Beyond The Sprues
Current and Finished Projects => Profiles and Pixels => Topic started by: Empty Handed on December 11, 2011, 07:17:26 PM
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Hello all! I'm the artist formerly known as sideshowbob9.
First off, I'd like to thank GTX for making us a new home here!
The first few posts will be the best of my previous profiles and I hope to begin posting new profiles later in the week. For reference, these works are my own from the line drawing up with the exception of the roundels, which are freely available from wikipedia, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_aircraft_insignia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_aircraft_insignia)
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8318/7922834994_20ca9cf222.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922834994/)
Curtiss Hawk V FAB (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922834994/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7922841162_5724390cf6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922841162/)
Curtiss XP-60H USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922841162/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Grumman P-50:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8174/7922903824_ed79548e55.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922903824/)
Grumman P-50A Skyrocket USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922903824/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
IMAM Ro.51:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8311/7922885370_2a763e3610.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922885370/)
IMAM Ro.51 Slovak AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922885370/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8170/7922885066_18ea46db66.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922885066/)
IMAM Ro.51 Spanish Nationalist (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922885066/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7922884760_9c841a3ddb.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922884760/)
IMAM Ro.51 Uruguayan AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922884760/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/7922893492_77ef6ff90b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893492/)
Parnall Paladin I RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893492/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/7922893232_0eb0e2ce87.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893232/)
Parnall Paladin I USN Evaluation (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893232/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8462/7922892988_e3f5291a3e.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922892988/)
Parnall Paladin II RN Bismark Chase (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922892988/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8448/7922893762_461685f6b9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893762/)
Fleetwings (Hall) TBH-2 Paladin USN VT-8 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922893762/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7922896660_d459f1fb18.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922896660/)
Parnall Pugilist Prototype 1st Flight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922896660/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8302/7922897460_e63920aa76.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897460/)
Parnall Pugilist I RAF Nivo Green (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897460/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8436/7922897244_6973b421ea.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897244/)
Parnall Pugilist I USAAF Evaluation (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897244/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/7922897016_05f75d5d01.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897016/)
Parnall Pugilist III RAF North Africa (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922897016/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/7922876116_5cd5b6c197.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922876116/)
Reggiane Re.2005 AM-42 VVS Red 92 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922876116/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8307/7922875784_29ce9dde59.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875784/)
Reggiane Re.2005 Croatian AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875784/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/7922875468_9cba9ebaef.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875468/)
Reggiane Re.2005 Ilmavoimat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875468/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/7922875036_3d3a86f688.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875036/)
Reggiane Re.2005E Isotta-Fraschini Epsilon USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922875036/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/7922993744_e4e9d96fe8.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922993744/)
Republic XFN-4 Waterspout USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922993744/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7922994074_f65b15e655.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922994074/)
Republic FN-4 Waterspout USN Atlantic (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922994074/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7922994316_c8f16310e4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922994316/)
Republic FN-4 Waterspout Brazilian Navy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922994316/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8319/7923006890_e44a9db371.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923006890/)
Republic SBN-1 USMC Operation Torch (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923006890/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7922988606_9c674acee3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922988606/)
Republic F2N-2 Torrent USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922988606/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8030/7922988060_31f6f8634a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922988060/)
Republic F2N-2 Torrent USN In Action (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922988060/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8296/7922987232_19330ec51f.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922987232/)
Republic F2N-3 Torrent USNR (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922987232/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7922986382_b771a3ee14.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922986382/)
Republic F2N-3K Torrent USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922986382/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/7922985910_c9d58d47bf.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922985910/)
Republic F2N-5 Torrent USN VF-17 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922985910/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7922985368_626fbf67bf.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922985368/)
Republic F2N-5 Torrent USN VF-84 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922985368/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8302/7923009246_28f5ac9a04.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923009246/)
Republic SB2N-1 USN 1st Production Aircraft (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923009246/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8454/7922996942_a332e20eae.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922996942/)
Republic XP-43B Lancer (R-2060) USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922996942/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8303/7922997242_524304840a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922997242/)
Republic P-43A Lancer FAB (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7922997242/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7923002146_9bfe9a69b3.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923002146/)
Republic QP-47D Thunderbolt USAAF Operation Aphrodite (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923002146/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7923077012_68f5da7cc7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923077012/)
Saab SK29 Tunnan Ejército del Aire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923077012/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8440/7923079408_5b58e2f782.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079408/)
Saab J32I Lanciere AMI 4 Stormo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079408/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8445/7923079724_1ffe0c0997.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079724/)
Saab J32ECR Lanciere AMI (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079724/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/7923079094_56ca6a1a92.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079094/)
Saab J32S Lancero Ejército del Aire (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923079094/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8453/7923132716_b41244f4c7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923132716/)
Westland Warden I RN 820NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923132716/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8320/7923139434_a072fb2667.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923139434/)
Westland Wrath I RAF 151 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923139434/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8445/7923137574_2bf6f7e119.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923137574/)
Westland Wildfire RAF 19 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923137574/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/7923135580_e2bfd42df7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923135580/)
Westland Whimbrel Prototype RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923135580/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7923135852_74bceaaf17.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923135852/)
Westland Whimbrel AS.1 RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923135852/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/7923163166_4127d6c9c4.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923163166/)
Short Sturgeon FB.1 RN Palestine Emergency (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923163166/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7923163632_be59c42e3c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923163632/)
Short Sturgeon FB.1 Indian Navy Goa Conflict (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923163632/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8038/7923168926_46948a3187.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923168926/)
Convair AY-4N USN VA-216 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923168926/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8442/7923166506_371df57e94.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923166506/)
Naval Aircraft Factory SBN-1 USMC Retro (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923166506/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Great to see your work; keep them coming
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That's some great stuff! I especially like the CW-40 airliner. Wouldn't mind seeing that baby in a bunch of differet liveries!
Brian da Basher
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Fantastic work loving the 1950's stuff, top class work :) :) :)
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I echo Brian's sentiment - I adore the airliner!
Might I request versions in period-correct Pacific Western and Canadian Pacific liveries?
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Most excellent stuff EH. Great to see you here.
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Thanks!
Litvyak, for the Pacific Western livery did you mean this one?
If not, I will probably also do the 70s blue/white Pacific Western scheme as well as they are both pretty attractive. CP Air and Avianca are both also coming up.
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Oh wow, that looks great!!
Though that's not the one I was thinking of (I'd actually forgotten about that particular scheme - not even sure if I've seen it on anything besides DC-3?); I was thinking of this one:
http://www.spacemodel.com/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/B707-pwa.jpg (http://www.spacemodel.com/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/B707-pwa.jpg)
as that's my favourite of all PWAL schemes (got the decals for it for a B707, one day I'll build it...)
The other option is the overall white - http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5191696927_78a8d85b88.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5191696927_78a8d85b88.jpg) though I think that one's a little boring.
Thanks again, that looks brilliant!
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Liking your stuff, some really good and inspirational ideas there.
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Your single-engined Whirlwind is my favourite... it would be so nice with a Spitfire, adding originality to beauty in a "Battle of Britain" film poster or something.
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Wow that looks killer in Pac. West. livery!
Any chance to see one in Allegheny colors?
Brian da Basher
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Thanks guys!
Litvyak, I've seen that scheme on a DC-4 also. It appears to have fallen from use in the early/mid 60s, about the time I figured the Curtiss Thunderbird would enter service. Of course, in the 70s, they were seen in the more familiar colour scheme. ; )
Good call on Allegheny colours Brian! Consider it on the to-do list!
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:in-love: :in-love: :in-love:
Oh, Elements, is that ever GORGEOUS!! Thank you!
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Since you're doing airliners, how about QANTAS or Air NZ?
Regards,
John
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Like it? I LOVE it! Though that scheme looks great on everything...
One nitpick, if I may? The "CP Air" text should be slanted. The font looks good, so maybe just use italic variant should be enough?
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That CP Air CW 40 really showcases your talent for different liveries! Well done!
Brian da Basher
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May I ask for BOAC?? Love the dark blue and gold cheatline and writing.
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Thanks for the positive responses guys!
Since there are quite a few requests and this is one of my earliest line drawings that can only be overhauled so much, I've decided to re-draw it. Meet the Curtiss CW-40A Thunderbird:
Next up, Allegheny, Air NZ and BOAC.
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Your CW-40s keep getting more and more colorful!
I'm really enjoying these! Thank you!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks Brian! Hope this is the Allegheny scheme you were after.
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Loveloveloving the CW-40s!!!
Getting to the point where I don't care what livery, so long as there are more: I'm loving them all!
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If it could cook, I'd marry it! Absolutely stunning! Thank you!!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks!
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/CurtissCW-40AThunderbirdAirNewZealand.png)
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Nifty stuff. The early scheme is quite in keeping with the type.
Regards,
John
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Thanks!
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/CurtissCW-40AThunderbirdBOAC.png)
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Always liked the classic BOAC scheme.
Regards,
John
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Thanks!
Litvyak, for the Pacific Western livery did you mean this one?
([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/CurtissCW-40ThunderbirdPacificWestern.png[/url]).
If not, I will probably also do the 70s blue/white Pacific Western scheme as well as they are both pretty attractive. CP Air and Avianca are both also coming up.
I remember PWA airlines:
- Panic While Aloft
- Please Wait Awhile
- Piggley Wiggley Airlines
They used to provide 737 service between Vancouver (YVR) and CFB Comox (YQQ). We called it the Grapefruit route as it was so short (15 Min IIRC) that to serve the drinks, the flight attendant would load up the cart and during the climb out, let role down the cabin and you grab your drink. On the descent, let it role back to the front and put your empty on it.
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^ :D
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8039/7923204764_04734d7387_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923204764/)
Handley Page TH-1 USN VT-2B (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923204764/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The USN purchased 55 Handley Page HP.46s in 1933. Re-engined with Curtiss V-1570 Conquerors, they were designated the TH-1. They served in the torpedo-bomber role until the end of 1938.
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Thanks for the BOAC CW-40, very, very nice indeed.
Would Qantas be possible?? Not for me personally, but for our Australian members of course!!!
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Would Qantas be possible?? Not for me personally, but for our Australian members of course!!!
Not Qantas (that colour scheme does nothing for me) but I was able to finish an Ansett-ANA one in deference to our Australian friends!
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Nice stuff indeed. In QANTAS' defence, the 'Flying Kangaroo' went through quite a few iterations with some quite pleasing schemes later in life.
Regards,
John
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Thanks Mav. I truly don't know what it is that leaves me cold about the Qantas livery. Ah well, I'm not known for my taste!
I'm going to leave the CW-40 for the time being. There are a million other ideas I want to get out of my head! :D
If anyone wants the blank, just yell.
When doing the HP.46, I was struck by how modern the overall shape was (if that is not a contradiction in terms when discussing a biplane) and decided to try and make a late-war/'46 escort fighter out of it. This was the result:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8311/7923206474_458cc1f426_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923206474/)
Handley Page HP.49 Hyperion RAF SEAC 49 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923206474/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Handley Page HP.49 Hyperion I of 49 Squadron SEAC circa December 1945. The engine is a Fairey Monarch III.
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I see you have some lovely spats as well, Empty Handed!
That HP is very sleek in all the right places too!
Yumm!!!
Brian da Basher
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Curtiss:
([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/CurtissAC-46KUSAFArmed.png[/url])
Seeing your AC-46 Commando makes me wonder why no one has yet to do that as a model. The Williams Brothers C-46 kit is still available and a quick kit bash with one of the same scale AC-47 kits would make short work of the modifications needed for such a project.
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Yeah it looks natural doesn't it. The reason I haven't done one is I keep getting outbid on the bloomin' things!!! :kaboom:
Brian, there's a lot more spats to come as I am useless at biplanes in real life. This way, they are a lot easier!
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When doing the HP.46, I was struck by how modern the overall shape was (if that is not a contradiction in terms when discussing a biplane) and decided to try and make a late-war/'46 escort fighter out of it. This was the result:
([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/HandleyPageHP49HyperionRAFSEAC49Sqn.png[/url])
A Handley Page HP.49 Hyperion I of 49 Squadron SEAC circa December 1945. The engine is a Fairey Monarch III.
:in-love: :want: :in-love:
AWESOME!!!
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Brian, there's a lot more spats to come as I am useless at biplanes in real life. This way, they are a lot easier!
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I'm not very good at profiles.
[ hijack ]
Here's a preliminary design I did for our banner. Thankfully, a much better idea came along...
[ /hijack]
Brian da Basher
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I like that AC-46, too, though I've always been partial to the stepped-cockpit Commandos.
Cheers,
Logan
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Great collection, EH ! A wide variety of styles and ideas.
:)
Russ
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Thanks guys!
Just as a point of interest, my older profiles (i.e. the ones using line drawings other than my own) can be found here:
Since it looks increasingly unlikely that I'll get to re-draw them as I had hoped, I'll just post 'em as is. While they look a little scruffy, I can't bring myself to delete them. :'(
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Empty Handed, your profiling work is a real delight. I knew many of these already but it's a pleasure to have a second helping... Plus there is stuff in there that I had not seen before and it's real cool!
My favorites:
- Avro Aeolus (classy!)
- Bristol Brazen
- Curtiss Phantom
- Curtiss XF16C-1
- Curtiss XF17C-1 (oh how I'd love to see this in plastic!!)
- Handley-Page TH-1 (very neat... what is it based upon?)
- Handley-Page Hyperion (beauty!!!)
- Parnall Paladin
I especially love the way you use gray outlines on more recent profiles instead of black. It adds to the individual touch and original feel... But I really think you ought to sign your work in a way that can make it identified (some people save stuff and don't even remember where they got it from... with a signature, they've got no excuse!!).
Also, did you do the Curtiss Thunderbird series from scratch or did you use an existing transport design as a basis?
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Thanks Stargazer! The F17C-1 is one of my favourites so I will definitely be revisiting that one.
The TH-1 is based on the Handley Page H.P. 46: http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/handley_hp-46.php (http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/handley_hp-46.php)
For the Thunderbird, I merely hacked and stretched about the Curtiss C-133 (page 1, reply 2) until I got the right shape. The C-133 is itself very much derived from the C-46 so I can claim something of a design lineage from the Curtiss T-32 Condor series all the way through to the Thunderbird. :D
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Wonderful stuff! Love the variety
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Thanks guys!
Just as a point of interest, my older profiles (i.e. the ones using line drawings other than my own) can be found here:
[url]http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/Archive/?start=all[/url] ([url]http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/Archive/?start=all[/url])
Since it looks increasingly unlikely that I'll get to re-draw them as I had hoped, I'll just post 'em as is. While they look a little scruffy, I can't bring myself to delete them. :'(
Hey,
Dont be so hard on yourself. I really enjoyed seeing them again.
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Dont be so hard on yourself. I really enjoyed seeing them again.
I second that. The Devastator-based fighter is unusual, but very neat! Also, the F-105 looks very strangely...right. It just looks like it was meant to be.
Cheers,
Logan
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Older pics give us impetus to improve our skills either way, whether we redo them or merely have them for reference and it should also be remembered that it was the best we could do at a given time. All good reasons for keeping 'em.
Regards,
John
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Thanks for posting. Enjoy looking at art like this.
Reply 3 and 4 stuff especially interesting to me plus the C-46 variants.
Bill
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Thanks guys!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8030/7923246404_dc502e6794_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246404/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246404/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Republic TF-84F "Twinstreak", USAF.
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Oh wow! Now that I like!
