Beyond The Sprues

Current and Finished Projects => Profiles and Pixels => Topic started by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:17:26 PM

Title: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:17:26 PM
Hello all! I'm the artist formerly known as sideshowbob9.

First off, I'd like to thank GTX for making us a new home here!

The first few posts will be the best of my previous profiles and I hope to begin posting new profiles later in the week. For reference, these works are my own from the line drawing up with the exception of the roundels, which are freely available from wikipedia, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_aircraft_insignia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_aircraft_insignia)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:33:35 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8318/7922834994_20ca9cf222.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922834994/)
Curtiss Hawk V FAB (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922834994/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7922841162_5724390cf6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922841162/)
Curtiss XP-60H USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922841162/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:42:12 PM
Grumman P-50:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8174/7922903824_ed79548e55.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922903824/)
Grumman P-50A Skyrocket USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922903824/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

IMAM Ro.51:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8311/7922885370_2a763e3610.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922885370/)
IMAM Ro.51 Slovak AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922885370/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8170/7922885066_18ea46db66.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922885066/)
IMAM Ro.51 Spanish Nationalist (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922885066/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7922884760_9c841a3ddb.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922884760/)
IMAM Ro.51 Uruguayan AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922884760/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:47:18 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/7922893492_77ef6ff90b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893492/)
Parnall Paladin I RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893492/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/7922893232_0eb0e2ce87.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893232/)
Parnall Paladin I USN Evaluation (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893232/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8462/7922892988_e3f5291a3e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922892988/)
Parnall Paladin II RN Bismark Chase (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922892988/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8448/7922893762_461685f6b9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893762/)
Fleetwings (Hall) TBH-2 Paladin USN VT-8 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893762/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7922896660_d459f1fb18.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922896660/)
Parnall Pugilist Prototype 1st Flight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922896660/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8302/7922897460_e63920aa76.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897460/)
Parnall Pugilist I RAF Nivo Green (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897460/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8436/7922897244_6973b421ea.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897244/)
Parnall Pugilist I USAAF Evaluation (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897244/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/7922897016_05f75d5d01.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897016/)
Parnall Pugilist III RAF North Africa (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897016/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:48:42 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/7922876116_5cd5b6c197.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922876116/)
Reggiane Re.2005 AM-42 VVS Red 92 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922876116/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8307/7922875784_29ce9dde59.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875784/)
Reggiane Re.2005 Croatian AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875784/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/7922875468_9cba9ebaef.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875468/)
Reggiane Re.2005 Ilmavoimat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875468/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/7922875036_3d3a86f688.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875036/)
Reggiane Re.2005E Isotta-Fraschini Epsilon USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875036/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:50:54 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/7922993744_e4e9d96fe8.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922993744/)
Republic XFN-4 Waterspout USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922993744/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7922994074_f65b15e655.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922994074/)
Republic FN-4 Waterspout USN Atlantic (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922994074/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7922994316_c8f16310e4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922994316/)
Republic FN-4 Waterspout Brazilian Navy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922994316/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8319/7923006890_e44a9db371.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923006890/)
Republic SBN-1 USMC Operation Torch (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923006890/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:52:50 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7922988606_9c674acee3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922988606/)
Republic F2N-2 Torrent USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922988606/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8030/7922988060_31f6f8634a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922988060/)
Republic F2N-2 Torrent USN In Action (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922988060/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7922987232_19330ec51f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922987232/)
Republic F2N-3 Torrent USNR (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922987232/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7922986382_b771a3ee14.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922986382/)
Republic F2N-3K Torrent USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922986382/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/7922985910_c9d58d47bf.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922985910/)
Republic F2N-5 Torrent USN VF-17 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922985910/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7922985368_626fbf67bf.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922985368/)
Republic F2N-5 Torrent USN VF-84 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922985368/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8302/7923009246_28f5ac9a04.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923009246/)
Republic SB2N-1 USN 1st Production Aircraft (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923009246/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:54:02 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8454/7922996942_a332e20eae.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922996942/)
Republic XP-43B Lancer (R-2060) USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922996942/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8303/7922997242_524304840a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922997242/)
Republic P-43A Lancer FAB (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922997242/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7923002146_9bfe9a69b3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923002146/)
Republic QP-47D Thunderbolt USAAF Operation Aphrodite (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923002146/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:55:48 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7923077012_68f5da7cc7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923077012/)
Saab SK29 Tunnan Ejército del Aire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923077012/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8440/7923079408_5b58e2f782.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079408/)
Saab J32I Lanciere AMI 4 Stormo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079408/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8445/7923079724_1ffe0c0997.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079724/)
Saab J32ECR Lanciere AMI (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079724/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/7923079094_56ca6a1a92.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079094/)
Saab J32S Lancero Ejército del Aire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079094/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:59:53 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8453/7923132716_b41244f4c7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923132716/)
Westland Warden I RN 820NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923132716/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8320/7923139434_a072fb2667.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923139434/)
Westland Wrath I RAF 151 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923139434/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8445/7923137574_2bf6f7e119.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923137574/)
Westland Wildfire RAF 19 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923137574/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/7923135580_e2bfd42df7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923135580/)
Westland Whimbrel Prototype RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923135580/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7923135852_74bceaaf17.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923135852/)
Westland Whimbrel AS.1 RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923135852/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 08:02:12 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/7923163166_4127d6c9c4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923163166/)
Short Sturgeon FB.1 RN Palestine Emergency (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923163166/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7923163632_be59c42e3c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923163632/)
Short Sturgeon FB.1 Indian Navy Goa Conflict (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923163632/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8038/7923168926_46948a3187.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923168926/)
Convair AY-4N USN VA-216 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923168926/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8442/7923166506_371df57e94.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923166506/)
Naval Aircraft Factory SBN-1 USMC Retro (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923166506/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on December 11, 2011, 11:41:21 PM
Great to see your work; keep them coming
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 12, 2011, 12:18:36 AM
That's some great stuff! I especially like the CW-40 airliner. Wouldn't mind seeing that baby in a bunch of differet liveries!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: thedarkmaster on December 12, 2011, 01:22:29 AM



Fantastic work loving the 1950's stuff, top class work  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Litvyak on December 12, 2011, 02:13:40 AM
I echo Brian's sentiment - I adore the airliner!

Might I request versions in period-correct Pacific Western and Canadian Pacific liveries?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: sotoolslinger on December 12, 2011, 07:34:58 AM
Most excellent stuff EH. Great to see you here.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 12, 2011, 08:01:28 AM
Thanks!

Litvyak, for the Pacific Western livery did you mean this one?



If not, I will probably also do the 70s blue/white Pacific Western scheme as well as they are both pretty attractive. CP Air and Avianca are both also coming up.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Litvyak on December 12, 2011, 10:07:22 AM
Oh wow, that looks great!!

Though that's not the one I was thinking of (I'd actually forgotten about that particular scheme - not even sure if I've seen it on anything besides DC-3?); I was thinking of this one:

http://www.spacemodel.com/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/B707-pwa.jpg (http://www.spacemodel.com/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/B707-pwa.jpg)

as that's my favourite of all PWAL schemes (got the decals for it for a B707, one day I'll build it...)

The other option is the overall white - http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5191696927_78a8d85b88.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5191696927_78a8d85b88.jpg) though I think that one's a little boring.

Thanks again, that looks brilliant!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: BadersBusCompany on December 12, 2011, 11:01:46 AM
Liking your stuff, some really good and inspirational ideas there.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on December 12, 2011, 11:17:57 AM
Your single-engined Whirlwind is my favourite... it would be so nice with a Spitfire, adding originality to beauty in a "Battle of Britain" film poster or something.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 13, 2011, 03:37:42 AM
Wow that looks killer in Pac. West. livery!

Any chance to see one in Allegheny colors?

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 13, 2011, 03:51:31 AM
Thanks guys!

Litvyak, I've seen that scheme on a DC-4 also. It appears to have fallen from use in the early/mid 60s, about the time I figured the Curtiss Thunderbird would enter service. Of course, in the 70s, they were seen in the more familiar colour scheme. ; )



Good call on Allegheny colours Brian! Consider it on the to-do list!

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Litvyak on December 13, 2011, 04:19:11 AM
 :in-love:  :in-love:  :in-love:

Oh, Elements, is that ever GORGEOUS!! Thank you!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on December 13, 2011, 10:05:41 AM
Since you're doing airliners, how about QANTAS or Air NZ?

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Litvyak on December 13, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
Like it? I LOVE it! Though that scheme looks great on everything...

One nitpick, if I may? The "CP Air" text should be slanted. The font looks good, so maybe just use italic variant should be enough?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 14, 2011, 04:42:55 AM
That CP Air CW 40 really showcases your talent for different liveries! Well done!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: simmie on December 14, 2011, 08:48:24 AM
May I ask for BOAC?? Love the dark blue and gold cheatline and writing.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 15, 2011, 05:31:55 AM
Thanks for the positive responses guys!

Since there are quite a few requests and this is one of my earliest line drawings that can only be overhauled so much, I've decided to re-draw it. Meet the Curtiss CW-40A Thunderbird:



Next up, Allegheny, Air NZ and BOAC.

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 15, 2011, 08:18:16 AM
Your CW-40s keep getting more and more colorful!

I'm really enjoying these! Thank you!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 15, 2011, 09:53:02 AM
Thanks Brian! Hope this is the Allegheny scheme you were after.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Litvyak on December 15, 2011, 11:26:53 AM
Loveloveloving the CW-40s!!!

Getting to the point where I don't care what livery, so long as there are more: I'm loving them all!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 15, 2011, 05:28:12 PM
If it could cook, I'd marry it! Absolutely stunning! Thank you!!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 16, 2011, 06:34:49 AM
Thanks!

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/CurtissCW-40AThunderbirdAirNewZealand.png)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on December 16, 2011, 07:11:59 AM
Nifty stuff.  The early scheme is quite in keeping with the type.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 16, 2011, 07:37:17 PM
Thanks!

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/CurtissCW-40AThunderbirdBOAC.png)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on December 16, 2011, 08:41:02 PM
Always liked the classic BOAC scheme.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 16, 2011, 08:46:02 PM
Thanks!

Litvyak, for the Pacific Western livery did you mean this one?

([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/CurtissCW-40ThunderbirdPacificWestern.png[/url]).

If not, I will probably also do the 70s blue/white Pacific Western scheme as well as they are both pretty attractive. CP Air and Avianca are both also coming up.


I remember PWA airlines:
- Panic While Aloft
- Please Wait Awhile
- Piggley Wiggley Airlines

They used to provide 737 service between Vancouver (YVR) and CFB Comox (YQQ). We called it the Grapefruit route as it was so short (15 Min IIRC) that to serve the drinks, the flight attendant would load up the cart and during the climb out, let role down the cabin and you grab your drink. On the descent, let it role back to the front and put your empty on it.

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 17, 2011, 06:15:49 AM
^   :D

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8039/7923204764_04734d7387_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923204764/)
Handley Page TH-1 USN VT-2B (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923204764/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The USN purchased 55 Handley Page HP.46s in 1933. Re-engined with Curtiss V-1570 Conquerors, they were designated the TH-1. They served in the torpedo-bomber role until the end of 1938.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: simmie on December 17, 2011, 09:34:09 AM
Thanks for the BOAC CW-40, very, very nice indeed.

Would Qantas be possible?? Not for me personally, but for our Australian members of course!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 23, 2011, 04:26:15 AM
Would Qantas be possible?? Not for me personally, but for our Australian members of course!!!

Not Qantas (that colour scheme does nothing for me) but I was able to finish an Ansett-ANA one in deference to our Australian friends!



Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on December 23, 2011, 06:19:33 AM
Nice stuff indeed.  In QANTAS' defence, the 'Flying Kangaroo' went through quite a few iterations with some quite pleasing schemes later in life.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 23, 2011, 07:48:54 AM
Thanks Mav. I truly don't know what it is that leaves me cold about the Qantas livery. Ah well, I'm not known for my taste! 

I'm going to leave the CW-40 for the time being. There are a million other ideas I want to get out of my head!  :D

If anyone wants the blank, just yell.


When doing the HP.46, I was struck by how modern the overall shape was (if that is not a contradiction in terms when discussing a biplane) and decided to try and make a late-war/'46 escort fighter out of it. This was the result:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8311/7923206474_458cc1f426_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923206474/)
Handley Page HP.49 Hyperion RAF SEAC 49 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923206474/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Handley Page HP.49 Hyperion I of 49 Squadron SEAC circa December 1945. The engine is a Fairey Monarch III.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 23, 2011, 09:25:56 AM
I see you have some lovely spats as well, Empty Handed!

That HP is very sleek in all the right places too!

Yumm!!!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 23, 2011, 09:45:17 AM
Curtiss:
([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/CurtissAC-46KUSAFArmed.png[/url])


Seeing your AC-46 Commando makes me wonder why no one has yet to do that as a model.  The Williams Brothers C-46 kit is still available and a quick kit bash with one of the same scale AC-47 kits would make short work of the modifications needed for such a project.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 23, 2011, 07:20:09 PM
Yeah it looks natural doesn't it. The reason I haven't done one is I keep getting outbid on the bloomin' things!!! :kaboom:

Brian, there's a lot more spats to come as I am useless at biplanes in real life. This way, they are a lot easier!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Bladerunner on December 24, 2011, 02:30:32 PM
When doing the HP.46, I was struck by how modern the overall shape was (if that is not a contradiction in terms when discussing a biplane) and decided to try and make a late-war/'46 escort fighter out of it. This was the result:

([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/HandleyPageHP49HyperionRAFSEAC49Sqn.png[/url])

A Handley Page HP.49 Hyperion I of 49 Squadron SEAC circa December 1945. The engine is a Fairey Monarch III.


 :in-love: :want: :in-love:

AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 25, 2011, 02:20:45 AM
<snip>
Brian, there's a lot more spats to come as I am useless at biplanes in real life. This way, they are a lot easier!

Well, if it makes you feel any better, I'm not very good at profiles.

[ hijack ]

Here's a preliminary design I did for our banner. Thankfully, a much better idea came along...

[ /hijack]

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Logan Hartke on December 25, 2011, 08:10:18 AM
I like that AC-46, too, though I've always been partial to the stepped-cockpit Commandos.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: RussC on January 01, 2012, 04:46:18 AM
Great collection, EH ! A wide variety of styles and ideas.
 
 :)

Russ
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 03, 2012, 09:19:04 AM
Thanks guys!

Just as a point of interest, my older profiles (i.e. the ones using line drawings other than my own) can be found here:


Since it looks increasingly unlikely that I'll get to re-draw them as I had hoped, I'll just post 'em as is. While they look a little scruffy, I can't bring myself to delete them.  :'(
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 03, 2012, 06:04:18 PM
Empty Handed, your profiling work is a real delight. I knew many of these already but it's a pleasure to have a second helping... Plus there is stuff in there that I had not seen before and it's real cool!

My favorites:

- Avro Aeolus (classy!)
- Bristol Brazen
- Curtiss Phantom
- Curtiss XF16C-1
- Curtiss XF17C-1 (oh how I'd love to see this in plastic!!)
- Handley-Page TH-1 (very neat... what is it based upon?)
- Handley-Page Hyperion (beauty!!!)
- Parnall Paladin

I especially love the way you use gray outlines on more recent profiles instead of black. It adds to the individual touch and original feel... But I really think you ought to sign your work in a way that can make it identified (some people save stuff and don't even remember where they got it from... with a signature, they've got no excuse!!).

Also, did you do the Curtiss Thunderbird series from scratch or did you use an existing transport design as a basis?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 03, 2012, 10:55:20 PM
Thanks Stargazer! The F17C-1 is one of my favourites so I will definitely be revisiting that one.

The TH-1 is based on the Handley Page H.P. 46: http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/handley_hp-46.php (http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/handley_hp-46.php)

For the Thunderbird, I merely hacked and stretched about the Curtiss C-133 (page 1, reply 2) until I got the right shape. The C-133 is itself very much derived from the C-46 so I can claim something of a design lineage from the Curtiss T-32 Condor series all the way through to the Thunderbird.  :D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: taiidantomcat on January 04, 2012, 02:43:57 AM
Wonderful stuff! Love the variety
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Bladerunner on January 04, 2012, 03:08:44 AM
Thanks guys!

Just as a point of interest, my older profiles (i.e. the ones using line drawings other than my own) can be found here:

[url]http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/Archive/?start=all[/url] ([url]http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/Archive/?start=all[/url])

Since it looks increasingly unlikely that I'll get to re-draw them as I had hoped, I'll just post 'em as is. While they look a little scruffy, I can't bring myself to delete them.  :'(
Hey,
Dont be so hard on yourself. I really enjoyed seeing them again.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Logan Hartke on January 04, 2012, 03:21:17 AM
Dont be so hard on yourself. I really enjoyed seeing them again.

I second that.  The Devastator-based fighter is unusual, but very neat!  Also, the F-105 looks very strangely...right.  It just looks like it was meant to be.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on January 04, 2012, 04:41:22 AM
Older pics give us impetus to improve our skills either way, whether we redo them or merely have them for reference and it should also be remembered that it was the best we could do at a given time.  All good reasons for keeping 'em.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on January 05, 2012, 03:34:43 PM
Thanks for posting.  Enjoy looking at art like this.
Reply 3 and 4 stuff especially interesting to me plus the C-46 variants.

Bill
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 11, 2012, 05:01:15 AM
Thanks guys!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8030/7923246404_dc502e6794_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246404/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246404/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Republic TF-84F "Twinstreak", USAF.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Logan Hartke on January 11, 2012, 05:36:19 AM
Oh wow!  Now that I like!

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on January 11, 2012, 05:47:38 AM
Love the twinstreak!  Lauhof
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on January 11, 2012, 06:42:42 AM
Twinstreak is a brilliant idea.  Just the thing for the NATO airforces that adopted the type and maybe even an early Wild Weasel?

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 11, 2012, 07:47:01 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/7923248032_488e339bb4_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248032/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak HAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248032/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

TF-84F of the Hellenic AF.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 11, 2012, 08:09:33 AM
Twinstreak is brilliant. Makes you wonder why they never came up with it in real life... and also why no whiffer ever came up with it before either!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jcf on January 11, 2012, 08:28:31 AM
Twinstreak is indeed da bizniz.

