Given the Leo 1 has a 105mm gun, an 88 would be quite a downgrade. The Germans were experimenting with 105mm & 128mm tank weapons in late WW2, so a 105mm equipped vehicle is quite valid.That is true John. :) I wonder who all makes a W.W.2 German 105mm main gun.
Regards,
John
Leo1 with 120mm main gun (sometimes also referred to as Leo3)......
For an actual tank gun, the 'Dicker Max' or 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa was armed with the 105mm K18 gun. I believe Trumpeter makes a kit of the type in 35th scale.
Regards,
John
You would probably be best placed to derive it from the German 10.5cm Flak 38-39:
Not sure if anyone models it.
Weren't the Germans also working on a 100mm low-recoil (recoilless?) gun during WWII?
For an actual tank gun, the 'Dicker Max' or 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa was armed with the 105mm K18 gun. I believe Trumpeter makes a kit of the type in 35th scale.
Regards,
John
I forgot about that one. Yes there are kits available from at least DML and Trumpeter in 1/35.
How good was the K18 in the antitank role?
For an actual tank gun, the 'Dicker Max' or 10.5cm K18 auf Panzer Selbstfahrlafette IVa was armed with the 105mm K18 gun. I believe Trumpeter makes a kit of the type in 35th scale.
Regards,
John
Thanks John. I have the DML version in the stash. Hopefully a metal barrel is available somewhere. :D
Thanks John. I have the DML version in the stash. Hopefully a metal barrel is available somewhere. :D
RB Model do one in 1/35:
([url]http://www.rbmodel.com/data/foto/big/35B65/04.jpg[/url])
([url]http://www.rbmodel.com/data/foto/big/35B65/03.jpg[/url])
You can usually find them for sale on eBay.
You know, somewhere at some point in time, I swear I remember reading a proposal from Giat (or Nexter) that involved equipping the Leo 1 with various turrets from the AMX 30 family... but the reason for swapping the turret from the gun tank went over my head a bit ...
.... One non-Giat proposal was Santa Bárbara Sistemas' Proyecto LEOX. A hull was procured from Krauss-Maffei (and is still in Seville, apparently) but I'm not sure if the turret swap was ever completed. The point of the project was to eliminate drivetrain problems with the AMX-30E while avoiding British export bans on the Leopard 1A3's RO L7A3 main guns.
IIRC, Proyecto LEOX was meant as an fill-in after the collapse of the 1985 domestic Lince tank project (also by Krauss-Maffei and Santa Bárbara). There were a host of alternative proposals all involving new transmissions (or engines) for the AMX-30E. Eventually, Spain chose the AMX-30EM1 / AMX-30EM2 upgrades before moving on to Leopard 2E and Centauro replacements.
... I read an account from a Spanish tanker who said he felt that the gun of the older M47 was superior to the French 105! ...
... a tropicalised, specialist desert version of the Leopard...
I made an "urban" Leo a few years ago:
([url]http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/uleo/uleo19.jpg[/url])
inspired by BuzzBomb's urban M1: [url]http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,26318.0.html[/url] ([url]http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,26318.0.html[/url])
Frank, do you have more photos of your urban combat Leo? While there have been a few nice MBTs converted to this type of vehicle, yours is the best execution of the idea I've seen so far.
^ Maybe a Leo 1 with the turret (or a development thereof) of a Begleitpanzer (LINK ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1074.msg12812#msg12812[/url]))?
GTX=what is that option number three on your last pic?......dual linked railguns? ;) ;)lol
3. 2A38 twin-barrel submachine gun 30mm (caliber 135 mm ; quantity 2 pcs);
30mm submachine gun, the reason space marines came to be!That reminds me of the Marines of John Ringo's & "Doc" Taylor's Vorpal Blade series where one of them in powered armor has a pair of pistols made from .50 caliber Barretts. I do highly recommend the series for good mil SF reading.