Cheers,
Logan
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Love the twinstreak! Lauhof
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Twinstreak is a brilliant idea. Just the thing for the NATO airforces that adopted the type and maybe even an early Wild Weasel?
Regards,
John
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/7923248032_488e339bb4_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248032/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak HAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248032/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
TF-84F of the Hellenic AF.
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Twinstreak is brilliant. Makes you wonder why they never came up with it in real life... and also why no whiffer ever came up with it before either!!!
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Twinstreak is indeed da bizniz.
... and it makes me wonder about a two-seater plank-wing F-84G based night-fighter with Scorpion style wingtip
missile/fuel pods.
:icon_fsm:
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Thanks guys!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8170/7923247306_60538ab122_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923247306/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak IDF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923247306/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
An Israeli TF-84F evades AAA during a (very) low-level night raid during the Six-Day War while another is struck by a SAM.
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Mmmm...twinstreak... ;D
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I should think that a T-2 Buckeye's canopy would do the trick in plastic... what do you say?
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I used a Grumman F9F-8T (TF-9J) canopy as I have a conversion for it (somewhere) but a Buckeye should do the job, yeah.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8446/7923248422_dd99963b39_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248422/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak BAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248422/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
TF-84F of the Belgian AF.
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This is top for my belgian neighbours! ;D
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7923753862_1b5f9ff165_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923753862/)
Republic YRF-84L Thunderflash USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923753862/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Republic YRF-84L prototype seen during it's first flight in 1953.
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This is top for my belgian neighbours!
This one is for you lauhof52.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8177/7923246658_b44cc8583a_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246658/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak RNLAF Whiskey Four (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246658/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Republic TF-84F of the Whiskey Four display team.
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Nice EH. This is definitely one of those 'should have beens'.
I'm intrigued by the well-worn look of the Belgian TF-84F. Trade secret or will you spill on technique? ;)
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Thanks apophenia! My weathering technique is to spray dark grey/black over the panel lines on a separate layer and adjust the opacity of the layer to taste. I also use the multiply/screen function of the airbrush and various brushes on each individual colour to make a mottled effect. Hope that makes sense.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8459/7923246908_65b3da2d2b_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246908/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak RAF 222 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923246908/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Republic TF-84F of 222 Squadron, RAF.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/7923754812_54a3f4627d_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923754812/)
Republic ERF-84L USAF 'Wild Weasel I' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923754812/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Republic ERF-84L was the USAF's first attempt at creating a dedicated SAM-hunter and would later gain the infamous appellation: Wild Weasel I.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/7923790882_83fa0607a0_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923790882/)
Republic F-84J Thunderstreak USAF Kentucky ANG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923790882/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Republic's second YF-84J was significantly different from the first. While both shared a General Electric J73 engine, the No.2 prototype introduced a bubble canopy and an AN/APG-36 radar in a revised nose that also featured a chin intake. Whilst nowhere near as manoeuvrable as North American's Sabre Dog, the resulting aircraft was a decent bomber-destroyer that saw service with a number of squadrons.
Here, a Kentucky ANG F-84J-25 engages both it's afterburner and a target banner.
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Some really nice stuff there.
Regards,
John
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I take it that YF-84J uses the radar nose and inlet developed on the XF-91? That looks gorgeous and would be right at home partnered with F-86Ds in US service or F-86Ks in export service (I could see them in the markings of any country using either the F-84F or the F-86K in RL).
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Nice stuff, Empty Handed! I'm really enjoying your Thunderstreak permutations. Keep 'em coming!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks guys!
I take it that YF-84J uses the radar nose and inlet developed on the XF-91?
With a few tweaks, yes. In some ways, the YF-84J was more advanced than the XF-91 (not least in having a J73) so I've decided to develop the F-84J as an interim interceptor while I develop the Thunderceptor into the AP-54/F-102 (lets say Convair are busy with B-58 and Atlas developments) with the obviously long-lead F-103 being deferred until later.
I have given thought to something of a navalised XF-91 (sans rockets) as the wide landing gear track and variable-incidence wings may make it the only post-war Republic product that lends itself to carrier service. I believe I read somewhere that low-speed handling was actually quite good.
In the meantime, any requests on the TF-, L or J?
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Cool stuff, but how about trying the classic Sabre nose intake on it? ;)
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([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/RepublicTF-84FTwinstreakRNLAFWhiskeyFour.png[/url])
SWEET MONKEY JESUS!!!!!
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Thanks guys!
In the meantime, any requests on the TF-, L or J?
Well, the first thought that comes to mind is a TF-84F in Italian Frecce Tricolori markings along with one in operational Italian markings. The F-84J is an obviously one for any country who operated F-86Ks, perhaps a Norwegian one with Arctic operational markings? As for the ERF-84L, perhaps something in German markings (or an extreme version fitted out for Zero-Length Launch as a rapid response to WarPac aggressive moves). If you could find an image, or set thereof, of the old Hawk ZEL setup for a straight-winged F-84, it could probably be a good guide. Having had to deal with a boosted ground-launched cruise missile, I think I could give some help there. Too, if you can find the old Smithsonian AIr & Space video "Runways of Fire" you can get some more useful information.
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Thanks apophenia! My weathering technique is to spray dark grey/black over the panel lines on a separate layer and adjust the opacity of the layer to taste. I also use the multiply/screen function of the airbrush and various brushes on each individual colour to make a mottled effect. Hope that makes sense.
It does and thanks for the explanation. The effect is excellent -- and a bit like digital pre-shading.
A TF Request: Hellenic AF -- and the more beat up, the better ;)
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Thanks for the feedback guys! elmayerle, I hope you'll forgive me a degree of artistic license.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8308/7923754474_7debd31e10_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923754474/)
Republic JRF-84L Thunderflash USAF ZELL (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923754474/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The JRF-84L launches in it's usual spectacular fashion.
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That's a gorgeous pic of a ZELL launch. I'll grant you the artistic license (renewable after 5 years) for that picture, but the rocket really should be at a bit shallower angle relative to the fuselage datum as the rocket thrust vector has to go through the center of gravity of the whole assemblage or you get some real controlability problems (this was covered in the Runways of Fire video and article. It seems a test with a F-100 was delayed and the assemblage sat in the sun for several hours; differential heating bent the airframe to where the rocket thrust was rather off the cg and, when they did launch, the pilot had quite the wild ride.
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A TF Request: Hellenic AF -- and the more beat up, the better
I take it you didn't like this one from earlier in the thread then? ;)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/7923248032_488e339bb4_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248032/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak HAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248032/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Well, here she is again at the end of her career, suitably dirty.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/7923247622_82f859c2ae_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923247622/)
Republic TF-84F Twinstreak HAF Camo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923247622/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
...but the rocket really should be at a bit shallower angle relative to the fuselage datum
Hmmm... now you mention it, the thrust line does run a little too far aft. Shall we say the camera equipment in the nose was deleted for the test? ;)
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The ZELL launch is some wild stuff!
Regards,
John
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Thanks Mav!
This next one was a nightmare. I just can't seem to get blue right. Also can anyone spot what the problem was in going from a low-wing aircraft to a mid-wing one...... :-\
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8299/7923679184_b07f00753c_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923679184/)
Fiat G.84PAN AMI Frecce Tricolori (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923679184/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Fiat G.84 was a licensed-built version of the Republic TF-84F, differing from the later mainly in having a revised, photo-recce nose with a chin intake and in being powered by a Bristol Siddeley Sapphire rather than it's cousin, the Wright J65.
Here a G.84PAN (lacking combat equipment) of the Frecce Tricolori makes a practice pass on an otherwise dreary day at Rivolto.
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...but the rocket really should be at a bit shallower angle relative to the fuselage datum
Hmmm... now you mention it, the thrust line does run a little too far aft. Shall we say the camera equipment in the nose was deleted for the test? ;)
that combined with the extra weight of the rocket attach and jettison equipment and fitting at the back end works for me. Trust me, it gets even more "interesting" when you're working with two boosters.
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The G.84PAN is gorgeous in those markings. I hope we'll see more of these aircraft in Italian markings.
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Thanks!
Trust me, it gets even more "interesting" when you're working with two boosters.
Oh dear! I went with two boosters because of the ventral strake I've fitted to all the two-seaters. How interesting?
I hope we'll see more of these aircraft in Italian markings.
Oh, at least a G.91T equivalent and a Getti Tonanti or two are in order. If anyone is allergic to orange, they should probably avoid this thread!
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Thanks!
Trust me, it gets even more "interesting" when you're working with two boosters.
Oh dear! I went with two boosters because of the ventral strake I've fitted to all the two-seaters. How interesting?
Well, you have to take into account both the cant and clock angles of each booster nozzle to get the thrust vector of each booster through the combined cg of the vehicle (the cg is normally on the aircraft centerline so you have to clock each booster at an angle so that the thrust vector goes through the centerline). The main effect on any depictions would be that the rocket exhaust nozzles would show as ovals rather than just flat planes (for reference, take a look at pictures of the boosters on a Snark - somewhere I've got a copy of the alignment procedure for those boosters). Barring other restrictions, the mounting hardware for the boosters covers the cant angle with the horizontal plane and booster design and an alignment procedure deal with getting the clock angle correct. There's usually a specified cg range to design to and launched aircraft have the weight and balance done to make sure their cg is correct.
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I'm guessing the Frecce Tricolori red line is the issue with the Italian machine?
I'm also guessing that with two boosters, if one fails 'interesting' would be a very mild comment to make!
Regards,
John
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I'm also guessing that with two boosters, if one fails 'interesting' would be a very mild comment to make!
Rather, it's one reason there's considerable qualification effort on even "simple" solid fuel boosters. I don't know of any case where there's been a problem, but that's more likely indicative of the care and caution taken. I was working on boosters for a ground-launched missile and the testing was quite stringent, I can imagine what it would be for boosters used with manned aircraft.
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Well I am slow to the party.. I love the Basking Shark on the first page for starters... and the plethora of others ....Great work
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Well, here she is again at the end of her career, suitably dirty.
Thanks EH! I meant to ask for a camouflaged Greek but you've de-garbled my request ;D
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Well I am slow to the party.. I love the Basking Shark on the first page for starters... and the plethora of others ....Great work
Thanks! Slow or not, nice to see another friendly face! I do plan on revisiting the Basking Shark (and it's antipodean Hawker cohorts) in the near future.
I meant to ask for a camouflaged Greek but you've de-garbled my request
Yeah, I had a feeling which one you meant. I'm quite a fan of that scheme myself!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8181/7923678888_b5b75398d1_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923678888/)
Fiat G.84T AMI (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923678888/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
AMI Fiat G.84T.
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Very nice variants of the TF-84! :)
What about a twin-engined AMI G.84Y?
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Or maybe uninhibited...
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8318/7923678606_142e97071f_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923678606/)
Fiat G.84Y AMI Late (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923678606/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Fiat G.84Y, powered by the same two Pratt & Whitney J60 turbojets as Piaggio's license built T-39 Sabreliners, was the longest lived of the Thunderstreak derivatives, not being retired until 2000. This was due in no small part to the failure of the AMX programme to reach a consensus.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8316/7923248844_c66c98c9f0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248844/)
Republic AQM-42K Thunderfly (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923248844/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Republic AQM-42K 'Thunderfly' continues it's second life as a reconnaissance drone over North Vietnam.
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The Drone is particularly nice. I'm sure Greg will approve. >:D
Regards,
John
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I agree with Mav, the drone is very nice. :)
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Must agree :o Most nifty drone :-*
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UAV good!!!
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Excellent gallery as usual, but the ZELL launched version and the Thunderfly drone are SOMETHING ELSE!!! Wow.
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Thanks guys!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7923927952_e455b386bc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923927952/)
Republic XF5N-1 Thunderguard USN Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923927952/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Republic XF5N-1 Thunderguard prototype first flew 60 years ago today. Perhaps the best naval fighter of the early/mid-fifties, the variable incidence wings allowed comparatively straightforward carrier landings and unlike it's main competitor, the F3H Demon, the Thunderguard had been designed around the Allison J71 from the start, permitting it's full 14,750lbs of thrust to be used to the fullest.
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:o :-*
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OK, I'm diggin' the Thunderguard. :-*
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Thank you for the G.84Y.
Very nice drone indeed, love the camo too! :-*
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Ooh-aah! That Thunderguard would make a sharp-looking UAV too [hint, hint] ;)
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Fabulous Thunderguard...
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Thanks guys!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7923917572_abc6bd8f77_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923917572/)
Republic F3N-1 Thunderstorm USN Experimental Dark Grey (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923917572/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The US Navy was understandably reluctant to purchase a naval derivative of the F-84. While a more than adequate fighter-bomber, it's range, manoeuvrability and field performance left something to be desired. Republic went to great lengths to navalise the Thunderjet, culminating in the F3N-1 Thunderstorm.
Power was provided by a Pratt & Whitney J48 for commonality with other Navy types, necessitating a more rotund fuselage, as did the increased internal tankage. The wings were power-folded, increased in span and chord and featured full-span flaps to bring approach speeds to an acceptable level. Higher AoA could be adopted on approach thanks to the new forward position of the cockpit. The AN/APG-37 radar provided all-weather interception capability.
*apophenia - I'm going to finalise the F4N before I revisit both the F3N & F5N. I'll add a drone to the list.*
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Nice
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I love the Thunderstorm and Thunderguard and I'm quite looking forward to seeing the F4N which I imagine would bear a family resemblance to the swept-wing F-84s. So where the F1N and F2N navalized variants of the P-47 and P-72? I keep thinking that a P-72 with P-47N wings and a 5-bladed prop like that of the Sea Fury would look just right in Navy dark blue.
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The FN was P-35/P-41 based, the F2N P-47 based.
The F4N was my first pass at the Thunderguard that I didn't want to just discard. It is very much F-84F based. I purposely didn't do a P-72 as I figured the F2N was a wartime exigency and post-war, the Navy would be reluctant to deal with an "Air Force" supplier.
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The F4N was my first pass at the Thunderguard that I didn't want to just discard. It is very much F-84F based. I purposely didn't do a P-72 as I figured the F2N was a wartime exigency and post-war, the Navy would be reluctant to deal with an "Air Force" supplier.
Well, considering that the Navy was a bit slower getting into jets (considering the performance and behavior of the engines of the time - low power and long spool-up times, I can't blame them), I could see them going for a P-72 development as a F2N variant (close enough to qualify) that was of sufficiently high performance for the time. Besides, it's got an aircooled engine unlike the "Seahorse" derivative of the Mustang.
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I could see them going for a P-72 development as a F2N variant (close enough to qualify)
I quite agree. My original plan had the naval P-72 under the designation of F2N-8 or -9 (I'm quite sure I could get the F2N line up to that many sub-variants with the odd liquid-cooled H-type engine test-bed interspersed). I suppose I could reactivate that plan but I really wanted something of a story of Republic's reputation of producing ground-huggers working against them, Navy reluctance and eventually, Republic proving everyone wrong and developing a worthy family of naval fighters. Or something like that.
As an aside, I plan on merging my resin XP-72 with F-84G wings and tail section to produce a Korean War era piston-powered fighter-bomber with the jetpipe acting as a XR-12 style ejector exhaust. The tail-less F-84 will get a P-47 tail and become an alternative P-44 Rocket (the mid-fuselage V-1710 engined AP-12). Another F-84 will become a developed P-69 with the same ejector exhaust treatment.
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Sounds cool. I've got a resin XP-72 that's going to receive P-47N wings and a five-bladed prop. I'm also looking to blend P-47N wings with a P-84 to do an early iteration toward the production P-84. Also have thoughts of doing XP-47H/P-47N and XP-47J/P-47N crosses.
