landing/take-off aid?
Speaking of the canards, what would have been their purpose? "Whiskers" to stabilize high-speed low-level flight? (Would go well together with that strike-oriented "fit".) They do seem to be a bit on the small side to be vortex generators/high-lift devices Viggen style. Then again, since the drawing and Googleing indicates they intended to keep the one cannon and the whiskers would block the firing line when extended, that would hint at a landing/take-off aid?
I have read they were to aid manoeuvrability though I suspect this could be the writers falling into the all to common trap of "canards= manoeuvrability". Given the proposed modifications were designed to allow the fighter to carry a heavy strike load (it was also to be fitted with a new strike-oriented avionics suite) and still use the BASE 90 system of distributed short airstrips, I tend to believe that the canards would have only been used on landing/takeoff and therefore definitely imply a landing/take-off aid.
I would have been interesting to see how the Draken would have performed in competition for the RAAF.
One of these is not like the others...
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Teasing...
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Whether it had short/rough field capability or not, it is a moot point if one is talking about RAAF use.
Whether it had short/rough field capability or not, it is a moot point if one is talking about RAAF use.
The average Australian country road is probably inferior to the unprepared field of most countries.
Was still cruising at 220km/h north of Alice on one of them before my wife punched me and I slowed down to 180 :P
I seriously have to do a RAAF reserve Draken, just need to decide whether it will be a hi-vis 60s machine, a 70s camo, or a 80s-90s lo-vis
Whether it had short/rough field capability or not, it is a moot point if one is talking about RAAF use.
The average Australian country road is probably inferior to the unprepared field of most countries.
<...> I seriously have to do a RAAF reserve Draken, just need to decide whether it will be a hi-vis 60s machine, a 70s camo, or a 80s-90s lo-visDo three of them, one of each :P
The boxes are too big to smuggle in through household customs :(
The boxes are too big to smuggle in through household customs :(
Can you bribe the customs officer?
This is from the last time he tried to sneak models in...
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I was looking through the IAPJ sidebar on what-if Draken variants and I noted that the J79-powered version had a shorter back end without a tail bumper. Methinks the old Revell kit, which lacks same, might be a good starting place to model such a variant.
I was looking through the IAPJ sidebar on what-if Draken variants and I noted that the J79-powered version had a shorter back end without a tail bumper. Methinks the old Revell kit, which lacks same, might be a good starting place to model such a variant.The old Revell is a whiff in a box: out of scale and absolutely filled with (recessed) rivets, so any modifications can only make it better.
Carl ! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
My take on a Draken upgrade. Mitsubishi F-1 wings. BAe Hawk horizontal stabilizers. And other goodies not yet finalized.If I may be so bold as to suggest, possibly extend the nose a bit and reshape it to take a larger radome, form something like a Phantom or even a Viggen. The Draken suffered from insufficient sensor capability at the end of it's life and a good update would be a larger, better radar and the ability to fire things like the AIM-120 or Meteor.
My take on a Draken upgrade. Mitsubishi F-1 wings. BAe Hawk horizontal stabilizers. And other goodies not yet finalized.If I may be so bold as to suggest, possibly extend the nose a bit and reshape it to take a larger radome, form something like a Phantom or even a Viggen. The Draken suffered from insufficient sensor capability at the end of it's life and a good update would be a larger, better radar and the ability to fire things like the AIM-120 or Meteor.
Change the exhaust to something like the petalled exhaust of the F-100/F-110 better performance, more range.
Just spitballin' here... :D ;)
Paul
Will it get off the ground?Only after an absurdly long takeoff run. I bet using all those hard points at one would detrimentally affect handling.
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My take on a Draken upgrade. Mitsubishi F-1 wings. BAe Hawk horizontal stabilizers. And other goodies not yet finalized.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1830/28600159807_30b2533c95_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Kzii6z)
J35Plus-03 (https://flic.kr/p/Kzii6z) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1828/28600157527_57fbd42110_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Kzihqg)
J35Plus-01 (https://flic.kr/p/Kzihqg) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/837/28600159337_e32aefc815_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KzihXt)J35Plus-02 (https://flic.kr/p/KzihXt) by Big Gimper (https://www.flickr.com/photos/21812089@N02/), on Flickr