Some real world Leo1 proposals:
MLRS:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/leomrls001.jpg[/url])
are you referring to the trailer mounted launcher towed by a MAN 8x8?I believe so.
Given the Leo 1 has a 105mm gun, an 88 would be quite a downgrade. The Germans were experimenting with 105mm & 128mm tank weapons in late WW2, so a 105mm equipped vehicle is quite valid.
Regards,
John
That is true John. :) I wonder who all makes a W.W.2 German 105mm main gun.
Flowing on from discussion in the Takom tank models thread ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=3211.msg61006#msg61006[/url]): Whatif rather than getting M1s, the ARA is forced to go with a "cheaper" option of upgrading the Leo1s. They give them a major hull overhaul , possibly a new/improved engine, MEXAS armour, new fire control system, new 120mm gun etc, etc…
The resulting vehicle would have aspects from both the Leo 1A6 and the Leo1 C2 with Mexas:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image_zps7796b87c.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/image_zps9a6472c8.jpg[/url])
Maybe call it a Leopard 1A6 (AS2)?
<...> The only thing I have not been able to find a clear answer to in my searches is how many 120 mm rounds it would be able to carry. <...>42 rounds, according to Hilmes' "Typenkompass KPz Leopard 1". :)
The only thing I have not been able to find a clear answer to in my searches is how many 120 mm rounds it would be able to carry.
Singaporean 2A4?
Some real world Leo1 proposals:
MLRS:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/leomrls001.jpg[/url])
SPH:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/leohow1001.jpg[/url])
What's the source for these images? Like, what book? I'd like to learn more about these tanks if possible.
I believe there was actually a prototype Leopard 1 SPG with the French GCT turret. Fairly sure the is a photo in one of my books, just need to remember which one and hope its not one that's still in a packing box.
That's pretty cool! 8) Which museum is that?
That glacis armour looks decidedly underwhelming. :icon_surprised:
I believe there was actually a prototype Leopard 1 SPG with the French GCT turret. Fairly sure the is a photo in one of my books, just need to remember which one and hope its not one that's still in a packing box.
This one:
([url]http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k337/Knight_of_Zero/193093_original.jpg~original[/url])
([url]http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k337/Knight_of_Zero/193389_original.jpg~original[/url])
This was developed as a private venture by Krauss-Maffei and Giat but found no buyers. Would be interesting to do an operational version.
Kevin Williams is at it again with a promising Leopard Palletized transporter:
([url]http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o734/kwil9999/IMG_4802_zpsl70jfzza.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o734/kwil9999/IMG_4801_zpsn78czdgc.jpg[/url])
Thread here:
[url]http://www.network54.com/Forum/169232/message/1443905025/Leopard+1+PLS+what-if[/url] ([url]http://www.network54.com/Forum/169232/message/1443905025/Leopard+1+PLS+what-if[/url])
Leopard 1: Weight 42.2 tonnes (increased on later models from original 40.0 tonnes) Length 9.54/8.29 m (gun forward/rearward) Width 3.37 m Height 2.39/2.70 m (turret roof/absolute) | Chieftain: Weight 55 long tons (62 short tons; 56 t) Length 35 ft 4 in (10.77 m) – gun forward 7.5 m (24 ft 7 in) – hull Width 12 ft 0 in (3.66 m) Height 2.9 m (9 ft 6 in) |
When I was browsing online for Leopard 2 pictures, I noticed that most Leopard 2 tanks have forward side skirts being thicker than the rest:
(Illustration courtesy of Armored Warfare by Obsidian Entertainment.)
([url]http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/dy031101/sideSkirtTemplate1.jpg~original[/url])
What are those armour blocks intended to protect?
Thanks in advance.
What are those armour blocks intended to protect?
Random idea:
Leopard 1 retrograded to have either 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 gun (from Panther tank) or 8.8 cm KwK 43 L/71 gun (from Tiger II tank).
