Author Topic: Westland Wyvern - The Mid-Engined P10 Concept (Read 5550 times)

kitnut617 · « **on:** May 05, 2020, 11:39:11 PM »

Been building this over the last few weeks on the What-If forum and I've almost finished it. Just needs a few little bits put on and the decals.

apophenia · « **Reply #1 on:** May 06, 2020, 01:52:02 AM »

Wow! Wonderful job on the P.10 Robert! Makes a nice companion to the Eagle-powered Wyvern TF.Mk.I

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #2 on:** May 06, 2020, 03:00:23 AM »

Robomog · « **Reply #3 on:** May 06, 2020, 03:54:02 AM »

Made a nice job of that dude

Mog
>^-.-^<

kitnut617 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 06, 2020, 05:24:13 AM »

Thanks guys, the idea is this was the version that was chosen to be the Wyvern. The starting point was a CMR TF.1

kitnut617 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 06, 2020, 05:25:49 AM »

This shows what modifications I did to the fuselage, otherwise it was built as a TF.1 would be.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 06, 2020, 05:30:41 AM »

This drawing appeared in the Wyvern thread over on SPF yesterday/today. I had used the 3-View in the BSP book, Fighters & Bombers 1939-1950 as a reference and use Mk.1 eyeball to make the adjustments, but after seeing this drawing I measured the length of the model and found I had nailed it just about right for length (I am 1/128th of an inch out)

ChernayaAkula · « **Reply #7 on:** May 06, 2020, 06:17:15 AM »

Very cool!

Extra "

" for the in-flight pose.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #8 on:** May 06, 2020, 07:12:35 AM »

BZ Robert. Nice looking build. Suez campaign stripes are a favorite of mine.

Frank3k · « **Reply #9 on:** May 06, 2020, 07:35:34 AM »

That came out great - if anything, it looks more aggressive than the original. Is that a resin kit? Even more impressive surgery.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 06, 2020, 07:58:04 AM »

Thanks guys ---

Frank, Yep! it's the resin CMR kit.

elmayerle · « **Reply #11 on:** May 06, 2020, 09:13:03 AM »

Very nicely done and beautifully finished.

FAAMAN · « **Reply #12 on:** May 06, 2020, 12:15:34 PM »

This is brilliantly done, love the Suez stripes, any Wyvern is a good Wyvern

finsrin · « **Reply #13 on:** May 06, 2020, 03:30:14 PM »

Masterful transition to mid-engine forward cockpit. Blue with stripes and gear up display are perfect.

PlasticMasticator · « **Reply #14 on:** May 06, 2020, 04:26:37 PM »

Beautiful. Wyvern a top-fave of mine and this concept does not damage the looks in any way.

I made the Trumpy 1/48 kit many moons ago and with supplied gears etc the contra-prop works. The look on my son's face when I showed it to him is etched in my memory..."Does not compute!!"

kitnut617 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 06, 2020, 08:59:53 PM »

Thanks very much everyone.

Ever since I saw the pictures and 3-Views in Tony Butler's BSP, Fighters and Bombers 1935-1950 I've wanted to build a model of it. CMR certainly helped out on that score when they released the TF.1 kit, I bought three of them on the spot. One of the leftover kits will be made OOB, and one will be made into the RR Clyde powered version, they all had the same tail group.

This has just been the right time to build the first one. I followed this 3-View of it.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 06, 2020, 09:08:09 PM »

Quote from: PlasticMasticator on May 06, 2020, 04:26:37 PM

I made the Trumpy 1/48 kit many moons ago and with supplied gears etc the contra-prop works.

I've got the Trumpeter 1/48 kit too, not my usual scale so you can blame Jeff for that (Mr Fontaine) as I had borrowed the nose cowling from his kit because I wanted some handed propellers, I ended up buying the kit after I gave back Jeff's bit & pieces. And just a couple of days ago I got the 1/72 kit too (waiting for it to arrive now), mainly for the props but it will depend if the kit is as good as the 1/48 kit.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 08, 2020, 12:15:00 AM »

I was able to use 'all' of the cockpit tub that comes with the kit, all I had to do was angle up the deck behind seat to match the top slope of the forward fuselage, and apart from making the new cockpit opening, I had to do quite a bit of thinning of the very thick resin in said forward fuselage.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 08, 2020, 12:17:54 AM »

I had removed the original cockpit opening and the hump it's in, I then found that about half a Supermarine Attacker rear fuselage practically fit right in the space without much sanding to blend it in.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 10, 2020, 07:53:05 AM »

Today I thought I would have a go at making a very large FFAR type RP in 1/72 to mount on the Wyvern. The reference books say it's code name was Red Angel and was tested on a Wyvern. It was a 11.25" diameter, 1000lb monster. I scanned and scaled a drawing of it which is in the BSP, Hypersonics, Ramjets & Missiles book.

Here's how it turned out, all I have to do now is make another one.

FAAMAN · « **Reply #20 on:** May 10, 2020, 05:36:19 PM »

You've certainly got a big rocket for your Wyvern

apophenia · « **Reply #21 on:** May 11, 2020, 08:07:33 AM »

Quote from: kitnut617 on May 08, 2020, 12:17:54 AM

I had removed the original cockpit opening and the hump it's in, I then found that about half a Supermarine Attacker rear fuselage practically fit right in the space without much sanding to blend it in.