... and it makes me wonder about a two-seater plank-wing F-84G based night-fighter with Scorpion style wingtip
missile/fuel pods. 
:icon_fsm:
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 11, 2012, 11:12:23 AM
Thanks guys!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8170/7923247306_60538ab122_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923247306/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak IDF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923247306/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

An Israeli TF-84F evades AAA during a (very) low-level night raid during the Six-Day War while another is struck by a SAM.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 11, 2012, 05:05:42 PM
Mmmm...twinstreak... ;D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 11, 2012, 06:03:24 PM
I should think that a T-2 Buckeye's canopy would do the trick in plastic... what do you say?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 11, 2012, 07:58:05 PM
I used a Grumman F9F-8T (TF-9J) canopy as I have a conversion for it (somewhere) but a Buckeye should do the job, yeah.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 11, 2012, 11:47:11 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/7923248422_dd99963b39_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248422/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak BAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248422/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

TF-84F of the Belgian AF.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on January 12, 2012, 02:36:12 AM
This is top for my belgian neighbours! ;D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 12, 2012, 07:12:23 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7923753862_1b5f9ff165_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923753862/)
Republic YRF-84L Thunderflash USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923753862/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Republic YRF-84L prototype seen during it's first flight in 1953.



Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 14, 2012, 01:25:59 AM
This is top for my belgian neighbours!


This one is for you lauhof52.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8177/7923246658_b44cc8583a_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246658/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak RNLAF Whiskey Four (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246658/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Republic TF-84F of the Whiskey Four display team.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 14, 2012, 06:44:38 AM
Nice EH. This is definitely one of those 'should have beens'.

I'm intrigued by the well-worn look of the Belgian TF-84F. Trade secret or will you spill on technique?  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 14, 2012, 09:52:49 AM
Thanks apophenia! My weathering technique is to spray dark grey/black over the panel lines on a separate layer and adjust the opacity of the layer to taste. I also use the multiply/screen function of the airbrush and various brushes on each individual colour to make a mottled effect. Hope that makes sense.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8459/7923246908_65b3da2d2b_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246908/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak RAF 222 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246908/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Republic TF-84F of 222 Squadron, RAF.



Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 14, 2012, 10:19:42 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/7923754812_54a3f4627d_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923754812/)
Republic ERF-84L USAF 'Wild Weasel I' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923754812/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Republic ERF-84L was the USAF's first attempt at creating a dedicated SAM-hunter and would later gain the infamous appellation: Wild Weasel I.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 14, 2012, 10:48:23 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/7923790882_83fa0607a0_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923790882/)
Republic F-84J Thunderstreak USAF Kentucky ANG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923790882/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Republic's second YF-84J was significantly different from the first. While both shared a General Electric J73 engine, the No.2 prototype introduced a bubble canopy and an AN/APG-36 radar in a revised nose that also featured a chin intake. Whilst nowhere near as manoeuvrable as North American's Sabre Dog, the resulting aircraft was a decent bomber-destroyer that saw service with a number of squadrons.

Here, a Kentucky ANG F-84J-25 engages both it's afterburner and a target banner.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2012, 11:54:54 AM
Some really nice stuff there.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 14, 2012, 02:27:02 PM
I take it that YF-84J uses the radar nose and inlet developed on the XF-91?  That looks gorgeous and would be right at home partnered with F-86Ds in US service or F-86Ks in export service (I could see them in the markings of any country using either the F-84F or the F-86K in RL).
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on January 14, 2012, 07:26:01 PM
Nice stuff, Empty Handed! I'm really enjoying your Thunderstreak permutations. Keep 'em coming!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 14, 2012, 08:33:48 PM
Thanks guys!

Quote
I take it that YF-84J uses the radar nose and inlet developed on the XF-91?

With a few tweaks, yes. In some ways, the YF-84J was more advanced than the XF-91 (not least in having a J73) so I've decided to develop the F-84J as an interim interceptor while I develop the Thunderceptor into the AP-54/F-102 (lets say Convair are busy with B-58 and Atlas developments) with the obviously long-lead F-103 being deferred until later.

I have given thought to something of a navalised XF-91 (sans rockets) as the wide landing gear track and variable-incidence wings may make it the only post-war Republic product that lends itself to carrier service. I believe I read somewhere that low-speed handling was actually quite good.

In the meantime, any requests on the TF-, L or J?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Bladerunner on January 15, 2012, 05:45:20 AM
Cool stuff, but how about trying the classic Sabre nose intake on it?  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Scooterman on January 15, 2012, 10:51:01 AM
([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/RepublicTF-84FTwinstreakRNLAFWhiskeyFour.png[/url])


SWEET MONKEY JESUS!!!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 15, 2012, 11:29:34 AM
Thanks guys!
In the meantime, any requests on the TF-, L or J?
Well,  the first thought that comes to mind is a TF-84F in Italian Frecce Tricolori markings along with one in operational Italian markings.  The F-84J is an obviously one for any country who operated F-86Ks, perhaps a Norwegian one with Arctic operational markings?  As for the ERF-84L, perhaps something in German markings (or an extreme version fitted out for Zero-Length Launch as a rapid response to WarPac aggressive moves).  If you could find an image, or set thereof, of the old Hawk ZEL setup for a straight-winged F-84, it could probably be a good guide.  Having had to deal with a boosted ground-launched cruise missile, I think I could give some help there.  Too, if you can find the old Smithsonian AIr & Space video "Runways of Fire" you can get some more useful information.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 15, 2012, 12:17:02 PM
Thanks apophenia! My weathering technique is to spray dark grey/black over the panel lines on a separate layer and adjust the opacity of the layer to taste. I also use the multiply/screen function of the airbrush and various brushes on each individual colour to make a mottled effect. Hope that makes sense.

It does and thanks for the explanation. The effect is excellent -- and a bit like digital pre-shading.

A TF Request:  Hellenic AF -- and the more beat up, the better  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 16, 2012, 02:16:48 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys! elmayerle, I hope you'll forgive me a degree of artistic license.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8308/7923754474_7debd31e10_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923754474/)
Republic JRF-84L Thunderflash USAF ZELL (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923754474/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The JRF-84L launches in it's usual spectacular fashion.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 16, 2012, 04:39:39 AM
That's a gorgeous pic of a ZELL launch.  I'll grant you the artistic license (renewable after 5 years) for that picture, but the rocket really should be at a bit shallower angle relative to the fuselage datum as the rocket thrust vector has to go through the center of gravity of the whole assemblage or you get some real controlability problems (this was covered in the Runways of Fire video and article.  It seems a test with a F-100 was delayed and the assemblage sat in the sun for several hours; differential heating bent the airframe to where the rocket thrust was rather off the cg and, when they did launch, the pilot had quite the wild ride.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 16, 2012, 04:59:11 AM
Quote
A TF Request:  Hellenic AF -- and the more beat up, the better


I take it you didn't like this one from earlier in the thread then?  ;)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/7923248032_488e339bb4_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248032/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak HAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248032/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Well, here she is again at the end of her career, suitably dirty.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/7923247622_82f859c2ae_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923247622/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak HAF Camo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923247622/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Quote
...but the rocket really should be at a bit shallower angle relative to the fuselage datum


Hmmm... now you mention it, the thrust line does run a little too far aft. Shall we say the camera equipment in the nose was deleted for the test?   ;)

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on January 16, 2012, 07:02:04 AM
The ZELL launch is some wild stuff!

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 16, 2012, 09:57:58 AM
Thanks Mav!

This next one was a nightmare. I just can't seem to get blue right. Also can anyone spot what the problem was in going from a low-wing aircraft to a mid-wing one......  :-\

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8299/7923679184_b07f00753c_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923679184/)
Fiat G.84PAN AMI Frecce Tricolori (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923679184/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Fiat G.84 was a licensed-built version of the Republic TF-84F, differing from the later mainly in having a revised, photo-recce nose with a chin intake and in being powered by a Bristol Siddeley Sapphire rather than it's cousin, the Wright J65.

Here a G.84PAN (lacking combat equipment) of the Frecce Tricolori makes a practice pass on an otherwise dreary day at Rivolto.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 16, 2012, 10:00:37 AM
Quote
...but the rocket really should be at a bit shallower angle relative to the fuselage datum

Hmmm... now you mention it, the thrust line does run a little too far aft. Shall we say the camera equipment in the nose was deleted for the test?   ;)

that combined with the extra weight of the rocket attach and jettison equipment and fitting at the back end works for me.    Trust me, it gets even more "interesting" when you're working with two boosters.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 16, 2012, 10:02:44 AM
The G.84PAN is gorgeous in those markings.  I hope we'll see more of these aircraft in Italian markings.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 16, 2012, 10:15:17 AM
Thanks!

Quote
Trust me, it gets even more "interesting" when you're working with two boosters.

Oh dear! I went with two boosters because of the ventral strake I've fitted to all the two-seaters. How interesting?

Quote
I hope we'll see more of these aircraft in Italian markings.

Oh, at least a G.91T equivalent and a Getti Tonanti or two are in order. If anyone is allergic to orange, they should probably avoid this thread!

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 16, 2012, 10:29:01 AM
Thanks!

Quote
Trust me, it gets even more "interesting" when you're working with two boosters.

Oh dear! I went with two boosters because of the ventral strake I've fitted to all the two-seaters. How interesting?

Well, you have to take into account both the cant and clock angles of each booster nozzle to get the thrust vector of each booster through the combined cg of the vehicle (the cg is normally on the aircraft centerline so you have to clock each booster at an angle so that the thrust vector goes through the centerline).  The main effect on any depictions would be that the rocket exhaust nozzles would show as ovals rather than just flat planes (for reference, take a look at pictures of the boosters on a Snark - somewhere I've got a copy of the alignment procedure for those boosters).  Barring other restrictions, the mounting hardware for the boosters covers the cant angle with the horizontal plane and booster design and an alignment procedure deal with getting the clock angle correct.  There's usually a specified cg range to design to and launched aircraft have the weight and balance done to make sure their cg is correct.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on January 16, 2012, 10:42:05 AM
I'm guessing the Frecce Tricolori red line is the issue with the Italian machine?

I'm also guessing that with two boosters, if one fails 'interesting' would be a very mild comment to make!

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 16, 2012, 10:56:13 AM
I'm also guessing that with two boosters, if one fails 'interesting' would be a very mild comment to make!

Rather, it's one reason there's considerable qualification effort on even "simple" solid fuel boosters.  I don't know of any case where there's been a problem, but that's more likely indicative of the care and caution taken.  I was working on boosters for a ground-launched missile and the testing was quite stringent, I can imagine what it would be for boosters used with manned aircraft.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Buzzbomb on January 16, 2012, 03:07:47 PM
Well I am slow to the party.. I love the Basking Shark on the first page for starters... and the plethora of others ....Great work

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 17, 2012, 05:25:02 AM
Well, here she is again at the end of her career, suitably dirty.

Thanks EH! I meant to ask for a camouflaged Greek but you've de-garbled my request  ;D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 17, 2012, 10:30:33 AM
Well I am slow to the party.. I love the Basking Shark on the first page for starters... and the plethora of others ....Great work


Thanks! Slow or not, nice to see another friendly face! I do plan on revisiting the Basking Shark (and it's antipodean Hawker cohorts) in the near future.

Quote
I meant to ask for a camouflaged Greek but you've de-garbled my request


Yeah, I had a feeling which one you meant. I'm quite a fan of that scheme myself!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7923678888_b5b75398d1_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923678888/)
Fiat G.84T AMI (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923678888/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

AMI Fiat G.84T.



Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JoseFern on January 18, 2012, 08:47:07 AM
Very nice variants of the TF-84! :)

What about a twin-engined AMI G.84Y?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 18, 2012, 04:47:56 PM
Or maybe uninhibited...
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 19, 2012, 09:29:42 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8318/7923678606_142e97071f_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923678606/)
Fiat G.84Y AMI Late (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923678606/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Fiat G.84Y, powered by the same two Pratt & Whitney J60 turbojets as Piaggio's license built T-39 Sabreliners, was the longest lived of the Thunderstreak derivatives, not being retired until 2000. This was due in no small part to the failure of the AMX programme to reach a consensus.

.....

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8316/7923248844_c66c98c9f0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248844/)
Republic AQM-42K Thunderfly (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248844/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Republic AQM-42K 'Thunderfly' continues it's second life as a reconnaissance drone over North Vietnam.

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on January 19, 2012, 10:08:01 AM
The Drone is particularly nice.  I'm sure Greg will approve.  >:D

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Doom! on January 19, 2012, 10:27:08 AM
I agree with Mav, the drone is very nice.  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: sotoolslinger on January 19, 2012, 10:33:02 AM
Must agree  :o Most nifty drone :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 19, 2012, 05:38:28 PM
UAV good!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 19, 2012, 05:53:41 PM
Excellent gallery as usual, but the ZELL launched version and the Thunderfly drone are SOMETHING ELSE!!! Wow.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 20, 2012, 01:42:02 AM
Thanks guys!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7923927952_e455b386bc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923927952/)
Republic XF5N-1 Thunderguard USN Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923927952/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Republic XF5N-1 Thunderguard prototype first flew 60 years ago today. Perhaps the best naval fighter of the early/mid-fifties, the variable incidence wings allowed comparatively straightforward carrier landings and unlike it's main competitor, the F3H Demon, the Thunderguard had been designed around the Allison J71 from the start, permitting it's full 14,750lbs of thrust to be used to the fullest.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 20, 2012, 02:39:21 AM
 :o :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Doom! on January 20, 2012, 02:48:14 AM
OK, I'm diggin' the Thunderguard.  :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JoseFern on January 20, 2012, 07:27:29 AM
Thank you for the G.84Y.
Very nice drone indeed, love the camo too! :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 20, 2012, 09:46:50 AM
Ooh-aah! That Thunderguard would make a sharp-looking UAV too [hint, hint]  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 20, 2012, 10:42:56 AM
Fabulous Thunderguard...
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 21, 2012, 09:49:39 PM
Thanks guys!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7923917572_abc6bd8f77_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923917572/)
Republic F3N-1 Thunderstorm USN Experimental Dark Grey (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923917572/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The US Navy was understandably reluctant to purchase a naval derivative of the F-84. While a more than adequate fighter-bomber, it's range, manoeuvrability and field performance left something to be desired. Republic went to great lengths to navalise the Thunderjet, culminating in the F3N-1 Thunderstorm.

Power was provided by a Pratt & Whitney J48 for commonality with other Navy types, necessitating a more rotund fuselage, as did the increased internal tankage. The wings were power-folded, increased in span and chord and featured full-span flaps to bring approach speeds to an acceptable level. Higher AoA could be adopted on approach thanks to the new forward position of the cockpit. The AN/APG-37 radar provided all-weather interception capability.


*apophenia - I'm going to finalise the F4N before I revisit both the F3N & F5N. I'll add a drone to the list.*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 22, 2012, 03:18:26 AM
Nice
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 23, 2012, 04:17:53 AM
I love the Thunderstorm and Thunderguard and I'm quite looking forward to seeing the F4N which I imagine would bear a family resemblance to the swept-wing F-84s.  So where the F1N and F2N navalized variants of the P-47 and P-72?  I keep thinking that a P-72 with P-47N wings and a 5-bladed prop like that of the Sea Fury would look just right in Navy dark blue.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 23, 2012, 04:42:30 AM
The FN was P-35/P-41 based, the F2N P-47 based.

The F4N was my first pass at the Thunderguard that I didn't want to just discard. It is very much F-84F based. I purposely didn't do a P-72 as I figured the F2N was a wartime exigency and post-war, the Navy would be reluctant to deal with an "Air Force" supplier.


Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 23, 2012, 05:25:48 AM
The F4N was my first pass at the Thunderguard that I didn't want to just discard. It is very much F-84F based. I purposely didn't do a P-72 as I figured the F2N was a wartime exigency and post-war, the Navy would be reluctant to deal with an "Air Force" supplier.
Well, considering that the Navy was a bit slower getting into jets (considering the performance and behavior of the engines of the time - low power and long spool-up times, I can't blame them), I could see them going for a P-72 development as a F2N variant (close enough to qualify) that was of sufficiently high performance for the time.  Besides, it's got an aircooled engine unlike the "Seahorse" derivative of the Mustang.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 23, 2012, 07:18:10 AM
Quote
I could see them going for a P-72 development as a F2N variant (close enough to qualify)

I quite agree. My original plan had the naval P-72 under the designation of F2N-8 or -9 (I'm quite sure I could get the F2N line up to that many sub-variants with the odd liquid-cooled H-type engine test-bed interspersed). I suppose I could reactivate that plan but I really wanted something of a story of Republic's reputation of producing ground-huggers working against them, Navy reluctance and eventually, Republic proving everyone wrong and developing a worthy family of naval fighters. Or something like that.

As an aside, I plan on merging my resin XP-72 with F-84G wings and tail section to produce a Korean War era piston-powered fighter-bomber with the jetpipe acting as a XR-12 style ejector exhaust. The tail-less F-84 will get a P-47 tail and become an alternative P-44 Rocket (the mid-fuselage V-1710 engined AP-12). Another F-84 will become a developed P-69 with the same ejector exhaust treatment.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 23, 2012, 10:07:40 AM
Sounds cool.  I've got a resin XP-72 that's going to receive P-47N wings and a five-bladed prop.  I'm also looking to blend P-47N wings with a P-84 to do an early iteration toward the production P-84.  Also have thoughts of doing XP-47H/P-47N and XP-47J/P-47N crosses.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 23, 2012, 04:41:37 PM
I'm liking these ideas....
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 23, 2012, 07:51:40 PM
Interesting....

On the XP-47J front, I've developed a hybrid cowling (including parts from a F8F and a J2M) to produce a P-47J with a cooling-fan in an extended cowling like that of the Raiden and hearken back to earlier Seversky experiments such as the AP-4:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49487266@N07/4822623722# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/49487266@N07/4822623722#)

..... but I digress! Maybe we should have a Republic Thunderfarm subject over in the Ideas & Inspiration section?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 24, 2012, 05:58:42 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8301/7923921090_e25688348e_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923921090/)
Republic XF4N-1 Thundershark USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923921090/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The XF4N-1 Thundershark prototype.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/7923920860_130d0488f1_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923920860/)
Republic XF4N-2 Thundershark (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923920860/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

F4N-2 production was cancelled in favour of development of the superior F5N Thunderguard. Construction of the prototype was well advanced however and Republic completed it to serve as a company testbed.

Amongst this aircraft's accolades was it's use in the development of the Fieri intakes that so typified later Republic products. It tested the Boundary Layer Control system used on the F5N's wing. It was also used as an engine testbed and in so doing became the sole aircraft to fly with the Allis-Chalmers J62 engine, which was a license built copy of the De Havilland Gyron Junior. It is depicted here during the latter's test programme.