JagdLeo1:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/jagdleopard-1-a4.gif[/url])
From Panzer 46 FB page (Builder unknown)
Never quite understood why you would want to mount an MLRS on a tank chassis, particularly when you have a road network as extensive and as well paved as Germany's to put your truck mounted chassis on.
Never quite understood why you would want to mount an MLRS on a tank chassis, particularly when you have a road network as extensive and as well paved as Germany's to put your truck mounted chassis on.
Maybe because they weren't always planning on fighting in Germany or wanted more flexibility?
Most of Europe's road network, East as well as West was pretty well paved by the mid-1960s. I cannot imagine where they were thinking of going, except perhaps to Moscow (again) where they'd need a tank chassis.
Most of Europe's road network, East as well as West was pretty well paved by the mid-1960s. I cannot imagine where they were thinking of going, except perhaps to Moscow (again) where they'd need a tank chassis.
By that argument, you would also argue that they did not need tracked vehicles at all...
it looks like I'll have a complete turret left over.
Maybe use it as a coastal defense piece?
Or put it on another hull - maybe a wheeled platform like a LAV or Boxer?
Or put it on another hull - maybe a wheeled platform like a LAV or Boxer?
Nice idea, but it's way out of my comfort zone when it comes to required skills, and I don't have any donor kits. Unless I want to scale-o-rama the turret onto an 1/35 vehicle, which I have no plans to do.
Hey dy031101
I do it.
T-72 turret on Leo 1 hull - not so much!
Leo3 shown above:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/leopard-3-a4.gif[/url])
Errr...wouldn't that just be a standard Leo 1 with a longer (~1m) barrel?
Errr...wouldn't that just be a standard Leo 1 with a longer (~1m) barrel?
I will aim to do something this coming weekend.
EMBT is ready for colour.You've done a great job with the brass, so this is not a criticism of you at all, but, to me this really illustrates why PE just isn't very good for a lot of the things we buy it for. Those flats section PE basket frames simply do not have the look of the tube baskets of the real thing. That an excellent assembly job doesn't overcome it, is illustrative, at least to me.
Sabiex HIFV, The ‘Golden Unit’
The United Arab Emirates (UAE) was the only nation that bought the OF-40 (OTO-Melara/Fiat 40 tonne) tank in the 1980’s. They first bought the Mk.1 and were not pleased with the vehicle leading to a further delivery of Mk.2 vehicles and upgrading of the Mk.1 to Mk.2 standard very soon afterwards. Even so, these tanks were not considered mobile enough nor sufficiently well armed by the UAE for their envisaged role in the Middle Eastern battlespace. Ultimately, the UAE was left with an undesired stock of tanks and OF 40 based armored recovery vehicles (ARV’s). The UAE, already operating the much more advanced, better protected, and better armed Leclerc MBT, did not need these older vehicles. Despite rumors of these vehicles being sold to Bosnia-Herzegovina as surplus in the late 1990’s they instead appear to have simply been put into long-term storage in the Gulf nation.
The UAE did, however, operate a number of BMP-3’s which, despite being well armed, were not well armored which led to the search for a suitable replacement for them.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/OfsG0vT.jpg[/url])
OF 40 Mk.2
[url]https://i.imgur.com/SEkVmEt.png[/url] ([url]https://i.imgur.com/SEkVmEt.png[/url])
OF 40 based Sabiex HIFV showing the substantially altered profile of the vehicle.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/wOYrGZb.png[/url])
Hull development at Sabiex’s Belgian plant. The hull has been totally stripped off and a new improved mine resistant floor is being added. Old features like the driver’s floor hatch from the OF 40 are eliminated.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/3w4rjvy.jpg[/url])
New internal side armor being fitted at the Sabiex plant.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/rzUu2k6.png[/url])
Sabiex OF 40 based HIFV leaving the Sabiex plant in Belgium
([url]https://i.imgur.com/9l4vdSH.png[/url])
Sabiex HIFV undergoing trials in Belgium in 2007.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/gIgjD8J.png[/url])
Sabiex HIFV during trials in Belgium in 2007. The position of the driver gives a good idea of the problems of driving a vehicle with such a large frontal blind spot.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/8ejNXuq.png[/url])
Sabiex HIFV during testing in Belgium in 2007.
