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Modelling => Ideas & Inspiration => Land => Topic started by: Feldmarschall Zod on June 24, 2012, 08:04:28 AM

Title: Halftracks
Post by: Feldmarschall Zod on June 24, 2012, 08:04:28 AM
I was able to stop by The Heartland Military Vehicle Museum in Lexington,Nebraska today. Took a lot of pix. This one I thought was neat. An old American halftrack with a snowplow.The musuem did not have it long.
 (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/Zodster_2006/cht1.jpg)

The fuel tank and exhaust.
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/Zodster_2006/cht4.jpg)
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/Zodster_2006/cht2.jpg)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/Zodster_2006/cht5.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: GTX_Admin on June 24, 2012, 08:07:40 AM
Interesting find.
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: raafif on June 24, 2012, 09:31:30 AM
are we limited to US Mil. halftracks ?  I have a few pics of Ford Model-T ½-tracks.

Fire-engines ...
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: abtex on June 24, 2012, 10:47:10 PM
are we limited to US Mil. halftracks ?  I have a few pics of Ford Model-T ½-tracks.
Will you post please.
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: raafif on June 25, 2012, 06:34:42 AM
Ford Model-T tracks were an after-market accessory available in the 1910s.  This vehicle is one of several (sedan & commercial styles) that have been restored.  There is also a short 3-part video on the net (part of the Lombard ½-track logging site).

Ok, so my Double-T is an articulated full-track not a ½-trak :icon_nif:

Not to mention all the Russian (like the Tudor sedan below) & Citroen civil versions ....
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: Feldmarschall Zod on June 25, 2012, 08:14:58 AM
Raafif
Thanks for posting those pix. I grew up not too far from Philadelphia. I never knew their fire dept. used half tracks. 8)
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: raafif on June 25, 2012, 08:51:23 AM
newer 2012 vids of Model-T-snow, a 2½min & two 7+mins - watch the short one first.
http://antiquetrucksandtractors.wetpaint.com/videos (http://antiquetrucksandtractors.wetpaint.com/videos)

2011 vids of Model-T-snow & Lombard logging ½-track.
http://antiquetrucksandtractors.wetpaint.com/videos?offset=20&maxResults=20 (http://antiquetrucksandtractors.wetpaint.com/videos?offset=20&maxResults=20)

If you have RealPlayer you can download them for keeps.
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: Alvis 3.1 on June 25, 2012, 09:21:11 AM
Oh, fudge-bunnies! Here i was slowly working on a Firetruck halftrack, and now I see it's a real world reality? Nuts!

 :icon_crap:

Alvis 3.1
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: raafif on June 25, 2012, 04:57:03 PM
Oh, fudge-bunnies! Here i was slowly working on a Firetruck halftrack, and now I see it's a real world reality? Nuts!
 :icon_crap:
Alvis 3.1

You could always do a beach-rescue one (winch on front) with surfboard ... oh, no that's been done in RL too :icon_crap: :icon_crap:

Looks like there are no alternatives to whiff -- or are there  ;)
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: Logan Hartke on June 26, 2012, 02:11:37 AM
I love halftracks SO much!  That snowplow is awesome.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: Jacques Deguerre on June 27, 2012, 09:04:59 AM
Man, I'm loving these repurposed halftracks. The conversions for the early cars are very cool too. Come to think of it, I have a couple Revell '32 Ford Tudor sedans in the kit stash. Hmmm....
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: raafif on July 03, 2012, 01:48:13 PM
Half-track aircraft ......

        Yanks & Ruskis tried them ......
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: kitnut617 on July 03, 2012, 08:27:32 PM
Half-track aircraft ......

        Yanks & Ruskis tried them ......


I believe that was the test aircraft for the system that ended up on the B-36.  There's an aftermarket company called 'clicktodetail' that makes a very nice resin conversion to convert the 1/72 kit.

http://www.click2detail.com/products-details.php?pro_id=174 (http://www.click2detail.com/products-details.php?pro_id=174)
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: raafif on July 15, 2012, 07:56:49 AM
half-track still in (private) service .... suitably updated with new cab.
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: Feldmarschall Zod on July 15, 2012, 08:19:29 AM
half-track still in (private) service .... suitably updated with new cab.