You've gotta love those little patches of serendipity

kitnut617 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 11, 2020, 09:39:44 PM »

Thanks FAAMAN

Yup! you're right Stephen, it's like when I was building my Alternative Harrier Replacement model, I found that a Harrier cockpit and surrounding fuselage, fits perfectly into a F-18 gun bay (if it's cut right

) This needed practically no sanding at all, or filler.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 11, 2020, 09:43:33 PM »

I painted the Red Angel

kitnut617 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 20, 2020, 12:05:07 AM »

This is progressing --- s-l-o-w-l-y -------

kitnut617 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 20, 2020, 12:06:40 AM »

Few more --

Jeffry Fontaine · « **Reply #26 on:** May 20, 2020, 12:51:12 AM »

From what I can see from your shared images on this subject it looks like the only thing left is painting the canopy framing. Overall a rather menacing Wyvern with the colours and markings you have chosen.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 20, 2020, 01:04:14 AM »

That's about right Jeff, the canopy is not glued on just yet, I have to paint a couple of things on the instrument panel first, then I can glue the canopy on and paint it up. The other thing is there's some more decals going on, squadron codes and the underwing serial numbers. Then I can call it done. Last night I was re-reading the 4+ Publications bookazine on the Wyvern and realized this model should have a target ranging radar. This was an AS-65/APG-5 and installed in leu of the port outer Hispano cannon.

GTX_Admin · « **Reply #28 on:** May 20, 2020, 02:54:05 AM »

Looking good.

The Big Gimper · « **Reply #29 on:** May 20, 2020, 03:10:58 AM »

I do really like the mid-engine designs. Great job!

finsrin · « **Reply #30 on:** May 20, 2020, 03:36:25 AM »

Really captures post war ultimate generation prop planes aura. Cool

kitnut617 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 20, 2020, 04:18:45 AM »

Thanks Greg, Carl, Bill.

apophenia · « **Reply #32 on:** May 20, 2020, 10:25:27 AM »

Very nice

Do you know the size of that AN/APG-5, Robert? Since it was used as a ranging radar on the F-85A-5, it must be fairly small. (I'm wondering if the outboard portside cannon 'stub' could just be painted 'radome' colour?)

kitnut617 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 20, 2020, 09:26:42 PM »

Here's a good photo of it Stephen, it looks like a Spitfire cannon fairing with the front end shortened a bit. The 4+ bookazine says it was painted grey. I think the actual radar part of it is the dome on the fairing end.

kitnut617 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 20, 2020, 09:42:03 PM »

Thinking up a backstory and timeline for it, I'll re-designate it as a SF.4. The story will explain why ---

I also think I might build another one, this time with a turboprop --- mid-engined of course, maybe with a Tyne

Came to this while thinking up the backstory.

While building the model I noticed something, when standing in front of the TF-1 aircraft and looking at the prop, the front propeller turns clockwise and the rear propeller counter-clockwise. But all the turbo-prop powered Wyverns have them turning opposite to that, interesting ---- I've read that the direction of the front prop's rotation on a contra-prop, is the direction the engine would turn a single prop if one was installed. So the Python would be a good choice as an alternative engine on a B-29/B-50 or something like that.

apophenia · « **Reply #35 on:** May 21, 2020, 04:51:29 AM »

Quote from: kitnut617 on May 20, 2020, 09:26:42 PM

Here's a good photo of it Stephen, it looks like a Spitfire cannon fairing with the front end shortened a bit. The 4+ bookazine says it was painted grey. I think the actual radar part of it is the dome on the fairing end.

Thanks for that. Looks very 'do-able'

Is the Tyne for a later-production variant? (The RB.109 didn't run until 1955 with deliveries begun in 1959.)

Earlier alternatives might be a whif Proteus that didn't suck (3,320 shp) or the Napier Eland (N.El.4 putting out 3,765 hp). Or, how about a pair of Darts (with shaft passing either side of the cockpit)?

kitnut617 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 21, 2020, 07:02:39 AM »

Quote from: apophenia on May 21, 2020, 04:51:29 AM

Quote from: kitnut617 on May 20, 2020, 09:26:42 PM
Here's a good photo of it Stephen, it looks like a Spitfire cannon fairing with the front end shortened a bit. The 4+ bookazine says it was painted grey. I think the actual radar part of it is the dome on the fairing end.

Thanks for that. Looks very 'do-able'

Is the Tyne for a later-production variant? (The RB.109 didn't run until 1955 with deliveries begun in 1959.)

Earlier alternatives might be a whif Proteus that didn't suck (3,320 shp) or the Napier Eland (N.El.4 putting out 3,765 hp). Or, how about a pair of Darts (with shaft passing either side of the cockpit)?

Well, the model I've built is 1956 time line, my story is the technical challenges that the turbines had took longer to resolve so the piston engines were used for a bit longer than what they did. The model would be of the 'last of the line' scenareo and the next variant was a turbo-prop, the Python. Thinking that would be the S.5 and then there would be the S.6, Rolls Royce powered. First with the Clyde but then that was not continued with because RR went onto the Tyne. Reading the BSP book, it says RR/Westland were expecting about 4500hp for a developed Eagle, and the Python was to be around 5000hp, so a Tyne at around 7000hp would be about what I'm thinking of. Some big paddle blade contra-props for that though, maybe square tipped.

apophenia · « **Reply #37 on:** May 22, 2020, 10:13:39 AM »

Sounds excellent. I'm especially looking forward to seeing what you do with those paddle props

kitnut617 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 22, 2020, 09:51:35 PM »

Well, some time ago I bought a bunch of Tradewind props from Combat Models, I think I'll use one of those on it, with revised diameter though

I had just been answering a query on the What-If forum on Hawker Typhoons, a photo I posted of a Typhoon suddenly glared at me when I noticed the cannon fairings, they look just like that radar aerial fairing --- at least the rear half of the fairing does.


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Author Topic: Westland Wyvern - The Mid-Engined P10 Concept (Read 5550 times)