Of note is the suction slot immediately ahead of the wing root that served both as an auxiliary inlet and as part of the BLC system to prevent separated flow over the wing root.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 24, 2012, 08:16:30 AM
I do like prototypes and that XF4N-1 Thundershark is no exception. Nice!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 24, 2012, 07:58:53 PM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8301/7923921966_065c3c81b5_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923921966/)
Republic F4N-1 Thundershark USN NOTS (Hopi) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923921966/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A NOTS (Naval Ordnance Test Station) F4N-1 performs an over-the-shoulder delivery during a test firing of a Hopi nuclear rocket.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 25, 2012, 02:43:45 AM
Per apophenia's request:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7923927622_62f6585286_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923927622/)
Republic XSSM-N-9 Regulus II (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923927622/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Republic XSSM-N-9 Regulus II in flight.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Doom! on January 25, 2012, 03:56:31 AM
Your two latest are both excellent!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on January 25, 2012, 04:14:43 AM
Some really nice stuff there!

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 25, 2012, 08:13:11 AM
A Republic XSSM-N-9 Regulus II in flight.

Awesome! The chin intake really does have a RW Regulus II look about it. Very nice!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 25, 2012, 10:48:53 AM
Per apophenia's request:

([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/RepublicXSSM-N-9RegulusII.png[/url])

A Republic XSSM-N-9 Regulus II in flight.

Beautiful!!  Any chance of a launch sequence?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 26, 2012, 04:54:10 AM
Quote
Beautiful!!  Any chance of a launch sequence?

No. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8317/7923928862_5be4b81403_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923928862/)
Republic MQM-15A Regulus II (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923928862/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Oh this? Someone just left this here, yeah.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 26, 2012, 04:55:16 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 26, 2012, 06:59:21 AM
No. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.

It's important to stay firm on these issues.

Oh and, to whomever left that image there, great scheme!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on January 26, 2012, 08:46:26 AM
Certainly looks the part.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 26, 2012, 10:07:42 AM
Thanks guys! And now for something completely different.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8038/7924028996_5db587821c_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028996/)
Bréguet Sirocco I Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028996/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Bréguet Br 1120 Sirocco I prototype.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on January 26, 2012, 10:34:06 AM
Am appreciating the various flavors of F-84s you are serving up.  Nice Navy concepts and the radar nose.
Years ago remember seeing a depressing picture of many F-84Fs in 1960s piled on top of each other ready to be chopped up.  UGH !
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Slerski on January 27, 2012, 02:53:37 AM
Thanks guys! And now for something completely different.

The Bréguet Br 1120 Sirocco I prototype.

Mirage III competitor ? With Atar 9C
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 27, 2012, 03:42:27 AM
Quote
Am appreciating the various flavors of F-84s you are serving up.  Nice Navy concepts and the radar nose. Years ago remember seeing a depressing picture of many F-84Fs in 1960s piled on top of each other ready to be chopped up.  UGH !


Ugh indeed! Thanks for the feedback finsrin.

Quote
Mirage III competitor ? With Atar 9C


Atar 9C, yes but more of an alternative to the Aeronavale F-8E(FN). Although I don't see why it couldn't compete with the Mirage family.

On a slightly different tack, what if SEPECAT happened a little earlier??

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/7924027800_aff18a06e3_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924027800/)
SEPECAT Sirocco GR.1 RAF 54 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924027800/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

SEPECAT Sirocco GR.1 of 54 Sqn.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 27, 2012, 03:47:29 AM
Hmmm...odd...in a good way.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on January 27, 2012, 08:05:00 AM
That Sirocco is sweet!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 27, 2012, 10:14:18 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8297/7924028784_6951d1bc46_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028784/)
Bréguet Sirocco II Aeronavale (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028784/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Bréguet Sirocco II of the Aeronavale on retirement in 1999.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on January 28, 2012, 05:56:58 AM
And the Sirocco looks even better in Aeronavale markings!

Nice!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 28, 2012, 10:37:48 AM
And the Sirocco looks even better in Aeronavale markings!

It does indeed. But that 54 Sqn Sirocco GR.1 almost anticipates a conventional (non-V/STOL) Harrier!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on January 28, 2012, 12:47:08 PM
Perhaps an Israeli Sirocco?  And their J79-powered derivative of the Sirocco?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on January 28, 2012, 07:29:15 PM
The Sirocco does look good!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 28, 2012, 08:36:53 PM
Thanks guys!

Quote
.....But that 54 Sqn Sirocco GR.1 almost anticipates a conventional (non-V/STOL) Harrier!

That was sort of the effect I was after. I intended for it to be a proto-Jaguar of sorts but with it's more curvaceous lines, decided that the LRMTS of the Harrier GR.3 suited it better and it very much became a blurring of the Harrier and Jaguar.

Israeli Sirocco up next.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Sentinel Chicken on January 28, 2012, 11:44:14 PM
Quote
Beautiful!!  Any chance of a launch sequence?

No. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.

([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/RepublicMQM-15ARegulusII.png[/url])

Oh this? Someone just left this here, yeah.


I'm always amazed at what people leave lying around!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 31, 2012, 05:13:48 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8448/7924028474_6760d4ab27_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028474/)
Bréguet Sirocco IRJ IDF (TASHBETZ) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028474/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Bréguet Sirocco IRJ of the IDF featuring a locally modified (TASHBETZ) recce nose.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/7924028120_750eb7a26e_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028120/)
IAI Tzafrir FAE (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028120/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

An IAI Tzafrir of the FAE.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: arc3371 on January 31, 2012, 05:39:08 PM
I like the Sirocco´s
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 31, 2012, 05:48:16 PM
Looking good.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 02, 2012, 10:41:27 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/7924084510_a2432d4a74_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924084510/)
Curtiss XA-46 Phantom Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924084510/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The prototype Curtiss XA-46 Phantom.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Rafael on February 02, 2012, 07:28:25 PM
Empty Handed, you're getting better and better by the post. Congrats!
I Love all your work
Rafa
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on February 03, 2012, 05:05:46 AM
That Curtiss Phantom is very imaginative & innovative!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 03, 2012, 05:46:53 AM
Thanks! Although in fairness it is loosely based on the Curtiss P-517/-518:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2148.0.html (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2148.0.html)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 04, 2012, 01:10:34 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8319/7924107622_262a8e5ab7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924107622/)
Grumman F12F-1 Lion USN VF-101 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924107622/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Grumman F12F-1 Lion of VF-101.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JoseFern on February 04, 2012, 05:26:34 AM
Love the Regulus launch sequence & Aeronavale Sirocco II!  :-* ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 11, 2012, 02:46:38 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7924112080_4f3aaccca3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924112080/)
SNCASO Vautour IIB AdlA Anti-Flash (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924112080/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Vautour IIB, part of the AdlA's nuclear deterrent force.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on February 11, 2012, 03:37:19 AM
The Phantom is very interesting
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: M.A.D on February 11, 2012, 01:43:14 PM
G'day Empty Handed
M.A.D here! I've just been browsing your terrific profile for the first time  ;)
Well done with the
Quote
Blackburn Buccaneer AS.3 launching an Ikara
!!!!!
An interesting concept!!!!

I'm off to exploring your remaining pages...........................


M.A.D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on February 11, 2012, 01:58:07 PM
I'm with JP.  XA-46 Phantom VERY interesting.
Could make as 1/72 starting with 1/144 B-47   Ya think?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 13, 2012, 03:01:44 AM
Thanks guys! I think the B-47 would make a good basis for the XA-46.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/7924111656_b1935e9c0e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924111656/)
SNCASO Vautour IIB PAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924111656/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 13, 2012, 03:41:39 AM
Mmmm...tasty!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on February 13, 2012, 04:33:16 AM
Very nice!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: RussC on February 13, 2012, 06:26:38 AM
Nice gallery, interesting and varied subjects. Especially note and like the little details like the nav lights, exhausts and the booster plume, very well done !
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on February 13, 2012, 11:12:27 AM
Thanks guys! I think the B-47 would make a good basis for the XA-46.

It would indeed. Like that PAF Vautour too!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 28, 2012, 08:33:26 AM
Thanks guys!

I know this is hardly an original idea but......

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8032/7924143070_2af28c9322_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924143070/)
Hawker Sea Hurricane VII Indefatigable 1945 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924143070/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: The Big Gimper on February 28, 2012, 08:58:47 AM
Not for me. Tres cool. Anything with a FAA Roundel and Bars are okay with me.  :)

So what do you call it?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on February 28, 2012, 11:21:02 AM
I know this is hardly an original idea but......

Novel twists though! I love the Typhoon tail that you've introduced  :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 29, 2012, 03:05:18 AM
Thanks!

Quote
So what do you call it?


It's a Sea Hurricane VII, developed, in part due to a lack of availability of Seafires. A handful of non-navalised Hurricane VIIs were also delivered to the RAF as fighter-trainers, freeing up front-line types for other duties. Some were known to last into the late 1940s as squadron hacks such as this 64 Squadron machine:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8448/7924143460_82de247fe8_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924143460/)
Hawker Hurricane F.7 64 Sqn Exercise Dagger (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924143460/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Here is my entry into the GB:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7924107280_2fbe1e87d3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924107280/)
One Day in a Long War (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924107280/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Grumman F-4G Lion of VF-96 shoots down a Vietnamese MiG-17 in 1972.



Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on February 29, 2012, 05:01:05 AM
Very cool....
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 05, 2012, 10:12:58 PM
Thanks. A while back I mentioned doing a Getti Tonanti Twinstreak, so......

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8461/7923685424_ba197781a4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923685424/)
Getti Tonanti (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923685424/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Twinstreaks of the Getti Tonanti perform at the Paris Air Show in 1959. In the distance can be seen a Raduga Ra-3 of the USSR awaiting it's turn to display (escorts out of shot).
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on March 06, 2012, 06:42:48 PM
Now that's nice....... How do I get that blank?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on March 07, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
Thanks......
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 16, 2012, 04:44:54 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7923917870_0c17bb1960_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923917870/)
Republic F3N-1 Thunderstorm Turkish Navy - Yavuz (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923917870/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A F3N-1 Fırtına of the Turkish Navy operating off of the converted battlecruiser Yavuz in the mid-50s.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: AXOR on March 16, 2012, 04:50:32 AM
Ohhh that is nice,has a more aggressive look with those intakes in the front !

Alex
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on March 16, 2012, 07:16:29 AM
This is really interesting
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on March 16, 2012, 09:18:54 AM
Liking all these.  Grumman looks real as 60s-70s jet.  And truely like how the blue-grey camo looks.  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 17, 2012, 12:50:17 AM
Thanks guys!

Copied over from the April Fools GB:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8318/7923002670_210bab3a94_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923002670/)
Republic P-47D-40 Thunderbolt III 47 Sqn SEAC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923002670/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Rafael on March 17, 2012, 01:57:42 AM
I love those Sea Hurris, EH!!!
and the Jug-D is very good
Title: Relegated
Post by: Empty Handed on March 17, 2012, 11:40:12 PM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8458/7923922854_c879a85b62_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923922854/)
Relegated (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923922854/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

With the advent of the F5N, the F4Ns were relegated to secondary and fleet support roles......
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: AXOR on March 18, 2012, 10:54:26 PM
Niiice and interesting  :-*

Alex
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on March 19, 2012, 12:12:47 AM
Very good
Title: Re: Relegated
Post by: apophenia on March 19, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
With the advent of the F5N, the F4Ns were relegated to secondary and fleet support roles......

Beautiful paintwork ... a pity that she'll be splashed  :o
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on March 20, 2012, 03:36:33 PM
This is really promising! Good work.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 20, 2012, 04:25:23 PM
Looking good.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on March 20, 2012, 11:52:55 PM
Very good
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Rafael on March 21, 2012, 06:24:35 AM
Thanks guys!

Really happy with the way this one is heading so thought I'd share! Still somewhat WIP.
.........
The Bristol Buccaneer - Bristol's answer to the DH Sea Hornet.

Oh! this is beautiful :-* :-* And I also like where it's going. At first sight and without reading your post, I thought: Bubbletop Beaufighter (one unfulfilled dream of mine - yet to see one). And admirably, you captured the Bristol look.

Great one, EH!!!

Rafa
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 22, 2012, 09:11:02 AM
Thanks! Here's the Bristol Erinyes V-12 powered prototype:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8173/7924219096_0de54739cb_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924219096/)
Bristol Buccaneer Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924219096/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Maverick on March 22, 2012, 09:20:53 AM
Looks quite the part and a natural diversion from the Brigand.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 22, 2012, 09:23:55 AM
Nice. Where do you get the engine names from?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 22, 2012, 09:35:09 AM
Thanks! Went with an ancient Greek name (appropriate for Bristol) that I've been looking to drop in somewhere for quite a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erinyes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erinyes)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on March 22, 2012, 09:57:01 AM
Very nice EH  :)  The Brigand was too handsome to be overlooked as whif-fodder!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Rafael on March 22, 2012, 08:44:07 PM
She's hot!!!! :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 24, 2012, 03:02:11 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7924220030_7b1e8da4c8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924220030/)
Bristol Buccaneer FB.2 Yangtse Incident (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924220030/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Hastily re-tasked from Exercise Tumult in the South China Sea, one of HMS Leviathan's Buccaneers (retaining Exercise ID Bands and with any red of the national insignia temporarily deleted) looses the last of it's rockets against Communist positions as it roars over the beached HMS Amethyst at masthead height. The Buccs were instrumental in suppressing the Communist forces until HMS London, Belfast and Consort could arrive to lend their voice to proceedings.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8443/7924220776_e4e5de9e31_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924220776/)
Bristol Buccaneer FB.2 Exercise Tumult (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924220776/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on March 24, 2012, 03:54:48 AM
Thanks! Here's the Bristol Erinyes V-12 powered prototype:

([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/BristolBuccaneerPrototype.png[/url])


Awfully nice! ;D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 24, 2012, 04:56:31 AM
Winner!!! :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Rafael on March 24, 2012, 12:08:17 PM
Fantastic, EH!!!

The markings look awesome, love the off-tone :-*

Rafa
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on April 01, 2012, 09:21:22 PM
Thanks guys! Don't have a working internet connection at the moment but wanted to show you guys what I'm working on at the mo.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 02, 2012, 02:11:40 AM
Two seat Demon!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: AXOR on April 02, 2012, 02:33:00 AM
Very interesting (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/respect-048.gif)

Alex
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on April 11, 2012, 02:19:02 AM
Thanks! Finally back up and running!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8176/7924322068_e7253202a4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924322068/)
McDonnell TF-3B Demon USN VT-23 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924322068/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A McDonnell TF-3B Demon of VT-23.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8459/7924321644_b065dd4ba1_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924321644/)
McDonnell TF-3K Demon FG.1 RN 736 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924321644/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A McDonnell F-3K Demon FG.1 of 736 NAS.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 11, 2012, 03:09:00 AM
Nice ones.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: AXOR on April 11, 2012, 04:40:42 AM
I like the USN one.

Alex
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on April 11, 2012, 11:10:39 AM
Very much liking those Demons-for-two!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on April 25, 2012, 08:33:22 AM
Thanks guys!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7924262588_6c0143cbfd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924262588/)
Bristol Bulwark AS.1 820 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924262588/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Bristol Bulwark AS.1 was Bristol's equivalent to the Short SB.3. Powered by two A.S. Mambas and featuring the anti-submarine radar and operator compartment in the bulged forward fuselage, the Bulwark nevertheless had a high degree of commonality with it's Buccaneer sibling. Here, an 820 NAS aircraft patrols for Soviet submarines from HMS Perseus.

SB.3: http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AE/AE03-5/73-1.jpg (http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AE/AE03-5/73-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Cliffy B on April 25, 2012, 08:47:01 AM
Super, super cool man!!!!  It looks a lot better than Short's version.  Wonder how well it would have compared to the Tracker?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on April 25, 2012, 10:47:25 AM
Excellent ... I was hoping that you'd develop the Buccaneer further! A minor note is engine position. Turboprops (even early ones) are really light compared to piston engines.

The Mamba's dry weight was only 780 lb whereas as V12s, Erinyes would be in the 1700-to-2000 lb range. So maybe the Bulwark should have longer engine-bearers to push the Mambas further forward?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on April 25, 2012, 06:46:48 PM
The Mambas are further forward of the wing than it's piston engined forebearer. The nose is longer, which gives the illusion that the nacelles are no different. I only made a minor change as there is already a great deal of extra mass forward.

I accept that it is somewhat less stable than the Buccaneer but the bulged keel and increased rudder area will compensate somewhat. As would powered flying controls!

Cliffy B, the Brigand that it is based on is actually slightly larger than the Tracker (which surprised me). So to operate off of a British carrier deck it would probably have to go with an elaborate double-wingfold system and possibly also a tailfold. I suspect it would be the Trackers equal in load-hauling but would probably not be able to accommodate changes in systems like the S-2 did due to the narrower fuselage.

The forward-sector only radar is also a little limiting. I may try a mark 2 with a retractable dustbin radar in the nose. I wanted to go with a family resemblance thing - the bulbous nose is based on the Bristol Freighter.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on April 26, 2012, 08:31:50 AM
EH: thanks for the correction  :-[
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on April 26, 2012, 07:41:41 PM
Oh apophenia, please don't get me wrong! You were absolutely correct. I had to double check myself with the little measuring tool in GIMP! I really appreciate someone challenging some of my design choices and being able to explain some of the thought processesssesesessss (?) behind it!

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on April 27, 2012, 04:09:32 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/7924262014_57c728e8fc_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924262014/)
Bristol Bulwark AS.2 Prototype Farnborough 1950 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924262014/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The prototype Bulwark AS.2 performs at Farnborough in 1950. Disappointed with the performance of the fixed radar in the AS.1, Bristol fitted a revised nose to the AS.2 with a rotating radar in the chin position.

The canopy was revised to dispense with excess glazing as it was thought that targets would be prosecuted by radar alone. In practice, pilots appreciated the ability to have extra eyes out and production AS.2s returned to a larger canopy.

Another abortive feature of the prototype was the installation of an A.S. Adder turbojet in the tail with two intakes mounted dorsally. This was to facilitate higher transit and, if necessary, escape speeds. Production aircraft dispensed with Armstrong Siddeley powerplants altogether in favour of two more powerful Bristol Nereus turboprops. It had been the cause of some embarrassment for a Bristol aircraft to fly with A.S. engines, as Bristol had no equivalent to the Mamba. The Nereus was designed to rectify this gap in the Bristol product line.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on April 27, 2012, 04:11:23 AM
Your work has this "ghostly" quality of realism that I find just draws me in and your Bulwark AS.2 is a fine example! You're really showing off your talent with this beauty!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on April 27, 2012, 06:15:24 AM
I love the names you choose EH! And good to see that you're staying with the Sea-God theme for the small turboprop. Would the Nereus be a mini Theseus?