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I'm liking these ideas....
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Interesting....
On the XP-47J front, I've developed a hybrid cowling (including parts from a F8F and a J2M) to produce a P-47J with a cooling-fan in an extended cowling like that of the Raiden and hearken back to earlier Seversky experiments such as the AP-4:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49487266@N07/4822623722# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/49487266@N07/4822623722#)
..... but I digress! Maybe we should have a Republic Thunderfarm subject over in the Ideas & Inspiration section?
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8301/7923921090_e25688348e_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923921090/)
Republic XF4N-1 Thundershark USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923921090/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The XF4N-1 Thundershark prototype.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/7923920860_130d0488f1_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923920860/)
Republic XF4N-2 Thundershark (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923920860/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
F4N-2 production was cancelled in favour of development of the superior F5N Thunderguard. Construction of the prototype was well advanced however and Republic completed it to serve as a company testbed.
Amongst this aircraft's accolades was it's use in the development of the Fieri intakes that so typified later Republic products. It tested the Boundary Layer Control system used on the F5N's wing. It was also used as an engine testbed and in so doing became the sole aircraft to fly with the Allis-Chalmers J62 engine, which was a license built copy of the De Havilland Gyron Junior. It is depicted here during the latter's test programme.
Of note is the suction slot immediately ahead of the wing root that served both as an auxiliary inlet and as part of the BLC system to prevent separated flow over the wing root.
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I do like prototypes and that XF4N-1 Thundershark is no exception. Nice!
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8301/7923921966_065c3c81b5_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923921966/)
Republic F4N-1 Thundershark USN NOTS (Hopi) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923921966/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A NOTS (Naval Ordnance Test Station) F4N-1 performs an over-the-shoulder delivery during a test firing of a Hopi nuclear rocket.
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Per apophenia's request:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7923927622_62f6585286_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923927622/)
Republic XSSM-N-9 Regulus II (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923927622/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Republic XSSM-N-9 Regulus II in flight.
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Your two latest are both excellent! :)
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Some really nice stuff there!
Regards,
John
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A Republic XSSM-N-9 Regulus II in flight.
Awesome! The chin intake really does have a RW Regulus II look about it. Very nice!
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Per apophenia's request:
([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/RepublicXSSM-N-9RegulusII.png[/url])
A Republic XSSM-N-9 Regulus II in flight.
Beautiful!! Any chance of a launch sequence?
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Beautiful!! Any chance of a launch sequence?
No. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8317/7923928862_5be4b81403_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923928862/)
Republic MQM-15A Regulus II (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923928862/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Oh this? Someone just left this here, yeah.
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:)
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No. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.
It's important to stay firm on these issues.
Oh and, to whomever left that image there, great scheme!
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Certainly looks the part.
Regards,
John
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Thanks guys! And now for something completely different.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8038/7924028996_5db587821c_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028996/)
Bréguet Sirocco I Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028996/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Bréguet Br 1120 Sirocco I prototype.
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Am appreciating the various flavors of F-84s you are serving up. Nice Navy concepts and the radar nose.
Years ago remember seeing a depressing picture of many F-84Fs in 1960s piled on top of each other ready to be chopped up. UGH !
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Thanks guys! And now for something completely different.
The Bréguet Br 1120 Sirocco I prototype.
Mirage III competitor ? With Atar 9C
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Am appreciating the various flavors of F-84s you are serving up. Nice Navy concepts and the radar nose. Years ago remember seeing a depressing picture of many F-84Fs in 1960s piled on top of each other ready to be chopped up. UGH !
Ugh indeed! Thanks for the feedback finsrin.
Mirage III competitor ? With Atar 9C
Atar 9C, yes but more of an alternative to the Aeronavale F-8E(FN). Although I don't see why it couldn't compete with the Mirage family.
On a slightly different tack, what if SEPECAT happened a little earlier??
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/7924027800_aff18a06e3_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924027800/)
SEPECAT Sirocco GR.1 RAF 54 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924027800/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
SEPECAT Sirocco GR.1 of 54 Sqn.
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Hmmm...odd...in a good way.
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That Sirocco is sweet!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8297/7924028784_6951d1bc46_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028784/)
Bréguet Sirocco II Aeronavale (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028784/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Bréguet Sirocco II of the Aeronavale on retirement in 1999.
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And the Sirocco looks even better in Aeronavale markings!
Nice!
Brian da Basher
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And the Sirocco looks even better in Aeronavale markings!
It does indeed. But that 54 Sqn Sirocco GR.1 almost anticipates a conventional (non-V/STOL) Harrier!
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Perhaps an Israeli Sirocco? And their J79-powered derivative of the Sirocco?
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The Sirocco does look good!
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Thanks guys!
.....But that 54 Sqn Sirocco GR.1 almost anticipates a conventional (non-V/STOL) Harrier!
That was sort of the effect I was after. I intended for it to be a proto-Jaguar of sorts but with it's more curvaceous lines, decided that the LRMTS of the Harrier GR.3 suited it better and it very much became a blurring of the Harrier and Jaguar.
Israeli Sirocco up next.
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Beautiful!! Any chance of a launch sequence?
No. Absolutely no chance whatsoever.
([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/RepublicMQM-15ARegulusII.png[/url])
Oh this? Someone just left this here, yeah.
I'm always amazed at what people leave lying around!
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8448/7924028474_6760d4ab27_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028474/)
Bréguet Sirocco IRJ IDF (TASHBETZ) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028474/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Bréguet Sirocco IRJ of the IDF featuring a locally modified (TASHBETZ) recce nose.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8029/7924028120_750eb7a26e_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028120/)
IAI Tzafrir FAE (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924028120/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
An IAI Tzafrir of the FAE.
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I like the Sirocco´s
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Looking good.
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/7924084510_a2432d4a74_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924084510/)
Curtiss XA-46 Phantom Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924084510/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The prototype Curtiss XA-46 Phantom.
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Empty Handed, you're getting better and better by the post. Congrats!
I Love all your work
Rafa
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That Curtiss Phantom is very imaginative & innovative!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks! Although in fairness it is loosely based on the Curtiss P-517/-518:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2148.0.html (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2148.0.html)
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8319/7924107622_262a8e5ab7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924107622/)
Grumman F12F-1 Lion USN VF-101 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924107622/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Grumman F12F-1 Lion of VF-101.
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Love the Regulus launch sequence & Aeronavale Sirocco II! :-* ;)
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7924112080_4f3aaccca3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924112080/)
SNCASO Vautour IIB AdlA Anti-Flash (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924112080/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Vautour IIB, part of the AdlA's nuclear deterrent force.
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The Phantom is very interesting
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G'day Empty Handed
M.A.D here! I've just been browsing your terrific profile for the first time ;)
Well done with the Blackburn Buccaneer AS.3 launching an Ikara
!!!!!
An interesting concept!!!!
I'm off to exploring your remaining pages...........................
M.A.D
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I'm with JP. XA-46 Phantom VERY interesting.
Could make as 1/72 starting with 1/144 B-47 Ya think?
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Thanks guys! I think the B-47 would make a good basis for the XA-46.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/7924111656_b1935e9c0e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924111656/)
SNCASO Vautour IIB PAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924111656/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Mmmm...tasty!
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Very nice!
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Nice gallery, interesting and varied subjects. Especially note and like the little details like the nav lights, exhausts and the booster plume, very well done !
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Thanks guys! I think the B-47 would make a good basis for the XA-46.
It would indeed. Like that PAF Vautour too!
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Thanks guys!
I know this is hardly an original idea but......
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8032/7924143070_2af28c9322_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924143070/)
Hawker Sea Hurricane VII Indefatigable 1945 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924143070/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Not for me. Tres cool. Anything with a FAA Roundel and Bars are okay with me. :)
So what do you call it?
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I know this is hardly an original idea but......
Novel twists though! I love the Typhoon tail that you've introduced :-*
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Thanks!
So what do you call it?
It's a Sea Hurricane VII, developed, in part due to a lack of availability of Seafires. A handful of non-navalised Hurricane VIIs were also delivered to the RAF as fighter-trainers, freeing up front-line types for other duties. Some were known to last into the late 1940s as squadron hacks such as this 64 Squadron machine:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8448/7924143460_82de247fe8_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924143460/)
Hawker Hurricane F.7 64 Sqn Exercise Dagger (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924143460/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Here is my entry into the GB:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7924107280_2fbe1e87d3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924107280/)
One Day in a Long War (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924107280/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Grumman F-4G Lion of VF-96 shoots down a Vietnamese MiG-17 in 1972.
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Very cool....
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Thanks. A while back I mentioned doing a Getti Tonanti Twinstreak, so......
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8461/7923685424_ba197781a4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923685424/)
Getti Tonanti (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923685424/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Twinstreaks of the Getti Tonanti perform at the Paris Air Show in 1959. In the distance can be seen a Raduga Ra-3 of the USSR awaiting it's turn to display (escorts out of shot).
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Now that's nice....... How do I get that blank?
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Thanks......
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7923917870_0c17bb1960_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923917870/)
Republic F3N-1 Thunderstorm Turkish Navy - Yavuz (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923917870/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A F3N-1 Fırtına of the Turkish Navy operating off of the converted battlecruiser Yavuz in the mid-50s.
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Ohhh that is nice,has a more aggressive look with those intakes in the front !
Alex
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This is really interesting
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Liking all these. Grumman looks real as 60s-70s jet. And truely like how the blue-grey camo looks. :)
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Thanks guys!
Copied over from the April Fools GB:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8318/7923002670_210bab3a94_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923002670/)
Republic P-47D-40 Thunderbolt III 47 Sqn SEAC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923002670/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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I love those Sea Hurris, EH!!!
and the Jug-D is very good
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8458/7923922854_c879a85b62_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923922854/)
Relegated (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7923922854/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
With the advent of the F5N, the F4Ns were relegated to secondary and fleet support roles......
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Niiice and interesting :-*
Alex
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Very good
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With the advent of the F5N, the F4Ns were relegated to secondary and fleet support roles......
Beautiful paintwork ... a pity that she'll be splashed :o
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This is really promising! Good work.
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Looking good.
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Very good
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Thanks guys!
Really happy with the way this one is heading so thought I'd share! Still somewhat WIP.
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The Bristol Buccaneer - Bristol's answer to the DH Sea Hornet.
Oh! this is beautiful :-* :-* And I also like where it's going. At first sight and without reading your post, I thought: Bubbletop Beaufighter (one unfulfilled dream of mine - yet to see one). And admirably, you captured the Bristol look.
Great one, EH!!!
Rafa
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Thanks! Here's the Bristol Erinyes V-12 powered prototype:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8173/7924219096_0de54739cb_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924219096/)
Bristol Buccaneer Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924219096/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Looks quite the part and a natural diversion from the Brigand.
Regards,
John
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Nice. Where do you get the engine names from?
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Thanks! Went with an ancient Greek name (appropriate for Bristol) that I've been looking to drop in somewhere for quite a while.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erinyes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erinyes)
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Very nice EH :) The Brigand was too handsome to be overlooked as whif-fodder!
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She's hot!!!! :-* :-* :-*
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7924220030_7b1e8da4c8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924220030/)
Bristol Buccaneer FB.2 Yangtse Incident (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924220030/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Hastily re-tasked from Exercise Tumult in the South China Sea, one of HMS Leviathan's Buccaneers (retaining Exercise ID Bands and with any red of the national insignia temporarily deleted) looses the last of it's rockets against Communist positions as it roars over the beached HMS Amethyst at masthead height. The Buccs were instrumental in suppressing the Communist forces until HMS London, Belfast and Consort could arrive to lend their voice to proceedings.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8443/7924220776_e4e5de9e31_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924220776/)
Bristol Buccaneer FB.2 Exercise Tumult (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924220776/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Thanks! Here's the Bristol Erinyes V-12 powered prototype:
([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/BristolBuccaneerPrototype.png[/url])
Awfully nice! ;D
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Winner!!! :)
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Fantastic, EH!!!
The markings look awesome, love the off-tone :-*
Rafa
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Thanks guys! Don't have a working internet connection at the moment but wanted to show you guys what I'm working on at the mo.
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Two seat Demon!!!
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Very interesting (http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/respect/respect-048.gif)
Alex
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Thanks! Finally back up and running!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8176/7924322068_e7253202a4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924322068/)
McDonnell TF-3B Demon USN VT-23 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924322068/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A McDonnell TF-3B Demon of VT-23.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8459/7924321644_b065dd4ba1_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924321644/)
McDonnell TF-3K Demon FG.1 RN 736 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924321644/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A McDonnell F-3K Demon FG.1 of 736 NAS.
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Nice ones.
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I like the USN one.
Alex
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Very much liking those Demons-for-two! :)
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Thanks guys!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7924262588_6c0143cbfd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924262588/)
Bristol Bulwark AS.1 820 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924262588/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Bristol Bulwark AS.1 was Bristol's equivalent to the Short SB.3. Powered by two A.S. Mambas and featuring the anti-submarine radar and operator compartment in the bulged forward fuselage, the Bulwark nevertheless had a high degree of commonality with it's Buccaneer sibling. Here, an 820 NAS aircraft patrols for Soviet submarines from HMS Perseus.
SB.3: http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AE/AE03-5/73-1.jpg (http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AE/AE03-5/73-1.jpg)
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Super, super cool man!!!! It looks a lot better than Short's version. Wonder how well it would have compared to the Tracker?
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Excellent ... I was hoping that you'd develop the Buccaneer further! A minor note is engine position. Turboprops (even early ones) are really light compared to piston engines.
The Mamba's dry weight was only 780 lb whereas as V12s, Erinyes would be in the 1700-to-2000 lb range. So maybe the Bulwark should have longer engine-bearers to push the Mambas further forward?
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The Mambas are further forward of the wing than it's piston engined forebearer. The nose is longer, which gives the illusion that the nacelles are no different. I only made a minor change as there is already a great deal of extra mass forward.
I accept that it is somewhat less stable than the Buccaneer but the bulged keel and increased rudder area will compensate somewhat. As would powered flying controls!
Cliffy B, the Brigand that it is based on is actually slightly larger than the Tracker (which surprised me). So to operate off of a British carrier deck it would probably have to go with an elaborate double-wingfold system and possibly also a tailfold. I suspect it would be the Trackers equal in load-hauling but would probably not be able to accommodate changes in systems like the S-2 did due to the narrower fuselage.
The forward-sector only radar is also a little limiting. I may try a mark 2 with a retractable dustbin radar in the nose. I wanted to go with a family resemblance thing - the bulbous nose is based on the Bristol Freighter.
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EH: thanks for the correction :-[
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Oh apophenia, please don't get me wrong! You were absolutely correct. I had to double check myself with the little measuring tool in GIMP! I really appreciate someone challenging some of my design choices and being able to explain some of the thought processesssesesessss (?) behind it!
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/7924262014_57c728e8fc_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924262014/)
Bristol Bulwark AS.2 Prototype Farnborough 1950 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924262014/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The prototype Bulwark AS.2 performs at Farnborough in 1950. Disappointed with the performance of the fixed radar in the AS.1, Bristol fitted a revised nose to the AS.2 with a rotating radar in the chin position.
The canopy was revised to dispense with excess glazing as it was thought that targets would be prosecuted by radar alone. In practice, pilots appreciated the ability to have extra eyes out and production AS.2s returned to a larger canopy.