That is cool. I wonder how much the cab and chassis was modified.
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: Jacques Deguerre on July 15, 2012, 09:36:42 AM
I recognize the front wheels as a heavy duty (maybe GM?) wheel I've seen on a lot of Chevy/GMC trucks. I'm guessing they used GM parts like the engine, transmission, axles/differentials, etc. to rebuild this halftrack but I wonder what they did to the frame.
Title: Re: Halftrack snowplow
Post by: raafif on August 30, 2012, 01:35:13 PM
a few more ....

top two are Iranian conversions

bottom one is Mad-Max cool :o
Title: Halftracks
Post by: dy031101 on November 25, 2015, 12:52:15 AM
Finally found pictures of the long-rumoured Iranian halftrack design here (http://www.military-today.com/apc/iranian_halftrack.htm).

I don't know.  It seems to me that Iranian engineers took some inspirations from Chinese armoured car designs.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 25, 2015, 02:50:06 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Logan Hartke on November 25, 2015, 04:02:01 AM
That's awesome. I love halftracks. It reminds me a bit of the Chilean Cardoen BMS-1 Alacrán.

(http://www.military-today.com/apc/alacran_l2.jpg)

As impractical as the concept might be, I love the idea of a modern halftrack. I saw this recently, too.

(http://www.lr-mad.co.uk/images/centaur/centaurbrochureinside.jpg)

Proposed variants of the Land Rover Centaur halftrack, including some armored ones.

http://www.lr-mad.co.uk/en/centaur-half-track (http://www.lr-mad.co.uk/en/centaur-half-track)

Thanks,

Logan
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Gingie on November 26, 2015, 07:11:39 AM
Cool! I see what looks to be a Mowag front end kinda-sorta on that Chilean halftrack!
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: raafif on January 07, 2016, 07:50:30 AM
I'l add my favourite ..... V.W. Typ-155 ...... I have over a dozen photos of these prototypes supplied to me by Porsche when I wrote the history for them.

In one biography for Ferry Porsche the author claimed that a Schwimmwagen was also used in the Typ-155 trials - hinting that it was also a half-track.
Unfortunately he got it wrong - the Schwimm had drum extensions on the wheels not tracks ....... or did it ??  ;)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: raafif on January 07, 2016, 12:17:02 PM
cut a half-track down to a full-track ?
APC based on a SdKfz-251 & SP gun on a Famo SdKfz-9 :D
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on January 08, 2016, 02:37:44 AM
I'l add my favourite ..... V.W. Typ-155 ...... I have over a dozen photos of these prototypes supplied to me by Porsche when I wrote the history for them.

In one biography for Ferry Porsche the author claimed that a Schwimmwagen was also used in the Typ-155 trials - hinting that it was also a half-track.
Unfortunately he got it wrong - the Schwimm had drum extensions on the wheels not tracks ....... or did it ??  ;)


One can get a number of kits/conversions for these:

(http://wpk-plastickits.eu/_obchody/plastikovemodely.shop5.cz/prilohy/3/vw-typ-155-schneeraupe-ausf-iii-plastikovy-model-m-0.jpg.big.jpg)(http://images.auctionhelper.com/images/10343//KORA/C3503A.jpg)(http://www.leadwarrior.com/images/L35203-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: raafif on January 08, 2016, 03:37:41 AM
I have the Leadwarrior conversion .... BEAUTIFUL !  Very finely cast resin that used my research :)

The Kora 1/35th version is a bit rough & has PE tracks.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: jcf on January 08, 2016, 05:06:20 AM
The 'half a 251' is reminiscent of the RA Dragons from the '20s-'30s.  ;)

(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/55/media-55258/large.jpg)

Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: raafif on January 08, 2016, 06:58:04 AM
Steyr half-track below seems to be a private conversion - note the skis front & rear .... and the massive spuds on the track links !!