The AS Mamba/Adder would have made a natural pairing. Will Bristol Aero-Engines develop a similar turbojet version of the Nereus? If not, the Turbomeca Marboré is not too far off if Bristol wants to avoid their rivals from Coventry  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on April 30, 2012, 01:08:52 AM
Well I would go with something of a proto-Orpheus as the single centrifugal stage of the Theseus would mess up my nacelle!!

How about Bristol Thetis (a Nereid) for a turbojet development?

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8443/7924261410_413a608a9d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924261410/)
Bristol Bulwark AS.2B 815 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924261410/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Bulwark AS.2B of 815 NAS restarts it's port engine at the end of a long patrol prior to returning to the carrier.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 30, 2012, 02:54:51 AM
That's nice.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: arc3371 on April 30, 2012, 03:07:11 AM
Great profil and an interesting colour scheme
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on April 30, 2012, 09:49:33 AM
How about Bristol Thetis (a Nereid) for a turbojet development?


Thetis works. I had a glance at a Nereids names list and was surprised to see there were none starting with 'B'  :icon_crap:  I kind of liked Thoe (Nereis of swift voyages) and Nausithoe (Nereis of swift ships) but neither exactly trips off the tongue in English.

http://www.theoi.com/Pontios/Nereides.html (http://www.theoi.com/Pontios/Nereides.html)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on April 30, 2012, 10:34:00 AM
Thanks guys!

Thanks for the link, apophenia. Might have to name a missile NEMERTES, the unerring!

Thought I'd re-do a previous Bristol design, the Bristol Brazen while I'm at it. It is an older drawing but it cleans up quite nicely.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8438/7924384694_e34bd18ba6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924384694/)
Bristol Brazen S.3 RN Aden Defence Flight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924384694/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Proteus-powered Bristol Brazen S.3 of the Aden Port Defence Flight.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 30, 2012, 06:05:15 PM
I like that one.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 02, 2012, 08:35:38 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7924401158_6873c30be2.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924401158/)
Blackburn Murrelet I 803 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924401158/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Blackburn Murrelet (with Rolls-Royce Merlin C and two-bladed prop) was the FAA's intermediary between the biplane fighters like the Hawker Nimrod and the wartime fighters such as the Hawker Sea Hurricane.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 02, 2012, 10:41:34 AM
cute...
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on May 02, 2012, 10:46:34 AM
Looks ripe for kit-bashing to "superize"
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 02, 2012, 08:27:54 PM
Looks ripe for kit-bashing to "superize"


Ahhhh! There goes that surprise then!  ;)

Actually I was planning on using elements of the Blackburn B.44 (minus floats) but retaining something of the humpback look that the Murrelet and it's predecessor, the F.7/30 seem to have.

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/9315.htm (http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/9315.htm)
http://rp-one.net/profiles/profiles_sky_1.html#image_4 (http://rp-one.net/profiles/profiles_sky_1.html#image_4)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on May 07, 2012, 09:41:38 AM
The Murrelet follow-on is looking good! I'd worked out a light twin based on the Jug as well but never got it past the pencil sketch stage ... snooze ya lose  ;D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 07, 2012, 09:43:50 AM
Thanks! I'd still like to see your twin-Jug. Always good to have multiple takes.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/7924404180_df784f141d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924404180/)
Blackburn Kittiwake NF.1 1790 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924404180/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Blackburn Kittiwake NF.1 of 1790 NAS.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on May 07, 2012, 11:01:12 AM
Your Blackburn Kittiwake is a brute! I love it  :)

Thanks! I'd still like to see your twin-Jug. Always good to have multiple takes.

Hmmm, might just have to finish her  :D

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 08, 2012, 05:58:32 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8031/7924404644_8bb651b52d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924404644/)
Blackburn Kittiwake F.III 806 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924404644/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Blackburn Kittiwake F.III of 806 NAS of the BPF in 1946.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 08, 2012, 06:03:52 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8462/7924450538_5d617f3633_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924450538/)
Republic UC-78A Hyderabad AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924450538/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

During India's "police action" in Hyderabad, Operation Polo, the Nizam of Hyderabad fled to Pakistan aboard this Republic UC-78A that had been left behind by the USAAF at the end of WW2 and impressed by the Hyderabadi Air Force.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: AXOR on May 08, 2012, 06:16:27 AM
Thanks!

([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/BlackburnKittiwakeFIII806NAS.png[/url])

Blackburn Kittiwake F.III of 806 NAS of the BPF in 1946.


My fav !!!

Alex
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 08, 2012, 09:16:05 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8458/7924455256_df361bd8e0_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924455256/)
Republic XP-79A Adder USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924455256/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Republic's XP-79A Adder No. 1 seen during a test flight.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Litvyak on May 08, 2012, 09:21:49 AM
That looks like a flying dolphin! :D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Silver Fox on May 08, 2012, 09:35:32 AM
You know, with that yellow paint scheme I would have been sorely tempted to change the name of the Adder to "Thunderpeal"... or was that "Thunderpeel". :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on May 08, 2012, 10:05:15 AM
My fav !!!

Yeah, it's amazing what a transformation the bubble canopy and belly radiator makes from the Kittiwake NF.1!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 24, 2012, 11:50:22 PM
The Bell SBL Airemora was an extemporised scout bomber based on a strengthened P-39 airframe and utilising the well-proven wing of the Douglas SBD.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7924484324_d7698aa0a8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484324/)
Bell SBL-1 Airemora USN Atlantic (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484324/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Bell SBL-1 of VS-37.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8299/7924484740_e35664bf52_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484740/)
Bell SBL-1 Airemora Mexican AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484740/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Bell SBL-1 of the Fuerza Aérea Mexicana.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/7924484052_bbfc89e3ca_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484052/)
Bell SBL-3 Airemora RNZAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484052/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Bell SBL-3 of the RNZAF.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 25, 2012, 01:18:19 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7924509704_99ca0e724f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509704/)
Caproni Ca.135 RAF Evaluation (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509704/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

In the early days of 1938, the RAF purchased a single Caproni Ca.135bis from the Italian government for evaluation. While no follow-up order was placed, the Caproni proved most useful in the role of a target for practice night interceptions and as a testbed for various night camouflage schemes. It is seen here in a variant of Nivo Green (with brown uppers) in the summer of '39.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on May 25, 2012, 02:02:07 PM
Bell SBL is a cool creation   8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 26, 2012, 01:43:59 AM
Very nice...all of them.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on May 27, 2012, 02:51:04 AM
Good job
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 27, 2012, 08:40:26 PM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8451/7924522956_1e1dcabd83_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924522956/)
Eurofighter Typhoon T.3 RAF 224 Sqn Retro Jet (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924522956/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Typhoon T.3 of 224 Sqn based at RAF Gibraltar in a "retro" scheme of the squadron's previous mounts.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 28, 2012, 12:29:30 AM
Different.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: AXOR on May 28, 2012, 01:11:19 AM
Certainly looks good !!!

Alex
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on June 29, 2012, 03:17:08 AM
Thanks. I seem to have utterly misplaced my muse recently but I have managed to get this done. It's a could've been. A Caproni Ca.135 in Japanese service (instead of the Fiat BR.20).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/7924509998_6e103e9674_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509998/)
Caproni Ca.135 IJA 1939 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509998/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on June 29, 2012, 02:30:37 PM
Is interesting how well Typhoon and Ca.135 schemes really do make identification difficult.  Specially in flight with things moving.
Good schemes  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 30, 2012, 03:33:01 AM
Oh, I do like that Caproni. :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on June 30, 2012, 09:08:34 PM
Thanks.

After many false starts, Curtiss-Caproni, a subsidiary of Curtiss-Wright managed to successfully market a Caproni aircraft to the US market. This was the Curtiss-Caproni B-22 Raider. A licensed-built derivative of the Ca.135, it was powered by a pair of P&W R-2000s and featured a revised nose similar to the Lockheed Hudson and a stepped tail to accommodate a ventral gunner.

Although not a major success, the Raider proved to be a useful aircraft for the USAAF's ASW patrol off of the Eastern Seaboard and in the Caribbean as well as in secondary theatres such as Panama.


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/7924509396_560e13aafd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509396/)
Curtiss-Caproni B-22A USAAF Panama 1943 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509396/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

An airliner conversion was marketed by Curtiss-Wright (Curtiss-Caproni had been absorbed by it's parent company upon declaration of war) post-war but was not taken up.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Caproni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Caproni)

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Acree on July 01, 2012, 12:29:26 AM
I really like the Raider.  Looks very much a Ventura at first glance.  CW had a relationship with Caproni in the 1920s in the Real World (I'm sure you knew EH), but never managed to build anything.  Cool idea!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 01, 2012, 06:27:33 AM
Thanks! Here's an oldie-but-goldie I decided to re-do:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/7924562558_6798a9153e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924562558/)
Avro Aeolus FB.1 RN Admiral's Barge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924562558/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Admiral's Barge, an Avro Aeolus FB.1.

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 01, 2012, 08:24:36 AM
Another oldie re-drawn:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/7924573126_12c6885fe9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924573126/)
Supermarine Sea Scourge NF.21 RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924573126/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A Supermarine Sea Scourge NF.21.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 06, 2012, 12:01:31 AM
McDonnell TF-88A Voodoo IIAF:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/7924587590_bed38c36a1_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924587590/)
McDonnell TF-88A Voodoo IIAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924587590/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 06, 2012, 02:16:06 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 06, 2012, 04:11:46 AM
Thanks!

In the 1930s, Airspeed had the rights to license build several Fokker aircraft designs. In the event, there were no takers but what if there were......

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/7924613316_eb4b09ac07_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924613316/)
Airspeed Affray I RAF 1 Sqn B Flight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924613316/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Airspeed AS.17 Affray was a licensed-built Fokker D.XVII, a mark I is seen here in 1 Squadron colours in 1934.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8458/7924612950_06f8ee91cd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924612950/)
Airspeed Agave I RAF 94 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924612950/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Airspeed AS.19 Agave was the British-built equivalent of the Fokker D.XIX. Seen here is a 94 Sqn example flying out of RAF Habbaniya in hastily applied theatre camo c1941.
 
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: arc3371 on July 06, 2012, 06:25:08 AM
Love the Airspeeds!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 07, 2012, 02:59:50 AM
 :) :)

The AS.19 has a definite Avia B-534 look to it.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Acree on July 07, 2012, 04:17:04 AM
 :) 8)

Love the AS.19 in particular.  What's with the tail-ski at Habbaniyah though?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 07, 2012, 04:35:56 AM
RAF forces in Iraq were the epitome of extemporisation!  :P

....or ......  The original D.XIX profile I have is rather sparse and low-rez so I used my D.XVII (which has a skid) as a basis for the D.XIX.

Quote
.....has a definite Avia B-534 look to it

Yeah it really struck me as being quite similar too but no B-534s were harmed in the making of this profile!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on July 08, 2012, 05:39:12 AM
Love the Affray/Agave EH ... and completely plausible. But belated congrats on the Ca.135 developments. Going on looks alone, that was an airplane than deserved a better fate. Pallavicino would be proud  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 08, 2012, 05:55:53 AM
Thanks apophenia!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8450/7924588086_0cb89507ed_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924588086/)
McDonnell F-88C USAF 37th FIS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924588086/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The APQ-50A radar and (lamentable) Westinghouse J46 engines (necessitating bulkier engine housings) were the defining features of the F-88C all-weather fighter.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 08, 2012, 06:09:16 AM
That looks great! :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: arc3371 on July 08, 2012, 06:25:41 AM
Indeed
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 10, 2012, 07:47:10 PM
Thanks!

Thought I'd have a go at 3-D modelling. After an afternoon and evening learning the ropes and 3 attempts at something XF-88 shaped, I got this far with gmax. Caution! Very, VERY WIP!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Wyrmshadow on July 10, 2012, 07:49:34 PM
I have been modeling for years and I have yet to make a quality aircraft fuselage like that.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 11, 2012, 10:08:09 AM
^ Thank you for the encouragement!

Progress:

(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/3D%20Models/XF-88Mesh4.jpg)

Still a very long way to go but now roughly plane-shaped!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 11, 2012, 06:57:58 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Dr. YoKai on July 11, 2012, 10:18:18 PM
 My hat's off to anyone who makes the effort at learning 3d modeling. One of those things I'd like to learn, but am still a little intimidated by...good luck!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 11, 2012, 11:32:07 PM
Thanks! After hours of trawling through youtube tutorials, I'm a little intimidated myself!

I would still recommend anyone having a go. If you just dabble, with no fixed end result in mind, you may be surprised how far you get.

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 12, 2012, 02:11:24 AM
What software are you using?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 12, 2012, 05:14:49 AM
What software are you using?


Gmax

http://www.turbosquid.com/gmax (http://www.turbosquid.com/gmax)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 13, 2012, 04:08:22 AM
OK I've given up on the polygon or "cylinder" method and am giving the spline method a go. I can definitely recommend the spline method. You can get a lot closer to the desired shape with a lot less tweaking and messing about.

Decided to go with the original Su-15 as it's shape is simplistic enough for a 1st-timer but it's still got that retro charm!  ;)

http://prototypes.free.fr/t6/t6-1e.htm (http://prototypes.free.fr/t6/t6-1e.htm)

If anyone is interested in the spline technique, there are a lot of tutorials online and on youtube in particular but this site really helped me get my head round it:

http://www.mr-jose.com/gmaxcourse/gmax-6.htm (http://www.mr-jose.com/gmaxcourse/gmax-6.htm)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 13, 2012, 05:40:41 AM
Looking good
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on July 13, 2012, 12:05:56 PM
So good and so USAF 50's 60's.   :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 14, 2012, 02:43:45 AM
So good and so USAF 50's 60's.   :-*


 :icon_music:
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: arc3371 on July 14, 2012, 03:03:37 AM
Looka interesting, how hard is it to learn making these 3d profiles?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 14, 2012, 03:08:19 AM
Looka interesting, how hard is it to learn making these 3d profiles?

It isn't hard per se but there is a learning curve (it has it's steep bits). I only started on Monday so to get the basics should take a few days but it is very time consuming.

Everyone is different though. Some could do better in half an hour I'm sure!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: arc3371 on July 14, 2012, 04:27:48 AM
You seem to be making great progress !
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 14, 2012, 09:06:18 AM
Thanks!

Bent the fuselage back to make something of a lip for the intake. Dunno what is going on with the fuselage-radome join yet. I need to sweep it back a bit but it'll do for now.  :)

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on July 23, 2012, 12:15:08 PM
Looking good! :)
I have tried another 3D software, but... asymmetric aircraft were impossible to handle.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 26, 2012, 06:05:33 AM
Thanks! I wouldn't even know where to start with an asymmetric aircraft!

Over a year ago now, I did a profile that was intended to be part of a larger idea. I've decided to revisit it.

Essentially, CAC purchases the license to built the Douglas TBD Devastator as a back-up torpedo-bomber to the Bristol Beaufort, c1938, finds it pretty inadequate and tries to find other uses for the design. The resultant designs mimic CAC's real-life North American-based design family.

I envisaged a trainer somewhat similar to the Fairey Battle trainer variants (I have the kits set aside to build this one day) supplanting the Wirraway, a twin-engine sturmovik type similar to the Woomera, and a cut-down, single-seat Devastator derivation for the Boomerang. It was with the latter I started last time so here we go again:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8311/7924660574_df6525e3a3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660574/)
CAC CA-12 Boomerang RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660574/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

I'm also planning something of an evolution of this Boomerang into something like the CA-15. It perhaps won't be the world-beater the real CA-15 was but it ain't gonna be no slouch either!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 26, 2012, 09:14:38 AM
Concerns over availability of Pratt & Whitney's R-2800 led CAC to begin investigating alternatives. One engine that was looked at was the same company's R-2060 Yellowjacket. On the backburner for a number of years, this liquid-cooled, 20-cylinder engine was finally reaching maturity but had yet to find any major applications. Thus, P&W practically bit off the Australian's hand when they purchased a production license and several examples, for use on the CA-15 Minka. A derivative of the Boomerang, the CA-15 was named for the legendary bird, whose appearance foretold certain death!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7924660254_e95d68fc81_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660254/)
CAC CA-15 Minka RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660254/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: AGRA on July 26, 2012, 09:24:27 AM
That looks Awesome. And great story, never heard of the R-2060 until now.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on July 26, 2012, 02:15:30 PM
The Boomerang is top! 8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on July 27, 2012, 02:56:57 AM
I too am learning 3D programs and it is really challenging. Great work
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 27, 2012, 04:00:44 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7924660954_5a93093c74_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660954/)
CAC CA-8 Wirraway RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660954/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

CAC CA-8 Wirraway.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 27, 2012, 04:15:25 AM
Lots of goodness here. :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: ChernayaAkula on July 27, 2012, 06:19:48 AM
I love the nose-art on the trainer!  ;D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on July 27, 2012, 06:48:17 AM
Love both the evolved Boomer and the CA-15 Minka  :-*

I love the nose-art on the trainer!

Always good to put essential instruction right on the airframe  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on July 28, 2012, 12:49:48 AM
Your CA-8 is delicious... :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 28, 2012, 05:19:50 AM
Thanks y'all!

A while back I did a *small* number of Republic birds but managed to leave at least one idea out, an early F-105 based on the original J71 engined design. I've only ever seen a model of the original Republic AP-63:

(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k190/Mike_Fiz/AP63_Republic.jpg)

Never seen a line drawing so the following can be considered highly speculative (loosely based on the XF-84H with RF-84F & XF-91 bits).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/7924690880_6b9c02a894_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924690880/)
Republic YF-105A (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924690880/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr



Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on July 28, 2012, 10:34:46 PM
Very interesting
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on July 29, 2012, 12:23:16 AM
Lots of goodness here. :)

More goodness in one place than ought to be legal!

Outstanding stuff!!!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 29, 2012, 12:39:12 AM
Thanks guys!