Another abortive feature of the prototype was the installation of an A.S. Adder turbojet in the tail with two intakes mounted dorsally. This was to facilitate higher transit and, if necessary, escape speeds. Production aircraft dispensed with Armstrong Siddeley powerplants altogether in favour of two more powerful Bristol Nereus turboprops. It had been the cause of some embarrassment for a Bristol aircraft to fly with A.S. engines, as Bristol had no equivalent to the Mamba. The Nereus was designed to rectify this gap in the Bristol product line.
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Your work has this "ghostly" quality of realism that I find just draws me in and your Bulwark AS.2 is a fine example! You're really showing off your talent with this beauty!
Brian da Basher
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I love the names you choose EH! And good to see that you're staying with the Sea-God theme for the small turboprop. Would the Nereus be a mini Theseus?
The AS Mamba/Adder would have made a natural pairing. Will Bristol Aero-Engines develop a similar turbojet version of the Nereus? If not, the Turbomeca Marboré is not too far off if Bristol wants to avoid their rivals from Coventry ;)
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Well I would go with something of a proto-Orpheus as the single centrifugal stage of the Theseus would mess up my nacelle!!
How about Bristol Thetis (a Nereid) for a turbojet development?
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8443/7924261410_413a608a9d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924261410/)
Bristol Bulwark AS.2B 815 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924261410/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Bulwark AS.2B of 815 NAS restarts it's port engine at the end of a long patrol prior to returning to the carrier.
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That's nice.
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Great profil and an interesting colour scheme
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How about Bristol Thetis (a Nereid) for a turbojet development?
Thetis works. I had a glance at a Nereids names list and was surprised to see there were none starting with 'B' :icon_crap: I kind of liked Thoe (Nereis of swift voyages) and Nausithoe (Nereis of swift ships) but neither exactly trips off the tongue in English.
http://www.theoi.com/Pontios/Nereides.html (http://www.theoi.com/Pontios/Nereides.html)
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Thanks guys!
Thanks for the link, apophenia. Might have to name a missile NEMERTES, the unerring!
Thought I'd re-do a previous Bristol design, the Bristol Brazen while I'm at it. It is an older drawing but it cleans up quite nicely.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8438/7924384694_e34bd18ba6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924384694/)
Bristol Brazen S.3 RN Aden Defence Flight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924384694/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Proteus-powered Bristol Brazen S.3 of the Aden Port Defence Flight.
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I like that one.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7924401158_6873c30be2.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924401158/)
Blackburn Murrelet I 803 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924401158/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Blackburn Murrelet (with Rolls-Royce Merlin C and two-bladed prop) was the FAA's intermediary between the biplane fighters like the Hawker Nimrod and the wartime fighters such as the Hawker Sea Hurricane.
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cute...
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Looks ripe for kit-bashing to "superize"
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Looks ripe for kit-bashing to "superize"
Ahhhh! There goes that surprise then! ;)
Actually I was planning on using elements of the Blackburn B.44 (minus floats) but retaining something of the humpback look that the Murrelet and it's predecessor, the F.7/30 seem to have.
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/9315.htm (http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/9315.htm)
http://rp-one.net/profiles/profiles_sky_1.html#image_4 (http://rp-one.net/profiles/profiles_sky_1.html#image_4)
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The Murrelet follow-on is looking good! I'd worked out a light twin based on the Jug as well but never got it past the pencil sketch stage ... snooze ya lose ;D
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Thanks! I'd still like to see your twin-Jug. Always good to have multiple takes.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/7924404180_df784f141d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924404180/)
Blackburn Kittiwake NF.1 1790 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924404180/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Blackburn Kittiwake NF.1 of 1790 NAS.
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Your Blackburn Kittiwake is a brute! I love it :)
Thanks! I'd still like to see your twin-Jug. Always good to have multiple takes.
Hmmm, might just have to finish her :D
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8031/7924404644_8bb651b52d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924404644/)
Blackburn Kittiwake F.III 806 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924404644/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Blackburn Kittiwake F.III of 806 NAS of the BPF in 1946.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8462/7924450538_5d617f3633_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924450538/)
Republic UC-78A Hyderabad AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924450538/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
During India's "police action" in Hyderabad, Operation Polo, the Nizam of Hyderabad fled to Pakistan aboard this Republic UC-78A that had been left behind by the USAAF at the end of WW2 and impressed by the Hyderabadi Air Force.
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Thanks!
([url]http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/My%20Profiles/BlackburnKittiwakeFIII806NAS.png[/url])
Blackburn Kittiwake F.III of 806 NAS of the BPF in 1946.
My fav !!!
Alex
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8458/7924455256_df361bd8e0_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924455256/)
Republic XP-79A Adder USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924455256/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Republic's XP-79A Adder No. 1 seen during a test flight.
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That looks like a flying dolphin! :D
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You know, with that yellow paint scheme I would have been sorely tempted to change the name of the Adder to "Thunderpeal"... or was that "Thunderpeel". :)
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My fav !!!
Yeah, it's amazing what a transformation the bubble canopy and belly radiator makes from the Kittiwake NF.1! :)
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The Bell SBL Airemora was an extemporised scout bomber based on a strengthened P-39 airframe and utilising the well-proven wing of the Douglas SBD.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7924484324_d7698aa0a8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484324/)
Bell SBL-1 Airemora USN Atlantic (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484324/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Bell SBL-1 of VS-37.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8299/7924484740_e35664bf52_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484740/)
Bell SBL-1 Airemora Mexican AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484740/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Bell SBL-1 of the Fuerza Aérea Mexicana.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8180/7924484052_bbfc89e3ca_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484052/)
Bell SBL-3 Airemora RNZAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924484052/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Bell SBL-3 of the RNZAF.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7924509704_99ca0e724f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509704/)
Caproni Ca.135 RAF Evaluation (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509704/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
In the early days of 1938, the RAF purchased a single Caproni Ca.135bis from the Italian government for evaluation. While no follow-up order was placed, the Caproni proved most useful in the role of a target for practice night interceptions and as a testbed for various night camouflage schemes. It is seen here in a variant of Nivo Green (with brown uppers) in the summer of '39.
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Bell SBL is a cool creation 8)
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Very nice...all of them.
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Good job
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8451/7924522956_1e1dcabd83_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924522956/)
Eurofighter Typhoon T.3 RAF 224 Sqn Retro Jet (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924522956/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Typhoon T.3 of 224 Sqn based at RAF Gibraltar in a "retro" scheme of the squadron's previous mounts.
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Different.
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Certainly looks good !!!
Alex
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Thanks. I seem to have utterly misplaced my muse recently but I have managed to get this done. It's a could've been. A Caproni Ca.135 in Japanese service (instead of the Fiat BR.20).
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/7924509998_6e103e9674_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509998/)
Caproni Ca.135 IJA 1939 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509998/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Is interesting how well Typhoon and Ca.135 schemes really do make identification difficult. Specially in flight with things moving.
Good schemes :)
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Oh, I do like that Caproni. :)
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Thanks.
After many false starts, Curtiss-Caproni, a subsidiary of Curtiss-Wright managed to successfully market a Caproni aircraft to the US market. This was the Curtiss-Caproni B-22 Raider. A licensed-built derivative of the Ca.135, it was powered by a pair of P&W R-2000s and featured a revised nose similar to the Lockheed Hudson and a stepped tail to accommodate a ventral gunner.
Although not a major success, the Raider proved to be a useful aircraft for the USAAF's ASW patrol off of the Eastern Seaboard and in the Caribbean as well as in secondary theatres such as Panama.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/7924509396_560e13aafd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509396/)
Curtiss-Caproni B-22A USAAF Panama 1943 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924509396/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
An airliner conversion was marketed by Curtiss-Wright (Curtiss-Caproni had been absorbed by it's parent company upon declaration of war) post-war but was not taken up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Caproni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss-Caproni)
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I really like the Raider. Looks very much a Ventura at first glance. CW had a relationship with Caproni in the 1920s in the Real World (I'm sure you knew EH), but never managed to build anything. Cool idea!
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Thanks! Here's an oldie-but-goldie I decided to re-do:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/7924562558_6798a9153e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924562558/)
Avro Aeolus FB.1 RN Admiral's Barge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924562558/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Admiral's Barge, an Avro Aeolus FB.1.
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Another oldie re-drawn:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/7924573126_12c6885fe9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924573126/)
Supermarine Sea Scourge NF.21 RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924573126/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A Supermarine Sea Scourge NF.21.
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McDonnell TF-88A Voodoo IIAF:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/7924587590_bed38c36a1_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924587590/)
McDonnell TF-88A Voodoo IIAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924587590/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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:)
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Thanks!
In the 1930s, Airspeed had the rights to license build several Fokker aircraft designs. In the event, there were no takers but what if there were......
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/7924613316_eb4b09ac07_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924613316/)
Airspeed Affray I RAF 1 Sqn B Flight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924613316/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Airspeed AS.17 Affray was a licensed-built Fokker D.XVII, a mark I is seen here in 1 Squadron colours in 1934.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8458/7924612950_06f8ee91cd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924612950/)
Airspeed Agave I RAF 94 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924612950/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Airspeed AS.19 Agave was the British-built equivalent of the Fokker D.XIX. Seen here is a 94 Sqn example flying out of RAF Habbaniya in hastily applied theatre camo c1941.
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Love the Airspeeds!
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:) :)
The AS.19 has a definite Avia B-534 look to it.
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:) 8)
Love the AS.19 in particular. What's with the tail-ski at Habbaniyah though?
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RAF forces in Iraq were the epitome of extemporisation! :P
....or ...... The original D.XIX profile I have is rather sparse and low-rez so I used my D.XVII (which has a skid) as a basis for the D.XIX.
.....has a definite Avia B-534 look to it
Yeah it really struck me as being quite similar too but no B-534s were harmed in the making of this profile!
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Love the Affray/Agave EH ... and completely plausible. But belated congrats on the Ca.135 developments. Going on looks alone, that was an airplane than deserved a better fate. Pallavicino would be proud :)
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Thanks apophenia!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8450/7924588086_0cb89507ed_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924588086/)
McDonnell F-88C USAF 37th FIS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924588086/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The APQ-50A radar and (lamentable) Westinghouse J46 engines (necessitating bulkier engine housings) were the defining features of the F-88C all-weather fighter.
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That looks great! :)
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Indeed
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Thanks!
Thought I'd have a go at 3-D modelling. After an afternoon and evening learning the ropes and 3 attempts at something XF-88 shaped, I got this far with gmax. Caution! Very, VERY WIP!
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I have been modeling for years and I have yet to make a quality aircraft fuselage like that.
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^ Thank you for the encouragement!
Progress:
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq5/sideshowbob9/3D%20Models/XF-88Mesh4.jpg)
Still a very long way to go but now roughly plane-shaped!
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Looking good!
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My hat's off to anyone who makes the effort at learning 3d modeling. One of those things I'd like to learn, but am still a little intimidated by...good luck!
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Thanks! After hours of trawling through youtube tutorials, I'm a little intimidated myself!
I would still recommend anyone having a go. If you just dabble, with no fixed end result in mind, you may be surprised how far you get.
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What software are you using?
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What software are you using?
Gmax
http://www.turbosquid.com/gmax (http://www.turbosquid.com/gmax)
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OK I've given up on the polygon or "cylinder" method and am giving the spline method a go. I can definitely recommend the spline method. You can get a lot closer to the desired shape with a lot less tweaking and messing about.
Decided to go with the original Su-15 as it's shape is simplistic enough for a 1st-timer but it's still got that retro charm! ;)
http://prototypes.free.fr/t6/t6-1e.htm (http://prototypes.free.fr/t6/t6-1e.htm)
If anyone is interested in the spline technique, there are a lot of tutorials online and on youtube in particular but this site really helped me get my head round it:
http://www.mr-jose.com/gmaxcourse/gmax-6.htm (http://www.mr-jose.com/gmaxcourse/gmax-6.htm)
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Looking good
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So good and so USAF 50's 60's. :-*
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So good and so USAF 50's 60's. :-*
:icon_music:
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Looka interesting, how hard is it to learn making these 3d profiles?
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Looka interesting, how hard is it to learn making these 3d profiles?
It isn't hard per se but there is a learning curve (it has it's steep bits). I only started on Monday so to get the basics should take a few days but it is very time consuming.
Everyone is different though. Some could do better in half an hour I'm sure!
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You seem to be making great progress !
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Thanks!
Bent the fuselage back to make something of a lip for the intake. Dunno what is going on with the fuselage-radome join yet. I need to sweep it back a bit but it'll do for now. :)
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Looking good! :)
I have tried another 3D software, but... asymmetric aircraft were impossible to handle.
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Thanks! I wouldn't even know where to start with an asymmetric aircraft!
Over a year ago now, I did a profile that was intended to be part of a larger idea. I've decided to revisit it.
Essentially, CAC purchases the license to built the Douglas TBD Devastator as a back-up torpedo-bomber to the Bristol Beaufort, c1938, finds it pretty inadequate and tries to find other uses for the design. The resultant designs mimic CAC's real-life North American-based design family.
I envisaged a trainer somewhat similar to the Fairey Battle trainer variants (I have the kits set aside to build this one day) supplanting the Wirraway, a twin-engine sturmovik type similar to the Woomera, and a cut-down, single-seat Devastator derivation for the Boomerang. It was with the latter I started last time so here we go again:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8311/7924660574_df6525e3a3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660574/)
CAC CA-12 Boomerang RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660574/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
I'm also planning something of an evolution of this Boomerang into something like the CA-15. It perhaps won't be the world-beater the real CA-15 was but it ain't gonna be no slouch either!
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Concerns over availability of Pratt & Whitney's R-2800 led CAC to begin investigating alternatives. One engine that was looked at was the same company's R-2060 Yellowjacket. On the backburner for a number of years, this liquid-cooled, 20-cylinder engine was finally reaching maturity but had yet to find any major applications. Thus, P&W practically bit off the Australian's hand when they purchased a production license and several examples, for use on the CA-15 Minka. A derivative of the Boomerang, the CA-15 was named for the legendary bird, whose appearance foretold certain death!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7924660254_e95d68fc81_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660254/)
CAC CA-15 Minka RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660254/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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That looks Awesome. And great story, never heard of the R-2060 until now.
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The Boomerang is top! 8)
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I too am learning 3D programs and it is really challenging. Great work
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8456/7924660954_5a93093c74_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660954/)
CAC CA-8 Wirraway RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924660954/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
CAC CA-8 Wirraway.
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Lots of goodness here. :)
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I love the nose-art on the trainer! ;D
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Love both the evolved Boomer and the CA-15 Minka :-*
I love the nose-art on the trainer!
Always good to put essential instruction right on the airframe ;)
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Your CA-8 is delicious... :-*
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Thanks y'all!
A while back I did a *small* number of Republic birds but managed to leave at least one idea out, an early F-105 based on the original J71 engined design. I've only ever seen a model of the original Republic AP-63:
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k190/Mike_Fiz/AP63_Republic.jpg)
Never seen a line drawing so the following can be considered highly speculative (loosely based on the XF-84H with RF-84F & XF-91 bits).
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8034/7924690880_6b9c02a894_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924690880/)
Republic YF-105A (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924690880/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Very interesting
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Lots of goodness here. :)
More goodness in one place than ought to be legal!
Outstanding stuff!!!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks guys!
Next up is a pair of Westland W.37 Warrior FAW.1s, both of 738 NAS, though the latter is in the colour scheme of the Red Devils display team:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8035/7924709342_4288a7efd2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924709342/)
Westland Warrior FAW.1 738 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924709342/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8435/7924708968_d33ebc2e41_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924708968/)
Westland Warrior FAW.1 738 NAS Red Devils (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924708968/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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I love that Red Devils roundel! :)
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8310/7924407022_8dd45578e5_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924407022/)
Blackburn Bantam FAW.2 898 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924407022/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Blackburn B-89 Bantam FAW.2 of 898 NAS.