Development
By 2005, a possible new role for the OF 40 tanks was found. The Belgian firm of Sabiex International, based in Tournai, received a €12 million (euro) (US$15.8 million) contract from the UAE to reuse components of the OF 40 during the development and evaluation phase of their own IFV/APC program. Also involved in this joint-venture were the South Technology Company (STC) along with the Al Badie Group (ABG). STC specialise in engineering, upgrading, addition armoring (including landmine protection) and optronics.
The purpose of this new vehicle was to replace the existing UAE BMP-3’s fleet. The result of the STC/Sabiex/ABG venture was something rather unusual. The goal was the construction of a prototype Heavy Infantry Fighting Vehicle (HIFV) which saw one OF 40 shipped to Sabiex in Belgium, dismantled and refurbished. The new prototype vehicle was partially completed in 2007, sufficiently for trails in Belgium to take place. The development work was done by 2010 and the completed vehicle shipped back to the UAE for desert trials. In the UAE, this vehicle is officially known as ‘the Golden Unit’ as a test prototype and, having passed its desert trials, was to then to proceed to 2nd stage development by STC. This further conversion work based on the Sabiex development was planned to take place at the production facilities of ABG in UAE, but had not started by mid-2010.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/3rNR3HL.png[/url])
Sabiex HIFV prototype hull on display.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/Op8TfUz.png[/url])
OF 40 MTU power pack reconditioned for use in the Sabiex HIFV.
Design
The OF 40 was a conventionally laid out tank with the Fiat-built (licensed) Motoren und Turbinen Union MB 838 CA M500 supercharged, liquid cooled, ten-cylinder multi-fuel diesel engine producing 830hp. The engine, transmission and drive were at the rear. The basic dimensions of the original OF 40 hull were retained as was 7 roadwheel layout with each pair of double wheels mounted onto a swing arm and torsion bar with hydraulic shock absorbers at the front and rear wheel stations.
The Sabiex design saw the reversal of the vehicle layout. The original OF 40 MTU type power pack was retained but now sat at the front of the vehicle allowing the rear to be converted for infantry use. Additionally, the placement of the engine in the front of the vehicle allows for additional protection over the frontal arc. This concept has been tried elsewhere with other tanks such as the Centurion in Jordan being reversed and turned into the Temsah. The only modification done in UAE other than adding the BMP-3 turrets appears to be some work on the exhaust louvers which are reduced from 5 to 3.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/UGfc7jr.png[/url])
Sabiex HIFV fitted with BMP-3 turret in the UAE. The modified exhaust louvres can be seen.
([url]http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Project-Sabiex-HIFV-The-Golden-Unit-edited-e1548163383262-1024x428.png[/url])
Illustration of the Sabiex HIFV, or ‘The Golden Unit’.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/mIyl7Pb.png[/url])
Close up of the drive sprocket from the Sabiex HIFV also shows the thickness of the front lower plate of the vehicle’s armor.
Protection
The vehicle is still made from all-welded steel armor for the hull and Sabiex claim protection is provided to STANAG 4569 level 5 with additional protection against the Russian TM-57 anti-tank mine. Significant additional protection has been added internally with a new inner armored bulkhead providing the whole of the sides with spaced armor. Significant additional protection on the floor of the vehicle is also provided with the elimination of the old driver’s escape hatch in the floor and a new floor put in place. The front lower part of the vehicle appears to be made from an outer layer of ~40 mm thick armor plate, and the nose is assumed to consist of a large section of spaced armor.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/CxRwnzd.png[/url])
Detail of new nose armor which has had the OF 40 headlamps (M60 style) fitted to it. The driver’s digital video camera driving aid can be seen behind it (the small whitish rectangle).