Next up is a pair of Westland W.37 Warrior FAW.1s, both of 738 NAS, though the latter is in the colour scheme of the Red Devils display team:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8035/7924709342_4288a7efd2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924709342/)
Westland Warrior FAW.1 738 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924709342/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8435/7924708968_d33ebc2e41_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924708968/)
Westland Warrior FAW.1 738 NAS Red Devils (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924708968/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 29, 2012, 02:44:51 AM
I love that Red Devils roundel! :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 29, 2012, 08:56:08 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/7924407022_8dd45578e5_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924407022/)
Blackburn Bantam FAW.2 898 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924407022/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Blackburn B-89 Bantam FAW.2 of 898 NAS.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on July 30, 2012, 08:48:03 AM
I love that Red Devils roundel! :)

Ditto!  :D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 31, 2012, 02:00:54 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8440/7924840622_61073d586b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924840622/)
Consolidated - Vultee P-81A USAAF ETO Night Bomber Escort (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924840622/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

As the sun breaches the horizon, a P-81A escort fighter returns to it's home base after a busy night defending the USAAF's bomber force.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7924840978_f493c247de_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924840978/)
Consolidated - Vultee P-81A Costa Rican AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924840978/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A P-81A of the Fuerza Aérea Costa Rica.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on July 31, 2012, 02:56:48 AM
The P-81 is very interesting: congrats
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 31, 2012, 05:02:05 PM
Thanks.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8304/7924842908_88a12c0bcf_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924842908/)
Consolidated - Vultee B-32B Dominator USAAF ETO Night Bomber (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924842908/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Consolidated-Vultee B-32B Dominator of the USAAF's Night Bomber Force.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2012, 06:35:57 PM
Oh yeah!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Doom! on July 31, 2012, 11:29:00 PM
Love the newest addition  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on August 01, 2012, 10:03:05 AM
Love the P-81A! So Consolidated Vultee stayed with Merlins for the 'A model?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 01, 2012, 06:44:13 PM
Thanks!

Quote
Love the P-81A! So Consolidated Vultee stayed with Merlins for the 'A model?

As a quick, get it out the factory door solution, yes. The T31 and T41 turboprops would come later. I figured doctrinally, the A model would pootle about like something of a pregnant Mustang for the most part but when something came up after their heavies, they would fire up the J33. With an intelligent use of this extra kinetic energy, they should be able to mess up/scare off *most* opposition.

Next up is my Black Projects entry. Just working on the finishing touches!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on August 02, 2012, 12:00:18 AM
A night Dominator? Absolutely brilliant, Empty Handed!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 02, 2012, 12:48:43 AM
Thanks!

My Black Projects Entry:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/7924872678_3950cf724a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924872678/)
Lockheed A-10-4 USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924872678/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1736.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1736.0)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 02, 2012, 02:35:53 AM
Mmmm :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: AXOR on August 02, 2012, 02:36:44 AM
Niiice  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 02, 2012, 07:48:10 PM
Thanks!

My Pirate GB entry, a Chance-Vought F6U-3N Pirate of VF(N)-17 Jolly Rogers:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7924876650_030710c29b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924876650/)
Chance-Vought F6U-3N Pirate USN VF(N)-17 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924876650/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on August 03, 2012, 04:03:50 AM
Great ones
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 05, 2012, 05:55:05 PM
Thanks!

Republic MX-1483 "Floating wing tips on F-84":

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8461/7924880032_1c05a89c0e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924880032/)
Republic MX-1483 (F-84E) USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924880032/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/mx/1000-1499.html (http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/mx/1000-1499.html)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on August 07, 2012, 11:56:52 AM
Great stuff EH! Once you're on to the MX- designations, you're into real obscura  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Brian da Basher on August 09, 2012, 06:41:29 AM
That Chance-Vought F6U-3N definitely is Pirate GB material for sure!

Love the Republic MX-1483 too!

Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on August 10, 2012, 03:44:20 PM
These profiles are inspiring to try in plastic.   :) :) :)
If only I had more time and skill.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 18, 2012, 12:32:39 AM
Thanks all!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7924595672_b38aee5c0d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924595672/)
McDonnell F3H-2P Voodoo VFP-64 USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924595672/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

McDonnell F3H-2P Voodoo of VFP-64.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on August 18, 2012, 01:42:08 AM
Love the smooth shape of the F3H!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 18, 2012, 03:05:00 AM
Mmmm...more Voodoos please.  maybe some RAF, RAAF, etc, etc... ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 18, 2012, 04:35:55 AM
Thanks!

It's a Voodoo Greg but not as we know it! It's got a F3H Demon wing for a bit more lift over the fantail. I don't think I can face putting the old wing back but if that's OK, I'll get right on it.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 18, 2012, 07:37:36 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7924594082_5bef9837a8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924594082/)
McDonnell RF-3K Voodoo FR.1 RAF 2 Squadron (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924594082/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

McDonnell RF-3K Voodoo FR.1 of RAF 2 Sqn.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 18, 2012, 08:05:47 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: ChernayaAkula on August 18, 2012, 08:51:49 AM
An RAF Photo-Voodoo has been on my to-do-list for years now, so  :)!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 18, 2012, 09:25:43 AM
Thanks!

I've re-done the tail fillet to something a bit more representative (after wrestling with photobucket - seems that if you upload a file with the same name as one you've deleted, you get lumbered with the deleted file not the new one??!!!!! Even after clearing cookies!).

A 13 Sqn RF-101B (Matchbox 1/72) was one of my 1st models so I'll have to do a few RAF machines. AMI & SAAF also spring to mind but next up is the RAAF.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on August 18, 2012, 01:00:01 PM
Congratulations for your new profile.
I had the same unpleasant experience with Photobucket, but when I gave up, I had the surprise that the IMG link directed to the new picture, the right one.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 19, 2012, 12:36:54 AM
Thanks Tophe! Glad I'm not the only one.

Here's the VF-74 Be-Devilers fighter variant, take two:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8175/7924596130_f58694d961_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924596130/)
McDonnell F3H-2 Voodoo VF-74 USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924596130/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Litvyak on August 19, 2012, 12:57:09 AM
Those Voodoos are awesome!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 19, 2012, 01:45:42 AM
Thanks Litvyak!

Greg, I hope you don't mind a non-standard colour scheme on the RAAF bird? This has to be one of the classiest c/s out there!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8303/7924594686_66bdbdbcab_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924594686/)
McDonnell RF-3E Voodoo RAAF 75 Squadron - Black Diamonds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924594686/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A RF-3E Voodoo of RAAF 75 Sqn's Black Diamonds display team.

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: AXOR on August 19, 2012, 01:54:24 AM
I like those Voodoos  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 19, 2012, 03:36:33 AM
 :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on August 19, 2012, 06:48:23 AM
Thanks!

It's a Voodoo Greg but not as we know it! It's got a F3H Demon wing for a bit more lift over the fantail. I don't think I can face putting the old wing back but if that's OK, I'll get right on it.
I've got something similar as a project, a navalized F-101B with the Demon's wing fitted.  I'll prboably also replace the missile bay with a gun bay similar to that on the single-seat Voodoo fighters and I'm thinking that dropping the horizontal down to the fuselage would help in coming aboard the boat.  I'm considering also reducing the vertical tail to match the original Voodoo mockup with the low horizontal.  ::shrug:: It depends on how much carving I feel up to.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 19, 2012, 07:13:56 AM
^ Sounds cool! Have you decided on unit markings yet?

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8320/7924595020_2034945a5a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924595020/)
McDonnell RF-3E Voodoo AMI 51 Stormo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924595020/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

RF-3E of AMI 51 Stormo.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 19, 2012, 07:17:06 AM
Wicked!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on August 19, 2012, 11:48:46 AM
^ Sounds cool! Have you decided on unit markings yet?
Nope, though it will be a USN squadron.  Speaking of this project, anyone know where I can purchase an Aeroclub 1/72 F-101A/C conversion for Hasegawa's RF-101C?  I want the gun muzzle fairings for this project.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 20, 2012, 06:26:35 AM
^ You probably already know of this one but what the hay......

http://www.joesmodels.com/AEROCLUB_72_conversions.htm (http://www.joesmodels.com/AEROCLUB_72_conversions.htm)      (2nd from last)

Meanwhile, the winner of the Voodoo of the Week Award goes to...... South Africa.......

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8322/7924592704_10504d8b11_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924592704/)
McDonnell RF-3Z Voodoo SAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924592704/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Litvyak on August 20, 2012, 06:54:27 AM
SAAF F-101 = <3
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on August 20, 2012, 06:58:38 AM
Meanwhile, the winner of the Voodoo of the Week Award goes to...... South Africa.......

Nice!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on August 20, 2012, 07:19:33 AM
No, I wasn't aware of that source and have now emailed them with regard to availability.  I'll likely get two conversions, one as a spare "just in case".  They've got a lot of other kits I'm looking for, too.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 21, 2012, 06:07:32 AM
Thanks for the comments guys!

I intend to do a few more Voodoos but in the meantime, something that has been on the back-burner for an age.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8316/7924988420_4eed844b27_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924988420/)
North American B-45C Tornado B.1 RAF 218 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924988420/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A North American B-45C Tornado B.1 of 218 Sqn, featuring the Orange Barrel tail-warning radar.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Cliffy B on August 21, 2012, 06:30:35 AM
Voodoos are always cool, keep 'em up!

That Tornado......it must be built :-*



You know, after look at that Tornado for awhile I can't help but notice how similar it looks to an A-20 Havoc; just me?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Scooterman on August 21, 2012, 10:56:43 AM
SAAF RF-101 for the win!!!

Drippy sexy hot!!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on August 21, 2012, 12:00:18 PM
Yours and the real F-101s are a class act   8)  8)  8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 21, 2012, 06:07:40 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 21, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/7924593512_8e347f7e63_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924593512/)
McDonnell RF-3K Voodoo FR.1A RAF 8 Squadron (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924593512/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

An 8 Sqn Voodoo at low level.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 22, 2012, 10:29:59 AM

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7835393936_37f1c5d97d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835393936/)
North American KB-45E USAF &amp; F-105A AdlA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835393936/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

An AdlA F-105A Thunderchief of EC 1/1 eases into position behind a USAF Mediterranean Command KB-45E Tornado after a successful practice delivery of a special store during NATO exercises.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7270/7835479692_10f9f42b04_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835479692/)
North American KB-45E Tornado USAF Med Com (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835479692/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8422/7835321096_ae7a91cbde_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835321096/)
Republic F-105A AdlA EC 1-1 Corse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835321096/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: dy031101 on August 22, 2012, 10:58:29 AM
Um...... cool B-45......  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Dr. YoKai on August 24, 2012, 01:35:10 AM
 The B- 45 is a gorgeous and sadly neglected aircraft-I wish there were a less expensive option than
 the Mach 2 kit...( which I gather is a bear to build, besides. )

 Great profiles!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Cliffy B on August 24, 2012, 01:37:21 AM
I agree with Doc!  Is there no 1/144 kit?  Please keep the Tornadoes coming!!!!  8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: TerryCampion on August 24, 2012, 11:54:15 PM
Oh magnificent.... :P :P
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: BolianAdmiral on August 25, 2012, 02:41:05 AM
Very nice... awesome work, all around!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on September 04, 2012, 06:04:17 AM
Thanks!

I have a couple of B-45s in the works. I would have finished one of them this evening but I've finally had it with photobucket's seemingly optional picture loading! I've now uploaded all the more recent stuff to Flickr.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: arc3371 on September 04, 2012, 07:46:12 AM
Great looking profiles
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on September 04, 2012, 02:31:18 PM
The B- 45 is a gorgeous and sadly neglected aircraft-I wish there were a less expensive option than
 the Mach 2 kit...( which I gather is a bear to build, besides. )

 Great profiles!

Well said Dr. Yokai.  Like more of B-45 in pixal and plastic.
Empty Handed > Good job and more of B-45 is fine by me.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on September 06, 2012, 05:45:52 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/7939609336_73bf719902_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7939609336/)
North American SB-45C Tornado USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7939609336/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

North American SB-45C Tornado on an air-sea rescue mission over the Alaskan landscape. Note the Fulton surface-to-air recovery system.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on September 12, 2012, 05:55:36 AM
In Grumman Swing-Wing XF10F-1 Jaguar by Corwin 'Corky' Meyer, there is a 3-view of the original Grumman G-83 design which was somewhat more conventional and clearly derivative of the F9F Panther (as well as a couple of other alternative designs which I will come to later). It inspired the following:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/7977697739_202228b82f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977697739/)
Grumman F10F-1 Leopard USN VF-24 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977697739/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8455/7977699538_93578997fe_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977699538/)
Grumman F10F-1 Leopard USN VF-154 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977699538/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8308/7977699738_272f6606cd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977699738/)
Grumman F10F-1 Leopard USN VA-214 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977699738/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on September 12, 2012, 06:15:42 AM
I wanted to try a USAF style scheme on a USN bird with the full U.S. Navy title on the nose and a buzz number etc. and this was the result.....

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8306/7977800290_9dbbff525d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977800290/)
Grumman F10F-1 Leopard USN VF-213 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977800290/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 12, 2012, 03:30:35 PM
Mmmmm.....
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on September 12, 2012, 11:19:56 PM
The second pass at the G-83 was far closer to the XF10F-1 that we know and love. It had a conventional low horizontal tail that Corky believed would have resulted in a much more successful aircraft.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/7979614407_dbb5ccf0af_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7979614407/)
Grumman XF10F-1 Jaguar USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7979614407/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The other drawing in the book is of the G-86, a J40 and Curtiss-Wright rocket engined interceptor. Due to it's similarity to the G-83 (II) above, it could naturally be made part of the XF10F family.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8297/7979686186_80e1329a6e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7979686186/)
Grumman XF10F-2 Jaguar USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7979686186/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 13, 2012, 02:08:37 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on October 20, 2012, 07:08:05 PM
Over on secretprojects, its mentioned that Republic was interested in building the SNCASE Grognard for the B-57 competition.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1506.msg12807.html#msg12807 (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1506.msg12807.html#msg12807)

So I thought it would be interesting to see what Kartveli would do with it. Presenting the Republic B-57A Veteran:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8467/8105024631_5b70293c5f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8105024631/)
Republic B-57A Veteran USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8105024631/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: raafif on October 21, 2012, 03:57:12 AM
that blue&white Jaguar looks nice !
           A Lend-lease version for the RN too maybe ?

I like the top intake for the Republic B-57A Veteran USAF by mtpalmer1, on Flickr :)  Include that on some of yours ?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 21, 2012, 04:36:59 AM
Wow!!!

Any chance of a SNCASE Grognard in this scheme:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/USA%20and%20Europe/89_6_b1.jpg)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on October 21, 2012, 05:02:52 AM
raafif, not sure if you're joking or not but I AM mtpalmer. "Empty Handed" - m-t Palm (er). Clever, no? (Whatdya mean no?!!)  ;)

Greg, I used the unbuilt SE-2418 Grognard variant from Cuny's book as a basis and my B-57 has very little of it left (mainly around the cockpit area). A Grognard would require a completely new drawing (7-8ish hours work for a full up profile). If you mean an Israeli "B-57" then cool although I will hold off until you've seen the B-57E (should be an hour or 2). It could be right up the IDF's alley!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 21, 2012, 05:05:48 AM
I am happy with whatever you do - even something that looks a little Grognardish would be fine.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on October 21, 2012, 09:39:08 AM
^ Cool!

For the B-57E, I essentially wanted to transmogrify Republic's interpretation of the Grognard into something of a "deep Thunderchief". Did you know that ALL alternate universes have a Thunderchief? Yeah. It's Heisenberg's 105th Law.

Anyhoo, this was the result....

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8327/8107163448_566214e240_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8107163448/)
Republic B-57E Veteran USAF SEA Camouflage (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8107163448/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr



 
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on October 21, 2012, 11:39:34 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8188/8107437750_9d7d218e27_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8107437750/)
Republic B-57B Khayál IDF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8107437750/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Republic B-57B, called the Khayál locally, of the IDF.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 21, 2012, 12:11:23 PM
 :). Thanks
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: dy031101 on October 22, 2012, 07:07:35 AM
The configuration...... makes me think of a seaplane derivative in the vein of Saro P.121 (scroll down a little more) (http://www.airvectors.net/avcmast.html#m3)......
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on October 22, 2012, 09:49:25 AM
Nice! Love the 'E version  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 29, 2012, 07:54:32 AM
Thanks all!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8346/8227565613_21a72e1453_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8227565613/)
Boeing SB-1 USN VS-37 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8227565613/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Boeing SB-1 Huntress was essentially a production Boeing Model 490. Here we see a VS-37 example.

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on November 29, 2012, 11:28:52 AM
Nice! Does the SB-1 evolve from the XF8B-1?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on November 29, 2012, 09:57:13 PM
Very nice one!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on November 30, 2012, 03:56:19 AM
great one
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 30, 2012, 05:23:31 AM
Thanks all!

Nice! Does the SB-1 evolve from the XF8B-1?


It's based on the Boeing 490 which can be found on page 3 in the following secretprojects thread. It can apparently be found in "Boeing XF8B Last of the Line" by Jared A. Zichek so I would guess it is indeed derived from the F8B.

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,584.30.html (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,584.30.html)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 30, 2012, 06:09:11 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8230078885_63d1c5e5eb_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8230078885/)
Northrop F-89F Scorpion USAF 27th FIS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8230078885/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Northrop F-89F Scorpion of 27th FIS.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 30, 2012, 09:06:01 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8230415939_3dcc21d106_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8230415939/)
Boeing SB-1 MLD (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8230415939/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Boeing SB-1 of the Marine-Luchtvaartdienst.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on November 30, 2012, 04:37:51 PM
Thanks Empty Handed for the Dutch SB-1. I love it. :-*

regards
Lauhof
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on November 30, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
F-89F  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 01, 2012, 04:47:28 AM
Thanks!

In it's continuing quest to interdict the Ho Chi Minh trail under Operation Shed Light, the USAF purchased several surplus Boeing S-2Ds and outfitted them with a combined FLIR/LLLTV sensor and a bomb bay modified to serve as a cluster munitions dispenser. The result was the AS-2D Tropic Owl.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8232300329_0329403866_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8232300329/)
Boeing AS-2D USAF 'Shed Light' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8232300329/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Here an AS-2D, having expended it's weapons, releases flares to allow other assets to engage the target.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Shed_Light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Shed_Light)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 01, 2012, 06:05:22 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 01, 2012, 06:48:23 AM
Ooo, the AS-2D looks deadly serious  :)  An upgrade with a slow-turning, multi-blade prop would be just the thing for stealthier night flying.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 01, 2012, 07:06:38 AM
Thanks.

Just FYI, I consider all SB/S-2s to come with a 4-bladed prop as standard (anything less and you are wasting a R-2800). I'm not too sure how to depict end on or near end on blades so I tend to make the whole thing a blur to depict a prop disc.

As for stealthiness, that's not what you bring an AS-2D to the party for!   >:D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 01, 2012, 07:14:25 AM
Point taken. I was thinking there'd be value added if Charlie's first hint that his day was going pear-shaped was the patter of falling submunitions  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 01, 2012, 07:51:33 AM
Oh I absolutely agree but in this instance, I'll have to settle for the 2nd hint that Charlie's day was going pear-shaped was the patter of falling submunitions!  ;D

Apologies if you already know of this, but the YO-3A makes for an interesting study in quietude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3)

YO-3A Osborne-Vietnam 1971 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_EVe7MjzRk#)

How well it would up-scale is an open (and fascinating) question!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 02, 2012, 05:55:24 AM
Apologies if you already know of this, but the YO-3A makes for an interesting study in quietude.

