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Title: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2011, 04:00:17 AM
Hi folks,

Usual deal - a thread for your Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration.

To begin with, let's have some inspiration:

(http://i29.tinypic.com/2ywyaup.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2011, 04:03:13 AM
...and now an idea:  single Seat F-14 anyone?

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/0e8131e6.gif)

regards,

Greg

Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 30, 2011, 04:06:14 AM
Russianized, Tomcatski (incorporating the AL-31FPs, canards and IRST ball):

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/SauragnmonsF-14ski.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Maverick on December 30, 2011, 07:33:22 AM
Really evocative shot especially with the verse.

I did a few of the F-14 (46 in total) with some including two Bomb/Strike Cat variants and a Recce Cat.  I also tagged Mk 82s on an F-14A for the Corps, added Genies for a bunch of AF birds and Brit weapons for the RAF & RN.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 30, 2011, 09:57:16 AM
Fleet ASATCAP F-14 Tomcat armed with the ASM-135 ASAT.  I have a couple of the ASAT shapes from the very expensive Hasegawa F-15 Eagle kit just for such a whim.  In 1/72nd scale the ASAT shape was available in one of the ESCI F-15 kits.  The ASAT was also available in 1/32nd scale - found in the Revell F-15 Eagle and Strike Eagle boxes and some company offered it with one of their 1/144th scale F-15 kits but I do not recall the company/brand name. 
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Maverick on December 30, 2011, 11:01:16 AM
Jeff, I think the 144th were Dragon.  I'd picked up a couple for the kids and noticed the weapon in amongst it all.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Stargazer2006 on January 04, 2012, 07:59:13 AM
Here is the Grumman YF-33A Bobcat:

(http://aviadesign.online.fr/images/grumman-bobcat2.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 08, 2012, 01:20:12 PM
Well, the Osprey Air Combat on the F-14 has a model of one in Thunderbirds markings from the final effort to sell it to the USAF.  I do think I now understand the plumbing enough to properly locate a flying boom receptacle for USAF variants and I'm scheming possibilities there (and, contrawise, how to do the probe and drogue fit on a navalized F-15).
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 19, 2012, 04:36:17 AM
Hints at what could have been:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/USAFTomcat.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/USMCTomcat.jpg)

Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on February 19, 2012, 06:44:24 AM
The second one would've likely brought us the Bombcat much, much earlier.  The first one could be either the final, minimum-change proposal for NORAD use or the F-14IMI proposal (USAF Interceptors has some most useful photos of a model of this one).
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Maverick on February 19, 2012, 07:22:03 AM
Did quite a few Tomcat profiles back in the day including Marine & Air Force variants.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on February 19, 2012, 12:04:56 PM
Some kinda-whiffy armament options (trials and mock-ups) for the Tomcat:

ACIMD (proposed AIM-54 replacement)

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1056/4cc75d082653132ll6.jpg)

AGM-84 Harpoon (with Mk 84 in the tunnel)

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8228/77b21df13922737xe3.jpg)

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8900/dca63b7a3594663ci6.jpg)

Dual AIM-9 Sidewinder

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/9633/834b3de53055600hw7.jpg)

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2903/881260d42250484id9.jpg)

AM-88 HARM

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/96/33268ae83128022pe8.jpg)

Rockeye

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/1421/798872da1092310yg0.jpg)

Mk 82

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8492/0131e5622408050ec3.jpg)

Dual AIM-120 AMRAAM

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5412/b5b0b2dc3577169pt7.jpg)

And the pièce de résistance, the AGM-53A Condor

(http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/6562/dfe0fd2b1944796wo2.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 19, 2012, 12:53:37 PM
Wot!  No mention of HAWK SAM???

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/new%20one/F14-HAWK.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on February 19, 2012, 12:54:02 PM
How about a FAA Tomcat FGR.2 and an Aeronavale Tomcat II with the TF30s replaced by RR/Allison/SNECMA Spey 300s (afterburning TF41s with M53-style exhaust nozzles) and other upgrades.  There has to be at least one testbed/prototype in "raspberry ripple" with British marking on one side and French markings on the other.  Armament upgrades could include various missiles in service with those air arms.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 19, 2012, 12:57:14 PM
Mmmm....Aeronavale F-14
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on February 19, 2012, 01:12:35 PM
A ramjet-powered version of the Super 530D for AIM-54-range work?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on February 19, 2012, 01:15:35 PM
Wot!  No mention of HAWK SAM???

I'm thinking of a combination between either F-14 and warship armed with their respective adopted HAWK or F-14 armed with the AIM-97 Seekbat and existing AAW warships.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on February 19, 2012, 01:24:23 PM
For defending a suitable area, F-14's operating their own armament (AIM-54 or replacement(s) thereof) as well as taking over guidance of ground-launched Nike-Phoenix missiles.  The Nike-Phoenix was a proposed major upgrade and overhaul of the Nike-Hercules.  Of course, if one had a suitable airborne platform, one could combine AEW and AI radars with long-range AAMs to add another layer to the defense.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on February 19, 2012, 01:27:19 PM
A ramjet-powered version of the Super 530D for AIM-54-range work?
More like one with an integral rocket/ramjet set-up.  The Russian missile designers are good with those and the ASMP was a good attempt for an AGM.  Vought proved it out in the USA with the ALVRJ but never managed to get any production orders for derivatives.  FWIW, the Hughes competitor with Vought for that R&D contract used a modified AIM-54 airframe.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on February 20, 2012, 01:22:20 PM
Wot!  No mention of HAWK SAM???


I'm thinking of a combination between either F-14 and warship armed with their respective adopted HAWK or F-14 armed with the AIM-97 Seekbat and existing AAW warships.


And with that in mind, I pasted these together for the "adopted HAWK" scenario.

(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/Parallel%20World%20and%20What-if/PU-DDH-IroquoisClass_withNavalHAWK-0-AU.jpg)
(http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/Parallel%20World%20and%20What-if/PU-CVL-ReprisalClass-0-AU.jpg)

I wonder who else (other than Iran) might get the F-14, even if it's some stripped-down version, and then end up looking for an alternative to the Phoenix missile (perhaps because the imported F-14 is of a stripped-down version that does not support the missile)......
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 20, 2012, 03:23:10 PM
A JASDF one would be cool!
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Maverick on February 20, 2012, 09:39:32 PM
Did a profile of a plain Jane F-14A in JASDF markings back in 08.

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on February 21, 2012, 11:42:02 AM
A JASDF one would be cool!

Did a profile of a plain Jane F-14A in JASDF markings back in 08.


I actually remember seeing a Taiwanese news article speculating on a rumour that Japan was planning to acquire a small aircraft carrier "optimised for air defense" with 32 F-14As for carrier air wing and- that's where it gets wild- laser CIWS!

Now it's rumours and speculations from Taiwanese media, so there's no way for me to ascertain the amount of truth in it.

================================================

For something wilder, wait until you check out this page (http://bbs.tiexue.net/post_1909816_1.html)!

Lots of what-if opportunities Carter and Reagan's beautiful friendship with the PRC has: F-14A/B, F-16A, E-3 or Y-10 equipped with Westinghouse AWACS system, all clad in PLAAF colours.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on March 31, 2012, 08:23:50 AM
Brought to you by xinhui at china-defense.com forum (http://www.china-defense.com/smf/index.php)

Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 31, 2012, 09:27:33 PM
Oh that is interesting!!
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 01, 2012, 03:08:25 AM
I wonder if they changed the radar altogether or just modified it or otherwise have another form of guidance...or maybe it got no further then a fit-up?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 02, 2012, 10:26:04 AM
I'm thinking that it might be possible to alter the software to work with the AA-10 missile's radar.  That could offer some interesting retrofit possibilities.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 24, 2012, 05:41:43 AM
^^^^^
Love this design :-*
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on July 31, 2012, 08:39:32 AM
Anyone interested in trying his/her hands at a Tomcat- or Tomcat-21-based counterpart to the Super Hornet or Silent Eagle?  ;)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Maverick on July 31, 2012, 08:52:55 AM
I've done a number of developed Tomcats over the years, including these:

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USN/F-1402.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USN/F-1403.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USMC/F-1406.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USMC/F-1408.jpg)

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on July 31, 2012, 11:00:24 AM
John, I always really like those different chin sensor versions you made. I still think they are some of the better and more subtle Tomcat whifs out there  :)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 31, 2012, 06:18:17 PM
Anyone interested in trying his/her hands at a Tomcat- or Tomcat-21-based counterpart to the Super Hornet or Silent Eagle?  ;)

Hmmm...I like the idea of a stealth F-14.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Maverick on July 31, 2012, 07:54:27 PM
Thanks for that Ben.