Opel Kapitan with crawler-tracks (NSU Kettenrad parts), 1942. This car was part of a project by the WaffenAMT to improve traction of light vehicles in sand & snow - it seems that during the war, Stock Motorpflug AG Berlin were building NSU Kettenrads for the army & took part in the project.  Stock made motorcycles in Berlin until 1932 & are still in business in Heidelberg, Germany.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: kitnut617 on January 08, 2016, 09:37:45 PM

One can get a number of kits/conversions for these:



You could, in theory, make any of these half tracks

http://www.americantracktruck.com/index.php?page=videos-pictures (http://www.americantracktruck.com/index.php?page=videos-pictures)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: jcf on January 19, 2016, 07:15:00 AM
US Amphibious projects.

(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/AMPHIB_HLFTRK_01.png)
July 1942 'Pelican' project, 50' long, 400hp engine, water speed:8 mph, 20,000lbs (empty), 40,000lbs (loaded),
cargo space large enough to carry 6X6 truck. No full size built, but several scale models for tank tests.

(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/AMPHIB_HLFTRK_02.png)

(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/AMPHIB_HLFTRK_03.png)

(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/AMPHIB_HLFTRK_04.png)
May 1944 15 ton project, design and engineering by Sparkman & Stephens, Inc. 37,000 lbs (empty),
30,000lb payload. Continental R975 with Torqmatic transmission. Original design had five road-wheels
per side, later increased to six. 21" wide tracks as developed for T87 105mm howitzer motor carriage.
Front wheels were driven. Twp 28" diameter propellers for water propulsion. 30mph (land), 8mph (water).
Was to be designated T32.

(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/AMPHIB_HLFTRK_05.png)
Later revised arrangement with six roadwheels and rear hull profile modified to allow the vehicle to enter
an LST from the water.

- from Hunnicutt, Half-Track.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: jcf on January 20, 2016, 09:16:52 AM
Imperial Japanese Army Type 1 Ho-ha

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Type_1_Ho-Ha.jpg)

(http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/photo/japan/apc_ho-ha/ho-ha_5.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_1_Ho-Ha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_1_Ho-Ha)

http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/halftracks/japan/apc_ho-ha.htm (http://www.aviarmor.net/tww2/halftracks/japan/apc_ho-ha.htm)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Old Wombat on January 20, 2016, 10:27:53 AM
I just find the names of the Japanese APC & halftrack too amusing to take them seriously ...... Ho-Ki & Ho-Ha ...... Really? ;D
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: The Big Gimper on January 20, 2016, 07:03:11 PM
I just find the names of the Japanese APC & halftrack too amusing to take them seriously ...... Ho-Ki & Ho-Ha ...... Really? ;D

I find this to topic be more Ho-Hum.  :o
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Logan Hartke on January 20, 2016, 11:08:22 PM
That's some really sharp line art.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: jcf on January 21, 2016, 01:34:44 AM
That's some really sharp line art.

Cheers,

Logan

From Tank Power 11: Japanese Armor Vol. 3, Andrzej M Tomczyk, AJ Press 2003
Drawings by Slawomir Zajaczkowski.
The drawing is 7 views of the Ha-ho in 1/35. Several photos of the vehcile are also included

The bok also covers the amphibiious tanks (experimental and production), amphibious tractors,
halftrack, full track APCs and utility tractors and engineering vehicles. Interesting and off the wall
stuff.

 :icon_fsm:
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: kitnut617 on March 05, 2016, 08:55:27 AM
This just appeared on our newscast today
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 06, 2016, 02:43:40 AM
Here's one for you:  1925 Alfa Romeo RM Winter Sports Half Track