It does indeed. On a slightly larger scale was DHC's experiments with the Otter. At one stage they mounted huge mufflers and very broad blades on what looks like a Spitfire's five-bladed propeller hub. It wouldn't have been a patch on the YO-3A, of course.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 02, 2012, 06:06:50 AM
Oh I absolutely agree but in this instance, I'll have to settle for the 2nd hint that Charlie's day was going pear-shaped was the patter of falling submunitions!  ;D

Apologies if you already know of this, but the YO-3A makes for an interesting study in quietude.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3[/url])

How well it would up-scale is an open (and fascinating) question!


I worked with a guy that used to fly the second seat on the YO-3 as the sensor operator.  He said that they used to fly low enough to look under the forest canopy along the river at night.  Doing that in a quiet aircraft gives you a significant advantage when you are trying to locate your antagonists without alerting them.  Since the FLIR sensor was mounted under the aircraft that means they were flying quite low and I would imagine it took no small amount of effort and courage to pull that off without a failure of your starfish gasket. 

I like the idea of an Otter or Beaver with a propeller sporting many blades.  The more the better!  With companies such as Quick Boost and others that provide resin replacement propellers it would be easy to source a propeller from a Griffon engined Spitfire or maybe a Sea Fury.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on December 02, 2012, 06:22:05 AM
Hmm, that suggests a Mitsubishi LR-1 derivative with a modified pair of Garrett turboprops driving comparatively slow-rotating eight-bladed props and IR-surpressed exhausts.

LR-1 = Unpressurized JGSF "amy co-op" version of the MU-2 including weapons capability.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 02, 2012, 06:36:09 AM
I like the idea of an Otter or Beaver with a propeller sporting many blades.  The more the better!  With companies such as Quick Boost and others that provide resin replacement propellers it would be easy to source a propeller from a Griffon engined Spitfire or maybe a Sea Fury.

Doh  :-[  I hadn't thought of a Sea Fury origin for the RW prop. Thanks, that makes way more sense!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 02, 2012, 08:59:35 PM
Would the LR-1 not run straight into the NIH syndrome? What home grown aircraft could be modified to fulfil a similar role? Rockwell Aero Commander? The Otter has already got a foot in the door so I could definitely see that.

Also observation is all well and good but these are gonna need interoperability with some heavy prosecution platforms. So what do people see bringing the rain? I think the Intruder would be ideal but since trail interdiction seems to have been primarily a USAF thing, the Grumman product could also run into NIH and the USN would probably be reluctant to release the airframes too!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on December 03, 2012, 08:34:18 AM
Would the LR-1 not run straight into the NIH syndrome? What home grown aircraft could be modified to fulfil a similar role? Rockwell Aero Commander? The Otter has already got a foot in the door so I could definitely see that.

Also observation is all well and good but these are gonna need interoperability with some heavy prosecution platforms. So what do people see bringing the rain? I think the Intruder would be ideal but since trail interdiction seems to have been primarily a USAF thing, the Grumman product could also run into NIH and the USN would probably be reluctant to release the airframes too!
Well, considering that all MU-2s delivered outside of Japan were assembled, checked out, and delivered in the US (San Angelo, TX - I know, I worked for them once upon a time as Chief (and only) Powerplant Engineer), I don't know that the NIH syndrome would be quite as powerful.  Having said that, the same engines and propellers mounted on the OV-10 (since the T76 is the military version of the TPE331) would make more sense and permit more stores possibilities.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 03, 2012, 08:25:04 PM
^ I didn't know that. Dis-regard my last then.

It is certainly the best what if idea for an MU-2 I've encountered. If I ever get my grubby little mitts on one, I'll definitely do something along those lines.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on December 04, 2012, 10:08:45 AM
For heavy interdiction bringing the rain, how about a USAF buy of Intruders much as they later bought Corsair IIs?  Alternatively, given the relationship McAir and Blackburn had fostered over the British Pahntoms, perhaps a buy of McDonnell/Blackburn A-8 Buccaneers?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 06, 2012, 07:15:05 AM
I will definitely have to do some USAF Intruders.

First though, I had an idea yesterday that I just couldn't get out of my head of using the outline of a Martin B-10 as a basis for a single-seat, single-engine fighter. This was the result...

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8337/8247595659_75dcc103a3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8247595659/)
Martin XP-41 USAAC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8247595659/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: arc3371 on December 06, 2012, 07:47:55 AM
I like it and it got that late 30´s feel
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on December 06, 2012, 07:54:17 AM
^ I didn't know that. Dis-regard my last then.

It is certainly the best what if idea for an MU-2 I've encountered. If I ever get my grubby little mitts on one, I'll definitely do something along those lines.
Well, cross the radar-nose from Hasegawa's Mu-2S with their Mu-2J to do a drug interdictor for the US Customs Service.  The fiberglass fairings in front of the main gear sponsons would allow you to mount sensors there and neatly fair them in, or as a start for mounting more aggressive capabilities.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on December 06, 2012, 07:56:36 AM
I will definitely have to do some USAF Intruders.

First though, I had an idea yesterday that I just couldn't get out of my head of using the outline of a Martin B-10 as a basis for a single-seat, single-engine fighter. This was the result...
Very nice and looking the part and period very well.  'Twould be fascinating to see an evolved version as Martin met the demands of the frontlines.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 06, 2012, 12:46:34 PM
First though, I had an idea yesterday that I just couldn't get out of my head of using the outline of a Martin B-10 as a basis for a single-seat, single-engine fighter...

Dang that's nice  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 06, 2012, 09:13:31 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys!

I wasn't planning on it but several Martin fighter ideas snuck up on me overnight. Please stay tuned!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 07, 2012, 06:57:48 AM
I was hoping that you were gonna say that  :D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 08, 2012, 04:08:55 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8340/8253340082_cdbf6ee48a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253340082/)
Martin P-43A USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253340082/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Martin P-43 was a straightforward development of the XP-41. Featuring a P&W R-2180 Twin Hornet of 1400hp, the P-43 Myrmidon was reasonably fast and maneuverable but was quickly left behind by more advanced pursuit aircraft (including some of Martin's own). By the second half of the war, many had been relegated to squadron hack status, as with the above example.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8204/8253354508_4db06b2d72_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253354508/)
Martin B2M-1 USN VB-1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253354508/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Martin B2M-1 was an early attempt at a multi-role aircraft, supposedly being equally at home in the dive-bomber and torpedo-bomber roles. In reality, while it was competent in either role, it never really excelled and was quickly superceded by later aircraft. In the early Pacific campaign however, the R-2180 powerplant gave it a fair turn of speed for it's size and combined with it's stocky construction, allowed many a B2M through picket lines that might otherwise have been shot down.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 08, 2012, 04:15:06 AM
 :) :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Doom! on December 08, 2012, 04:28:26 AM
Both of these are great!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 08, 2012, 09:44:19 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8068/8253993960_e95df5a1f9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253993960/)
Martin P-49E USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253993960/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Martin P-49E was a modification of the basic P-49A (then as yet unflown) to fulfil an urgent requirement for a high altitude interceptor. When the threat of high-altitude bombers did not materialise, the P-49Es found useful employment with several photo-reconnaissance squadrons.

Here the turbo-supercharged Packard V-2240 Griffon sings as the P-49E reaches it's service ceiling of 46,397ft.


FYI This one came to me while looking at a B-10 fuselage upside-down and thinking it looked reminiscent of the BV-155C. There is a B-10 in there somewhere!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 08, 2012, 10:37:24 AM
This is so cool.  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Jeremak on December 09, 2012, 01:45:44 AM
These Martins look like they came from scenario where P-47 doesn't exist form one or another cause. P-49 E look particulary nice. Maybe other versions?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 09, 2012, 02:59:57 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 09, 2012, 03:01:53 AM
Thanks! The early Martin fighters are indeed very much similar to the P-47's forebearers. The B-10 outline I used as a basis shares the same pot-bellied look of the Seversky/Republic fighters so it seemed natural to have a similar progression. I hope the P-49 is a sufficient departure from this quasi-plagerism!  ;)

While doing the P-49E, it struck me as quite pretty in it's own way and so, working backwards, I came up with a 'standard' variant for the E to be developed from. I'm quite pleased with the result!


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8482/8254654095_4afcd55bf7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8254654095/)
Martin P-49C Meteor USAAF 456th FS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8254654095/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 09, 2012, 03:11:43 AM
Needs some nose art... ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Jeremak on December 09, 2012, 08:51:04 PM
And Griffon powered long range version, escorting B-29 over Japan.  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 09, 2012, 10:14:31 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8078/8257975682_07621973f2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8257975682/)
Martin XP-68 USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8257975682/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The Martin XP-68 on it's maiden flight.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 10, 2012, 05:29:12 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 10, 2012, 07:51:30 AM
Thanks!

Since there was no production contract forthcoming for the XP-68, the second, partially-constructed, prototype was extensively modified to become Martin's entry for the MX-511 requirement. Shortly thereafter, it became known as the XP-83. With it's 2 underpowered J34s, the XP-83 was slow, ponderous and heavy on the controls. It faired no better than it's piston-engined sibling and remained the sole example.

It was later handed over to the USAF where it found some use testing equipment for the various new-generation jet nightfighters.


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8223/8258605861_43016df08f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258605861/)
Martin XP-83 USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258605861/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

From the archive: The XP-83 was intended to be the first in a new heavy fighter dynasty. Alas, it was not to be. This sketch, titled 'Martin Supersonic Interceptor For The 50s' was drawn shortly after the XP-83's first flight. It could be considered to be the ultimate evolution of the XP-83 configuration.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8258607111_c2c0a0f6e2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258607111/)
Martin Supersonic Interceptor For The 50s (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258607111/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Needs some nose art... ;)


I did try and have a go at some nose art......

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8061/8258626795_bb56ec81fb_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258626795/)
Nose Art (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258626795/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on December 10, 2012, 10:26:49 AM
That nose art looks like it would be perfect for a recce bird.  *grin* I can just see it on an operational F-12 "Rainbow" operating at will over Der Grosser Reich.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 10, 2012, 07:45:49 PM
Looking good.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 11, 2012, 05:57:15 AM
Love the fighters -- especially the mid-engined one -- but my personal fav is still the B2M-1  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 12, 2012, 05:29:19 AM
Thanks!

Martin XP-84 & XP-84A Marlin:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8265499042_430a3de4a9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8265499042/)
Martin XP-84 Marlin USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8265499042/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8504/8264430481_ec10d4b45c_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8264430481/)
Martin XP-84A Marlin USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8264430481/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

--- Derived from the P-49, with Republic's F-84 and SNCASO SO-6020 Espadon clearly influential.

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4349L.jpg (http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4349L.jpg)

http://www.aerofiles.com/repub-yp84a.jpg (http://www.aerofiles.com/repub-yp84a.jpg)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 12, 2012, 11:43:14 AM
There were only two B model F-84s ever produced. Both were taken off the A model production line in an effort to determine the best placement for the intake as the ventral position was prone to what is now known as FODing.

The first was fitted with a nose intake which resulted in much lower drag but precluded use of a radar and was thus quickly dismissed. The airframe was used as an engine testbed for all subsequent models that utilised the Allison J35.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8083/8266169586_84144952c1_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266169586/)
Martin XP-84B Marlin No. 1 USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266169586/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The second prototype, nearly complete, had the extended intake trunking bifurcated short of the nose, allowing two lateral intakes to be used and thus a radar to be retained. This configuration was selected for the next production model, the C, albeit with the intakes cut back to the wing root.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8071/8266171842_7c21ff9102_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266171842/)
Martin XP-84B Marlin No. 2 USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266171842/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8266283306_9603e5a25f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266283306/)
Martin F-84C Marlin IAC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266283306/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

A F-84C Marlin of the IAC.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 12, 2012, 12:37:59 PM
Great evolutionary process for the Marlins!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 12, 2012, 03:41:44 PM
Love the last one.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 13, 2012, 02:22:15 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8058/8266610363_cba8341794_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266610363/)
Martin F-84D Marlin USAF 22nd FBS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266610363/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8499/8267798236_3f42a2aa81_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8267798236/)
Martin YF-84E Marlin USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8267798236/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 13, 2012, 03:21:05 AM
Love that swoopy YF-84E! And its great how Martin keeps tweaking its intake designs  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 13, 2012, 10:04:38 PM
Thanks! I figured the "spectacle" intakes on the C, being hold-overs from the P-49's belly scoop in design, would be just about ready for replacement by '48/49.

As for the E, I envisioned a (primitive) afterburner which meant a longer engine. How to accommodate this without increasing the length of the aircraft, impinging on the nose or interfering with the new thin wing in a way in keeping with late '40s/early 50's design??? Chin intake.

That or I couldn't make up my mind!!! (I am a libran!)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 27, 2012, 01:58:48 AM
Got there in the end.....

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8499/8311624222_42718b2a85_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8311624222/)
Grumman A-6C Intruder USAF Combat Hammer (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8311624222/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Logan Hartke on December 27, 2012, 02:03:06 AM
That's nice!  I like it.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: ChernayaAkula on December 27, 2012, 05:24:29 AM
Way cool!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on December 30, 2012, 01:03:20 AM
Thanks guys!

Intruder swansong:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8501/8322596870_b0dd812e00_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8322596870/)
Grumman A-6G Intruder USAF 27th FW (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8322596870/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on December 30, 2012, 12:09:40 PM
Excellent shading on that A-6G!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 02, 2013, 02:13:26 AM
Thanks!

Here's a couple of quickies:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8499/8333137113_3b8392c052_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8333137113/)
Central NC.1080 Cimeterre IB Aeronavale (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8333137113/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8516/8357113901_859db6a70b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8357113901/)
Central NC.1090 Cimeterre II Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8357113901/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Slerski on January 03, 2013, 05:18:23 AM
Nice profiles, the NC.1080 have a kind of Attacker/Swift look  :)

(And just for the information, it's Centre not Central or AéroCentre  ;) )
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 03, 2013, 10:01:40 PM
Yeah there is quite a bit of a Supermarine vibe to them. Between that and the alliteration, Cimeterre just seemed a natural choice. I went with Central rather than Centre because Centre just didn't have that ring to it. I hope you'll forgive a tiny bit of artistic license.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Slerski on January 04, 2013, 03:09:28 AM
No problem, after all it's a sort of whiff-land  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 04, 2013, 08:03:32 PM
Inspired by Apophenia's recent Dewoitine offerings, I've decided to play with his idea of SNCAM sticking around post-war with Dewoitine at the helm. 

I intend to concentrate on Dewoitine's Argentinian designs and leave the D.520 derivations to the far more talented Apophenia. First up is the SNCAM M.650 (IAe 26):

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8081/8345872292_6a6152cca4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8345872292/)
SNCAM M.650 AdlA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8345872292/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 04, 2013, 11:48:15 PM
SNCAM M.700 (IAe 27):

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8495/8346503412_8da1d9cd5f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8346503412/)
SNCAM M.700 Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8346503412/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 05, 2013, 03:11:54 AM
The SNCAM M.720 was originally conceived as a fighter but was quickly overtaken by more advanced aircraft. Midi quickly developed a bi-place variant to act as a trainer. The result was the M.721.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8235/8346089383_c81c78ec4b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8346089383/)
SNCAM M.721 AdlA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8346089383/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 05, 2013, 09:45:53 AM
Oh wow, this is too cool EH! I was hoping that someone might take up the Midi story  :)

I like your M.650 and, as with the IAe 26, it makes me wonder about the RW 1940 M.580 project. I believe that this Midi project had tandem HS.12s arranged like those on the Arsenal VB.10 (maybe Tophe can confirm?).

Your SNCAM M.721 is a big improvement over the IAe 27! Not quite sure what Émile was thinking with that funky Pulqui I engine installation  :o

BTW, I love those tail endplates on your Cimeterre too!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Litvyak on January 05, 2013, 11:46:12 AM
The M.721 is gorgeous!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 07, 2013, 10:41:05 PM
Thanks!

I've always liked the shear brutality of the SE.580. I'll have to have a go at that someday. I've only found out about the original M.580 fairly recently from the thread here (toward the bottom):

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4110.msg170763.html#msg170763 (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4110.msg170763.html#msg170763)

It's quite an attractive design. I may have to add it to the list.

The M.721 is based on the real-world D.720 fighter project. I think I found it in the book Las Alas De Perón (scanned it from a library copy ages ago).

Next is the SNCAM M.705:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8183/8357082527_bf70da62ce_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8357082527/)
SNCAM M.705 Aeronavale (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8357082527/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The SNCAM M.705 was a direct development of the ungainly M.700 submitted to the same Aeronavale requirement as the Nord 2200 and Central Cimeterre. A limited production contract was awarded to SNCAM while the Aeronavale waited for Central to develop the definitive Cimeterre II. The M.705 gave the Aeronavale useful experience with higher performance jet aircraft in this interim period.

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 08, 2013, 02:31:22 AM
Lovely work as usual...especially the Intruders.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on January 08, 2013, 06:44:04 PM
Thanks!

I had intended on leaving the M.70* series at that but last night my muse clubbed me with a 2-by-4!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8233/8361202578_78f7edf217_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8361202578/)
SNCAM M.707N Engoulevent IN AdlA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8361202578/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on January 09, 2013, 01:13:16 PM
Very nice  :)  And great choice of names! Somehow the radar/intake say 'Soviet' while everything else about the M.707N is pure French  :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 10, 2013, 03:48:36 AM
Thanks apophenia!

The Republic XP-62 or "oh so that's why hardly anybody put a R-3350 on a fighter":

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8225/8459534378_e4aa9a881a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8459534378/)
Republic XP-62 USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8459534378/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Nicknamed Thundergut?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on February 10, 2013, 04:53:22 AM
Very cool.......
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 10, 2013, 06:42:54 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on February 11, 2013, 12:11:01 PM
I like your "improved" XP-62 :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on February 11, 2013, 12:18:25 PM
Your "improved" XP-62 is a fit for Luft 46.   :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 12, 2013, 01:17:08 AM
Thanks guys!

The Nakajima A2N1 was a licensed-built derivative of the Gloster Gnatsnapper II. It was selected over a Boeing-based design due to the A1N's (also originally a Gloster product) victory against Boeing P-12s over Shanghai in 1932.