Not forgetting the 'normal' Tomcats in less than normal markings too:

(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USAF/F-1405.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20USAF/F-1404.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Australasia/F-1427.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Australasia/F-1426.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/Maverick65au/Post%20War%20Australasia/F-1423.jpg)

Regards,

John
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 05, 2012, 04:14:48 AM
was there also not a model of the Tomcat with a single vertical tail fin too?


Yes indeed:

(http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-f14a-303b.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 05, 2012, 04:15:59 AM
Another photo of fixed wing proposal:

(http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-303-fl.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on August 05, 2012, 04:28:17 AM
Mmmm....Aeronavale F-14


Wonder how many of the Matra Mica could be mounted on the F-14FN? 

([url]http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww37/jmsfbip/Grumman-F112-HellcatII.jpg[/url])


Now I am wondering where I can obtain a bomb pod shape from a 1/144th scale B-58 Hustler just to see if that would work...
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 08, 2012, 09:55:36 AM
was there also not a model of the Tomcat with a single vertical tail fin too?


Yes indeed:

([url]http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-f14a-303b.jpg[/url])

I've been thinking of trying a production version in 1/72 using a spare 1/48 vertical tail and extended ventral fins rather than the folding ventrals on this mockup.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 08, 2012, 05:30:08 PM
How about a super VTOL version with the TF-30s replaced with RR Pegasus engines each in 3 poster configuration?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 25, 2012, 05:19:01 AM
Always an odd scheme...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gxY-7PS6hZ8/UDQFhW6OH6I/AAAAAAAALkE/5NM3rOVgyLY/s1600/F-14A+US+NAVY+159831+CAMO.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on August 26, 2012, 01:00:48 PM
Anyone interested in trying his/her hands at a Tomcat- or Tomcat-21-based counterpart to the Super Hornet or Silent Eagle?  ;)
Let's see - replacing the existing TCS and IRST with a scaled-up version of the F-35's EOTS would be easy enough, use a 1/48 "SNIPER" pod on a 1/72 Tomcat.  Modify the nozzles along the lines of the LOAN nozzles and give them a short extension to resemble the AVEN nozzle tested on a F-16 would do for a start.  Follow that by replacing a bunch of the external scoops with ones worked into the inlets and add RCS deflector/flow straightener vanes to each inlet as used on the X-32 and you'd have a good start.  I'd definitely go with the frameless windscreen proposed for the Tomcat-21.  The most challenging part of modelling a Tomcat-21 would be the enlarged wings.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 20, 2012, 05:19:13 AM
What to do with your old F-14s...well the late Len Cormier proposed using some as space launchers:

(http://www.citizensinspace.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/f-14-lv2.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on October 20, 2012, 08:15:29 AM
Why does it need an enlarge on Sniper-XR? I thought I saw something somewhere about LockMart proposing to back-fit the EOTS into a Sniper-size pod... Tomcat-21 extensions, I'm thinking just use the -A glove vane leading-edge as a template with a straight-line from the tip back to the glove-edge, perhaps a Super Flanker-style mini-canard fitted there.

Also, I recall having read something somewhere about Grumman proposing a CFT-equipped variant for the IDF... anyone have anything on that, or ideas what it might look like?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 22, 2012, 12:57:57 PM
Why does it need an enlarge on Sniper-XR? I thought I saw something somewhere about LockMart proposing to back-fit the EOTS into a Sniper-size pod... Tomcat-21 extensions, I'm thinking just use the -A glove vane leading-edge as a template with a straight-line from the tip back to the glove-edge, perhaps a Super Flanker-style mini-canard fitted there.

Also, I recall having read something somewhere about Grumman proposing a CFT-equipped variant for the IDF... anyone have anything on that, or ideas what it might look like?
Well, likely they could as they make both.  I was thinking of using the scaleorama'd Sniper pod to get the full flexibility of the EOTS as it's installed on the JSF and that takes a bit more room than a 1/72 pod has.

As for CFTs, the only approach that seems workable would be the one pitched to the USAF as part of Grumman's IMI proposal.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Stargazer2006 on October 22, 2012, 03:26:55 PM
And another F-14 iteration which looks a bit like a heresy.

Heresy?!? That TSR.14 is FA-BU-LOUS!

But what happened to Maverick's postings? They all seem to have been deleted.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 22, 2012, 04:37:07 PM

But what happened to Maverick's postings? They all seem to have been deleted.


See here (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=2107.msg29275#msg29275)

Regards,

Greg

Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on December 10, 2012, 11:45:58 AM
Been looking through a lot of material that appeared during the run-up to the F-15 design award.  There's one design that appears to be a cross between a F-14 and the wings and forward fuselage/cockpit of a F-105.  That got me thinking, how about a VHAX design submitted by a Grumman/Republic team (call it "Long Island Aerospace") for a replacement for the RA/A-5.  I haven't done a physical match-up, but a F-105F/G cockpit  and forward fuselage mated to a F-14 center & rear fuselage and wing could be interesting.  *chuckle* Retain the dual refueling capability (probe and drogue as well as flying boom) and you might be about to sell it to the USAF, too.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on December 11, 2012, 05:23:09 PM
How about an Allison license built Spey 202 powered F-14A?  No more powerful than the TF-30 in the F-14A but I suspect a lot more reliable, fuel efficient and easier to fly as well as providing a level of commonality with the A-7E.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 11, 2012, 05:30:26 PM
Random idea:  F-14 with side-be-side seating ala F-111B or Su-33KUB:

(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/su33kub/su33kub-1.gif)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on December 12, 2012, 03:02:34 AM
How about an Allison license built Spey 202 powered F-14A?  No more powerful than the TF-30 in the F-14A but I suspect a lot more reliable, fuel efficient and easier to fly as well as providing a level of commonality with the A-7E.
Actually, I'd prefer the demonstrated performance improvement of an afterburning TF41 to a Spey 202.  back in 1967, Allison was demonstrating a reliable 27,000 lbt in afterburner from a TF41 and that was without a good nozzle on it.  Yeah, I know that the TF41 is a later model Spey but I think it works better here.  Call it a Spey 300 and fit it to FAA Tomcat FGR.2's; collaborate with SNECMA, too, and use a nozzle similar to that of the M53 and you have an engine for the Aeronavale's Tomcats.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 12, 2012, 12:10:30 PM
F-14 Strike [Tom-]Cat armed with 4 X AGM-69 SRAM-N (N=Naval version with ARM capability) 
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on December 12, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
How about an Allison license built Spey 202 powered F-14A?  No more powerful than the TF-30 in the F-14A but I suspect a lot more reliable, fuel efficient and easier to fly as well as providing a level of commonality with the A-7E.
Actually, I'd prefer the demonstrated performance improvement of an afterburning TF41 to a Spey 202.  back in 1967, Allison was demonstrating a reliable 27,000 lbt in afterburner from a TF41 and that was without a good nozzle on it.  Yeah, I know that the TF41 is a later model Spey but I think it works better here.  Call it a Spey 300 and fit it to FAA Tomcat FGR.2's; collaborate with SNECMA, too, and use a nozzle similar to that of the M53 and you have an engine for the Aeronavale's Tomcats.
An Allison Spey variant was the losing contender to the TF30 back in the 60's.  Looking at the service histories of the TF41/Spey vs the TF30 it is clear the wrong engine won.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on December 13, 2012, 02:18:35 AM
F-14 Strike [Tom-]Cat armed with 4 X AGM-69 SRAM-N (N=Naval version with ARM capability)
Using the aero-shape of the Phoenix pallets to carry them?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 13, 2012, 05:37:50 AM
F-14 Strike [Tom-]Cat armed with 4 X AGM-69 SRAM-N (N=Naval version with ARM capability)
Using the aero-shape of the Phoenix pallets to carry them?