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/22/35/fc/2235fc264997f9135df34e88fa07ed78.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4a/7f/5c/4a7f5caede7d08a2ae84fe6240ecf496.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a2/09/e0/a209e0eaf0392f13dd7a4a170ff3b905.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 06, 2016, 02:44:12 AM
Then there's this...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c1/8a/75/c18a756c68c126ccb469ca7b9f1cee43.jpg)
(http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Fullscreen-capture-6292012-95517-PM.bmp.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 06, 2016, 02:46:35 AM
A couple more:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/cf/35/8a/cf358a2190b74571557582c4eaa36d87.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/93/72/6c/93726c7766d497f93d2b13c754b7d5fa.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/89/65/22/896522188741b07075a1edf0c266ae70.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-e3IP-O2A2FQ/UwY5TO3vlFI/AAAAAAAADxQ/eDCAmURIBzk/s1600/003+Another+initiative.+Half+track+experiment+stretched+imagination..jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 06, 2016, 03:05:06 AM
BTW, I think one of these:

(http://www.militarymodelling.com/sites/1/images/member_albums/42220/bronco1_35buffalo6x6mpcv%20(1).jpg)

Just screams to be given a half track conversion... ;)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 06, 2016, 03:08:02 AM
One more...

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/38/33/1a/38331af725c3c5210e762cab85b0261c.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: jcf on March 06, 2016, 02:24:07 PM
Couple of pages about the Citroen half-tracks:

http://www.citroenet.org.uk/utilities/autochenille/autochenille.html (http://www.citroenet.org.uk/utilities/autochenille/autochenille.html)

http://www.citroenet.org.uk/utilities/autochenille/autochenille-2.html (http://www.citroenet.org.uk/utilities/autochenille/autochenille-2.html)

(http://www.citroenet.org.uk/utilities/autochenille/1976-dc43-autochenille/11.jpg)

(https://deserttravels.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/citroen1922.jpg)

http://www.tbauto.org/cars/citroen_halftrack.htm (http://www.tbauto.org/cars/citroen_halftrack.htm)

"In the 1920s and 1930s Andre Citroen put his marketing expertise to use by sponsoring expeditions meant to show off the marriage of his body design with Kegresse's track system, as well as to demonstrate the ability of a half-track to cross extremely inhospitable land.

The first expedition (1922-1923) involved 12 people crossing the Sahara Desert from Toggourt, Algeria, to Timbuktu, Mali. It was the first exploration of that desert by motorcar.

The second, also known as La Croisiere Noire, traversed Africa from north to south, beginning on October 28th, 1924, and ending on June 26th, 1925.

The third, and most famous expedition, known both as the Citroen-Haardt Expedition and La Croisiere Jaune, commenced on April 4th, 1931 in Beirut, Lebanon, and followed Marco Polo's Silk Road route to Beijing, while seven other half-tracks left the Yellow Sea City of Tianjin to meet them part-way. The expedition was covered by publications such as National Geographic. The half-tracks survived Russian bureaucracy, arrest, bandits, rebels, severe weather, and the death of Georges-Marie Haardt, who succumbed to pneumonia at the end of the journey, but finally arrived in Beijing on December 2, 1932."

There was also an attempted crossing of Canada in 1934, La Croisiere Blanche, that failed because of the weather.
http://citroen-c4-c6.forumgratuit.org/t19-la-croisiere-blanche-canada (http://citroen-c4-c6.forumgratuit.org/t19-la-croisiere-blanche-canada)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: dogsbody on March 07, 2016, 05:04:28 AM
Here's an RAF David Brown tractor.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4367/36800585486_f5722dacfe_c.jpg)



Chris
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Frank3k on March 07, 2016, 06:34:30 AM
I thought of using a Steyr RSO as a post-war vehicle, maybe as a half-track. I assumed that there would be a large supply of partially wrecked trucks, tanks and tractors that could be combined into useful vehicles.
It turns out that the Germans did just that post-war, with the Waldschlepper 1500:

(http://s43.radikal.ru/i100/0909/9f/69f06f45ec17.jpg)

(http://www.maquetland.com/v2/images_articles2/images/waldschlepper_deutz_1500_avant_droit1.jpg)

Achim Icke Klinger built one in 1/35 using an RSO kit:
http://home.arcor.de/waldschlepp/waldschlepp/index.htm (http://home.arcor.de/waldschlepp/waldschlepp/index.htm)

Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on March 08, 2016, 03:15:32 AM