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/a1n.htm (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/a1n.htm)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8465816502_8e00cb26b6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8465816502/)
Nakajima A2N1 IJN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8465816502/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Logan Hartke on February 12, 2013, 02:28:51 AM
That's lovely, Empty Handed.  I think it looks great.  I love Japanese 30s and 40s aviation, so I think that looks very nice.  I wish some of the aircraft detail was a little better defined so we could appreciate it more.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 12, 2013, 08:34:21 AM
That looks great!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 12, 2013, 10:55:33 AM
Thanks! Japanese 30s aviation is absolutely rife with potential what ifs. It is definitely an area I'll be re-visiting.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8237/8466088295_a1192a9b2a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8466088295/)
Gloster Gnatsnapper III RN 800 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8466088295/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Doom! on February 12, 2013, 12:31:39 PM
Love the Nakajima! Great color choices.  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on February 13, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
very cool gnatsnapper! ;D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 14, 2013, 08:02:55 AM
Thank you kindly.

Oh, BTW, this one is all Jorel's fault!  ;)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8100/8471406927_3ef8e3c7a7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8471406927/)
McDonnell P-78A Phantom USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8471406927/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on February 14, 2013, 10:06:08 AM
Oh, that's a nice one and I can buy a backstory of the USAF obtaining some for comparative test and evaluation purposes.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Cliffy B on February 14, 2013, 10:29:34 AM
Mmmmmm... build one and you'll fool many  8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on February 15, 2013, 02:06:19 AM
outstanding
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 15, 2013, 06:10:21 AM
Thanks! Whilst I was doing the Phantom, I came across a part-finished profile from a little way back and decided to finish it.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8097/8473731187_d7429fac8e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8473731187/)
McDonnell F2H-5 Banshee USN VF-21 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8473731187/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The McDonnell F2H-5 Banshee was a Banshee in name only and was actually a derivative of the F-88C Voodoo, sharing the latter's Westinghouse J46 engines and APQ-50A radar. As with many aircraft of the era, it's designation suggested an improved model of an existing design rather than an all-new aircraft as this was far more likely to be approved by Congress.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on February 15, 2013, 08:01:09 AM
Thanks! Whilst I was doing the Phantom, I came across a part-finished profile from a little way back and decided to finish it.
The McDonnell F2H-5 Banshee was a Banshee in name only and was actually a derivative of the F-88C Voodoo, sharing the latter's Westinghouse J46 engines and APQ-50A radar. As with many aircraft of the era, it's designation suggested an improved model of an existing design rather than an all-new aircraft as this was far more likely to be approved by Congress.
I intend to do this aircraft's latter sibling, the F3H-3 Demon, based on the F-101B.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Geist on February 15, 2013, 07:28:10 PM
I also saw the other profiles in flickr, great work.
Just a tip, to improve even more your work.
Try to give a bit more contrast to the highlights and shadows and consequently turn a little more dark the bottom surface of the wings than their shadows on the plane. :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 15, 2013, 10:19:04 PM
Thanks!

Geist, I'm afraid with these last few profiles, I've been striving to do the opposite of your advice! Shadows are rarely absolute, so I've been adding glints of light within the shadows. As an example, my kitchen handles are metal. They are beneath the counter line and cannot be in direct sunlight yet they each have a sheen running down their length - indirect lighting.

My profiles are all flyers. Though you cannot see them, they are all in reasonable proximity to clouds or a mostly innocuous planetary body and as such are indirectly lit by them, to varying degrees.

I suppose it is the varying degrees bit that is the problem as I tend to do both the highlights and shading on a case-by-case basis, going mainly by instinct. Since I have been studying aircraft pretty much every day for 30-odd years, I feel that my instincts are fairly well honed. I actually quite enjoy this process and feel my more recent efforts are reasonable depictions (YMMV).

That said, I have taken your advice onboard and will keep it in mind when doing profiles and may well add a few % to the shadows, a Geist Factor if you will.  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Geist on February 16, 2013, 03:43:55 AM
:)

Below the links to my works:
http://www.duhraviationart.com/ (http://www.duhraviationart.com/) (my website)

http://neuer-geist.deviantart.com/ (http://neuer-geist.deviantart.com/)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40823449@N03/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40823449@N03/)

http://www.facebook.com/DUhrArt?ref=ts&fref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/DUhrArt?ref=ts&fref=ts)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Luftwaffe-Confidential/154829451240860 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Luftwaffe-Confidential/154829451240860) about a book I did
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 16, 2013, 10:37:18 AM
^ Cool stuff!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8476812791_84daca2fa6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8476812791/)
McDonnell F-78C Phantom USAF 493rd FBS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8476812791/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8110/8476880991_91a707caf3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8476880991/)
McDonnell RF-78C Phantom USAF 191st TRS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8476880991/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 16, 2013, 11:37:40 AM
Sweet...
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on February 16, 2013, 10:55:53 PM
Very nice......  :icon_music:
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: arc3371 on February 17, 2013, 12:08:43 AM
Very nice
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Geist on February 17, 2013, 05:07:45 AM
Great.
I like the McDonnell F-78C Phantom USAF 493rd FBS by mtpalmer1. :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on February 17, 2013, 12:48:52 PM
Very nice! The Banshee looks great in USAF silver  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Logan Hartke on February 17, 2013, 01:48:59 PM
I love 1950s aviation, Empty Handed, so these are just great!

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on February 17, 2013, 02:13:53 PM
Do like these Banshees.  Can picture them in 1950s ADC service.  With two J-47s or there abouts.  Maybe F-89 wing tip rocket pods.
Extend service life with two dry F404 engines with avionics and armament upgrades.  Doable in styrene if not 1/1 aluminum etc....
Appreciate you doing these profiles.  Brings back one and only time I saw Banshees flying.

Phantom I --- Banshee --- looking same to me.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on February 17, 2013, 06:03:05 PM
Great one
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 17, 2013, 10:23:35 PM
Thank you everyone. I too, love 50s aviation.

FYI, I made Phantom the family name so that they could keep the F-78 designator, don't want to knock too many F-jets out of existence!  ;)

Quote
Can picture them in 1950s ADC service.  With two J-47s or there abouts.  Maybe F-89 wing tip rocket pods.


I like this plan alot. F-89 pods should be do-able on a F2H-3/4. 2 J47s wouldn't fit in the wings (J34s are anemic) but one should fit in the fuselage. Best of all, the wing-root shenanigans would be hidden by the pod! Just add a jetpipe in the tail and voila! I've got some time in 2 weeks so I'll have a go then.

Quote
Brings back one and only time I saw Banshees flying.


Very, very green right now!  :)

The last profile for a lil while. I've experimented a bit with this one and am curious to know what people think?

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8100/8482390542_0d6fae2ba3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8482390542/)
Goodyear P-72A USAAF 388th FS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8482390542/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 17, 2013, 10:54:34 PM
Oh yeah!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 18, 2013, 01:19:21 AM
Thanks Greg!

Quote
The last profile for a lil while.


I lied.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8483124895_41dc54b3f9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8483124895/)
McDonnell F-78E Phantom (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8483124895/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Cliffy B on February 18, 2013, 01:43:21 AM
That USAAF Corsair is NICE!!!!!!!!!!  Please do some more  8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on February 18, 2013, 05:05:03 AM
Love the beautiful corsair!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on February 18, 2013, 06:50:13 AM
Nice Corsair....... great minds think alike. That's what I was working on too. Some more Corsairs.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 18, 2013, 12:24:13 PM
Thanks guys! More Corsairs are definitely on the to do list.

Meanwhile.....

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8484859796_cace7e32cb_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8484859796/)
McDonnell F-78E Phantom USAF ADC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8484859796/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 18, 2013, 10:42:02 PM
Mmmmm.....
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on February 18, 2013, 11:20:00 PM
Very nice....
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on February 19, 2013, 07:36:13 AM
Cool! What type of engine powers the F-78E?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 19, 2013, 08:58:39 AM
Thanks!

Quote
Cool! What type of engine powers the F-78E?

Good question. I was going to go with finsrin's suggestion and go with a J47 but that doesn't really have enough thrust until the -25 and that's for the B-47E so I can see SAC saying "mine, all mine!". Since we're revising the fuselage anyway, I'd say squeeze a J48 in. With water-injection, it's good for 8000lb thrust, so that, in combination with the cleaned up wing may get those pods moving forwards!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on February 19, 2013, 10:52:40 AM
One J48 with a bifurcated nozzle as used on the Sea Hawk?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on February 19, 2013, 11:00:27 AM
^ The F-78E has a conventional jetpipe (exiting beneath the horizontal tail). The aft fuselage is extensively beefed up from that of a F2H.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 08, 2013, 02:59:44 AM
Keeping my oar in as it were.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8246/8536572221_da8025d3cf_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8536572221/)
Goodyear P-72B USAAF Night Escort (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8536572221/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Cliffy B on March 08, 2013, 03:01:34 AM
MUST BE BUILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on March 08, 2013, 04:46:56 AM
Very very cool.......
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: The Big Gimper on March 08, 2013, 06:33:04 AM
I was going to build my 1/72 SH F2G into an Marines AU-2 but this may win me over.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on March 08, 2013, 06:49:13 AM
Big Gimper - understand zactly where you are coming from.
It is sweet  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 08, 2013, 09:02:54 AM
Thanks guys!

The Kartveli Ka-7SM-10 'Fumble-E' was a significant departure from it's forebears and very much a transitional step toward the Ka-11 'Fuddle'.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8093/8537359211_55d5f4f8d7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8537359211/)
Kartveli Ka-7SM 'Fumble E' VVS Blue 19 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8537359211/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on March 08, 2013, 02:52:02 PM
I'd say Russians liked the F-84 so much they built their own variant  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 08, 2013, 03:38:43 PM
Love them both.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on March 08, 2013, 09:20:29 PM
Looks great......
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on March 11, 2013, 10:40:10 AM
Love the Fumble-E! So Alexander Kartvelishvili never left for France, eh? Was Mikhail Leontyevich Grigorashvili part of his Design Bureau by chance?  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 11, 2013, 07:21:18 PM
State Security will neither confirm or deny the members of the glorious Kartveli OKB!  ;)

Thanks for the kind words guys. The Fumble-E was inspired by the MiG-19SM-12. I plan to do a more conventional Fumble-B/C at some point. As for the Fuddle, well if you cut the cockpit section off of a 1/72 Monogram Thud for some reason and have a spare Lightning cockpit section, turns out they are not a terrible fit.....
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on March 12, 2013, 12:14:01 AM
Nice Fumble design, despite its code... (has the OKB fumbled to produce it?)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 18, 2013, 07:14:37 AM
Thanks Tophe. Don't know about the OKB but I definitely fumbled this one!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8526/8565994853_49c47b78ed_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8565994853/)
Kartveli Ka-7P 'Fumble C' VVS Yellow 23 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8565994853/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: ChernayaAkula on March 18, 2013, 07:22:51 AM
^ Wow!  :icon_surprised: Just needs some AA-1 Alkalis.  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on March 18, 2013, 07:25:35 AM
The radar nose from the XF-91 would definitely look good here.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 18, 2013, 07:32:06 AM
Quote
The radar nose from the XF-91 would definitely look good here.

Very true but that would seriously honk off the design team working on the Ka-9 'Fondle'.  ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on March 19, 2013, 07:00:01 AM
Last Kartveli for a while. The Soviets didn't use enough orange I feel......

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8505/8569362871_ab8253d617_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8569362871/)
Kartveli Ka-7PU 'Mumble-A' VVS Black T09 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8569362871/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on March 19, 2013, 10:51:56 AM
Pleasant!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on March 19, 2013, 04:44:24 PM
Kartveli is top!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: jorel62 on March 19, 2013, 11:54:24 PM
I like it.....
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 16, 2013, 05:51:01 AM
My 2 '46 entries:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8732687766_5851f43be5_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8732687766/)
Grumman P-65F (BTO) Tigercat FSAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8732687766/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/8736083073_c4378278d8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8736083073/)
Vickers Windsor B.II RAF Tiger Force 635 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8736083073/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

.... and I've decided to re-do some of my old Curtiss concepts, starting with the F16C-1......

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/8741635623_7759d1ba8f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8741635623/)
Curtiss F16C-1 USN VF-5A (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8741635623/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on May 16, 2013, 08:38:08 AM
I love your F16C-1. :-* Would a twin-boom derivative be possible?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on May 16, 2013, 02:15:14 PM
Me too!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on May 16, 2013, 03:12:41 PM
Each of this trio has "it" for me.  :-*
Splendid fine job  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 16, 2013, 08:53:39 PM
Thanks guys!

Here is the XF17C-1. I first doodled this two years ago while watching Sunshine on the TV (I had quickly lost interest). Definitely had the Victor and Sea Vixen in mind but I also wanted to replicate the 'engines forward' design philosophy of the Curtiss XA-46 Phantom in a fighter. Most probably impractical but that's the beauty of 50's prototypes. They don't have to be successful!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7294/8744454430_b3317c14f5_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744454430/)
Curtiss XF17C-1 USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744454430/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

The old XA-46 profile for reference. I won't be re-doing this but a Vietnam-era upgrade may be on the cards:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/8744477214_837eacc26f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744477214/)
Curtiss XA-46 Phantom Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744477214/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Tophe, I'll see what I can rustle up from the Curtiss files.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on May 16, 2013, 09:24:48 PM
Great! :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 16, 2013, 11:55:19 PM
A sketch of the twin-boom configuration proposed for the F16C .........

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/8744866662_518c6483e9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744866662/)
Curtiss XF16C-1 Twin Boom (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744866662/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on May 17, 2013, 01:08:13 AM
Difficult to see with so light colouring...
Darker, I love it!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/8744866662_B_zps6c049d87.jpg)

As the XF15C was ordered in 1944, was the XF16C designed in 1945?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: raafif on May 17, 2013, 08:05:31 AM
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/8744477214_837eacc26f_b.jpg[/url])


that V-tail looks very similar to the Republic NP-50 ;)  I can see a jet exhaust nozzle there but where's the intake on this bird ?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 17, 2013, 10:56:16 PM
Quote
As the XF15C was ordered in 1944, was the XF16C designed in 1945?

Yes and in service say c1946.

Quote
I can see a jet exhaust nozzle there but where's the intake on this bird ?

The XA-46 was inspired by the Curtiss P-517. The intakes are where the radome terminates. 4 J35s.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 19, 2013, 09:24:28 AM
From the first Curtiss Phantom to the last.....

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8271/8752398198_1da8f94d19_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8752398198/)
QA-46G Phantom &amp; GRF-3D Voodoo 'Have Cake' USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8752398198/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 19, 2013, 12:26:48 PM
 :o :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on May 19, 2013, 01:15:52 PM
Love it! Now, ... no daydreaming on separation  ;D
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 20, 2013, 06:20:07 AM
Thanks! Here's another Curtiss redux, the F-87E Blackhawk......

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7456/8754570627_f7ce70e568_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8754570627/)
Curtiss F-87E Blackhawk USAF 332nd FIS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8754570627/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 21, 2013, 12:53:09 AM
......... a Curtiss TC-46J bombardier/navigator trainer of the JMSDF.......

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3832/8757565791_0ece245edd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8757565791/)
Curtiss TC-46J JMSDF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8757565791/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Talos on May 21, 2013, 02:18:49 AM
......... a Curtiss TC-46J bombardier/navigator trainer of the JMSDF.......

([url]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3832/8757565791_0ece245edd_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8757565791/[/url])
Curtiss TC-46J JMSDF ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8757565791/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr


I like that trainer. Excellent work! Great addition of that radome to it.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 21, 2013, 02:50:16 AM
That is sweet! :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: cptmike2012 on May 21, 2013, 03:36:46 AM
My 2 '46 entries:

([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8732687766_5851f43be5_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8732687766/[/url])
Grumman P-65F (BTO) Tigercat FSAAF ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8732687766/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr

([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/8736083073_c4378278d8_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8736083073/[/url])
Vickers Windsor B.II RAF Tiger Force 635 Sqn ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8736083073/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr

.... and I've decided to re-do some of my old Curtiss concepts, starting with the F16C-1......

([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/8741635623_7759d1ba8f_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8741635623/[/url])
Curtiss F16C-1 USN VF-5A ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8741635623/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr


Hi Empty,

Really liked your Windsor design, could you please do one as a Costal Command bomber?

Thanks and regards,

CPT Mike
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: raafif on May 21, 2013, 05:04:16 AM
that  JMSDF Curtiss TC-46J is just so neat !  Always loved the Commando for some strange reason -- going to do other vesions ??
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 21, 2013, 06:25:33 AM
Thanks guys!

Quote
going to do other vesions ??


Well no I wasn't but as soon as I read what you said at least 2 ideas popped into my head so ...... yes, yes I am.  ;) Although they'll be next week at this rate so please stay tuned.

Quote
could you please do one as a Costal Command bomber?


It is possible. Is that the WWII grey over white or the post-war white over grey? Or dark blue like the MDAP Neptunes?

This isn't a redux but it is a Curtiss I have wanted to do for a while......

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8540/8777598018_8c4dc1f59f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8777598018/)
Curtiss P-60E USAAF 529th FS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8777598018/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Another P-60 variant and a pre-war aircraft to come and then it'll be more C-46s/R5Cs (hint).

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on May 21, 2013, 04:17:56 PM
that  JMSDF Curtiss TC-46J is just so neat !  Always loved the Commando for some strange reason -- going to do other vesions ??

Yes - "for some strange reason".  :)   Gives me vision of building AWACS version.  E2C dome or domes off Revell EC-121.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: cptmike2012 on May 22, 2013, 03:21:23 AM
Thanks guys!

Quote
going to do other vesions ??


Well no I wasn't but as soon as I read what you said at least 2 ideas popped into my head so ...... yes, yes I am.  ;) Although they'll be next week at this rate so please stay tuned.

Quote
could you please do one as a Costal Command bomber?


It is possible. Is that the WWII grey over white or the post-war white over grey? Or dark blue like the MDAP Neptunes?

This isn't a redux but it is a Curtiss I have wanted to do for a while......

([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7295/8758704961_a779b0b415_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8758704961/[/url])
Curtiss P-60E USAAF 529th FS ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8758704961/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr

Another P-60 variant and a pre-war aircraft to come and then it'll be more C-46s/R5Cs (hint).


The WW2 scheme would look very good on the Windsor...
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on May 22, 2013, 06:43:16 AM
I always liked the look of the P-60 series -- especially the 'E, which looks great in your operational scheme. But how did I miss that Curtiss TC-46J trainer!!  :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 22, 2013, 08:14:51 AM
Thanks! Here's another P-60.....