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I love that Red Devils roundel! :)
Ditto! :D
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8440/7924840622_61073d586b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924840622/)
Consolidated - Vultee P-81A USAAF ETO Night Bomber Escort (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924840622/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
As the sun breaches the horizon, a P-81A escort fighter returns to it's home base after a busy night defending the USAAF's bomber force.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7924840978_f493c247de_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924840978/)
Consolidated - Vultee P-81A Costa Rican AF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924840978/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A P-81A of the Fuerza Aérea Costa Rica.
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The P-81 is very interesting: congrats
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Thanks.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8304/7924842908_88a12c0bcf_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924842908/)
Consolidated - Vultee B-32B Dominator USAAF ETO Night Bomber (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924842908/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Consolidated-Vultee B-32B Dominator of the USAAF's Night Bomber Force.
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Oh yeah!
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Love the newest addition :)
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Love the P-81A! So Consolidated Vultee stayed with Merlins for the 'A model?
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Thanks!
Love the P-81A! So Consolidated Vultee stayed with Merlins for the 'A model?
As a quick, get it out the factory door solution, yes. The T31 and T41 turboprops would come later. I figured doctrinally, the A model would pootle about like something of a pregnant Mustang for the most part but when something came up after their heavies, they would fire up the J33. With an intelligent use of this extra kinetic energy, they should be able to mess up/scare off *most* opposition.
Next up is my Black Projects entry. Just working on the finishing touches!
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A night Dominator? Absolutely brilliant, Empty Handed!
Brian da Basher
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Thanks!
My Black Projects Entry:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/7924872678_3950cf724a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924872678/)
Lockheed A-10-4 USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924872678/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1736.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1736.0)
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Mmmm :)
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Niiice :)
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Thanks!
My Pirate GB entry, a Chance-Vought F6U-3N Pirate of VF(N)-17 Jolly Rogers:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8439/7924876650_030710c29b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924876650/)
Chance-Vought F6U-3N Pirate USN VF(N)-17 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924876650/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Great ones
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Thanks!
Republic MX-1483 "Floating wing tips on F-84":
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8461/7924880032_1c05a89c0e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924880032/)
Republic MX-1483 (F-84E) USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924880032/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/mx/1000-1499.html (http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/mx/1000-1499.html)
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Great stuff EH! Once you're on to the MX- designations, you're into real obscura :)
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That Chance-Vought F6U-3N definitely is Pirate GB material for sure!
Love the Republic MX-1483 too!
Brian da Basher
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These profiles are inspiring to try in plastic. :) :) :)
If only I had more time and skill.
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Thanks all!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/7924595672_b38aee5c0d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924595672/)
McDonnell F3H-2P Voodoo VFP-64 USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924595672/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
McDonnell F3H-2P Voodoo of VFP-64.
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Love the smooth shape of the F3H!
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Mmmm...more Voodoos please. maybe some RAF, RAAF, etc, etc... ;)
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Thanks!
It's a Voodoo Greg but not as we know it! It's got a F3H Demon wing for a bit more lift over the fantail. I don't think I can face putting the old wing back but if that's OK, I'll get right on it.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8315/7924594082_5bef9837a8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924594082/)
McDonnell RF-3K Voodoo FR.1 RAF 2 Squadron (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924594082/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
McDonnell RF-3K Voodoo FR.1 of RAF 2 Sqn.
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:)
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An RAF Photo-Voodoo has been on my to-do-list for years now, so :)!
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Thanks!
I've re-done the tail fillet to something a bit more representative (after wrestling with photobucket - seems that if you upload a file with the same name as one you've deleted, you get lumbered with the deleted file not the new one??!!!!! Even after clearing cookies!).
A 13 Sqn RF-101B (Matchbox 1/72) was one of my 1st models so I'll have to do a few RAF machines. AMI & SAAF also spring to mind but next up is the RAAF.
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Congratulations for your new profile.
I had the same unpleasant experience with Photobucket, but when I gave up, I had the surprise that the IMG link directed to the new picture, the right one.
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Thanks Tophe! Glad I'm not the only one.
Here's the VF-74 Be-Devilers fighter variant, take two:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8175/7924596130_f58694d961_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924596130/)
McDonnell F3H-2 Voodoo VF-74 USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924596130/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Those Voodoos are awesome!
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Thanks Litvyak!
Greg, I hope you don't mind a non-standard colour scheme on the RAAF bird? This has to be one of the classiest c/s out there!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8303/7924594686_66bdbdbcab_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924594686/)
McDonnell RF-3E Voodoo RAAF 75 Squadron - Black Diamonds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924594686/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A RF-3E Voodoo of RAAF 75 Sqn's Black Diamonds display team.
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I like those Voodoos :)
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:-*
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Thanks!
It's a Voodoo Greg but not as we know it! It's got a F3H Demon wing for a bit more lift over the fantail. I don't think I can face putting the old wing back but if that's OK, I'll get right on it.
I've got something similar as a project, a navalized F-101B with the Demon's wing fitted. I'll prboably also replace the missile bay with a gun bay similar to that on the single-seat Voodoo fighters and I'm thinking that dropping the horizontal down to the fuselage would help in coming aboard the boat. I'm considering also reducing the vertical tail to match the original Voodoo mockup with the low horizontal. ::shrug:: It depends on how much carving I feel up to.
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^ Sounds cool! Have you decided on unit markings yet?
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8320/7924595020_2034945a5a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924595020/)
McDonnell RF-3E Voodoo AMI 51 Stormo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924595020/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
RF-3E of AMI 51 Stormo.
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Wicked!!!
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^ Sounds cool! Have you decided on unit markings yet?
Nope, though it will be a USN squadron. Speaking of this project, anyone know where I can purchase an Aeroclub 1/72 F-101A/C conversion for Hasegawa's RF-101C? I want the gun muzzle fairings for this project.
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^ You probably already know of this one but what the hay......
http://www.joesmodels.com/AEROCLUB_72_conversions.htm (http://www.joesmodels.com/AEROCLUB_72_conversions.htm) (2nd from last)
Meanwhile, the winner of the Voodoo of the Week Award goes to...... South Africa.......
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8322/7924592704_10504d8b11_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924592704/)
McDonnell RF-3Z Voodoo SAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924592704/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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SAAF F-101 = <3
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Meanwhile, the winner of the Voodoo of the Week Award goes to...... South Africa.......
Nice! :)
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No, I wasn't aware of that source and have now emailed them with regard to availability. I'll likely get two conversions, one as a spare "just in case". They've got a lot of other kits I'm looking for, too.
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Thanks for the comments guys!
I intend to do a few more Voodoos but in the meantime, something that has been on the back-burner for an age.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8316/7924988420_4eed844b27_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924988420/)
North American B-45C Tornado B.1 RAF 218 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924988420/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A North American B-45C Tornado B.1 of 218 Sqn, featuring the Orange Barrel tail-warning radar.
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Voodoos are always cool, keep 'em up!
That Tornado......it must be built :-*
You know, after look at that Tornado for awhile I can't help but notice how similar it looks to an A-20 Havoc; just me?
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SAAF RF-101 for the win!!!
Drippy sexy hot!!!!
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Yours and the real F-101s are a class act 8) 8) 8)
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:)
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/7924593512_8e347f7e63_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924593512/)
McDonnell RF-3K Voodoo FR.1A RAF 8 Squadron (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7924593512/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
An 8 Sqn Voodoo at low level.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7835393936_37f1c5d97d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835393936/)
North American KB-45E USAF & F-105A AdlA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835393936/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
An AdlA F-105A Thunderchief of EC 1/1 eases into position behind a USAF Mediterranean Command KB-45E Tornado after a successful practice delivery of a special store during NATO exercises.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7270/7835479692_10f9f42b04_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835479692/)
North American KB-45E Tornado USAF Med Com (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835479692/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8422/7835321096_ae7a91cbde_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835321096/)
Republic F-105A AdlA EC 1-1 Corse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7835321096/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Um...... cool B-45...... :)
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The B- 45 is a gorgeous and sadly neglected aircraft-I wish there were a less expensive option than
the Mach 2 kit...( which I gather is a bear to build, besides. )
Great profiles!
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I agree with Doc! Is there no 1/144 kit? Please keep the Tornadoes coming!!!! 8)
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Oh magnificent.... :P :P
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Very nice... awesome work, all around!
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Thanks!
I have a couple of B-45s in the works. I would have finished one of them this evening but I've finally had it with photobucket's seemingly optional picture loading! I've now uploaded all the more recent stuff to Flickr.
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Great looking profiles
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The B- 45 is a gorgeous and sadly neglected aircraft-I wish there were a less expensive option than
the Mach 2 kit...( which I gather is a bear to build, besides. )
Great profiles!
Well said Dr. Yokai. Like more of B-45 in pixal and plastic.
Empty Handed > Good job and more of B-45 is fine by me.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8042/7939609336_73bf719902_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7939609336/)
North American SB-45C Tornado USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7939609336/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
North American SB-45C Tornado on an air-sea rescue mission over the Alaskan landscape. Note the Fulton surface-to-air recovery system.
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In Grumman Swing-Wing XF10F-1 Jaguar by Corwin 'Corky' Meyer, there is a 3-view of the original Grumman G-83 design which was somewhat more conventional and clearly derivative of the F9F Panther (as well as a couple of other alternative designs which I will come to later). It inspired the following:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8040/7977697739_202228b82f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977697739/)
Grumman F10F-1 Leopard USN VF-24 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977697739/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8455/7977699538_93578997fe_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977699538/)
Grumman F10F-1 Leopard USN VF-154 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977699538/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8308/7977699738_272f6606cd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977699738/)
Grumman F10F-1 Leopard USN VA-214 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977699738/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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I wanted to try a USAF style scheme on a USN bird with the full U.S. Navy title on the nose and a buzz number etc. and this was the result.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8306/7977800290_9dbbff525d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977800290/)
Grumman F10F-1 Leopard USN VF-213 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7977800290/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Mmmmm.....
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The second pass at the G-83 was far closer to the XF10F-1 that we know and love. It had a conventional low horizontal tail that Corky believed would have resulted in a much more successful aircraft.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8041/7979614407_dbb5ccf0af_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7979614407/)
Grumman XF10F-1 Jaguar USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7979614407/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The other drawing in the book is of the G-86, a J40 and Curtiss-Wright rocket engined interceptor. Due to it's similarity to the G-83 (II) above, it could naturally be made part of the XF10F family.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8297/7979686186_80e1329a6e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7979686186/)
Grumman XF10F-2 Jaguar USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/7979686186/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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:)
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Over on secretprojects, its mentioned that Republic was interested in building the SNCASE Grognard for the B-57 competition.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1506.msg12807.html#msg12807 (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1506.msg12807.html#msg12807)
So I thought it would be interesting to see what Kartveli would do with it. Presenting the Republic B-57A Veteran:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8467/8105024631_5b70293c5f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8105024631/)
Republic B-57A Veteran USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8105024631/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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that blue&white Jaguar looks nice !
A Lend-lease version for the RN too maybe ?
I like the top intake for the Republic B-57A Veteran USAF by mtpalmer1, on Flickr :) Include that on some of yours ?
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Wow!!!
Any chance of a SNCASE Grognard in this scheme:
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/USA%20and%20Europe/89_6_b1.jpg)
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raafif, not sure if you're joking or not but I AM mtpalmer. "Empty Handed" - m-t Palm (er). Clever, no? (Whatdya mean no?!!) ;)
Greg, I used the unbuilt SE-2418 Grognard variant from Cuny's book as a basis and my B-57 has very little of it left (mainly around the cockpit area). A Grognard would require a completely new drawing (7-8ish hours work for a full up profile). If you mean an Israeli "B-57" then cool although I will hold off until you've seen the B-57E (should be an hour or 2). It could be right up the IDF's alley!
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I am happy with whatever you do - even something that looks a little Grognardish would be fine.
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^ Cool!
For the B-57E, I essentially wanted to transmogrify Republic's interpretation of the Grognard into something of a "deep Thunderchief". Did you know that ALL alternate universes have a Thunderchief? Yeah. It's Heisenberg's 105th Law.
Anyhoo, this was the result....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8327/8107163448_566214e240_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8107163448/)
Republic B-57E Veteran USAF SEA Camouflage (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8107163448/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8188/8107437750_9d7d218e27_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8107437750/)
Republic B-57B Khayál IDF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8107437750/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Republic B-57B, called the Khayál locally, of the IDF.
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:). Thanks
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The configuration...... makes me think of a seaplane derivative in the vein of Saro P.121 (scroll down a little more) (http://www.airvectors.net/avcmast.html#m3)......
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Nice! Love the 'E version :)
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Thanks all!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8346/8227565613_21a72e1453_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8227565613/)
Boeing SB-1 USN VS-37 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8227565613/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Boeing SB-1 Huntress was essentially a production Boeing Model 490. Here we see a VS-37 example.
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Nice! Does the SB-1 evolve from the XF8B-1?
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Very nice one!
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great one
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Thanks all!
Nice! Does the SB-1 evolve from the XF8B-1?
It's based on the Boeing 490 which can be found on page 3 in the following secretprojects thread. It can apparently be found in "Boeing XF8B Last of the Line" by Jared A. Zichek so I would guess it is indeed derived from the F8B.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,584.30.html (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,584.30.html)
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8338/8230078885_63d1c5e5eb_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8230078885/)
Northrop F-89F Scorpion USAF 27th FIS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8230078885/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Northrop F-89F Scorpion of 27th FIS.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8230415939_3dcc21d106_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8230415939/)
Boeing SB-1 MLD (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8230415939/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Boeing SB-1 of the Marine-Luchtvaartdienst.
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Thanks Empty Handed for the Dutch SB-1. I love it. :-*
regards
Lauhof
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F-89F :-* :-* :-*
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Thanks!
In it's continuing quest to interdict the Ho Chi Minh trail under Operation Shed Light, the USAF purchased several surplus Boeing S-2Ds and outfitted them with a combined FLIR/LLLTV sensor and a bomb bay modified to serve as a cluster munitions dispenser. The result was the AS-2D Tropic Owl.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8065/8232300329_0329403866_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8232300329/)
Boeing AS-2D USAF 'Shed Light' (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8232300329/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Here an AS-2D, having expended it's weapons, releases flares to allow other assets to engage the target.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Shed_Light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Shed_Light)
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:)
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Ooo, the AS-2D looks deadly serious :) An upgrade with a slow-turning, multi-blade prop would be just the thing for stealthier night flying.
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Thanks.
Just FYI, I consider all SB/S-2s to come with a 4-bladed prop as standard (anything less and you are wasting a R-2800). I'm not too sure how to depict end on or near end on blades so I tend to make the whole thing a blur to depict a prop disc.
As for stealthiness, that's not what you bring an AS-2D to the party for! >:D
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Point taken. I was thinking there'd be value added if Charlie's first hint that his day was going pear-shaped was the patter of falling submunitions ;)
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Oh I absolutely agree but in this instance, I'll have to settle for the 2nd hint that Charlie's day was going pear-shaped was the patter of falling submunitions! ;D
Apologies if you already know of this, but the YO-3A makes for an interesting study in quietude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3)
YO-3A Osborne-Vietnam 1971 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_EVe7MjzRk#)
How well it would up-scale is an open (and fascinating) question!