(https://deserttravels.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/citroen1922.jpg)


This one makes me think of doing a Beau Geste style armed French Foreign Legion Halftrack in North Africa - kind of an early version of the later LDG armed vehicles.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Logan Hartke on April 19, 2016, 05:13:59 AM
Because US halftracks are eternal, like the DC-3. I can't wait for the 2100s, when US halftracks in South America have adaptive camouflage and mount rail guns.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-l_ZSlRt_CzE/VXE-_xOQAHI/AAAAAAAAVuE/zu6ajit__wc/s1600/Dom%2BRep%2Bhalftrack.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Il1OnnNjUjw/VoYqMPtDVsI/AAAAAAAAaGc/qqituu7Ny3c/s1600/Dominicano%2BM3.jpg)

These appear to be M5A1s, to me.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: apophenia on April 21, 2016, 10:18:01 AM
Nice find Logan  :)

If the Ejército de República Dominicana is still keen on halftracks, how about adapting the M3/M5 suspension to the domestic Dominican RM-79 APC?
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: ChernayaAkula on April 21, 2016, 04:45:40 PM
Because US halftracks are eternal, like the DC-3. I can't wait for the 2100s, when US halftracks in South America have adaptive camouflage and mount rail guns.
<...>

That's some funny stuff right there!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Old Wombat on April 21, 2016, 10:54:05 PM
Dare I suggest a LAV-25 variant half-track? ???
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Logan Hartke on April 21, 2016, 11:13:02 PM
That looks great, apophenia! Almost like an M3/OT-810 hybrid.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 22, 2016, 02:11:11 AM
Here is a photo showing a prototype of a tank destroyer based on the Halftrack that was armed with six 105mm Czekalski recoilless guns.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/petrus_maximus/Misc/CITEFA-Canon_1.jpg)

The same I believe:

(http://www.militariarg.com/uploads/4/2/2/1/4221080/5272949.jpg?664)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 22, 2016, 02:12:04 AM
Modern(ish) Peruvian Halftrack:

(http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum_pic/Peru_Half-track_Saorbats_001.jpg)
(http://www.armyrecognition.com/forum_pic/Peru_Half-track_Saorbats_002.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: ChernayaAkula on April 22, 2016, 02:34:09 AM
^ Can't be Peruvian - it's got no Saggers on it! ;D

Dare I suggest a LAV-25 variant half-track? ???


Done!

LAV-25 half-track

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/LAV-25halftrack_zps85ba77f9.png)

LAV-25 three-quarter-track ( :P)

In both cases, the tracks were lifted from an M41 and are not to scale, going for looks only.

(http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/WhIf/LAV-25threequartertrack_zpsae500aac.png)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 22, 2016, 02:41:56 AM
^ Can't be Peruvian - it's got no Saggers on it! ;D


Are you going to argue with the guys in the back about it?

Love those LAV Halftracks - they need to be done in plastic!
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Weaver on April 22, 2016, 04:56:46 AM
The Lav-25 half-track is particularly credible, given that the LAV steers on it's front two pairs of wheels. It would be even better if the drive sprocket was at the front, thereby shortening and simplifying the drivetrain.

The 4x wheels + 2x tracks paradigm gets me wondering. Imagine if the four wheels were at the corners of the vehicle and the tracks in the middle. The wheels would give you the 'lift' neccessary to get over obstacles, which in turn would mean that the tracks' front and rear sprockets wouldn't need to be raised. that would give you more track contact area on the ground. You could put the drive sprocket above the centre of the track, the latter then having a triangular shape, and that would enable you to have it pivot freely around the drive sprocket axle liek the 'walking beam' suspension on the back of ENGASA AFVs and trucks.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Weaver on April 22, 2016, 04:59:29 AM
Knew that wasn't an entirely original idea:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2411/2307574670_348597f344_o.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/2306773073_628ff12250_o.jpg)

From here: http://tanks.torensma.net/index.php?page.id=9&article.id=56&&PHPSESSID=23cf47ebb15a431f8e2cf00b1205ca64 (http://tanks.torensma.net/index.php?page.id=9&article.id=56&&PHPSESSID=23cf47ebb15a431f8e2cf00b1205ca64)


Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 23, 2016, 04:01:16 AM
That's Ob'yekt 19, one of the developments that led to the BMP-1.  The tracks were/are retractable.