([url]https://i.imgur.com/n9eFHYW.png[/url])
Front view of the Sabiex HIFV hull in its two-tone desert camouflage pattern. This was later changed to an all- sand-yellow scheme in the UAE
Armament
The only information relating to armament is that the prototype was shown fitted with a surplus turret from one of the large number of BMP-3’s operated by the UAE. That BMP-3 turret is fitted with a 100mm 2A70 main gun, a 30mm 2A72 coaxial autocannon, and 7.62mm PKTM coaxial machine gun.
Had the program gone ahead, the Golden Unit would have been one of the most heavily armed and armored HIFV’s in the world.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/JaZTtIp.png[/url])
Drivers station seen from inside, looking towards what used to be the bulkhead between the fighting compartment and the engine bay. A turret is not fitted and the new flooring over the improved mine protected floor can be seen.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/44fEOWb.png[/url])
View of the right-hand side of the driver’s position during construction. The front of the vehicle is to the right and not the direction the fitter is facing or seated.
Crew
The Sabiex design calls for a crew of just two, one driver sat in the front left of the fighting compartment and a commander/gunner. Without the turret fitted, there is a large central space between the back of the driver and the four infantry seats, which could be used for a variety of purposes but, even with the turret fitted, the four rear seats remain. This would allow for up to 5 additional crew members with one assisting in the crewing of the BMP-3 turret. This would bring the maximum complement up to 2+5 with a turret. Access to the vehicle for the driver is via his own hatch but the infantry accesses the vehicle via the large power-operated rear ramp or the rightwards opening single door within the ramp. A rectangular hatch in the side of the right-hand side of the vehicle and other features include small video cameras at the front and back to assist the driver.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/BJbs7aM.png[/url])
View inside the Sabiex HIFV through the rear boor shows the thickness of the substantially improved floor to be mine resistant.
Weight
Operating without a turret the Sabiex HIFV has a mass of 35,000 kg, and 45,000 kg (45 tonnes) with the BMP-3 turret making it heavier than the OF 40 MBT on which it was based.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/Lz0EFtu.png[/url])
Sabiex IFV with BMP-3 turret fitted
([url]https://i.imgur.com/kEfyHcS.png[/url])
Elevated rear view of the Sabiex HIFV showing the considerable bulk of it. Two of the four infantry seats can be seen folded on the left.
Conclusion
The program began in 2005 and trials were conducted in Belgium in 2007. Further trials were conducted in 2010 in the UAE with work on converting the remaining OF 40 vehicle scheduled to commence at the ABG production facilities but never did. Following delivery of 436 Leclerc MBT and variants to the UAE from the French firm of Nexter Systems, all remaining OF 40 vehicles are officially withdrawn from service. Only one OF 40 is known to have been modified and the status of the program appears to be canceled. The status of the test vehicle is not known but is assumed to be in storage in the UAE. The Golden Unit as a prototype was successful and if the remaining stock had been converted, the UAE would have had a very well armed HIFV.
([url]https://i.imgur.com/HfEX0dv.png[/url])
Turretless Sabiex IFV during desert testing circa 2010
OPFOR Leopard II - posing as a T-72/80/90.
Is that a 140mm gun? Wonder what the ammo quantity impact would be?I think its the shorter German 120mm in the Leo 1 turret.
camouflage in "night-design" :smiley:That camouflage reminds me of the TRON and TRON: Legacy movie costumes. :smiley:
One I was not aware of:
One I was not aware of:Nor I ... good find! Apparently a Arsenale di Piacenza Leopard 1A2 mod with Oto Melara-built Bofors da 40/70. :smiley:
Anyone recognize the turret? Was it used elsewhere?