Of course!  Should have included that in the original comment I suspect to keep things clear, eh?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on March 17, 2013, 01:31:03 AM
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/6/2/2239264.jpg)

IRIAF Splinter
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 17, 2013, 02:53:00 AM
Interesting
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on March 25, 2013, 01:29:02 PM
(http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-303-fl.jpg)


The fixed wing variant replaces USAF F-106s.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on March 25, 2013, 10:30:52 PM
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The Project sedjeel was a project done by Jahade khodkafie-e Niruye Havaie to replace the AIM-54A Phoenix, there are few rumors that Iran received the help of Israel to adapt the missile to the AWG-9 radar of Tomcat.

[Source (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18815.0.html)]

(http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18815.0;attach=187043;image)

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(http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=18815.0;attach=187047;image)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 14, 2013, 05:55:12 PM
What about boom refueling for a USAF F-14?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on May 15, 2013, 12:34:56 AM
What about boom refueling for a USAF F-14?
Assuming that you wanted to minimize the changes relative to the USN fuel system, the obvious location would be in the right side of the nose, just forward of the windscreen.  This would minimize the extra changes to plumb the boom receptacle into the existing refueling plumbing.  Done carefully, you might be able to retain probe and drogue capability.  I have been pondering this with an eye toward USAF variants.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 15, 2013, 02:45:46 AM
I wonder if they would feel comfortable with a boom receptacle right in front of the cockpit?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on May 15, 2013, 04:15:09 AM
I wonder if they would feel comfortable with a boom receptacle right in front of the cockpit?
F-105D/F/G had one in that location.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 15, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
Good point

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/F-105_Thunderchiefs_refuel.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on May 15, 2013, 04:55:16 PM
What a photo  :)
B&W has its place.  This photo is one of them.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: fightingirish on May 15, 2013, 11:23:11 PM
The YF-17 Cobra had one in that location right in front of the cockpit too. A quite cramped nose with radar, gun and boom receptacle.  ???
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 16, 2013, 02:41:52 AM
Well, I stand convinced...which is great for a plan I am hatching... ;)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on May 16, 2013, 07:18:44 AM
I wonder if they would feel comfortable with a boom receptacle right in front of the cockpit?
F-105D/F/G had one in that location.

Indeed it did.  ;D
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on May 16, 2013, 08:17:57 AM
::snicker:: I was thinking of that image, but didn't have the opportunity to go looking for it. :D
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Diamondback on May 16, 2013, 08:32:04 AM
*groans* That's almost as bad as some of the nose-art painted on KB-29 tankers in the early days...
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on May 16, 2013, 10:31:27 AM
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One Monogram 1:48 Tomcat was purchased to do up as a late model fixed wing Bombcat some time back.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on September 16, 2013, 03:21:40 AM
(http://www.murdoconline.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/iranian-tomcat-belly-landing.jpg)

(http://media.desura.com/cache/images/groups/1/3/2044/thumb_940x3000/376497_249369595196730_2054821858_n.jpg)

interesting radomes
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on September 16, 2013, 11:35:16 AM
(http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=191656&stc=1&d=1354237990)

(http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=191846&d=1354430379)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kerick on September 16, 2013, 11:56:14 AM

([url]http://media.desura.com/cache/images/groups/1/3/2044/thumb_940x3000/376497_249369595196730_2054821858_n.jpg[/url])

interesting radomes

Now that is a target rich environment!
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on December 13, 2013, 06:56:38 AM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img402/143/f14dfin004.jpg)

Gunship Gray  ???
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Talos on December 13, 2013, 10:12:42 AM
Though the drawing's still unfinished, how about the F-14 earlier in its development as the G-303D?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on December 14, 2013, 02:59:56 AM
As seen here:

(http://steeljawscribe.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/image/Grumman%20303-D-02%281%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on December 14, 2013, 03:09:45 AM
Not pretty.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 14, 2013, 03:14:02 AM
It certainly looks somewhat plain compared to the 'Real Tomcat'. I'm glad they developed it some.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on December 14, 2013, 03:16:35 AM
It looks like a twin tail scale-o-rama Tu-22M3 Backfire.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Talos on December 14, 2013, 04:12:03 AM
Not pretty.

Cheers,

Logan

It's very different from the final configuration and most of the preliminary ones, that's why I did it. I make no claims to its aesthetics.  ;)

I did add in the detailing from the final F-14, since it seemed appropriate.

It looks like a twin tail scale-o-rama Tu-22M3 Backfire.

Cheers,

Logan

Funny you should mention that. The thing I hate most is the stubby little tails. I'd much rather see it with an A-5/Tu-22-style single tail.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on December 14, 2013, 04:22:03 AM
Oh, I agree with both points.  I do think a large single tail would be the best, aesthetically.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on December 14, 2013, 06:50:31 AM
Funny you should mention that. The thing I hate most is the stubby little tails. I'd much rather see it with an A-5/Tu-22-style single tail.
Either that or two higher-aspect verticals, such as those that appeared on the oriignal A3J mockup
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: raafif on December 15, 2013, 02:32:44 AM
I think a single fin on the Tomcat is ugly, as shown below ....
A bigger fin may have looked ok.

Clearly ventral fins (that flip up for landing) were de-rigeur at that time.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 08, 2014, 02:17:15 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/17a671689c6ad1b30b607ca237aaf7b5/tumblr_mzj6ucRqLy1sb6iwko1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 08, 2014, 03:04:22 AM
Question:  What is the MiG in the top left corner shooting at??
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on February 08, 2014, 08:23:50 AM
Question:  What is the MiG in the top left corner shooting at??

A Good MiG shooting a Bad MiG that is in term after two Good MiGs?  ;D
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: jcf on February 08, 2014, 10:36:03 AM
Well, ya know sometimes a bloke gets really excited and ...

nobody's fault really, these things just happen.*







*not speaking from personal experience, mind.  :icon_fsm:
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 09, 2014, 02:49:41 AM

*not speaking from personal experience, mind.  :icon_fsm:

Sure... ::)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 09, 2014, 02:50:55 AM
Mind you, that F-14 really want to kill the MiG in front…2 missiles plus gun (and he is probably considering ramming as well)...
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on February 09, 2014, 08:09:22 AM
Mind you, that F-14 really want to kill the MiG in front…2 missiles plus gun (and he is probably considering ramming as well)...

Don't forget punching out and landing on the back of the MiG with magnetic boots and a really big sword  ;D
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on February 09, 2014, 08:50:25 AM
I think a single fin on the Tomcat is ugly, as shown below ....
A bigger fin may have looked ok.

Clearly ventral fins (that flip up for landing) were de-rigeur at that time.
I wonder if you could extend the fixed ventral fins farther forward and lower and avoid the folding aspect?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on April 20, 2014, 03:40:47 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ps6F4IkCW0Y/T6A5Y692v6I/AAAAAAAAAZM/Yjceik8h1RQ/s1600/76.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: trickyrich on January 08, 2015, 11:15:00 PM
I was wondering if there was a thread for the F-14.

The cat is one of my favorites (along with the F-111 am an old pig-fixed from way back) and I have long been wanting to do something with it, so.

Big movable wigs are really cool but they are a bit troublesome maintenance wise plus there is the penalty with the "wing carry-through box" and all the gear required to move them. So for me, ditch them and fit the best wing of that era, the F-15's. Still allow the wings to fold, fit the GE F-110s (or P&W F100's).....

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q722/trickyrich62/F-14MUltracat_zpse593008b.jpg)

or stretch the fuselage and add LEX........Long range fleet defense fighter

(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q722/trickyrich62/F-14SHypercat_zpsc33a208e.jpg)

I am so tempted to build the first one.......just so limited with time and other projects!
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 09, 2015, 02:12:59 AM
Cool
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on January 09, 2015, 02:52:55 AM
I was wondering if there was a thread for the F-14.

The cat is one of my favorites (along with the F-111 am an old pig-fixed from way back) and I have long been wanting to do something with it, so.