(http://www.amphibiousvehicle.net/amphi/R/Rubtsovsk-Obyekt-19/Obyekt-19-01.jpeg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 23, 2016, 04:04:28 AM
And speaking of BMP-1 developments, does Ob'yekt 911 count as a half track?  It had 4 retractable wheels for high speed road travel.

(http://otvaga.narod.ru/Otvaga/armour-rus-obj/ob911_2.jpg)
(http://otvaga.narod.ru/Otvaga/armour-rus-obj/ob911_1.jpg)
(http://otvaga.narod.ru/Otvaga/armour-rus-obj/ob911.gif)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: jcf on April 23, 2016, 05:38:42 AM
And speaking of BMP-1 developments, does Ob'yekt 911 count as a half track?  It had 4 retractable wheels for high speed road travel.

No, it's a 'convertible' just like a number of between the wars experiments.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on April 23, 2016, 06:03:36 AM
Fair enough.
Video showing both in operation here:
https://www.zhuatieba.com/video/XMzkzMDYxMjg0&usg=ALkJrhjetWtcAB3ZNIwWLR75r6in2I9-iw (https://www.zhuatieba.com/video/XMzkzMDYxMjg0&usg=ALkJrhjetWtcAB3ZNIwWLR75r6in2I9-iw)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Logan Hartke on April 11, 2018, 02:02:40 PM
Here's something I cobbled together recently...

Logan's Profiles - SdKfz 231 Halbkettenfahrzeug (http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=144.msg140069#msg140069)

(By the way, I'm posting it in multiple threads since you never know where someone might be looking for inspiration months from now.)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Story on May 01, 2020, 02:45:39 AM
Never mind the Nazis, here's the Traclat (Tracked Light Artillery Tractor)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sd.Kfz._7#British_Improved_Copy

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/85/66/96/856696ab0d9be47781059ea159bc0f04.jpg)

See also https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/UK/vauxhall-BT-three-quarter-track-traclat
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on May 02, 2020, 04:49:30 AM
A different sort of 'halftrack':  the Vickers-Wolseley Wheel Track Tank.  This odd vehicle experimental was designed by Vickers in 1927 on the basis of Wolseley truck. This machine which resembles to armoured car more, tracked however, never was produced in series. It was equipped in front as with the back with a wheeled-unit to allow the vehicle, on road, to travel more quickly and to save its tracks. This vehicle had a crew of 4 men and weighed 7.5 tons. It was propelled by an engine 6 cylindes Wolseley developing 120 hp what enabled it on its wheels to reach the 40 km/h and on its tracks the 24 km/h. The armament consisted of 3 machine-guns .303 (7.7 mm) Vickers with water cooling.

(http://www.felixshara.com/wp-content/uploads/Vickers-wheel-cum-track-tank.png)(http://www.felixshara.com/wp-content/uploads/Vickers-Wolseley-WT-1-FS.jpg)
(http://www.felixshara.com/wp-content/uploads/Vickers-wheel-cum-track-Reconnaissance-Car-1926.jpg)
(http://www.felixshara.com/wp-content/uploads/Vickers-wheel-cum-track-Reconnaissance-Car-1926-1.jpg)
(http://www.felixshara.com/wp-content/uploads/1FS-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 19, 2020, 03:06:55 AM
https://armouredarchives.com/blog/laird-centaur
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: kitnut617 on October 19, 2020, 03:16:44 AM
The farmers around here are right into half tracks --

This was at the Massey Ferguson dealership in the little town near my place.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Story on September 01, 2021, 01:47:16 AM
Experimental Tank Destroyer
(https://i.imgur.com/6MuHvN2.jpg)

Turns out it's a T5/ M1 Motor Gun Carriage, 90mm
(https://i.imgur.com/AYLcxIT.jpg)

The first to get underway was the T1 3in Gun Motor Carriage. This mounted a 3in anti-tank gun on a chassis based on the Cleveland Tractor Co high speed tractor, an aircraft towing vehicle used by the USAAF. Work began at the end of 1940, and the T1 was standardized in November 1941 as the M5 3in gun motor carriage.