One I was not aware of:
(https://forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2020_01/312221942_Semoventeleopardantiaereo40mm.jpg.2c68c1238076607a1fc988374f755bf3.jpg)
(https://forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2020_01/2040213266_Semoventeleopardantiaereo1.jpg.9b905afc3606b4651d4ee2575cdefe24.jpg)
(https://forum.warthunder.com/uploads/monthly_2020_01/1027148321_Semoventeleopardantiaereo40mm2.jpg.268bc8bd51f4d1dbd096d8fe1e1944fe.jpg)
Looks a lot of an expensive tank chassis for a basic 40mm AAA arrangement! Maybe A Marder chassis I could understand, but a Leo1 chassis 😯
Thanks for the turret IDs Jeff and Greg :smiley:Looks a lot of an expensive tank chassis for a basic 40mm AAA arrangement! Maybe A Marder chassis I could understand, but a Leo1 chassis 😯
MAD: Apparently, this Bofors-on-Leo 1A2 was meant to accompany the Esercito's SIDAM 25 - an SPAAG consisting of four turreted Oerlikon KBAs on a M113 hull. The Italians didn't really have a Marder analogue at the time .
Not a tank per se, though it does have a Leo 1 turret: The Radpanzer 90:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/RadPz_90_Bild_110.jpg)
Does anyone know of any updated variant of the Motoren und Turbinen Union MB 838, with a higher horsepower than the 830hp that powered the Leopard 1?
Does anyone know of any updated variant of the Motoren und Turbinen Union MB 838, with a higher horsepower than the 830hp that powered the Leopard 1?
MAD
Does anyone know of any updated variant of the Motoren und Turbinen Union MB 838, with a higher horsepower than the 830hp that powered the Leopard 1?
AFAIK, the last update was the 'modernized' MTU MB 838 Ka-501. This engine put out 1,400-1,500 hp - compared with 830 hp for Leo 1's MB 838 CaM 500. MTU Friedrichshafen (now part of Rolls-Royce Power Systems, ex-Tognum) does build another 90-degree V10 - the Common Rail 10V2000 (M94) - but, at 22.3 litres displacement, it is much smaller.
MB 838 : Bore/stroke 165 mm/175 mm
10V2000: Bore/stroke 135 mm/156 mm
But MTU seems to regard the V10 layout as obsolete for tank applications - V12s being inherently better balanced. I note that the Indian Army also toys with replacing its Arjun MBT's dated MB 838 Ka-501s with a modern V12. In the Indian case, the V12 preference is for a more closely comparable Cummins QSK38 - 38 litres (159 mm/159 mm bore/stroke) producing 920-1,260 hp (1,600 bhp @ 1900 rpm).
I don't know the external dimensions for these engines. The Arjun is a big vehicle which may give the Indians more options than operators of Leopard 1 variants. If you are looking at modern applications and/or Leo 1 upgrades, probably better to ditch the old MB 838 and ZF 4HP250 in favour of a modern V12 and Renk transmission.
Does anyone know of any updated variant of the Motoren und Turbinen Union MB 838, with a higher horsepower than the 830hp that powered the Leopard 1?
MAD
Yes, supposedly the Indian Arjun tank is powered by a MTU MB 838 Ka-501 V10 putting out 1,400 hp. There is also the MB 838 Ca-501 used in the OF-40 Mk.3 putting out 950hp.
Leo3 shown above:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/leopard-3-a4.gif[/url])
Any chance of a Leo1 profile with a Bofors L74 105mm L/62 gun Greg???
M.A.D
I never knew there was a OF-40 Mk.3 variant of the OF-40 series🤔
Doesn't look like this has shown up here before (I looked but didn't see it);
Stealth Leopard 1
Proposed TAM with Leo 2 turret
Proposed TAM with Leo 2 turret
This is the proposed Tanque Argentino Pesado (TAP) which shared the stretched, 7-roadwheel hull of the TAM VCA 155 Palmaria self-propelled gun.
Hello,
TAM with Leo 2, I check it some years before, look here:
[url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1074.25[/url] ([url]http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=1074.25[/url]) It called TAP Tank.