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Apologies if you already know of this, but the YO-3A makes for an interesting study in quietude.
It does indeed. On a slightly larger scale was DHC's experiments with the Otter. At one stage they mounted huge mufflers and very broad blades on what looks like a Spitfire's five-bladed propeller hub. It wouldn't have been a patch on the YO-3A, of course.
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Oh I absolutely agree but in this instance, I'll have to settle for the 2nd hint that Charlie's day was going pear-shaped was the patter of falling submunitions! ;D
Apologies if you already know of this, but the YO-3A makes for an interesting study in quietude.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3[/url] ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YO-3[/url])
How well it would up-scale is an open (and fascinating) question!
I worked with a guy that used to fly the second seat on the YO-3 as the sensor operator. He said that they used to fly low enough to look under the forest canopy along the river at night. Doing that in a quiet aircraft gives you a significant advantage when you are trying to locate your antagonists without alerting them. Since the FLIR sensor was mounted under the aircraft that means they were flying quite low and I would imagine it took no small amount of effort and courage to pull that off without a failure of your starfish gasket.
I like the idea of an Otter or Beaver with a propeller sporting many blades. The more the better! With companies such as Quick Boost and others that provide resin replacement propellers it would be easy to source a propeller from a Griffon engined Spitfire or maybe a Sea Fury.
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Hmm, that suggests a Mitsubishi LR-1 derivative with a modified pair of Garrett turboprops driving comparatively slow-rotating eight-bladed props and IR-surpressed exhausts.
LR-1 = Unpressurized JGSF "amy co-op" version of the MU-2 including weapons capability.
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I like the idea of an Otter or Beaver with a propeller sporting many blades. The more the better! With companies such as Quick Boost and others that provide resin replacement propellers it would be easy to source a propeller from a Griffon engined Spitfire or maybe a Sea Fury.
Doh :-[ I hadn't thought of a Sea Fury origin for the RW prop. Thanks, that makes way more sense!
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Would the LR-1 not run straight into the NIH syndrome? What home grown aircraft could be modified to fulfil a similar role? Rockwell Aero Commander? The Otter has already got a foot in the door so I could definitely see that.
Also observation is all well and good but these are gonna need interoperability with some heavy prosecution platforms. So what do people see bringing the rain? I think the Intruder would be ideal but since trail interdiction seems to have been primarily a USAF thing, the Grumman product could also run into NIH and the USN would probably be reluctant to release the airframes too!
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Would the LR-1 not run straight into the NIH syndrome? What home grown aircraft could be modified to fulfil a similar role? Rockwell Aero Commander? The Otter has already got a foot in the door so I could definitely see that.
Also observation is all well and good but these are gonna need interoperability with some heavy prosecution platforms. So what do people see bringing the rain? I think the Intruder would be ideal but since trail interdiction seems to have been primarily a USAF thing, the Grumman product could also run into NIH and the USN would probably be reluctant to release the airframes too!
Well, considering that all MU-2s delivered outside of Japan were assembled, checked out, and delivered in the US (San Angelo, TX - I know, I worked for them once upon a time as Chief (and only) Powerplant Engineer), I don't know that the NIH syndrome would be quite as powerful. Having said that, the same engines and propellers mounted on the OV-10 (since the T76 is the military version of the TPE331) would make more sense and permit more stores possibilities.
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^ I didn't know that. Dis-regard my last then.
It is certainly the best what if idea for an MU-2 I've encountered. If I ever get my grubby little mitts on one, I'll definitely do something along those lines.
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For heavy interdiction bringing the rain, how about a USAF buy of Intruders much as they later bought Corsair IIs? Alternatively, given the relationship McAir and Blackburn had fostered over the British Pahntoms, perhaps a buy of McDonnell/Blackburn A-8 Buccaneers?
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I will definitely have to do some USAF Intruders.
First though, I had an idea yesterday that I just couldn't get out of my head of using the outline of a Martin B-10 as a basis for a single-seat, single-engine fighter. This was the result...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8337/8247595659_75dcc103a3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8247595659/)
Martin XP-41 USAAC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8247595659/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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I like it and it got that late 30´s feel
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^ I didn't know that. Dis-regard my last then.
It is certainly the best what if idea for an MU-2 I've encountered. If I ever get my grubby little mitts on one, I'll definitely do something along those lines.
Well, cross the radar-nose from Hasegawa's Mu-2S with their Mu-2J to do a drug interdictor for the US Customs Service. The fiberglass fairings in front of the main gear sponsons would allow you to mount sensors there and neatly fair them in, or as a start for mounting more aggressive capabilities.
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I will definitely have to do some USAF Intruders.
First though, I had an idea yesterday that I just couldn't get out of my head of using the outline of a Martin B-10 as a basis for a single-seat, single-engine fighter. This was the result...
Very nice and looking the part and period very well. 'Twould be fascinating to see an evolved version as Martin met the demands of the frontlines.
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First though, I had an idea yesterday that I just couldn't get out of my head of using the outline of a Martin B-10 as a basis for a single-seat, single-engine fighter...
Dang that's nice :)
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Thanks for the feedback guys!
I wasn't planning on it but several Martin fighter ideas snuck up on me overnight. Please stay tuned!
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I was hoping that you were gonna say that :D
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8340/8253340082_cdbf6ee48a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253340082/)
Martin P-43A USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253340082/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Martin P-43 was a straightforward development of the XP-41. Featuring a P&W R-2180 Twin Hornet of 1400hp, the P-43 Myrmidon was reasonably fast and maneuverable but was quickly left behind by more advanced pursuit aircraft (including some of Martin's own). By the second half of the war, many had been relegated to squadron hack status, as with the above example.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8204/8253354508_4db06b2d72_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253354508/)
Martin B2M-1 USN VB-1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253354508/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Martin B2M-1 was an early attempt at a multi-role aircraft, supposedly being equally at home in the dive-bomber and torpedo-bomber roles. In reality, while it was competent in either role, it never really excelled and was quickly superceded by later aircraft. In the early Pacific campaign however, the R-2180 powerplant gave it a fair turn of speed for it's size and combined with it's stocky construction, allowed many a B2M through picket lines that might otherwise have been shot down.
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:) :)
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Both of these are great! :)
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8068/8253993960_e95df5a1f9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253993960/)
Martin P-49E USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8253993960/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Martin P-49E was a modification of the basic P-49A (then as yet unflown) to fulfil an urgent requirement for a high altitude interceptor. When the threat of high-altitude bombers did not materialise, the P-49Es found useful employment with several photo-reconnaissance squadrons.
Here the turbo-supercharged Packard V-2240 Griffon sings as the P-49E reaches it's service ceiling of 46,397ft.
FYI This one came to me while looking at a B-10 fuselage upside-down and thinking it looked reminiscent of the BV-155C. There is a B-10 in there somewhere!
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This is so cool. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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These Martins look like they came from scenario where P-47 doesn't exist form one or another cause. P-49 E look particulary nice. Maybe other versions?
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:)
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Thanks! The early Martin fighters are indeed very much similar to the P-47's forebearers. The B-10 outline I used as a basis shares the same pot-bellied look of the Seversky/Republic fighters so it seemed natural to have a similar progression. I hope the P-49 is a sufficient departure from this quasi-plagerism! ;)
While doing the P-49E, it struck me as quite pretty in it's own way and so, working backwards, I came up with a 'standard' variant for the E to be developed from. I'm quite pleased with the result!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8482/8254654095_4afcd55bf7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8254654095/)
Martin P-49C Meteor USAAF 456th FS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8254654095/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Needs some nose art... ;)
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And Griffon powered long range version, escorting B-29 over Japan. ;)
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8078/8257975682_07621973f2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8257975682/)
Martin XP-68 USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8257975682/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The Martin XP-68 on it's maiden flight.
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:)
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Thanks!
Since there was no production contract forthcoming for the XP-68, the second, partially-constructed, prototype was extensively modified to become Martin's entry for the MX-511 requirement. Shortly thereafter, it became known as the XP-83. With it's 2 underpowered J34s, the XP-83 was slow, ponderous and heavy on the controls. It faired no better than it's piston-engined sibling and remained the sole example.
It was later handed over to the USAF where it found some use testing equipment for the various new-generation jet nightfighters.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8223/8258605861_43016df08f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258605861/)
Martin XP-83 USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258605861/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
From the archive: The XP-83 was intended to be the first in a new heavy fighter dynasty. Alas, it was not to be. This sketch, titled 'Martin Supersonic Interceptor For The 50s' was drawn shortly after the XP-83's first flight. It could be considered to be the ultimate evolution of the XP-83 configuration.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8072/8258607111_c2c0a0f6e2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258607111/)
Martin Supersonic Interceptor For The 50s (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258607111/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Needs some nose art... ;)
I did try and have a go at some nose art......
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8061/8258626795_bb56ec81fb_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258626795/)
Nose Art (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8258626795/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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That nose art looks like it would be perfect for a recce bird. *grin* I can just see it on an operational F-12 "Rainbow" operating at will over Der Grosser Reich.
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Looking good.
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Love the fighters -- especially the mid-engined one -- but my personal fav is still the B2M-1 :)
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Thanks!
Martin XP-84 & XP-84A Marlin:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8265499042_430a3de4a9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8265499042/)
Martin XP-84 Marlin USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8265499042/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8504/8264430481_ec10d4b45c_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8264430481/)
Martin XP-84A Marlin USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8264430481/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
--- Derived from the P-49, with Republic's F-84 and SNCASO SO-6020 Espadon clearly influential.
http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4349L.jpg (http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Braas/4349L.jpg)
http://www.aerofiles.com/repub-yp84a.jpg (http://www.aerofiles.com/repub-yp84a.jpg)
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There were only two B model F-84s ever produced. Both were taken off the A model production line in an effort to determine the best placement for the intake as the ventral position was prone to what is now known as FODing.
The first was fitted with a nose intake which resulted in much lower drag but precluded use of a radar and was thus quickly dismissed. The airframe was used as an engine testbed for all subsequent models that utilised the Allison J35.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8083/8266169586_84144952c1_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266169586/)
Martin XP-84B Marlin No. 1 USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266169586/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The second prototype, nearly complete, had the extended intake trunking bifurcated short of the nose, allowing two lateral intakes to be used and thus a radar to be retained. This configuration was selected for the next production model, the C, albeit with the intakes cut back to the wing root.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8071/8266171842_7c21ff9102_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266171842/)
Martin XP-84B Marlin No. 2 USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266171842/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8266283306_9603e5a25f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266283306/)
Martin F-84C Marlin IAC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266283306/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
A F-84C Marlin of the IAC.
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Great evolutionary process for the Marlins! :)
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Love the last one.
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Thanks!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8058/8266610363_cba8341794_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266610363/)
Martin F-84D Marlin USAF 22nd FBS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8266610363/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8499/8267798236_3f42a2aa81_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8267798236/)
Martin YF-84E Marlin USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8267798236/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Love that swoopy YF-84E! And its great how Martin keeps tweaking its intake designs :)
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Thanks! I figured the "spectacle" intakes on the C, being hold-overs from the P-49's belly scoop in design, would be just about ready for replacement by '48/49.
As for the E, I envisioned a (primitive) afterburner which meant a longer engine. How to accommodate this without increasing the length of the aircraft, impinging on the nose or interfering with the new thin wing in a way in keeping with late '40s/early 50's design??? Chin intake.
That or I couldn't make up my mind!!! (I am a libran!)
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Got there in the end.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8499/8311624222_42718b2a85_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8311624222/)
Grumman A-6C Intruder USAF Combat Hammer (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8311624222/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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That's nice! I like it.
Cheers,
Logan
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Way cool! :)
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Thanks guys!
Intruder swansong:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8501/8322596870_b0dd812e00_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8322596870/)
Grumman A-6G Intruder USAF 27th FW (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8322596870/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Excellent shading on that A-6G! :)
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Thanks!
Here's a couple of quickies:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8499/8333137113_3b8392c052_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8333137113/)
Central NC.1080 Cimeterre IB Aeronavale (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8333137113/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8516/8357113901_859db6a70b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8357113901/)
Central NC.1090 Cimeterre II Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8357113901/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Nice profiles, the NC.1080 have a kind of Attacker/Swift look :)
(And just for the information, it's Centre not Central or AéroCentre ;) )
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Yeah there is quite a bit of a Supermarine vibe to them. Between that and the alliteration, Cimeterre just seemed a natural choice. I went with Central rather than Centre because Centre just didn't have that ring to it. I hope you'll forgive a tiny bit of artistic license.
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No problem, after all it's a sort of whiff-land :)
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Inspired by Apophenia's recent Dewoitine offerings, I've decided to play with his idea of SNCAM sticking around post-war with Dewoitine at the helm.
I intend to concentrate on Dewoitine's Argentinian designs and leave the D.520 derivations to the far more talented Apophenia. First up is the SNCAM M.650 (IAe 26):
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8081/8345872292_6a6152cca4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8345872292/)
SNCAM M.650 AdlA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8345872292/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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SNCAM M.700 (IAe 27):
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8495/8346503412_8da1d9cd5f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8346503412/)
SNCAM M.700 Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8346503412/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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The SNCAM M.720 was originally conceived as a fighter but was quickly overtaken by more advanced aircraft. Midi quickly developed a bi-place variant to act as a trainer. The result was the M.721.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8235/8346089383_c81c78ec4b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8346089383/)
SNCAM M.721 AdlA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8346089383/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Oh wow, this is too cool EH! I was hoping that someone might take up the Midi story :)
I like your M.650 and, as with the IAe 26, it makes me wonder about the RW 1940 M.580 project. I believe that this Midi project had tandem HS.12s arranged like those on the Arsenal VB.10 (maybe Tophe can confirm?).
Your SNCAM M.721 is a big improvement over the IAe 27! Not quite sure what Émile was thinking with that funky Pulqui I engine installation :o
BTW, I love those tail endplates on your Cimeterre too!
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The M.721 is gorgeous!
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Thanks!
I've always liked the shear brutality of the SE.580. I'll have to have a go at that someday. I've only found out about the original M.580 fairly recently from the thread here (toward the bottom):
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4110.msg170763.html#msg170763 (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4110.msg170763.html#msg170763)
It's quite an attractive design. I may have to add it to the list.
The M.721 is based on the real-world D.720 fighter project. I think I found it in the book Las Alas De Perón (scanned it from a library copy ages ago).
Next is the SNCAM M.705:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8183/8357082527_bf70da62ce_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8357082527/)
SNCAM M.705 Aeronavale (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8357082527/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The SNCAM M.705 was a direct development of the ungainly M.700 submitted to the same Aeronavale requirement as the Nord 2200 and Central Cimeterre. A limited production contract was awarded to SNCAM while the Aeronavale waited for Central to develop the definitive Cimeterre II. The M.705 gave the Aeronavale useful experience with higher performance jet aircraft in this interim period.
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Lovely work as usual...especially the Intruders.
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Thanks!
I had intended on leaving the M.70* series at that but last night my muse clubbed me with a 2-by-4!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8233/8361202578_78f7edf217_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8361202578/)
SNCAM M.707N Engoulevent IN AdlA (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8361202578/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Very nice :) And great choice of names! Somehow the radar/intake say 'Soviet' while everything else about the M.707N is pure French :-*
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Thanks apophenia!
The Republic XP-62 or "oh so that's why hardly anybody put a R-3350 on a fighter":
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8225/8459534378_e4aa9a881a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8459534378/)
Republic XP-62 USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8459534378/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Nicknamed Thundergut?
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Very cool.......