The M5 was powered by a 160hp Hercules diesel engine. The 3in gun was mounted at the back of the vehicle, with an open gun shield. There was no crew platform, and the crew operated the gun from the ground behind the vehicle.

The resulting vehicle was disliked by Brigadier-General Andrew Bruce, commander of the Tank Destroyer force. He refused to accept the M5 for his tank destroyer battalions, and instead wanted the M3 75mm Gun Motor Carriage, which was based on a half-track personnel carrier. Although work on this project only began in June 1941 it was standardized in October 1941 and was much more popular than the M5. As a result the M5 programme was cancelled before the start of series production.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: kitnut617 on September 01, 2021, 02:23:23 AM
Looks like it's lost it's front wheels   ;)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: jcf on September 01, 2021, 07:39:57 AM
Based on the Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor, not a half-track.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Cletrac_M2_High_Speed_Tractor%2C_The_American_Air_Museum%2C_Imperial_War_Museum%2C_Duxford._%2830725937230%29.jpg/1024px-Cletrac_M2_High_Speed_Tractor%2C_The_American_Air_Museum%2C_Imperial_War_Museum%2C_Duxford._%2830725937230%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: kim margosein on September 01, 2021, 11:43:32 AM
Looks like it belongs on the post apocalypse thread.  First time I saw an experimental vehicle loaded down with crapola. :icon_fsm:
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Story on September 01, 2021, 12:04:30 PM
Based on the Cletrac M2 High Speed Tractor, not a half-track.
 

So it is.
https://theironmule.blogspot.com/2017/06/cletracs-m-2-high-speed-tractor.html

How about this - we imagine the lower half is from the M3 halftrack. That's still inspiration, isn't it?
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: jcf on September 03, 2021, 02:33:30 AM
Monogram included a very simple 1/48th scale M2 in their 1/48th B-24.

The Lindbergh 1/48 Northrop Snark also has an M2, it’s far better than
the Monogram version having an actual suspension with separate road
wheels, and tracks etc. rather than the all moulded in one of the Monogram.

Resin and 3D printed versions are available in 1/72nd, 1/48th and 1/35th.
Commander does the only 1/35th in a normal resin kit. $$££€€

The T1 was standardized for production as the M5 3” Gun Motor Carriage, but
didn’t go into production or service because it had already been surpassed in
the role.
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Story on November 20, 2021, 05:03:03 AM

The Lindbergh 1/48 Northrop Snark also has an M2, it’s far better than
the Monogram version having an actual suspension with separate road
wheels, and tracks etc. rather than the all moulded in one of the Monogram.

Huh. I wonder how many of those tractors were unbuilt, and languished/tossed?
https://archive.aeroscale.net/review/15239/index.htm (https://archive.aeroscale.net/review/15239/index.htm)

(https://cs.finescale.com/resized-image.ashx/__size/1000x0/__key/telligent-evolution-components-attachments/13-49-00-00-01-52-23-44/19.jpg)

I can't even find out what gun was mounted, it's that obscure. Then again, that leaves a lot of latitude for a build.

COMMANDERS models had a 1/35th kit over a decade ago
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/commander-models-1-060-m2-high-speed-tractor-cletrac--359087 (https://www.scalemates.com/kits/commander-models-1-060-m2-high-speed-tractor-cletrac--359087)

Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Story on November 20, 2021, 05:25:25 AM
Experimental Tank Destroyer
(https://i.imgur.com/6MuHvN2.jpg)

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaah, couldn't be.... 1949, you say? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASU-57)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/1458/24211505643_c6d4bc2ea6_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Gingie on November 22, 2021, 01:35:53 AM
Anyone recall the resin (3d printed maybe?) set of "bolt on" snow tracks, designed to fit a standard 4x4?
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on November 22, 2021, 02:32:30 AM
Anyone recall the resin (3d printed maybe?) set of "bolt on" snow tracks, designed to fit a standard 4x4?