Big movable wigs are really cool but they are a bit troublesome maintenance wise plus there is the penalty with the "wing carry-through box" and all the gear required to move them. So for me, ditch them and fit the best wing of that era, the F-15's. Still allow the wings to fold, fit the GE F-110s (or P&W F100's).....>snip<I am so tempted to build the first one.......just so limited with time and other projects!
Your F-14S looks quite capable.  Though, it might be more practical to use the F-18 wing for your project.  Since that wing already has the wing fold features incorporated into it and the capability of hauling more weight via the multitude of stores pylons on each wing which is an excellent location for your auxiliary fuel tanks and additional missiles all the while retaining the space between the engines for the larger Phoenix weapons. 

Now I wonder what an F-15 with F-18 wings would look like... ;)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 09, 2015, 08:55:31 AM
I was wondering if there was a thread for the F-14.

The cat is one of my favorites (along with the F-111 am an old pig-fixed from way back) and I have long been wanting to do something with it, so.

Big movable wigs are really cool but they are a bit troublesome maintenance wise plus there is the penalty with the "wing carry-through box" and all the gear required to move them. So for me, ditch them and fit the best wing of that era, the F-15's. Still allow the wings to fold, fit the GE F-110s (or P&W F100's).....>snip<I am so tempted to build the first one.......just so limited with time and other projects!
Your F-14S looks quite capable.  Though, it might be more practical to use the F-18 wing for your project.  Since that wing already has the wing fold features incorporated into it and the capability of hauling more weight via the multitude of stores pylons on each wing which is an excellent location for your auxiliary fuel tanks and additional missiles all the while retaining the space between the engines for the larger Phoenix weapons. 

Now I wonder what an F-15 with F-18 wings would look like... ;)
In both cases, you might want to scale the F-18 wing to fit, since the basic F-18 is somewhat smaller than the F-14 or F-15; I think even the Super Hornet is smaller than either.  If memory serves me correctly (no guarantee on that anymore), a 1/48 F-18 wing would likely do nicely on a 1/72 F-14, but would probably need some "adjusting" to work for a F-15.  Still, it would be fun to play with.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on January 09, 2015, 01:29:24 PM
Years ago I tried to do the opposite, graft an F-14 swing wing (Matchbox) onto an F/A-18A (Italeri or Hasegawa, cant remember which), didn't work and the whole thing ended up in the bin as the wing was just too big.  I wonder though if it would be workable with the larger F/A-18E/F/G?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on January 09, 2015, 02:19:51 PM
Years ago I tried to do the opposite, graft an F-14 swing wing (Matchbox) onto an F/A-18A (Italeri or Hasegawa, cant remember which), didn't work and the whole thing ended up in the bin as the wing was just too big.  I wonder though if it would be workable with the larger F/A-18E/F/G?
Probably would've worked better with a 1/100 F-14 wing to a 1/72 F-18 and I could see a 1/72 F-14 wing to a 1/48 F-18.  The Super Hornet is larger than the original, but I don't think it's that much larger (going from memory - and I make no claims about its reliability - the Super Hornet is roughly 25% larger than the Hornet and I don't think that's near enough to be able to use a F-14 wing in the same scale).
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on January 09, 2015, 03:07:48 PM
True, the other option would be a Tornado wing but that's getting off the F-14 topic  ;)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 31, 2015, 10:30:32 AM
Need I say more...

(http://www.hsgalleries.com/gallery04/images/f14blueangelsdt_title.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on January 31, 2015, 10:02:41 PM
Now that would have made for a very intimidating display  ;D
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: mrvr6 on February 01, 2015, 12:36:00 AM
iv always wondered why they never used tomcats for the blue angels.
sis they switch straight from f4 to f18?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: upnorth on February 01, 2015, 12:47:50 AM
iv always wondered why they never used tomcats for the blue angels.
sis they switch straight from f4 to f18?

No, they had several years with the A-4 between the F-4 and F-18.

Both the Blue Angles and Thunderbirds gave up their Phantoms in the 1970s due to the rising cost of petroleum. The T-Birds went to the T-38 while the BA went to the A-4.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on February 01, 2015, 01:18:48 AM
iv always wondered why they never used tomcats for the blue angels.
sis they switch straight from f4 to f18?
Actually, it was F-4J --> A-4F/TA-4F --> F/A-18.  Both the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds went from F-4's to something that was smaller and cheaper to operate in the 1970's.  Given the spate of problems with the TF30 in the Tomcat (and in damn near every other airframe it's been put in), I can't blame them for not transitioning the Blue Angels to F-14A's.  Now, if Les Aspin hadn't led his crusade against the F401...

I could see doing a F401-powered F-14 in Blue Angels markings from the late Seventies.

Added note:  If you think I've got rather a grudge against the now-deceased Mr. Aspin, you're correct.  He led the crusade against the F401 with the cry "The TF30 is good enough!"; then, five years later, he claims "The Navy bought a Turkey, not a Tomcat" because continued problems with the TF30 he saddled them with are causing quite a number of loses and MMH/FH.  That his cancellation of the F401 also delivered my first layoff in aerospace just focused my interest on this "useful idiot" (I'll use that term, since the term I'd like to use would probably get me put on moderated status ;) ).
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 01, 2015, 06:15:36 AM

([url]http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q722/trickyrich62/F-14MUltracat_zpse593008b.jpg[/url])



I really like this!! Boy that is a clever, very tricky blend of both... as I look at it, it seems possible to do in plastic.   ??? Hmm
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Cliffy B on February 01, 2015, 08:06:52 AM
And they thought F-4's were loud and expensive...  ;D
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 04, 2015, 12:44:42 PM
Just a thought engendering this patch:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTA1WDUwMg==/z/fWwAAMXQfvlSi9nq/$_12.JPG)
Suppose in the early 1990's, when Grumman found out that the F-14D wouldn't be fully purchased nor further developed, Australia had needed a multi-role fighter (say, the F-111's wore out faster than expected) and was able to cut a good deal with Grumman (possiblylicensed production or even transferring the production line at some point?).  How about F-14Ds or F-14D/Quickstrikes in RAAF markings.  Australian production might even lead to JASDF usage:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMzk5/z/9pIAAOxy-sRSWEQS/$T2eC16N,!w8FId,+bG!kBSWEQRYpe!~~60_57.JPG)

One reason I consider this is that I've purchase both patches as inspiration.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on April 04, 2015, 02:03:13 PM
Well the F-111 AUP was in the 90s and I recall an Australian Aviation article recommending the government look at F/A-18D in its Night Attack iteration instead of retaining the F-111 fleet.  I don't know if it was ever on the card, in fact considering this was the era of the "Peace Dividend", retirement without replacement was probably more likely.  Anyway your F-14 Quick Strike falls in this period so could work.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 06, 2015, 05:22:43 AM
As per our private discussion, I can see the following options:


Getting an Australian buy for the F/A-14 strike variant would also open up other markets.  Any of the F-15E buyers may be options - e.g. Sth Korea, Israel, Singapore...

If you were to have a RAAF F/A-14D in the early '90s, I would definitely look at using something such as the F-14D Quickstrike as the basis.  Maybe morph this into the more advanced Tomcat 21/Attack Super Tomcat 21 around 2005-2010 as a midlife upgrade...


Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on April 06, 2015, 07:17:18 PM
Years ago I tried and failed to do a single seat F/A-14 using an already completed Matchbox F-14A.  The concept was an advanced glass cockpit and flight control system based on that developed for the F/A-18, single seat, F-16 style canopy, Vulcan, Sidewinder, AMRAAM (but no Phoenix) and various air to ground guided / unguided, free fall / glide / powered ordinance. 

The basic idea was a single seat F/A-14 instead of the F/A-18A/C (there was no E/F when I was playing with this) meaning the carrier air group would have two squadrons of F/A-14 single seaters (instead of Hornets), two of F-14D and two of FB-14 two place strike aircraft (instead of Intruders).  Basically an all Tomcat air group that would also provide the perfect aircraft for the RAAF instead of Hornet and Pig.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 07, 2015, 02:01:33 AM
You were saying something about single seat F-14s...