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:)
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I like your "improved" XP-62 :-*
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Your "improved" XP-62 is a fit for Luft 46. :)
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Thanks guys!
The Nakajima A2N1 was a licensed-built derivative of the Gloster Gnatsnapper II. It was selected over a Boeing-based design due to the A1N's (also originally a Gloster product) victory against Boeing P-12s over Shanghai in 1932.
http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/a1n.htm (http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/a1n.htm)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8465816502_8e00cb26b6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8465816502/)
Nakajima A2N1 IJN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8465816502/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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That's lovely, Empty Handed. I think it looks great. I love Japanese 30s and 40s aviation, so I think that looks very nice. I wish some of the aircraft detail was a little better defined so we could appreciate it more.
Cheers,
Logan
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That looks great!
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Thanks! Japanese 30s aviation is absolutely rife with potential what ifs. It is definitely an area I'll be re-visiting.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8237/8466088295_a1192a9b2a_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8466088295/)
Gloster Gnatsnapper III RN 800 NAS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8466088295/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Love the Nakajima! Great color choices. :)
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very cool gnatsnapper! ;D
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Thank you kindly.
Oh, BTW, this one is all Jorel's fault! ;)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8100/8471406927_3ef8e3c7a7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8471406927/)
McDonnell P-78A Phantom USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8471406927/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Oh, that's a nice one and I can buy a backstory of the USAF obtaining some for comparative test and evaluation purposes.
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Mmmmmm... build one and you'll fool many 8)
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outstanding
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Thanks! Whilst I was doing the Phantom, I came across a part-finished profile from a little way back and decided to finish it.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8097/8473731187_d7429fac8e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8473731187/)
McDonnell F2H-5 Banshee USN VF-21 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8473731187/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The McDonnell F2H-5 Banshee was a Banshee in name only and was actually a derivative of the F-88C Voodoo, sharing the latter's Westinghouse J46 engines and APQ-50A radar. As with many aircraft of the era, it's designation suggested an improved model of an existing design rather than an all-new aircraft as this was far more likely to be approved by Congress.
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Thanks! Whilst I was doing the Phantom, I came across a part-finished profile from a little way back and decided to finish it.
The McDonnell F2H-5 Banshee was a Banshee in name only and was actually a derivative of the F-88C Voodoo, sharing the latter's Westinghouse J46 engines and APQ-50A radar. As with many aircraft of the era, it's designation suggested an improved model of an existing design rather than an all-new aircraft as this was far more likely to be approved by Congress.
I intend to do this aircraft's latter sibling, the F3H-3 Demon, based on the F-101B.
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I also saw the other profiles in flickr, great work.
Just a tip, to improve even more your work.
Try to give a bit more contrast to the highlights and shadows and consequently turn a little more dark the bottom surface of the wings than their shadows on the plane. :)
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Thanks!
Geist, I'm afraid with these last few profiles, I've been striving to do the opposite of your advice! Shadows are rarely absolute, so I've been adding glints of light within the shadows. As an example, my kitchen handles are metal. They are beneath the counter line and cannot be in direct sunlight yet they each have a sheen running down their length - indirect lighting.
My profiles are all flyers. Though you cannot see them, they are all in reasonable proximity to clouds or a mostly innocuous planetary body and as such are indirectly lit by them, to varying degrees.
I suppose it is the varying degrees bit that is the problem as I tend to do both the highlights and shading on a case-by-case basis, going mainly by instinct. Since I have been studying aircraft pretty much every day for 30-odd years, I feel that my instincts are fairly well honed. I actually quite enjoy this process and feel my more recent efforts are reasonable depictions (YMMV).
That said, I have taken your advice onboard and will keep it in mind when doing profiles and may well add a few % to the shadows, a Geist Factor if you will. ;)
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:)
Below the links to my works:
http://www.duhraviationart.com/ (http://www.duhraviationart.com/) (my website)
http://neuer-geist.deviantart.com/ (http://neuer-geist.deviantart.com/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40823449@N03/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40823449@N03/)
http://www.facebook.com/DUhrArt?ref=ts&fref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/DUhrArt?ref=ts&fref=ts)
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Luftwaffe-Confidential/154829451240860 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Luftwaffe-Confidential/154829451240860) about a book I did
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^ Cool stuff!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8476812791_84daca2fa6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8476812791/)
McDonnell F-78C Phantom USAF 493rd FBS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8476812791/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8110/8476880991_91a707caf3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8476880991/)
McDonnell RF-78C Phantom USAF 191st TRS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8476880991/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Sweet...
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Very nice...... :icon_music:
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Very nice
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Great.
I like the McDonnell F-78C Phantom USAF 493rd FBS by mtpalmer1. :)
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Very nice! The Banshee looks great in USAF silver :)
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I love 1950s aviation, Empty Handed, so these are just great!
Cheers,
Logan
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Do like these Banshees. Can picture them in 1950s ADC service. With two J-47s or there abouts. Maybe F-89 wing tip rocket pods.
Extend service life with two dry F404 engines with avionics and armament upgrades. Doable in styrene if not 1/1 aluminum etc....
Appreciate you doing these profiles. Brings back one and only time I saw Banshees flying.
Phantom I --- Banshee --- looking same to me.
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Great one
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Thank you everyone. I too, love 50s aviation.
FYI, I made Phantom the family name so that they could keep the F-78 designator, don't want to knock too many F-jets out of existence! ;)
Can picture them in 1950s ADC service. With two J-47s or there abouts. Maybe F-89 wing tip rocket pods.
I like this plan alot. F-89 pods should be do-able on a F2H-3/4. 2 J47s wouldn't fit in the wings (J34s are anemic) but one should fit in the fuselage. Best of all, the wing-root shenanigans would be hidden by the pod! Just add a jetpipe in the tail and voila! I've got some time in 2 weeks so I'll have a go then.
Brings back one and only time I saw Banshees flying.
Very, very green right now! :)
The last profile for a lil while. I've experimented a bit with this one and am curious to know what people think?
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8100/8482390542_0d6fae2ba3_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8482390542/)
Goodyear P-72A USAAF 388th FS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8482390542/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Oh yeah!!!
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Thanks Greg!
The last profile for a lil while.
I lied.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8483124895_41dc54b3f9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8483124895/)
McDonnell F-78E Phantom (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8483124895/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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That USAAF Corsair is NICE!!!!!!!!!! Please do some more 8)
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Love the beautiful corsair!!!
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Nice Corsair....... great minds think alike. That's what I was working on too. Some more Corsairs.
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Thanks guys! More Corsairs are definitely on the to do list.
Meanwhile.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8484859796_cace7e32cb_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8484859796/)
McDonnell F-78E Phantom USAF ADC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8484859796/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Mmmmm.....
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Very nice....
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Cool! What type of engine powers the F-78E?
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Thanks!
Cool! What type of engine powers the F-78E?
Good question. I was going to go with finsrin's suggestion and go with a J47 but that doesn't really have enough thrust until the -25 and that's for the B-47E so I can see SAC saying "mine, all mine!". Since we're revising the fuselage anyway, I'd say squeeze a J48 in. With water-injection, it's good for 8000lb thrust, so that, in combination with the cleaned up wing may get those pods moving forwards!
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One J48 with a bifurcated nozzle as used on the Sea Hawk?
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^ The F-78E has a conventional jetpipe (exiting beneath the horizontal tail). The aft fuselage is extensively beefed up from that of a F2H.
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Keeping my oar in as it were.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8246/8536572221_da8025d3cf_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8536572221/)
Goodyear P-72B USAAF Night Escort (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8536572221/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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MUST BE BUILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8)
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Very very cool.......
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I was going to build my 1/72 SH F2G into an Marines AU-2 but this may win me over.
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Big Gimper - understand zactly where you are coming from.
It is sweet :)
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Thanks guys!
The Kartveli Ka-7SM-10 'Fumble-E' was a significant departure from it's forebears and very much a transitional step toward the Ka-11 'Fuddle'.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8093/8537359211_55d5f4f8d7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8537359211/)
Kartveli Ka-7SM 'Fumble E' VVS Blue 19 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8537359211/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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I'd say Russians liked the F-84 so much they built their own variant ;)
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Love them both.
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Looks great......
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Love the Fumble-E! So Alexander Kartvelishvili never left for France, eh? Was Mikhail Leontyevich Grigorashvili part of his Design Bureau by chance? ;)
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State Security will neither confirm or deny the members of the glorious Kartveli OKB! ;)
Thanks for the kind words guys. The Fumble-E was inspired by the MiG-19SM-12. I plan to do a more conventional Fumble-B/C at some point. As for the Fuddle, well if you cut the cockpit section off of a 1/72 Monogram Thud for some reason and have a spare Lightning cockpit section, turns out they are not a terrible fit.....
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Nice Fumble design, despite its code... (has the OKB fumbled to produce it?)
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Thanks Tophe. Don't know about the OKB but I definitely fumbled this one!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8526/8565994853_49c47b78ed_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8565994853/)
Kartveli Ka-7P 'Fumble C' VVS Yellow 23 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8565994853/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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^ Wow! :icon_surprised: Just needs some AA-1 Alkalis. :)
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The radar nose from the XF-91 would definitely look good here.
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The radar nose from the XF-91 would definitely look good here.
Very true but that would seriously honk off the design team working on the Ka-9 'Fondle'. ;)
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Last Kartveli for a while. The Soviets didn't use enough orange I feel......
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8505/8569362871_ab8253d617_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8569362871/)
Kartveli Ka-7PU 'Mumble-A' VVS Black T09 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8569362871/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Pleasant!
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Kartveli is top!
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I like it.....
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My 2 '46 entries:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8732687766_5851f43be5_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8732687766/)
Grumman P-65F (BTO) Tigercat FSAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8732687766/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/8736083073_c4378278d8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8736083073/)
Vickers Windsor B.II RAF Tiger Force 635 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8736083073/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
.... and I've decided to re-do some of my old Curtiss concepts, starting with the F16C-1......
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/8741635623_7759d1ba8f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8741635623/)
Curtiss F16C-1 USN VF-5A (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8741635623/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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I love your F16C-1. :-* Would a twin-boom derivative be possible?
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Me too!
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Each of this trio has "it" for me. :-*
Splendid fine job :)
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Thanks guys!
Here is the XF17C-1. I first doodled this two years ago while watching Sunshine on the TV (I had quickly lost interest). Definitely had the Victor and Sea Vixen in mind but I also wanted to replicate the 'engines forward' design philosophy of the Curtiss XA-46 Phantom in a fighter. Most probably impractical but that's the beauty of 50's prototypes. They don't have to be successful!
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7294/8744454430_b3317c14f5_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744454430/)
Curtiss XF17C-1 USN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744454430/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
The old XA-46 profile for reference. I won't be re-doing this but a Vietnam-era upgrade may be on the cards:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/8744477214_837eacc26f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744477214/)
Curtiss XA-46 Phantom Prototype (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744477214/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Tophe, I'll see what I can rustle up from the Curtiss files.
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Great! :-*
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A sketch of the twin-boom configuration proposed for the F16C .........
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/8744866662_518c6483e9_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744866662/)
Curtiss XF16C-1 Twin Boom (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8744866662/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Difficult to see with so light colouring...
Darker, I love it!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/8744866662_B_zps6c049d87.jpg)
As the XF15C was ordered in 1944, was the XF16C designed in 1945?
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([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/8744477214_837eacc26f_b.jpg[/url])
that V-tail looks very similar to the Republic NP-50 ;) I can see a jet exhaust nozzle there but where's the intake on this bird ?
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As the XF15C was ordered in 1944, was the XF16C designed in 1945?
Yes and in service say c1946.
I can see a jet exhaust nozzle there but where's the intake on this bird ?
The XA-46 was inspired by the Curtiss P-517. The intakes are where the radome terminates. 4 J35s.
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From the first Curtiss Phantom to the last.....
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8271/8752398198_1da8f94d19_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8752398198/)
QA-46G Phantom & GRF-3D Voodoo 'Have Cake' USAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8752398198/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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:o :)
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Love it! Now, ... no daydreaming on separation ;D
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Thanks! Here's another Curtiss redux, the F-87E Blackhawk......
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7456/8754570627_f7ce70e568_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8754570627/)
Curtiss F-87E Blackhawk USAF 332nd FIS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8754570627/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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......... a Curtiss TC-46J bombardier/navigator trainer of the JMSDF.......
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3832/8757565791_0ece245edd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8757565791/)
Curtiss TC-46J JMSDF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8757565791/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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......... a Curtiss TC-46J bombardier/navigator trainer of the JMSDF.......
([url]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3832/8757565791_0ece245edd_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8757565791/[/url])
Curtiss TC-46J JMSDF ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8757565791/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr
I like that trainer. Excellent work! Great addition of that radome to it.
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That is sweet! :)
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My 2 '46 entries:
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8732687766_5851f43be5_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8732687766/[/url])
Grumman P-65F (BTO) Tigercat FSAAF ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8732687766/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/8736083073_c4378278d8_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8736083073/[/url])
Vickers Windsor B.II RAF Tiger Force 635 Sqn ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8736083073/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr
.... and I've decided to re-do some of my old Curtiss concepts, starting with the F16C-1......
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7291/8741635623_7759d1ba8f_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8741635623/[/url])
Curtiss F16C-1 USN VF-5A ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8741635623/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr
Hi Empty,
Really liked your Windsor design, could you please do one as a Costal Command bomber?
Thanks and regards,
CPT Mike
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that JMSDF Curtiss TC-46J is just so neat ! Always loved the Commando for some strange reason -- going to do other vesions ??
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Thanks guys!
going to do other vesions ??
Well no I wasn't but as soon as I read what you said at least 2 ideas popped into my head so ...... yes, yes I am. ;) Although they'll be next week at this rate so please stay tuned.
could you please do one as a Costal Command bomber?
It is possible. Is that the WWII grey over white or the post-war white over grey? Or dark blue like the MDAP Neptunes?
This isn't a redux but it is a Curtiss I have wanted to do for a while......
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8540/8777598018_8c4dc1f59f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8777598018/)
Curtiss P-60E USAAF 529th FS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8777598018/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Another P-60 variant and a pre-war aircraft to come and then it'll be more C-46s/R5Cs (hint).
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that JMSDF Curtiss TC-46J is just so neat ! Always loved the Commando for some strange reason -- going to do other vesions ??
Yes - "for some strange reason". :) Gives me vision of building AWACS version. E2C dome or domes off Revell EC-121.
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Thanks guys!
going to do other vesions ??
Well no I wasn't but as soon as I read what you said at least 2 ideas popped into my head so ...... yes, yes I am. ;) Although they'll be next week at this rate so please stay tuned.
could you please do one as a Costal Command bomber?
It is possible. Is that the WWII grey over white or the post-war white over grey? Or dark blue like the MDAP Neptunes?
This isn't a redux but it is a Curtiss I have wanted to do for a while......
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7295/8758704961_a779b0b415_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8758704961/[/url])
Curtiss P-60E USAAF 529th FS ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8758704961/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr
Another P-60 variant and a pre-war aircraft to come and then it'll be more C-46s/R5Cs (hint).
The WW2 scheme would look very good on the Windsor...
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I always liked the look of the P-60 series -- especially the 'E, which looks great in your operational scheme. But how did I miss that Curtiss TC-46J trainer!! :-*
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Thanks! Here's another P-60.....
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7457/8777717922_cb8414774d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8777717922/)
Curtiss P-60A USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8777717922/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Hello,
Is it possible to upload your profiles somewhere else then Flickr? All your previous posts are gone...