In the past few weeks I have sent some Leopards to "Leopard Club":
[url]http://www.leopardclub.ca/ReadersModels/Diethelm_Berlage/[/url] ([url]http://www.leopardclub.ca/ReadersModels/Diethelm_Berlage/[/url])
Leo3 shown above:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/leopard-3-a4.gif[/url])
Any chance of a Leo1 profile with a Bofors L74 105mm L/62 gun Greg???
M.A.D
Leo3 shown above:
([url]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/leopard-3-a4.gif[/url])
Any chance of a Leo1 profile with a Bofors L74 105mm L/62 gun Greg???
M.A.D
Now Leo 2 in Slovakia. delivery December 19.
oh yes, a kit from the "Donar". And also testet on MLRS and german Boxer. Now the serial version on Boxer named RCH 155. I friend of me built these for the industry in 1/35 and 1/16.
I found the old pictures again. And I immediately digitized it. Testvehicle, ca 1975...
Hello,
I have one more unique. I knew I'd seen it in a book I was given. A picture when he was still doing well. ...
It's sad to see these old prototypes & experimentals left to rot or, possibly worse, hear of them being destroyed as some kind of range target or similar. :icon_crap:Agree mate!!
The Leopard 2A4 damaged in Zaporizhzhia earlier this week has been recovered and will be repaired . It looks like it lost some of its skirt, track and some wheels. The crew survived.
ETA - I think this is a different Leo, Frank
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1667145299473715200 (https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1667145299473715200)
There's video of a Bradley firing for cover, another Bradley runs over what looks like a devastating mine blast... and everybody gets out and gets into the next vehicle. Shit happens, especially in a tough environment like that. At least they weren't all in BMPs/BTRs and T-72s, and it's not comparable to the Russians in Vuldehar.
Rare Leopard 2A6 "Hölzern" destroyed by Russians:
The Leo 2A6 "Hölzern" was taken out by a Russian (Ланцет) Lancet kamikaze drone. I think they meant it as Lancet bait.
Wow - you could remove 90% of his analysis. Russians will focus on this Charlie Foxtrot until the last katsap limps onto what's left of the Kersh bridge. The Ukrainians/NATO will adapt - something the Russians aren't good at. The Ukrainians need to get at least local air superiority - Ka-52 shouldn't be allowed near firing range.
This was just a bad situation - tough mission, maybe the intelligence was faulty or they hit a pocket of slightly competent Russians - or some combination. I've been looking on Twitter to see if the equipment has been recovered - I don't see the Russians recovering them - they probably don't even remember where they planted the mines.
Elsewhere, the Russians seem to be doing a chaotic advance to the rear as the Ukrainians aggressively retreat forwards.
... what to do with a hull that has no turret ...
... what to do with a hull that has no turret ...
Time for a Minenräumpanzer Leopard 1 rebuild fitted with Keiler's flail gear?
Robotic version of...
Ukrainian sources refuse to confirm industrial espionage/sabotage of Moscow-based Cognitive Pilot.
Hi friends,
I also have 3 fire fighting variants from Leopards
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53154279501_b4e8a72d3e_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oZ4zqR)100_1417 (https://flic.kr/p/2oZ4zqR) by Diethelm Berlage (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142700047@N02/), auf Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53154485854_04f234b6a2_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oZ5CLE)100_1420 (https://flic.kr/p/2oZ5CLE) by Diethelm Berlage (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142700047@N02/), auf Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53153702987_32b7ce81a1_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2oZ1C3X)100_1424 (https://flic.kr/p/2oZ1C3X) by Diethelm Berlage (https://www.flickr.com/photos/142700047@N02/), auf Flickr
greetings,
Mardermann, he can also do Leopard´s
Commie vismods but what has seven roadwheels and four return idlers like that?
Commie vismods but what has seven roadwheels and four return idlers like that?
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Commie vismods but what has seven roadwheels and four return idlers like that?