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/0e8131e6.gif)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on April 07, 2015, 02:26:56 AM
Sort of looks Su-27-ish ---
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 27, 2015, 04:49:08 AM
Random Idea:  F-14 done up as Modernish Gulfhawk in the same sort of scheme as its predecessors:

(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/0/9/6/1648690.jpg)
(http://static.thisdayinaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/tdia//2013/11/550x373xGrumman-G-58-Gulfhawk-NL3025-Major-A.J.-Williams-Jr.-USMCR-Gulf-Refining-Company.jpg.pagespeed.ic.IU-vB6EGD4.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 04, 2017, 03:25:46 AM
Russianized, Tomcatski (incorporating the AL-31FPs, canards and IRST ball):

([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/SauragnmonsF-14ski.jpg[/url])



I drew this years ago - now look what I find:

(http://i.imgur.com/TGGKNlK.jpg)
(http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz307/Pateorian/F-14NextGen_zps3593bb34.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ScranJ51 on January 05, 2017, 06:20:01 AM
The Russians already have a Tomcat to work with:

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa319/scran-Aus/1-72%20aircraft/14-3.jpg) (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/scran-Aus/media/1-72%20aircraft/14-3.jpg.html)

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa319/scran-Aus/1-72%20aircraft/14-2.jpg) (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/scran-Aus/media/1-72%20aircraft/14-2.jpg.html)

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa319/scran-Aus/1-72%20aircraft/14-1.jpg) (http://s203.photobucket.com/user/scran-Aus/media/1-72%20aircraft/14-1.jpg.html)


Bought from the Iranians several years ago.............................. ;)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 05, 2017, 02:30:50 PM
You were saying...

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image.jpg2_zps003wuhcc.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image.jpg1_zpsbchp3vrv.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2017, 02:17:09 AM
Anti-shipping F-14 anyone:

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab35/bobro15/Harpoon_zps0de7a8ba.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 26, 2017, 02:20:11 AM
Don't think I ever saw a F-14 with AIM-120s:

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab35/bobro15/b5b0b2dc3577169pt7_zpsf423b562.jpg~original)
(http://i.imgur.com/8ckGhRQ.jpg)

Or HARM:

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab35/bobro15/33268ae83128022pe8_zpsb7efd7ad.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Rickshaw on June 26, 2017, 01:20:18 PM
I like the "How-To" pam on the floor:

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab35/bobro15/b5b0b2dc3577169pt7_zpsf423b562.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 25, 2017, 04:32:02 PM
Single seat Tornado Tomcat. (sorry! :-[ )

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Tomcat-X.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Tomcat-X.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on October 25, 2017, 04:36:07 PM
Single seat Tornado.

([url]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Tomcat-X.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Tomcat-X.jpg.html[/url])

 :smiley:
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 26, 2017, 01:54:18 AM
Love it! :smiley:
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ChernayaAkula on October 26, 2017, 08:57:03 AM
^ Nice!  :smiley:

Anti-shipping F-14 anyone:

([url]http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab35/bobro15/Harpoon_zps0de7a8ba.jpg~original[/url])


Would probably look boring, but given that the Harpoon and Phoenix aren't all that different in terms of length and wing span, you could easily put four Harpoons in the Tomcat's tunnel.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on October 26, 2017, 09:18:40 AM
Perhaps a USMC Tomcat with SLAMs instead of Harpoons?  Same basic missile but different guidance fit so there shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 29, 2017, 01:24:08 PM
Top view, please. :smiley:
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 29, 2017, 11:24:51 PM
Hmmm...Aéronavale F-14 (2 seat conventional version) in the same dark grey scheme as the F-8E(FN)s would look cool.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: dy031101 on November 16, 2017, 07:26:27 AM
Top view, please. :smiley:


Yes, not by the original author, and yes, it's in Shipbucket scale...... but I tried to put it on a ship (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=7101.msg124065#msg124065).
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on December 20, 2017, 02:35:11 AM
Concept art of an F-14 launching an AIM-152 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-152_AAAM), a very long range rocket boosted missile.

The AIM-152 AAAM was a long-range air-to-air missile developed by the United States. The program went through a protracted development stage but was never adopted by the United States Navy, due to the ending of the Cold War and the reduction in threat of its perceived primary target, Soviet supersonic bombers. Development was cancelled in 1992.

(https://scontent.fyyz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25442935_870679699765398_3120346545168693300_n.jpg?oh=469405556c2c8553da9b1228d86abf0e&oe=5AD79B51)

(https://scontent.fyyz1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25591903_870679719765396_8815344976540061460_n.jpg?oh=4b2943bdf3affd1ade9e7d3ee972a402&oe=5AC7E450)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on December 22, 2017, 10:31:08 AM
Sorry Carlos I don't have any decent top view of the F-14.

More Tomcats including a French variant.

Nice! and interesting - especially the buddy pack!!

M.A.D
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: SebastianP on March 21, 2018, 10:07:33 AM
Does anyone have any decent ideas for a SEAD/DEAD version of the Tomcat? Either a dedicated version sort of like the A-6B, or just a loadout variation for a general-purpose strike Tomcat. What sort of weapons would it use, how good would it actually be, are there any units in particular which engaged in SEAD missions during their Phantom days that converted to the Tomcat, etc?

(I found an F-14B with what appears to be all its parts, just an unfortunate amount of paint sprayed onto it, under the kökkenmödding on my workbench, together with all of the Hasegawa Weapons set gear for it *except* for Sparrow and Phoenix missiles to go opposite the LANTIRN.... and then I found a pair of nice HARMs and a bunch of Rockeyes, JDAMs and JSOWs in my weapons box)

What sort of mods would you expect on a dedicated  "EF-14C" type machine? I can't really see it ever carrying more than three ALQ-99 pods given how the stores stations are laid out, which is a bit on the low side (especially since it couldn't carry HARMs with more than one ECM pod loaded), though it might be possible to modify a TARPS pod into a bigger, more powerful jamming pod. (If you're more skilled than me, that is..)

Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 21, 2018, 10:32:22 AM
Does anyone have any decent ideas for a SEAD/DEAD version of the Tomcat? Either a dedicated version sort of like the A-6B, or just a loadout variation for a general-purpose strike Tomcat. What sort of weapons would it use, how good would it actually be, are there any units in particular which engaged in SEAD missions during their Phantom days that converted to the Tomcat, etc?

(I found an F-14B with what appears to be all its parts, just an unfortunate amount of paint sprayed onto it, under the kökkenmödding on my workbench, together with all of the Hasegawa Weapons set gear for it *except* for Sparrow and Phoenix missiles to go opposite the LANTIRN.... and then I found a pair of nice HARMs and a bunch of Rockeyes, JDAMs and JSOWs in my weapons box)

What sort of mods would you expect on a dedicated  "EF-14C" type machine? I can't really see it ever carrying more than three ALQ-99 pods given how the stores stations are laid out, which is a bit on the low side (especially since it couldn't carry HARMs with more than one ECM pod loaded), though it might be possible to modify a TARPS pod into a bigger, more powerful jamming pod. (If you're more skilled than me, that is..)
More of a mod package for an "EF-14", HTM pod (from SEAD F-16 kit) faired into the front of one of the streamlined Bombcat fairings and other fairing gets a faired in Lightning pod or the visual LANTIRN pod.  Forward and aft positions on each fairing carry either JDAMs or JSOWs while the wing pylons carry HARMs on the main portion and either Sidewinders for self-defence or late-model Sidewinders converted to Sidearms (for international cooperation, use ALARMs instead ;) ).
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: SebastianP on March 21, 2018, 12:24:41 PM

More of a mod package for an "EF-14", HTM pod (from SEAD F-16 kit) faired into the front of one of the streamlined Bombcat fairings and other fairing gets a faired in Lightning pod or the visual LANTIRN pod.  Forward and aft positions on each fairing carry either JDAMs or JSOWs while the wing pylons carry HARMs on the main portion and either Sidewinders for self-defence or late-model Sidewinders converted to Sidearms (for international cooperation, use ALARMs instead ;) ).

Hmm. If I hadn't installed those fairings already, this would have been a good idea. My build order for these kits have little in common with Hasegawa's instructions... (In order to correct the fit issues on the Hasegawa Tomcat kits, everything that tends to fit poorly during a standard build is installed first while I can still apply sufficient pressure to *make* them fit, which forces out the subtle warping of the main fuselage halves that causes the problems in the first place. After that the kit tends to fall together. Shame the painting never does though...)