Many thanks
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My profiles can be found at:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/)
Please tell me what you think!
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P-60 sweet :)
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Thanks finsrin!
Really hope nobody saw these two particular C-46s coming!
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5455/8804647448_f80782d775_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8804647448/)
Curtiss C-46A Alitalia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8804647448/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2886/8804646868_f82a4dc7a7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8804646868/)
Curtiss R5C-2L USN VX-6 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8804646868/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Love the R5C!! :-*
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Me too but the Alitalia C-46 is pretty sharp too! :)
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That R5C just plain LOOKS right!! Great job man 8)
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Thanks! Last Curtiss redux I promise (mwuhahahahaha!!!!!!). The Curtiss F12C-2 Harrier (essentially a single-seat XF12C-1).
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8400/8805400217_8f0ec5cdd8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8805400217/)
Curtiss F12C-2 Harrier USN VF-2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8805400217/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Nice! :-*
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That's a very nice one! Top! 8)
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Thanks guys!
A quickie.....
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5453/8847766172_dd261aa058_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8847766172/)
Fisher P-75C Eagle USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/8847766172/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Like the P-75C! Is this still Allison V-3420-powered?
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I like it!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/loganov/My%20Pictures/Doolittle%20Raiders%20Reunion%20-%20Wallpapers/Preview/DSC_0381.jpg) (http://comradeloganov.deviantart.com/art/Fisher-P-75-Eagle-USAF-Museum-297938012?q=gallery%3Acomradeloganov%2F36785692&qo=8)
Cheers,
Logan
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Oh yeah!
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Oh yeah!
and as it should be....
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Thanks guys!
Is this still Allison V-3420-powered?
I would imagine so.
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I just saw nighthunter's Boeing B-16 over on Shipbucket and just had to have a go at one myself!
http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4093&start=70 (http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=4093&start=70) (scroll down a bit)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2817/9053851966_fb4e9d6521_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9053851966/)
Boeing B-16D USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9053851966/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Although based on the Boeing 247, it really evokes an American Blenheim, doesn't it??
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Yes, and like a little B-17, funny...
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Geese,,, where is that 247 kit ?
Time to look it over in detail....
Is a great profile. B-16 --- like that designation :)
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Bit of a rough and ready repaint.....
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3750/9051625481_429228db34_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9051625481/)
Boeing B-16D Chinese Nationalist (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9051625481/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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That is excellent! There's a hint of B-17 there but it takes nothing away from the B247. Very nice :)
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Thanks!
Gloster's N.21/45 submission became the Grampus NF.1 in Royal Navy service. Powered by twin Rolls-Royce Crecys, it proved to be a valuable asset in the Soviet War.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3757/9251463112_04a6a89f93_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9251463112/)
Gloster Grampus NF.1A RN (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9251463112/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Love the Grampus! Meteor meets Hornet :)
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Now that is gorgeous! :-*
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Thanks guys!
Sturmvogel over on whatifmodelers has generously allowed me to play with his baby, the P-47Q Thunderbolt, so here it is:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7402/9464203263_cc86d59c58_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9464203263/)
Republic P-47Q Thunderbolt USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9464203263/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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So what exactly are we looking at here?
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Love your Gloster by the way!! 8)
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So what exactly are we looking at here?
A razorback Jug with minimum modifications to take a R-4360 and associated turbo-supercharging. A prelude to the XP-72. Unless it was a trick question. ;)
Love your Gloster by the way!!
Thank you kindly.
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Thanks..and no, it wasn't a trick question. ;)
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Next up is what would have been my entry into the Floaty GB had I gotten round to it......
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/9474648234_07cd5fabd4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9474648234/)
Beriev Be-10N Mallow AVMF Yellow 19 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9474648234/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
To have a closer view of the Beriev, click on the pic above to go to Flickr, then right click to choose a size. I recommend one of the larger ones!
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Nice.
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Thanks!
Here's a quick P-47Q repaint:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7378/9472982007_b30c7df14b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9472982007/)
Republic P-47Q Thunderbolt USAAF 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9472982007/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5501/9513719868_3cd521959b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9513719868/)
Avro Canada C-101 North Star RCAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9513719868/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/9513880644_32ae7655dd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9513880644/)
Avro Tudor C.4A RNZAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9513880644/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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:)
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Next up is what would have been my entry into the Floaty GB had I gotten round to it......
([url]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/9474648234_07cd5fabd4_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9474648234/[/url])
Beriev Be-10N Mallow AVMF Yellow 19 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9474648234/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr
To have a closer view of the Beriev, click on the pic above to go to Flickr, then right click to choose a size. I recommend one of the larger ones!
Nice Beriev! Is there some P5M Marlin in there somewhere? ??? Also, is the tail gun position looks it might have some Tupolev "Bear heritage. If these are in there, you did an outstanding job at blending them together with the "Mallow" air frame :D
Regards,
CPT Mike
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Thanks!
As far as I know, the tail gun is standard on the Be-10. The nose is that of the real Be-10N missile carrier proposal, of which I had a partial profile. I tried to integrate it into the Be-10 line art I had as best I could (I think the nose comes out a lil short but hey). A couple of artistic impressions of the Be-10N can be seen below:
http://sergib.agava.ru/russia/beriev/be/10/n/img/be10n_1.jpg (http://sergib.agava.ru/russia/beriev/be/10/n/img/be10n_1.jpg)
http://sergib.agava.ru/russia/beriev/be/10/n/img/be10n_2.jpg (http://sergib.agava.ru/russia/beriev/be/10/n/img/be10n_2.jpg)
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What a cool beast! :)
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Thanks!
Here's a concept I've been playing with for a JT4D-3 engined F-105:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7420/9554852202_2c0186d4f7_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9554852202/)
Republic F-105 P&W JT4D Dual-Flow Turbojet (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9554852202/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Info on the JT4D here:
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959%20-%202803.html?search=jt4d (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959%20-%202803.html?search=jt4d)
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959%20-%202806.html?search=jt4d (http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1959/1959%20-%202806.html?search=jt4d)
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Looking good! :-*
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Wow!!! Love it!!!
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Now that's a different way of fitting the fanned version of the J75.
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Thanks guys!
A quick one:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/9799755423_07b69c0360_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9799755423/)
General Motors F2M-2 Wildcat USN Atlantic (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9799755423/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Different...I like! :)
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That's definitely a "should have" been!!! Nice job man 8)
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That's definitely a "should have" been!!! Nice job man 8)
I concur with what Mike posted. Could not have said it any better in my own words so quotes it is :)
Definitely something that should have been done for the Wildcat and the Hellcat too.
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Nice profile, thanks! :-*
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Sweet profile, I just cant help but imagine those nice clean lines being dragged through the sky by a RR Merlin
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Very nice! A naval fighter for those 'pocket carriers' that Bearcats can't fly off of :)
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Thanks guys!
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During the 1950s, US paranoia regarding the perceived Soviet threat reached fever pitch. To combat the Soviet Union's overwhelming numerical superiority, the US military elected to utilise not only it's own considerable production capacity to the fullest but also that of it's allies. One of the initiatives that stemmed from this was the 'Double Century' series of tactical fighters which used the '200' designator series to free the 100s for indigenous designs.
The Supermarine Swift FR.5 had impressed many during various NATO photo-recce exercises. This interest was heightened further when Supermarine announced the FR.9 variant. It's slim-line, area-ruled fuselage and uprated Rolls-Royce Avon promised supersonic performance at low level. The US made an initial order for 205 as the Supermarine RF-201A Swift. Since the RAF was far more enamoured with the P.1083 Hunter, this offered no problems in Supermarine's production scheduling.
It was planned that the RF-201s would supplement and eventually replace the RF-84F Thunderflash in both US and NATO service, in turn freeing up more expensive F-101 Voodoo airframes for the important tactical bomber role. Used by several NATO air arms as well as the USAFE and ANG, with production eventually totalling 335 aircraft, the Swift gave sterling service for many years.
While nominally obsolete by retirement from US service in 1969, the Swifts had been retained to provide a most useful recce capability in the European Theatre as the Vietnam War drew in ever larger numbers of reconnaissance assets.
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2876/10349421106_220dbf9f45_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10349421106/)
Supermarine RF-201A Swift 184th TRS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10349421106/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Oh yeah!!!
Can't wait to see one in SEA Scheme for Vietnam...hint, hint! ;)
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Incredibly fast and dirty (plane and profile)!
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7406/10351815305_39782985bc_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10351815305/)
Supermarine RF-201B Swift SEAC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10351815305/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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:)
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Ta!
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5516/10733495203_f4ff1213d6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10733495203/)
CAC CA-10 Murungal RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10733495203/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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That looks nice in that scheme. A P-43 Lancer probably would, too. I know they used a couple of them in a different scheme.
(http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/778/pics/81_1.jpg)
Cheers,
Logan
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Nice CA-10!
To know what was the 'Real' CA-10, I checked with Google and found only Wirraways... (http://www.picsearch.com/CAC-CA-10-Wirraway-pictures.html (http://www.picsearch.com/CAC-CA-10-Wirraway-pictures.html))
but with a nice unknown single-seat derivative: the CA-28 Ceres (http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austcl/VH-CEB.html (http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austcl/VH-CEB.html)), thanks for having made me search!
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Very nice indeed! :)
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Thank you kindly.
Logan, I have a real soft spot for the Lancer. I did a couple 2 years ago, I may have to revisit it sometime. The recce variant you have there is making me think of a PR Blue one. A service ceiling of nearly 36000ft isn't bad all things considered.
Tophe, sorry I should have pointed out that the profile stemmed from an interesting discussion about CAC license building something other than the North American NA-16. Both elmayerle and Logan suggested the Seversky P-35 and I couldn't resist. The discussion can be found here:
http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=3721.0 (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=3721.0)
So my CAC-10 'Murungal' (the aboriginal word for Thunder I hope) is a license built P-35/AT-12 hybrid with a few tweaks such as larger wheels for improved rough field performance.
The CAC-10 Wirraway was apparently a dive-bombing variant, so maybe the Murungal could use it's bulky landing gear as a form of airbrake?
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CA-10 is a class act in that scheme :)
Looks like it should be in a movie 8)
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The CAC-10 Wirraway was apparently a dive-bombing variant, so maybe the Murungal could use it's bulky landing gear as a form of airbrake?
Those big front doors on the main landing gear would likely do well as air brakes. I could see a variant based on the float-equipped Seversky's as a scout aircraft for the RAN, too. Beautiful job and I can't wait to see how this design evolves in Asutralia; whether it stays a comparatively small fighter like the P-35/XP-41/P-43 series (or the seimilar series that starts with the Re.2000 in Italy) or grows like the P-47 and its developments
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I love the Seversky line and your CA-10 Murungal is fabulous!
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Thanks all!
OK, couldn't resist a continuation of the CAC/Seversky concept.
If we assume that CAC continue to develop their aircraft roughly as historical but with the P-35 starting point rather than the NA-16 and that after initial set-up they receive no further support from Seversky/Republic (say they are much too busy getting the P-47 out the door), then the ultimate Australian interpretation of the Seversky concept would surely be.......
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7360/10765111784_ffcf867a85_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10765111784/)
CAC CA-15 Kangaroo RAAF 76 Sqn (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10765111784/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(Reggiane Re.2003 meets the initial (R-2800) CA-15.....)
Any good?
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:)
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Now, THAT is most gorgeous. Would they also look, later, at a Centaurus-powered version with a five-bladed prop?
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Thanks guys!
a Centaurus-powered version with a five-bladed prop
Interesting! I can certainly look into that!
A brief diversion into P-43 Lancers if I may......
In 1942, Paraguay, owing to it's significant German community, elected to join the Axis. In response, a number of South American countries joined the Allies, including Bolivia, thus plunging the continent into war.
The FAB received mostly second-line equipment from the US but used it to good effect. In particular, the Republic P-43A Lancer would prove a very useful combatant. More than a match for Paraguay's outdated Arados and Heinkels, the "Lanzar" could even take on a Bf-109 in the right hands.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5513/10775198943_3caef55c7b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10775198943/)
Republic P-43A Lancer FAB (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10775198943/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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The P-43 is top!
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Thanks!
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7427/10780057496_8dce99c6a4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10780057496/)
CAC CA-15 Kangaroo Centaurus Testbed RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10780057496/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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Beautiful malcolm-hooded Lancer and I loved the Centaurus test-bed; I could se the latter leading to a production version.
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Thanks!
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7297/10827291894_2ceef956fd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10827291894/)
Republic P-43A Lancer RAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10827291894/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/10827550406_72b427519d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10827550406/)
Republic P-43A Lancer VVS (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10827550406/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
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(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3767/10829902214_48b2ef59e4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10829902214/)
Republic P-43A Lancer IDF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10829902214/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
Inspired by: http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3961 (http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3961)
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The kangaroo is excellent!
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Yes, the Kangaroo Centaurus test-bed is gorgeous! Maybe later in the programme CAC stretched the rear fuselage?
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Belated congratulations for the bubble-top CA-15! :)
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Thanks!
apophenia, I mocked up an aft fuselage stretch and didn't care for it. The stretch may make them better proportioned but they lose that Seversky touch I strived for. Sorry.
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Too true EH. I found the same effect playing with the P-35. The balance is there but, as you say, it loses some of that Seversky feel.
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Here's a quick mini profile. I saw over on Shipbucket (lots of gems over there) a submersible aircraft carrier with an "October class dive bomber" that instantly put in mind a slimline P-47. So......
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5482/10868972583_51c3d973b6_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10868972583/)
Republic XP-49 Gale USAAF (http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10868972583/#) by mtpalmer1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/), on Flickr
I envision it as a low-cost lightweight-ish fighter in the vein of a XP-48/57/64/66 but utilising as many P-47 components (wings and empennage) as possible. Either a high-end R-1820 like the Curtiss SC-1 or a R-2000 (both similar outputs). Went with the name Gale as the end result is not hugely unlike a Ki-84 Hayate.
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Here's a quick mini profile. I saw over on Shipbucket (lots of gems over there) a submersible aircraft carrier with an "October class dive bomber" that instantly put in mind a slimline P-47. So......
([url]http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5482/10868972583_51c3d973b6_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10868972583/[/url])
Republic XP-49 Gale USAAF ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/10868972583/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr
I envision it as a low-cost lightweight-ish fighter in the vein of a XP-48/57/64/66 but utilising as many P-47 components (wings and empennage) as possible. Either a high-end R-1820 like the Curtiss SC-1 or a R-2000 (both similar outputs). Went with the name Gale as the end result is not hugely unlike a Ki-84 Hayate.
Mike:
Thanks for visualizing what a P-47would look like without the super changer intakes.
I hope to translate this into plastic one day.
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A quick one:
([url]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/9799755423_07b69c0360_b.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9799755423/[/url])
General Motors F2M-2 Wildcat USN Atlantic ([url]http://www.flickr.com/photos/80037838@N03/9799755423/#[/url]) by mtpalmer1 ([url]http://www.flickr.com/people/80037838@N03/[/url]), on Flickr
I think I must've been elbow deep in V-507 layers when you posted this, because I don't remember it at all and I think this is absolutely lovely. Fantastic profile! I love the scheme and I love the Wildcat, so I think this is great.
I was fortunate enough to see Kermit Weeks' lovely FM-2 in this scheme last week. It's a beautiful plane in fantastic condition. If I recall, this is basically what the Wildcats that participated in the capture of the famous U-505 looked like.
Grumman FM-2 Demonstration Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTdbGRJ6URU#ws)
Cheers,
Logan
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Love the slimline P-47