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7457/8777717922_cb8414774d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8777717922/)
Curtiss P-60A USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8777717922/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: add2mix on May 22, 2013, 08:28:56 AM
Hello,
Is it possible to upload your profiles somewhere else then Flickr? All your previous posts are gone...
Many thanks
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 22, 2013, 08:41:18 AM
My profiles can be found at:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/)

Please tell me what you think!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on May 22, 2013, 10:16:15 AM
P-60   sweet   :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 24, 2013, 01:38:37 AM
Thanks finsrin!

Really hope nobody saw these two particular C-46s coming!

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5455/8804647448_f80782d775_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8804647448/)
Curtiss C-46A Alitalia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8804647448/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2886/8804646868_f82a4dc7a7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8804646868/)
Curtiss R5C-2L USN VX-6 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8804646868/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on May 24, 2013, 01:59:55 AM
Love the R5C!! :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on May 24, 2013, 02:35:33 AM
Me too but the Alitalia C-46 is pretty sharp too!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Cliffy B on May 24, 2013, 07:55:02 AM
That R5C just plain LOOKS right!!  Great job man  8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 25, 2013, 01:52:57 AM
Thanks! Last Curtiss redux I promise (mwuhahahahaha!!!!!!). The Curtiss F12C-2 Harrier (essentially a single-seat XF12C-1).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8400/8805400217_8f0ec5cdd8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8805400217/)
Curtiss F12C-2 Harrier USN VF-2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8805400217/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on May 25, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
Nice! :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on May 26, 2013, 01:55:48 AM
That's a very nice one! Top! 8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 27, 2013, 07:35:01 AM
Thanks guys!

A quickie.....

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5453/8847766172_dd261aa058_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8847766172/)
Fisher P-75C Eagle USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8847766172/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on May 27, 2013, 08:37:24 AM
Like the P-75C! Is this still Allison V-3420-powered?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Logan Hartke on May 27, 2013, 11:15:12 AM
I like it!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/loganov/My%20Pictures/Doolittle%20Raiders%20Reunion%20-%20Wallpapers/Preview/DSC_0381.jpg) (http://comradeloganov.deviantart.com/art/Fisher-P-75-Eagle-USAF-Museum-297938012?q=gallery%3Acomradeloganov%2F36785692&qo=8)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 27, 2013, 03:21:28 PM
Oh yeah!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on May 27, 2013, 04:26:15 PM
Oh yeah!

and as it should be....
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on May 29, 2013, 09:45:47 PM
Thanks guys!

Quote
Is this still Allison V-3420-powered?

I would imagine so.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on June 15, 2013, 06:30:22 AM
I just saw nighthunter's Boeing B-16 over on Shipbucket and just had to have a go at one myself!

http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4093&start=70 (http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4093&start=70)         (scroll down a bit)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2817/9053851966_fb4e9d6521_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9053851966/)
Boeing B-16D USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9053851966/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Although based on the Boeing 247, it really evokes an American Blenheim, doesn't it??
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on June 15, 2013, 12:35:09 PM
Yes, and like a little B-17, funny...
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on June 15, 2013, 12:48:48 PM
Geese,,, where is that 247 kit ?
Time to look it over in detail....

Is a great profile.  B-16 --- like that designation  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on June 16, 2013, 06:07:40 AM
Bit of a rough and ready repaint.....

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3750/9051625481_429228db34_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9051625481/)
Boeing B-16D Chinese Nationalist (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9051625481/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on June 16, 2013, 10:07:01 AM
That is excellent! There's a hint of B-17 there but it takes nothing away from the B247. Very nice  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on July 10, 2013, 04:42:36 AM
Thanks!

Gloster's N.21/45 submission became the Grampus NF.1 in Royal Navy service. Powered by twin Rolls-Royce Crecys, it proved to be a valuable asset in the Soviet War.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3757/9251463112_04a6a89f93_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9251463112/)
Gloster Grampus NF.1A RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9251463112/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on July 11, 2013, 02:58:55 AM
Love the Grampus! Meteor meets Hornet  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: RP1 on July 11, 2013, 05:42:54 AM
Now that is gorgeous!  :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 09, 2013, 12:02:08 AM
Thanks guys!

Sturmvogel over on whatifmodelers has generously allowed me to play with his baby, the P-47Q Thunderbolt, so here it is:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7402/9464203263_cc86d59c58_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9464203263/)
Republic P-47Q Thunderbolt USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9464203263/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 09, 2013, 02:24:21 AM
So what exactly are we looking at here?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on August 09, 2013, 02:56:15 AM
Love your Gloster by the way!! 8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 09, 2013, 04:31:10 AM
So what exactly are we looking at here?

A razorback Jug with minimum modifications to take a R-4360 and associated turbo-supercharging. A prelude to the XP-72. Unless it was a trick question.  ;)


Quote
Love your Gloster by the way!!

Thank you kindly.

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 09, 2013, 05:14:57 AM
Thanks..and no, it wasn't a trick question. ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 10, 2013, 02:11:26 AM
Next up is what would have been my entry into the Floaty GB had I gotten round to it......

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/9474648234_07cd5fabd4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9474648234/)
Beriev Be-10N Mallow AVMF Yellow 19 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9474648234/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

To have a closer view of the Beriev, click on the pic above to go to Flickr, then right click to choose a size. I recommend one of the larger ones!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 10, 2013, 03:12:18 AM
Nice.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 10, 2013, 05:47:36 AM
Thanks!

Here's a quick P-47Q repaint:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7378/9472982007_b30c7df14b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9472982007/)
Republic P-47Q Thunderbolt USAAF 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9472982007/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 15, 2013, 07:57:03 AM
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5501/9513719868_3cd521959b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9513719868/)
Avro Canada C-101 North Star RCAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9513719868/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/9513880644_32ae7655dd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9513880644/)
Avro Tudor C.4A RNZAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9513880644/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 15, 2013, 04:02:04 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: cptmike2012 on August 16, 2013, 03:40:40 AM
Next up is what would have been my entry into the Floaty GB had I gotten round to it......

([url]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/9474648234_07cd5fabd4_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9474648234/[/url])
Beriev Be-10N Mallow AVMF Yellow 19 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9474648234/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr

To have a closer view of the Beriev, click on the pic above to go to Flickr, then right click to choose a size. I recommend one of the larger ones!


Nice Beriev!  Is there some P5M Marlin in there somewhere?  ???  Also, is the tail gun position looks it might have some Tupolev "Bear heritage.  If these are in there, you did an outstanding job at blending them together with the "Mallow" air frame  :D

Regards,

CPT Mike
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 16, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
Thanks!

As far as I know, the tail gun is standard on the Be-10. The nose is that of the real Be-10N missile carrier proposal, of which I had a partial profile. I tried to integrate it into the Be-10 line art I had as best I could (I think the nose comes out a lil short but hey). A couple of artistic impressions of the Be-10N can be seen below:

http://sergib.agava.ru/russia/beriev/be/10/n/img/be10n_1.jpg (http://sergib.agava.ru/russia/beriev/be/10/n/img/be10n_1.jpg)
http://sergib.agava.ru/russia/beriev/be/10/n/img/be10n_2.jpg (http://sergib.agava.ru/russia/beriev/be/10/n/img/be10n_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: ChernayaAkula on August 16, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
What a cool beast!  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on August 20, 2013, 06:47:33 PM
Thanks!

Here's a concept I've been playing with for a JT4D-3 engined F-105:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7420/9554852202_2c0186d4f7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9554852202/)
Republic F-105 P&amp;W JT4D Dual-Flow Turbojet (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9554852202/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Info on the JT4D here:

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959%20-%202803.html?search=jt4d (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959%20-%202803.html?search=jt4d)
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959%20-%202806.html?search=jt4d (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959%20-%202806.html?search=jt4d)

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on August 20, 2013, 10:56:31 PM
Looking good! :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 21, 2013, 02:12:50 AM
Wow!!!  Love it!!!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on August 21, 2013, 12:13:33 PM
Now that's a different way of fitting the fanned version of the J75.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on September 18, 2013, 08:25:44 PM
Thanks guys!

A quick one:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/9799755423_07b69c0360_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9799755423/)
General Motors F2M-2 Wildcat USN Atlantic (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9799755423/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 18, 2013, 08:41:09 PM
Different...I like! :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Cliffy B on September 18, 2013, 11:03:28 PM
That's definitely a "should have" been!!!  Nice job man  8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on September 19, 2013, 02:53:29 AM
That's definitely a "should have" been!!!  Nice job man  8)

I concur with what Mike posted.  Could not have said it any better in my own words so quotes it is :)

Definitely something that should have been done for the Wildcat and the Hellcat too. 
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on September 20, 2013, 11:32:12 PM
Nice profile, thanks! :-*
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Volkodav on September 20, 2013, 11:34:55 PM
Sweet profile, I just cant help but imagine those nice clean lines being dragged through the sky by a RR Merlin
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on September 21, 2013, 06:58:44 AM
Very nice! A naval fighter for those 'pocket carriers' that Bearcats can't fly off of  :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on September 21, 2013, 06:15:42 PM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on October 19, 2013, 02:37:41 AM
During the 1950s, US paranoia regarding the perceived Soviet threat reached fever pitch. To combat the Soviet Union's overwhelming numerical superiority, the US military elected to utilise not only it's own considerable production capacity to the fullest but also that of it's allies. One of the initiatives that stemmed from this was the 'Double Century' series of tactical fighters which used the '200' designator series to free the 100s for indigenous designs.

The Supermarine Swift FR.5 had impressed many during various NATO photo-recce exercises. This interest was heightened further when Supermarine announced the FR.9 variant. It's slim-line, area-ruled fuselage and uprated Rolls-Royce Avon promised supersonic performance at low level. The US made an initial order for 205 as the Supermarine RF-201A Swift. Since the RAF was far more enamoured with the P.1083 Hunter, this offered no problems in Supermarine's production scheduling.

It was planned that the RF-201s would supplement and eventually replace the RF-84F Thunderflash in both US and NATO service, in turn freeing up more expensive F-101 Voodoo airframes for the important tactical bomber role. Used by several NATO air arms as well as the USAFE and ANG, with production eventually totalling 335 aircraft, the Swift gave sterling service for many years.

While nominally obsolete by retirement from US service in 1969, the Swifts had been retained to provide a most useful recce capability in the European Theatre as the Vietnam War drew in ever larger numbers of reconnaissance assets.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2876/10349421106_220dbf9f45_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10349421106/)
Supermarine RF-201A Swift 184th TRS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10349421106/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 19, 2013, 03:42:41 AM
Oh yeah!!!

Can't wait to see one in SEA Scheme for Vietnam...hint, hint! ;)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on October 19, 2013, 05:35:49 AM
Incredibly fast and dirty (plane and profile)!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7406/10351815305_39782985bc_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10351815305/)
Supermarine RF-201B Swift SEAC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10351815305/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 19, 2013, 05:37:43 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 08, 2013, 07:32:56 AM
Ta!

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5516/10733495203_f4ff1213d6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10733495203/)
CAC CA-10 Murungal RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10733495203/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Logan Hartke on November 08, 2013, 07:38:55 AM
That looks nice in that scheme.  A P-43 Lancer probably would, too.  I know they used a couple of them in a different scheme.

(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/778/pics/81_1.jpg)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on November 08, 2013, 08:40:05 AM
Nice CA-10!
To know what was the 'Real' CA-10, I checked with Google and found only Wirraways... (http://www.picsearch.com/CAC-CA-10-Wirraway-pictures.html (http://www.picsearch.com/CAC-CA-10-Wirraway-pictures.html))
but with a nice unknown single-seat derivative: the CA-28 Ceres (http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austcl/VH-CEB.html (http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austcl/VH-CEB.html)), thanks for having made me search!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on November 08, 2013, 03:36:05 PM
Very nice indeed! :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 08, 2013, 07:43:19 PM
Thank you kindly.

Logan, I have a real soft spot for the Lancer. I did a couple 2 years ago, I may have to revisit it sometime. The recce variant you have there is making me think of a PR Blue one. A service ceiling of nearly 36000ft isn't bad all things considered.

Tophe, sorry I should have pointed out that the profile stemmed from an interesting discussion about CAC license building something other than the North American NA-16. Both elmayerle and Logan suggested the Seversky P-35 and I couldn't resist. The discussion can be found here:

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=3721.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=3721.0)

So my CAC-10 'Murungal' (the aboriginal word for Thunder I hope) is a license built P-35/AT-12 hybrid with a few tweaks such as larger wheels for improved rough field performance.

The CAC-10 Wirraway was apparently a dive-bombing variant, so maybe the Murungal could use it's bulky landing gear as a form of airbrake?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: finsrin on November 08, 2013, 08:06:13 PM
CA-10 is a class act in that scheme  :)
Looks like it should be in a movie  8)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on November 09, 2013, 02:39:52 AM
The CAC-10 Wirraway was apparently a dive-bombing variant, so maybe the Murungal could use it's bulky landing gear as a form of airbrake?
Those big front doors on the main landing gear would likely do well as air brakes.  I could see a variant based on the float-equipped Seversky's as a scout aircraft for the RAN, too.  Beautiful job and I can't wait to see how this design evolves in Asutralia; whether it stays a comparatively small fighter like the P-35/XP-41/P-43 series (or the seimilar series that starts with the Re.2000 in Italy) or grows like the P-47 and its developments
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on November 09, 2013, 05:56:56 AM
I love the Seversky line and your CA-10 Murungal is fabulous!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 10, 2013, 05:02:07 AM
Thanks all!

OK, couldn't resist a continuation of the CAC/Seversky concept.

If we assume that CAC continue to develop their aircraft roughly as historical but with the P-35 starting point rather than the NA-16 and that after initial set-up they receive no further support from Seversky/Republic (say they are much too busy getting the P-47 out the door), then the ultimate Australian interpretation of the Seversky concept would surely be.......

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7360/10765111784_ffcf867a85_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10765111784/)
CAC CA-15 Kangaroo RAAF 76 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10765111784/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(Reggiane Re.2003 meets the initial (R-2800) CA-15.....)

Any good?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 10, 2013, 08:52:06 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on November 10, 2013, 11:08:30 AM
Now, THAT is most gorgeous.  Would they also look, later, at a Centaurus-powered version with a five-bladed prop?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 10, 2013, 06:55:14 PM
Thanks guys!

Quote
a Centaurus-powered version with a five-bladed prop


Interesting! I can certainly look into that!

A brief diversion into P-43 Lancers if I may......

In 1942, Paraguay, owing to it's significant German community, elected to join the Axis. In response, a number of South American countries joined the Allies, including Bolivia, thus plunging the continent into war.

The FAB received mostly second-line equipment from the US but used it to good effect. In particular, the Republic P-43A Lancer would prove a very useful combatant. More than a match for Paraguay's outdated Arados and Heinkels, the "Lanzar" could even take on a Bf-109 in the right hands.


(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5513/10775198943_3caef55c7b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10775198943/)
Republic P-43A Lancer FAB (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10775198943/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on November 10, 2013, 07:10:36 PM
The P-43 is top!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 11, 2013, 12:13:46 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7427/10780057496_8dce99c6a4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10780057496/)
CAC CA-15 Kangaroo Centaurus Testbed RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10780057496/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: elmayerle on November 11, 2013, 03:06:08 AM
Beautiful malcolm-hooded Lancer and I loved the Centaurus test-bed; I could se the latter leading to a production version.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 13, 2013, 07:00:29 AM
Thanks!

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7297/10827291894_2ceef956fd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10827291894/)
Republic P-43A Lancer RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10827291894/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/10827550406_72b427519d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10827550406/)
Republic P-43A Lancer VVS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10827550406/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 13, 2013, 10:09:04 AM
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3767/10829902214_48b2ef59e4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10829902214/)
Republic P-43A Lancer IDF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10829902214/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

Inspired by: http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3961 (http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3961)

Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: lauhof52 on November 13, 2013, 06:14:20 PM
The kangaroo is excellent!
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on November 14, 2013, 05:20:03 AM
Yes, the Kangaroo Centaurus test-bed is gorgeous! Maybe later in the programme CAC stretched the rear fuselage?
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Tophe on November 14, 2013, 10:42:11 AM
Belated congratulations for the bubble-top CA-15! :)
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 15, 2013, 12:40:54 AM
Thanks!

apophenia, I mocked up an aft fuselage stretch and didn't care for it. The stretch may make them better proportioned but they lose that Seversky touch I strived for. Sorry.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: apophenia on November 15, 2013, 02:22:28 AM
Too true EH. I found the same effect playing with the P-35. The balance is there but, as you say, it loses some of that Seversky feel.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Empty Handed on November 15, 2013, 08:29:11 PM
Here's a quick mini profile. I saw over on Shipbucket (lots of gems over there) a submersible aircraft carrier with an "October class dive bomber" that instantly put in mind a slimline P-47. So......

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5482/10868972583_51c3d973b6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10868972583/)
Republic XP-49 Gale USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10868972583/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr

I envision it as a low-cost lightweight-ish fighter in the vein of a XP-48/57/64/66 but utilising as many P-47 components (wings and empennage) as possible. Either a high-end R-1820 like the Curtiss SC-1 or a R-2000 (both similar outputs). Went with the name Gale as the end result is not hugely unlike a Ki-84 Hayate.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: The Big Gimper on November 15, 2013, 09:48:34 PM
Here's a quick mini profile. I saw over on Shipbucket (lots of gems over there) a submersible aircraft carrier with an "October class dive bomber" that instantly put in mind a slimline P-47. So......

([url]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5482/10868972583_51c3d973b6_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10868972583/[/url])
Republic XP-49 Gale USAAF ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10868972583/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr

I envision it as a low-cost lightweight-ish fighter in the vein of a XP-48/57/64/66 but utilising as many P-47 components (wings and empennage) as possible. Either a high-end R-1820 like the Curtiss SC-1 or a R-2000 (both similar outputs). Went with the name Gale as the end result is not hugely unlike a Ki-84 Hayate.


Mike:

Thanks for visualizing what a P-47would look like without the super changer intakes.

I hope to translate this into plastic one day.
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: Logan Hartke on December 05, 2013, 02:34:11 PM
A quick one:

([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/9799755423_07b69c0360_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9799755423/[/url])
General Motors F2M-2 Wildcat USN Atlantic ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9799755423/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr


I think I must've been elbow deep in V-507 layers when you posted this, because I don't remember it at all and I think this is absolutely lovely.  Fantastic profile!  I love the scheme and I love the Wildcat, so I think this is great.

I was fortunate enough to see Kermit Weeks' lovely FM-2 in this scheme last week.  It's a beautiful plane in fantastic condition.  If I recall, this is basically what the Wildcats that participated in the capture of the famous U-505 looked like.

Grumman FM-2 Demonstration Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTdbGRJ6URU#ws)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Empty Handed's Profiles
Post by: JP Vieira on December 07, 2013, 09:10:26 PM
Love the slimline P-47