Otherwise I actually have some HTS pods, as well as newer targeting pods than LANTIRN (LITENING and Sniper-XR), courtesy of Hasegawa's weapons sets.

Maybe I could replace the TCS with a HTS pod? Maybe just take the distinctive front sensor thingy from the HTS and mate it to the front of the TCS where the lense normally goes?


Also, does anyone, anywhere, make the "Tomcat-21" wing glove extensions and ventral fairings in resin? The only Tomcat-21 model I've ever seen is the official Grumman showpiece, which I find kind of weird given how many die-hard fans the Tomcat has...

Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 21, 2018, 06:44:36 PM

Also, does anyone, anywhere, make the "Tomcat-21" wing glove extensions and ventral fairings in resin? The only Tomcat-21 model I've ever seen is the official Grumman showpiece, which I find kind of weird given how many die-hard fans the Tomcat has...

 I don't believe so.  I agree that even a resin conversion would be good.

A "Silent Tomcat" for the modern day with stealth features would be cool to do too.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: SebastianP on March 21, 2018, 09:30:52 PM

 I don't believe so.  I agree that even a resin conversion would be good.

A "Silent Tomcat" for the modern day with stealth features would be cool to do too.

The latter would be kind of a serious scratchbuild project, way out of my league. :) Fixing the intakes alone to make them stealthy will take a a huge amount of work... and then you need to get them symmetrical. Ouch.

Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 21, 2018, 10:10:42 PM
I would probably cheat and use something such as F-22 or Super Hornet intakes. Maybe also steal the F-22 exhausts, give an enclosed weapons' pannier on the centreline, do something about the tail (maybe even give it a F-23 style V-tail), new front windscreen...
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 21, 2018, 11:53:43 PM
Maybe I could replace the TCS with a HTS pod? Maybe just take the distinctive front sensor thingy from the HTS and mate it to the front of the TCS where the lense normally goes?
That would work for a permanent Ef-14.  You might need to use putty to fair the sensor head into the TCS fairing.

Also, does anyone, anywhere, make the "Tomcat-21" wing glove extensions and ventral fairings in resin? The only Tomcat-21 model I've ever seen is the official Grumman showpiece, which I find kind of weird given how many die-hard fans the Tomcat has...
I don't know about the ventral fairing, but the wing glove extensions are easy enough to scratchbuild as the plan view shows them having the same outline as the extended glove vanes.  You could fix those in place and then build up with putty and/or strips of plastic card to finish off the contours.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: SebastianP on March 22, 2018, 09:51:11 AM
I would probably cheat and use something such as F-22 or Super Hornet intakes. Maybe also steal the F-22 exhausts, give an enclosed weapons' pannier on the centreline, do something about the tail (maybe even give it a F-23 style V-tail), new front windscreen...

At that point you're basically building an entire new aircraft, though.

Here are the mods I can see someone doing realistically, in order of likelihood they'd be implemented in real life (also, more or less the reverse order you'd have to do them if you were building it..)

Paint the aircraft in 36170 instead of TPS. The F-35C is carrying the same HAVE GLASS V paint scheme as the other variants, and it has also been applied to the F-16 during the recent CCIP modernizations.

Apply "RAM tape" made from the thinnest styrene you can get your hands on over the panel lines. Don't bother rescribing, just glue narrow, super thin strips of plastic over all the panel lines using brush cement. Paint them a different color from the rest of the aircraft if you must, but the real F-35 just got color-matched RAM tape so it's no longer needed.

Reshape the worst of the minor intakes and vents on the fuselage, like the dorsal bleed air vents, by adding a triangle to the lip.

Sand the mating surface of the ventral stabilators so they won't sit perpendicular to the surface, but meet it at an angle, preferably so the tips are further outboard.

Install F135 nozzles looted from a couple of F-35s in place of the TF30 or F110 ones. Much easier to do than faff about with Raptor nozzles, also F135 engines are in the Navy inventory already.

Replace the TCS with the nose sensor from an F-35.

Fill and sand flush the intake ramps, eliminating both their functionality and the panel lines. They're not needed.

Chop off the front end of the wing glove fairing (upper intake lip/splitter plate) and extend the fairing to the forward fuselage, Flanker style.

Reshape the edges of the intakes so both the inboard and outboard edges are completely straight, and the inboard edge is forward of the outboard one by a few mm.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 22, 2018, 11:32:38 AM
Replace the TCS with the nose sensor from an F-35.
Replacing the TCS or TCS+IRST on the F-14D with the F-35's EOTS would be feasible, but would take some structural and internal redesign (the visible part is small compared to the whole package).

I would definitely go with a radome/forward fuselage mating more like that on the F-22 or F-35, especially since I'd be upgrading to an AESA radar, too.

I would endeavor to relocate as many scoops and vents into the inlets as possible and, as far upstream from the engines as possible, put a radial radar blocker like Boeing used on the X-32.  I don't know that I would redesign the inlets per se, but I would make them and the inlet ducts out of composite material incorporating RAM within it (this has been around for 20 years and I suspect it is being used on the F-35).
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: SebastianP on March 22, 2018, 05:56:35 PM
(this has been around for 20 years and I suspect it is being used on the F-35).

You and everyone else... AFAIK they did some of that to the F-16 during CCIP as well, put RAM  on the internal bulkheads so that if radar energy got through the Have Glass paint it wouldn't bounce off the vertical surfaces, but the RAM itself would be out of the airstream and not get too beat up in flight. Nothing you'd really see on a model though.



Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on September 04, 2019, 09:40:15 AM
This Is What Grumman's Proposed F-14 Super Tomcat 21 Would Have Actually Looked Like

The Super Tomcat 21 would include a variety of enhancements over the F-14D and it could be produced via remanufacturing existing F-14 airframes or it could be ordered via a new-build arrangement. Most likely a combination of both options would have been used, just like the F-14D. Remember that the last new-build Tomcat had rolled off the Bethpage, New York production line in 1992, so it's not like the F-14 inventory was long in the tooth or its production line had gone cold for an extensive period of time when the Super Tomcat 21 was being considered.

If the Super Hornet hadn't been built, Grumman's next-gen Tomcat may have become a reality. We forensically recreated it in these awesome renderings.

(https://the-drive.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-cms-content-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1567541789413-dddc22.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=164f2e79a4b5b3e29f6ec75363566195)

(https://the-drive-2.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F09%2FST21.jpg%3Fquality%3D85?w=1440&auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=b16fe53187c9bda70e797e5e12f771a5)

Source: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29653/this-is-what-grummans-proposed-f-14-super-tomcat-21-would-have-actually-looked-like (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29653/this-is-what-grummans-proposed-f-14-super-tomcat-21-would-have-actually-looked-like)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 05, 2019, 02:07:51 AM
Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: taiidantomcat on February 27, 2020, 11:40:22 PM
(https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/014/912/987/large/rasmus-poulsen-old-bird.jpg?1546245956)

(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/015/375/070/large/rasmus-poulsen-tomcat-heavy-bee.jpg?1548099272)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Old Wombat on February 28, 2020, 12:09:03 AM
I like that one! 8)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 10, 2020, 03:27:53 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/51e/Mighty%20Dragons.jpg)

(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/3c1/Screen_200406_203631.jpg)

(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/e12/RNZAF3.jpg)
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/abd/RNZAF5.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 10, 2020, 03:36:51 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/a54/75sqn.JPG)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 10, 2020, 04:02:21 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/e71/Screen_190929_035704.jpg)
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/20e/Screen_190929_035242.jpg)
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/a20/Screen_190929_040906.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 12, 2020, 03:53:32 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/25a/144TH_09.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 12, 2020, 04:22:43 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/935/77sqn.JPG)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on April 12, 2020, 12:32:36 PM
This Is What Grumman's Proposed F-14 Super Tomcat 21 Would Have Actually Looked Like

The Super Tomcat 21 would include a variety of enhancements over the F-14D and it could be produced via remanufacturing existing F-14 airframes or it could be ordered via a new-build arrangement. Most likely a combination of both options would have been used, just like the F-14D. Remember that the last new-build Tomcat had rolled off the Bethpage, New York production line in 1992, so it's not like the F-14 inventory was long in the tooth or its production line had gone cold for an extensive period of time when the Super Tomcat 21 was being considered.