Did you mean these 3D printed track sets?:
(https://images1.sw-cdn.net/product/picture/710x528_25187591_13719027_1597510438_1_0.jpg) (http://shpws.me/QMrU)
Image source - Shapeways > Hephaestus Design Studio > Truck Track Right Side - 1/24 scale (http://shpws.me/QMrU)

Click on html or image to view products at Shapeways

(https://images3.sw-cdn.net/product/picture/710x528_25187637_13719065_1597510394_1_0.jpg) (http://shpws.me/QMrT)
Image source - Shapeways > Hephaestus Design Studio > Truck Track Left Side - 1/24 scale (http://shpws.me/QMrT)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Gingie on November 22, 2021, 06:18:56 AM
Very similar, although something made me think they were 1/35 on a Humvee
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: jcf on November 22, 2021, 10:30:23 AM
From the same designer in 1/35th, $23.71 for the set of four:
https://www.shapeways.com/product/46ZY6C5EV/track-set-for-wheeled-vehicles?optionId=63206700&li=marketplace (https://www.shapeways.com/product/46ZY6C5EV/track-set-for-wheeled-vehicles?optionId=63206700&li=marketplace)

(https://images1.sw-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=85,gravity=auto,format=auto,fit=scale-down,width=1920/product/picture/710x528_19583743_11352965_1597588874_1_0.jpg)

(https://images1.sw-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=85,gravity=auto,format=auto,fit=scale-down,width=1920/product/picture/710x528_19583691_11352965_1500501399_1_0.jpg)

Personally speaking I think the 1/24th scale track assemblies would look better on a 1/35th vehicle,
especially if doing a halftrack.

Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Gingie on November 24, 2021, 02:35:34 AM
Ah, its for 4 - OK! Yes, plan would be to install the 24th scale on a 35th Lav-II 4x4
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 27, 2022, 10:19:23 PM
BTR-M3: Study for an APC

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/BTR-M3.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds) (http://"https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/j340/ysi_maniac/BTR-M3.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds")
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: kitnut617 on November 27, 2022, 10:53:20 PM
From the same designer in 1/35th, $23.71 for the set of four:
[url]https://www.shapeways.com/product/46ZY6C5EV/track-set-for-wheeled-vehicles?optionId=63206700&li=marketplace[/url] ([url]https://www.shapeways.com/product/46ZY6C5EV/track-set-for-wheeled-vehicles?optionId=63206700&li=marketplace[/url])

([url]https://images1.sw-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=85,gravity=auto,format=auto,fit=scale-down,width=1920/product/picture/710x528_19583743_11352965_1597588874_1_0.jpg[/url])

([url]https://images1.sw-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/quality=85,gravity=auto,format=auto,fit=scale-down,width=1920/product/picture/710x528_19583691_11352965_1500501399_1_0.jpg[/url])

Personally speaking I think the 1/24th scale track assemblies would look better on a 1/35th vehicle,
especially if doing a halftrack.


And the real things

http://www.americantracktruck.com/ (http://www.americantracktruck.com/)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on December 17, 2022, 10:56:03 AM
Short video about early British/UK half-track vehicle development:
YouTube > Armoured Archives > Bedford Traclat Halftrack Design & Development (https://youtu.be/P18htZhsPmw)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: Story on September 13, 2023, 11:57:40 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a3/5d/db/a35ddbd1a90848497d655f8ad56c73d0.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on September 14, 2023, 12:46:47 AM
 :smiley:
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: GTX_Admin on February 05, 2024, 12:34:49 AM
Size comparison

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8f/98/8d/8f988d9a21ef910f02c3a3d21a9ff2a8.jpg)
Title: Re: Halftracks
Post by: raafif on February 05, 2024, 07:26:27 AM
If they all look the same just count the number & shape of the wheel holes - that will tell you what size / model halftrack it is.