If the Super Hornet hadn't been built, Grumman's next-gen Tomcat may have become a reality. We forensically recreated it in these awesome renderings.

(https://the-drive.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com%2Fthe-drive-cms-content-staging%2Fmessage-editor%252F1567541789413-dddc22.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=164f2e79a4b5b3e29f6ec75363566195)

(https://the-drive-2.imgix.net/https%3A%2F%2Fapi.thedrive.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F09%2FST21.jpg%3Fquality%3D85?w=1440&auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=js-1.4.1&s=b16fe53187c9bda70e797e5e12f771a5)

Source: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29653/this-is-what-grummans-proposed-f-14-super-tomcat-21-would-have-actually-looked-like (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29653/this-is-what-grummans-proposed-f-14-super-tomcat-21-would-have-actually-looked-like)
Comparing Grumman's model to their images, I see one error in the images, Grumman's model shows a one-piece blown windscreen instead of the framed and pieced together one.  Still, if someone could produce a mod kit to do the new wings, the remainder of the ST21 is doable from a good F-14 kit.  Though I would still be tempted to add a pair of F135 nozzles.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Old Wombat on April 12, 2020, 04:51:50 PM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/935/77sqn.JPG)

I have an F-14 that's going to be a RAAF bird, this might do nicely! :smiley:

(Also, F-15 & F-16 to suffer same fate. ;))
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on April 12, 2020, 07:52:51 PM
I believe the selection of the F/A-18E/F over the advanced F-14 options related to cost savings of the Super Hornet over other options.  It was perfectly good enough, especially during the peace dividend thinking of the time.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Wave on May 04, 2020, 01:23:45 AM
Has anyone done an F-14 in classic WWII USN blue scheme or 30s USAAF blue and yellow?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on May 04, 2020, 01:59:12 AM
I believe the selection of the F/A-18E/F over the advanced F-14 options related to cost savings of the Super Hornet over other options.  It was perfectly good enough, especially during the peace dividend thinking of the time.
According to some stories, the choice boiled down to Grumman, and GE, being in BuAero's "bad book" over the extra costs incurred in fitting the F110 to the F-14.  The original intention was just a collar/spacer between the end and the inlet and the front face of the engine, the F110 being shorter than the TF30, but this would have made the aircraft unstable and required faster and more powerful flight control computers which were GFE.  When the USN couldn't deliver the new computers in a timely manner, Grumman and GE had to redesign the engine and engine installation to move the engine forward and put the stretch in the section between the engine and nozzle.  When BuAero refused to pay for this, Grumman and GE took them to court and won.  This predisposed BuAero against further F-14 developments.  Yeah, the F/A-18E/F also have GE engines, but they are from a different facility (West Lynn, MA as opposed to Cincinatti, OH) and branch of GE's engine division.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 04, 2020, 03:12:07 AM
Has anyone done an F-14 in classic WWII USN blue scheme or 30s USAAF blue and yellow?

Such as this:

(https://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal6/5301-5400/gal5303-F-14-Desautels/01.jpg)

or this:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/gETxJJ7cqj8Cywr_jR4eTO4T8J3fttMFvCKIUTqT8niTOFNbfs0Fq1sc-DKpURDk5oejxLTuU5F7NJJTZadrfxjWMK-Y9MRR6HDNt4UmJf3B--tc)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on May 04, 2020, 04:14:00 AM
Nice  --  Prefer those schemes over RW schemes.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: tahsin on May 04, 2020, 04:49:04 AM
How many airliners have Northrop and Grumman have sold together? Remove McDD out of the way and there you are, removing all possible obstacles. "Subpar" is tough competition already...
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on May 04, 2020, 12:24:45 PM
How many airliners have Northrop and Grumman have sold together? Remove McDD out of the way and there you are, removing all possible obstacles. "Subpar" is tough competition already...

Hah?  ???
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on May 04, 2020, 03:13:53 PM
Mmmm…… so Various advanced F-14s instead of the F/A-18E/F/G Block I, II, and III.

First whiff, replace the RAAF F and G buys and the recently announced German one, they would also be a better fit with the F-35B/C as well as an interesting option for the USAF and USMC.

As for earlier RAAF adoption, how about the RAAF adopts the A-5 Vigilante instead of the F-111 and needs a late 80s, early 90s replacement?

Extrapolating the Vigilante, lets say the RAAF goes through with the initially planned F-104C buy that was canned and replaced with a final batch of Sabres.  The early introduction of the F-104 / J-79, makes the Vigilante more attractive and the replacement of the remaining Sabres less critical.  With the F-104 and Vigilante in service, the J-79 powered F-4E becomes the obvious choice to replace the ground attack assigned Sabres during the 70s and then the F-14D become the obvious choice to replace the F-104 and Vigilante in the 80s and 90s.  The late build F-4Es are then replaced with enhanced F-14 derivatives in the 2000s, while the early F-14Ds give way to the F-35 in the 2010s and 2020s.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 05, 2020, 01:48:24 AM
You could also go the route I suggested in Greater Australia (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=3.0) whereby they go for the commonality factor between upgraded F-111s and the F-14:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Greater%20Australia/F-14BRAAFIndonesia1.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: tahsin on May 05, 2020, 04:08:18 AM
How many airliners have Northrop and Grumman have sold together? Remove McDD out of the way and there you are, removing all possible obstacles. "Subpar" is tough competition already...

Hah?  ???

Only because you have asked. Rationalization is a good thing, you can't have too many. Efficiencies and all that. Then consider the 1957 events which tend to get so many British fans foam at the mouth. The other Lightning and the consolidations it achieved by being unfortunately being far too advanced to be cancelled... The experience so bitter that the Lightning could not be given Sidewinders to double the warload because it was always going to be retired soon. One company, one engine maker and first no one but the Norman Conquest as it was called at the time and GE would not be the second. You know, history. As such the E/F was solely a placeholder until the true item which could have been properly called the F-38 but it was considered Republic's legacy would be better "respected" instead of running the competition as F-23/24 .

Then maybe we should question the very question of rationalization. The French experience would be very illustrative. The French Airforce wants a nuclear strike plane, gets its small training version, Airforce wants F-15 for Colonial policing (because LGB and see Strike Eagle), gets a new delta which it should have had a decade ago. Because "Modéle 53" is not much of a complication... Airforce is even denied the double Mirage 2K because that's for the oil rich Arabs. French Navy wants A-4 or maybe it doesn't and gets half the number of planes it could have bought from America. Navy wants F-18 and nobody even fancies testing 2000 for carrier duty, awesome plane as it is. So, they have to do something and they do Rafale and rushing it would have hurt profits as 2000 has not earned enough to justify the programme and had Rafale been rushed it could have got half the F-16 exports post 1991 in dollar value.

Nothing conspiracy wise, basic economic considerations. lt would be much more fun to discuss why a 21st Century Tomcat would be bad.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 28, 2020, 03:49:49 AM
Whilst researching something else, I cam across the following:

"The F-14 Tomcat came close to entering Canadian service through the the back door. The Islamic revolution in Iran had cut off that country’s air force from spare parts for US-supplied equipment – including recently purchased Tomcats.  Rather than be faced with potentially unserviceable aircraft,  Canada tried to convince Iran to sell its almost-new fighters at cut-rate prices. However, the deal was killed once it was realized that Canadian diplomats were  instrumental  in smuggling  US embassy personnel, masquerading as Canadians, out of the Islamic Republic"

Hmmm...RCAF F-14 anyone?

(https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/what-if-canadian-tomcat-peter-van-stigt.jpg)

(https://milaviate.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/tomcat-canada.png)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: tahsin on June 02, 2020, 02:18:40 AM
Essentially to stop them moving next door. lran sells toys of the hated Shah, gains some leverage as they were already skirmishing with the lraqis behind closed doors, USN approves. What can go wrong, we were paying in other ways for all the Starfighters being collected here and there, were we not?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 28, 2020, 03:26:12 AM
(https://combatace.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh173/SPINNERS1961/WHAT%2520IF%25202010/WHAT%2520IF%25202011/USAFF-14FTOMCAT02.jpg&key=0fdb88ef267231fcea931ac00938aca693e127cac017231e25996f5ac08d91c4)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 03, 2021, 03:22:47 AM
Look closely:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqUMaTuXAAAxsDW?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on January 03, 2021, 08:36:52 AM
Look closely:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqUMaTuXAAAxsDW?format=jpg&name=900x900)

"Marines"

I think from memory, the F-14, along with the LTV A-7 weren't wanted by the USMC, as they were deemed too expensive, too complex for their notion of warfighting - alas the Navy exserted pressure on the Marine's regardless, for every airframe and engine equated to less chance of Congress killing the programs, as well as lowering the procurement costs......
Personally, with in the Tomcat's case, I think the Marine's were correct in their decision.

Oh, and with a quick search on the web:
"The Marine Corps pulled out of any procurement when the development of the stores' management system for ground attack munitions was not pursued."



MAD
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 05, 2021, 03:44:12 AM
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/e68/GTwiner/Grumman.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GaryF on March 02, 2021, 04:46:39 PM
 Anyone ever see mention of fitting PW F100 engines to the Tomcat?  Possibly for the USAF F-106 replacement?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 03, 2021, 02:12:29 AM
Anyone ever see mention of fitting PW F100 engines to the Tomcat?  Possibly for the USAF F-106 replacement?


This would presumably be the F401-PW-400.  It was proposed for the F-14B - see here:  http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-f14b.htm (http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-f14b.htm)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 03, 2021, 12:44:53 PM
Anyone ever see mention of fitting PW F100 engines to the Tomcat?  Possibly for the USAF F-106 replacement?


This would presumably be the F401-PW-400.  It was proposed for the F-14B - see here:  [url]http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-f14b.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-history-f14b.htm[/url])

Actually, the F401 shares a common hp core with the F100 but has a different lp fan of slightly larger (2 in., IIRC) diameter with a different lp turbine to match.  The difference in diameter between the two engines means that F100 nozzles can be used as F401 nozzles since the difference in 1/72 and 1/48 is quite negligible.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GaryF on March 03, 2021, 05:19:31 PM
Thanks for the info guys.  I’m starting a Tomcat as USAF in ADC markings.  My plan is to put F100 exhaust cans on it assuming if they got the Navy plane they would have to make some changes, especially the engines.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 03, 2021, 11:26:14 PM
Keeping the F401s might be easier and cheaper as I suspect the F100 would need some changes to pick up the F14's engine mounts (I can't prove it, but I suspect the engines install differently of the F-14 and F-15) and both the F100 and F401 are variants of P&W's JTF22B engine family.  As I said, F100 nozzles and exhausts would work as F401 nozzles and exhausts as the dimensional difference really isn't that much when you get down to 1/48 or 1/72 scale.

Along those lines, ISTR one book on the F-14 which, in discussing the proposed F-14 for the USAF included a picture of a F-14 display model finished in potential Thunderbirds markings.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 04, 2021, 02:05:05 AM
Is this the test bird with F401s?

(http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-photo-grumman-03xl.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 04, 2021, 02:09:03 AM
Of course a successful F401 for the F-14 opens the way for a F401 powered F-111 as well...just saying. ;)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: elmayerle on March 04, 2021, 05:38:02 AM
Is this the test bird with F401s?

([url]http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-photo-grumman-03xl.jpg[/url])

Yes, it is.  It was later used as the test aircraft for the F101DFE/F110 installation.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GaryF on March 04, 2021, 09:17:29 AM
Nice info.  Nice pic of how the nozzle part adapts to the back end. I was thinking of trying the F100 nozzle to the F-14D adapter but that pic looks a lot more like the F100 directly onto the back end section of an A model.  Makes things easier from the standpoint of robbing parts from other kits.
Thanks again guys.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: Kerick on March 04, 2021, 11:47:14 AM
Of course a successful F401 for the F-14 opens the way for a F401 powered F-111 as well...just saying. ;)

I’ve thought about that for a long time. And how to change the inlets.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 05, 2021, 12:58:46 AM
Nice info.  Nice pic of how the nozzle part adapts to the back end. I was thinking of trying the F100 nozzle to the F-14D adapter but that pic looks a lot more like the F100 directly onto the back end section of an A model.  Makes things easier from the standpoint of robbing parts from other kits.
Thanks again guys.

Dare I say a pair of F-16 engine nozzles would go nicely:

(https://b-domke.de/AviationImages/Viper/Images/2113cu.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 05, 2021, 01:14:22 AM
I did that for my RAF F-15, I made a casting of an F-16 exhaust nozzle.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GaryF on March 05, 2021, 06:02:31 AM
That’s the plan.  I have plenty of Hasegawa nozzles for my Hasegawa Tomcat and I can get a few PW nozzles from Tamiya Aggressor F-16 kits for my Tam Tomcat project. 
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 05, 2021, 11:43:30 PM
Hmmm...TF30 powered F-16 also possible?
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on March 07, 2021, 06:55:41 PM
Hmmm...TF30 powered F-16 also possible?

Certainly by using styrene engineering principles.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on March 07, 2021, 11:50:53 PM
That’s the plan.  I have plenty of Hasegawa nozzles for my Hasegawa Tomcat and I can get a few PW nozzles from Tamiya Aggressor F-16 kits for my Tam Tomcat project.

I think the exhaust I used came from a F-16N kit that has been used as a donor for other projects.
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on August 16, 2021, 02:43:40 AM
RF-14:

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b1dc9fab-a2cb-4335-a304-80e5988cd4cd/d9rf7l2-1db07376-fdc0-411c-9645-98e6670accdf.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_724,q_75,strp/grumman_artist_s_impression_of_the_rf_14_by_fighterman35_d9rf7l2-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzI0IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYjFkYzlmYWItYTJjYi00MzM1LWEzMDQtODBlNTk4OGNkNGNkXC9kOXJmN2wyLTFkYjA3Mzc2LWZkYzAtNDExYy05NjQ1LTk4ZTY2NzBhY2NkZi5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.FENndMA4dxcjoys8xi1RfuzHzL8T0F5oRxzBuTNhaVI)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 16, 2022, 02:36:18 AM
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/354/1jo8w88srhzjp1ptdbuga2pz9hpfvnz6/f-14b-jagdgeschwader73.jpg)
(https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/380/p1bflejh7elpswjz4wzotq3tyvuq7x02/Screenshot_2021-12-16_171403.jpg)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 01, 2022, 03:34:54 AM
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/0246dd0e-5d49-4d08-a8ae-daa09f0b309f/ddrjpfa-20d4e97c-51db-4f60-a00e-20a8d9d79744.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzAyNDZkZDBlLTVkNDktNGQwOC1hOGFlLWRhYTA5ZjBiMzA5ZlwvZGRyanBmYS0yMGQ0ZTk3Yy01MWRiLTRmNjAtYTAwZS0yMGE4ZDlkNzk3NDQuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.FkEEsfjCiwPw6ebKScrp6TW3dvOl9W0-dYQyggUojUg)

CFBV
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: M.A.D on July 03, 2022, 01:29:44 PM
Don't see this everyday 😯

MAD
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: The Big Gimper on November 28, 2022, 08:45:30 AM
A good read.

Well, I’ve been to Topgun so Tom Cruise thinks he’s me

Commander Richard “Corky” Erie flew the F-14 Tomcat with the US Navy. Here he describes the strengths and weaknesses of this massive and iconic carrier fighter aircraft.


https://hushkit.net/2022/11/27/well-ive-been-to-topgun-so-tom-cruise-thinks-hes-me/

(https://hushkit.files.wordpress.com/2022/11/first-cruise-1993.jpg-1.bmp?w=1024)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 30, 2023, 04:36:32 AM
Eurofighter tomcat: carrier based and variable geometry

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/EurofighterTomcat_vUULTScd1mph55SmLr1B2y.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/EurofighterTomcat_vUULTScd1mph55SmLr1B2y.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
Title: Re: Grumman F-14 Tomcat Ideas and Inspiration
Post by: ysi_maniac on February 05, 2024, 04:09:55 PM
Merging 2 related projects.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Tomcat-111_fCi6ysgt738PatoJ84pPE5.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/Tomcat-111_fCi6ysgt738PatoJ84pPE5.jpg?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds")