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Modelling => Completed GBs => Group and Themed Builds => The Scottish Independence GB => Topic started by: GTX_Admin on July 06, 2013, 03:38:23 AM

Title: Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 06, 2013, 03:38:23 AM
(http://blog.old-and-bold.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Mac-Independent-Scotland.jpg)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on July 06, 2013, 03:58:15 AM
Scottish specific body armour?

(http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/colinpark_photo/firearms/Shot%20show/Shot%20show%202012/DSCN1219.jpg)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 06, 2013, 04:02:00 AM
Tartan patterns were used as a form of camouflage at some point in the past.  So with that being said, a Tartan Camouflage Scheme for uniforms, vehicles and aircraft would make for an interesting change. 


Links for Tartans:

Wikipedia - Tartans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan)
Wikipedia - Border tartan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_tartan)
Strategy Page - Scottish tartans: the first camouflage? (http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/1-5658.aspx)
Clan MacQuarrie Society - The History of Tartans (http://www.clanmacquarrie.org/tartan_history.htm)
Tartan Camouflage (http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f165/tartan-camouflage-34526/)

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Of course, one would be remiss without sharing this video clip from Space Balls: "Gone to Plaid"

GONE PLAID (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP6DXoNKITc#)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: raafif on July 06, 2013, 05:01:38 AM
I've often wondered why most British racing cars of the 30s,40s,50s & 60s had tartan seat covering  ???  ???  ???  any theories ?
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: raafif on July 07, 2013, 06:03:52 AM
not quite Tartan .... just plaid
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/8/4/2121484.jpg)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on July 07, 2013, 07:57:40 AM
The VW Golf GTI still does
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Vuk on July 07, 2013, 03:14:50 PM
Uuuuhm... I post these photos recently, but no one responded  ???

(Re: Just some cool photos...nothing more, nothing less...
« Reply #241 on: June 21, 2013, 09:06:14 PM »)

So, there it is again... Second prototype of Bulldog trainer in colors of Scottish Air Force.
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: finsrin on July 07, 2013, 03:40:57 PM
Find myself wondering if it can carry light weight 1/2-to-3/4 scale Sidewinder on each wing ?
Maybe with moderate HP increase in engine.
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: tsrjoe on July 07, 2013, 07:47:41 PM
https://www.facebook.com/settings?ref=mb# (https://www.facebook.com/settings?ref=mb#)!/dinojoecosse/media_set?set=a.4789044365509.1073741829.1277845094&type=3

the 2nd prototype Bulldog is currently on display at the Royal Scottish Museum, Chambers St. Edinburgh

the original demonstrator, in a neat blue/white scheme (similar to the red/white one used by the RAF.) is displayed at the Museum of Flight, East Fortune alongside a SA. Twin Pioneer and SA. Scamp electric car  8)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on July 07, 2013, 09:57:10 PM
Swedish Bulldogs carried armament, including Bofors Bantam ATGWs.

Sidewinders might be pushing it, but Stingers or Mistrals should be doable.
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: kitnut617 on July 07, 2013, 10:38:16 PM
Any military Jetstream would be a good choice, Coast Guard or Fisheries maybe ---
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on July 08, 2013, 01:00:18 AM
For a slightly more exotic, but perfectly sensible choice, how about a handful of these for coastal patrol?

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Amodel-1-144-Model-Kit-1461-PZL-M-28-SKYTRUCK-/00/s/Mjk5WDUwMA==/$(KGrHqZHJE0FB5kml8eCBQoBI9HvLg~~60_12.JPG)

This version has PT-6A-65 engines, search radar and FLIR, but not the more aggressive ASW fit of the Bryza 1RM bis model. A few of the basic transport version would be good for ferrying troops and equipment out to the various islands too.
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: tsrjoe on July 08, 2013, 08:14:33 AM
SA. 'tandem Bulldog' development project (note 6 round Matra rp pods underwing)

(C JWC collection)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: jcf on July 09, 2013, 04:35:02 AM
I've often wondered why most British racing cars of the 30s,40s,50s & 60s had tartan seat covering  ???  ???  ???  any theories ?

Not unique to Brit racing cars, nor is plaid/tartan unique to the British Isles, it was common
throughout Celtic and German Europe. The ancient Celtic mummies found in Western
China were buried in tartan clothing.

Of course the funny thing about tartans is that many of the notions associated with them
in terms of meanings, purposes and clan patterns are Victorian and later inventions.
 ;D
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Daryl J. on September 28, 2013, 12:27:29 PM
The following has no truth in it whatsoever:

Time frame: 1955-1960-ish

While it never was published, Tintin reported on further skirmishes between Arabex and Skoil over their westernmost oil plays in what is now Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya.   After significant disruptions of oil supplies to parts of Western Europe reached a certain disconcerting level, the respective air forces and peacekeeping armies of the British Nations were brought in to restore order.  The English and Irish had their hands full in Egypt.  As the Welsh Air Force was based principally in Morocco where most action was handled by the USAF,  much of their time was spent singing.   However the Scottish Air Force had most of the action in North Central Africa.  Generals Gillespie, Stuart, and McDowell's men were noted for their strength and courage in battle with their motley group of aircraft  before returning from sweat and sand to peated Whisky and cool salted air.

Sea Venom, Wyvern, Swift, and Scimitar: sand yellow top, light sand undersides, Scottish flag on outer wing, vertical tail.  Heavily weathered by the time duty was transferred back to the UK.  Noted pilots: Smith, Brown, Wilson, and Campbell.

Presumption:  national prides existed between the nations of the UK, but the animosity levels were more akin to those between Minnesota, Washington State, California, and Ohio. 

Silly Daryl Hopes:  Airfix do the Vampire and Venom series plus the Swift and Scimitar in 1:48. 
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: JP Vieira on October 03, 2013, 04:45:12 AM
Hello
Here is a profile I did sometime ago; just for inspiration

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1/JPVieira_2006/LightSAF.jpg)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Vuk on October 03, 2013, 04:06:42 PM
I think that You have made a mistake. You should sign it as a competitor, not as an inspiration!

 :)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Claymore on October 04, 2013, 05:35:20 AM
Hello
Here is a profile I did sometime ago; just for inspiration

Wow, very nice.  I like your take on the Scottish thistle roundel.  :)

Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 05, 2013, 02:39:09 AM
Love it! :)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on October 06, 2013, 05:12:38 AM
I'm toying with the idea of a Scottish Civil War (following or even leading to independence) between the various Whisky distilleries...
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Old Wombat on October 06, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
I think that You have made a mistake. You should sign it as a competitor, not as an inspiration!

I agree, Vuk, it's an awesome profile :D, but JP is right it can only be an inspiration (note the highlighted text below);

Here is a profile I did sometime ago; just for inspiration

An entry has to be built (pretty much) from scratch during the period of the GB, so this profile, great as it is, doesn't qualify.

:)

Guy
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Vuk on October 07, 2013, 06:35:12 PM
Well, it seems that it's a time for me to visit ophthalmologist again...
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: JP Vieira on October 08, 2013, 12:51:07 AM
Thanks for the comments; as Guy pointed out, as this was done sometime ago, it can't enter the competition. Lack of time on my part doesn't help either :)
This was done some months ago: I was toying with an idea to create airforces's roundels.
I imagine if some countries had their Air Forces constituted by several elements with their own roundels and markings: in this "what-if" the RAF was constitued by the English, Scotish, Welsh and Northern Ireland Air Forces; this could be apllyed to other countries was well...
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: perttime on October 15, 2013, 03:17:21 AM
I see people building 'murican fighters for Scotland.
I think a MiG could work...

There seems to be some agreement on what Scottish "roundels" should look like.
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: father ennis on October 15, 2013, 06:17:13 AM
No comrade ,should be SU-47 Berkut. !!!!   
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: JP Vieira on October 16, 2013, 04:30:48 AM
Hello
another one for inspiration

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1/JPVieira_2006/F-16Scotcopy.jpg)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Claymore on October 16, 2013, 04:50:08 AM
Hello
another one for inspiration

Dude, I am inspired!  :)

I hope you don't mind me borrowing your excellent roundel image for my own decals. 
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on October 16, 2013, 05:41:42 AM
Hello
another one for inspiration

([url]http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1/JPVieira_2006/F-16Scotcopy.jpg[/url])

That is one sharp looking yard dart you have created. 
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: JP Vieira on October 16, 2013, 04:56:33 PM

Dude, I am inspired!  :)

I hope you don't mind me borrowing your excellent roundel image for my own decals.

Borrow away :) Looking forward to see your work
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: JP Vieira on October 16, 2013, 04:57:18 PM

That is one sharp looking yard dart you have created.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: father ennis on October 17, 2013, 06:03:08 AM
I was wondering, would it be possible for someone to produce some decals for those of us without the computer or skills to do it for ourselves ?  I could use some in 1/144 scale. I got a sweet jet to put them on in my stash.  I would pay or trade for them. 
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Claymore on October 17, 2013, 06:17:31 AM
I was wondering, would it be possible for someone to produce some decals for those of us without the computer or skills to do it for ourselves ?  I could use some in 1/144 scale. I got a sweet jet to put them on in my stash.  I would pay or trade for them.

What are you looking for in particular?  1/144 scale is going to be small!
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: father ennis on October 18, 2013, 07:13:22 AM
I'm thinking that I would build an SU-47 Berkut . The stars on the decal sheet are 1cm across and the two diver number is 5mm X 5mm. There aren't many markings for the kit other than that.  These are about the size of markings for 1/72-1/76 AFV's if not smaller.  If you are interested HMU and we can work out a deal.
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Claymore on October 22, 2013, 12:30:06 AM
I'm thinking that I would build an SU-47 Berkut . The stars on the decal sheet are 1cm across and the two diver number is 5mm X 5mm. There aren't many markings for the kit other than that.  These are about the size of markings for 1/72-1/76 AFV's if not smaller.  If you are interested HMU and we can work out a deal.

Done and in the post!  :)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: father ennis on October 22, 2013, 06:55:24 AM
Hot diggity dog !!!!!!!!!!!   I can't wait for it to arrive.     :icon_fsm:
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on November 15, 2013, 06:39:54 AM
A little late for inspiration, I guess, but someone linked to a document published a couple days ago that I found pretty interesting.

http://www.scottishglobalforum.net/uploads/2/2/6/1/22614014/stn_report.pdf (http://www.scottishglobalforum.net/uploads/2/2/6/1/22614014/stn_report.pdf)

It's surprisingly well-done and specific, too.  For instance:

Quote
A fast jet aircraft capability

A Scottish Air Force (SAF) should have a squadron of fast jet multi-role aircraft, tasked principally with the air defence of Scotland, including Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) flights. These craft should be versatile in scope so that they can also be tasked, if required, to deploy in support of NATO operations. This squadron should number between 15 and 20 aircraft, including a flight operating normally in the operational conversion unit role.

In terms of preferred type, a newly independent Scotland might well be offered a ‘proportional share’ of the UK’s fleet of Typhoon jets as part of its share of UK inherited assets (UKIA).35 However, this may not necessarily be the most appropriate option for Scotland and Sc0ttish planners should be careful not to be seduced by the appeal of equipment which may well be ‘high-end’ but which is also expensive and whose capabilities might be considered superfluous to what Scotland actually needs. The government of a newly independent Scotland should also be wary of entering into military agreements with rUK which may give the impression of continued Scottish ‘dependency’, or which have the potential to push Scotland towards solutions which are not in its best interests.

A newly independent Scotland might be best advised to reject the Typhoon as an option for its air defence as they are costly to buy (around £70 million per aircraft) and maintain. A more prudent choice might lie in an alternative multirole fighter jet such as the Saab Gripen which can cost around half of what a Typhoon costs and is nonetheless a highly regarded aircraft which is currently favoured by, amongst others, the Swedish, Czech and Swiss Governments.

An independent Scotland’s fast jet force would perhaps be smaller than the fast jet forces currently maintained by states such as Denmark but it should be noted that many states are currently reviewing their future requirements for fast jets with a view to downsizing fleets.

Scotland’s squadron should be supported by a 15-aircraft squadron of jet aircraft of the Hawk 200 type, or similar. These aircraft could carry out some air-policing and other similar tasks most cost-effectively and they would also act as an advanced jet trainer for SAF pilots. Whilst we disagree with the contention that Hawk could meet all of an independent Scotland’s requirements, we do agree that as part of the SAF’s development, Hawk could provide an effective early component of a newly independent Scotland’s air policing capability.


Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: jcf on November 19, 2013, 02:51:45 AM
That cracks me up, defense against whom exactly? Norway? Iceland? The Faroes?
 ;D
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 19, 2013, 03:11:50 AM
That cracks me up, defense against whom exactly? Norway? Iceland? The Faroes?
 ;D

No, the RAF..............
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: perttime on November 19, 2013, 03:43:01 AM
That cracks me up, defense against whom exactly? Norway? Iceland? The Faroes?
... an excellent question that dozens of countries in Europe, America, Africa, Asia, and Oceania would do well to ponder upon...

Like, who exactly does France want to defend itself against?
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on November 19, 2013, 04:46:07 AM
I agree with perttime on this one.  That document isn't proposing anything more than what Denmark has, and they aren't generally considered a militaristic state.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 19, 2013, 04:49:52 AM
That cracks me up, defense against whom exactly? Norway? Iceland? The Faroes?
... an excellent question that dozens of countries in Europe, America, Africa, Asia, and Oceania would do well to ponder upon...

Like, who exactly does France want to defend itself against?

Historically that'd be the UK...........  :)
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Old Wombat on November 21, 2013, 09:08:05 AM
... an excellent question that dozens of countries in Europe, America, Africa, Asia, and Oceania would do well to ponder upon...

Which is why I, for one, wonder why Australia doesn't drop out of the F-35 program & go with the faster, longer range, higher performance &, above all, cheaper Rafale option.

My guess is that the techno-geeks have got their hands on RAAF procurement operations, again.

:)

Guy
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: GTX_Admin on November 21, 2013, 03:33:53 PM

Which is why I, for one, wonder why Australia doesn't drop out of the F-35 program & go with the faster, longer range, higher performance &, above all, cheaper Rafale option.


Because the F-35 is far far better.  Or to put it another way, if the Rafale was so good how come only France has selected them despite having been available for more than a decade now? 
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Volkodav on November 21, 2013, 05:04:44 PM
... an excellent question that dozens of countries in Europe, America, Africa, Asia, and Oceania would do well to ponder upon...

Which is why I, for one, wonder why Australia doesn't drop out of the F-35 program & go with the faster, longer range, higher performance &, above all, cheaper Rafale option.

My guess is that the techno-geeks have got their hands on RAAF procurement operations, again.

:)

Guy

Probably the same reason we built Vampires instead of CAC CA15s
Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Weaver on November 21, 2013, 08:14:23 PM
Quote
A fast jet aircraft capability

Scotland’s squadron should be supported by a 15-aircraft squadron of jet aircraft of the Hawk 200 type, or similar. These aircraft could carry out some air-policing and other similar tasks most cost-effectively and they would also act as an advanced jet trainer for SAF pilots. Whilst we disagree with the contention that Hawk could meet all of an independent Scotland’s requirements, we do agree that as part of the SAF’s development, Hawk could provide an effective early component of a newly independent Scotland’s air policing capability.[/size][/font]

Cheers,

Logan

Yes, that's well-researched: a Hawk 200 is a single seater, so how can it act as an advanced jet trainer?

The proposal for one squadron of fast jets is pretty sound and is the basis for my own 2nd hand F-16s idea. If an independent scotland joins NATO, then I suspect their best bet training-wise would be to use the NFTS Canada system rather than buying a small training fleet of their own, at least initially, since this would help reduce the one-off setup costs of establishing their own forces.


BTW Logan: the link to the full article isn't working, at least not for me.

Title: Re: Inspiration
Post by: Logan Hartke on November 22, 2013, 12:44:14 AM
Yeah, they clearly meant the 120-series.  As for the link, it changed places, but I found it and fixed it.

http://www.scottishglobalforum.net/uploads/2/2/6/1/22614014/stn_report.pdf (http://www.scottishglobalforum.net/uploads/2/2/6/1/22614014/stn_report.pdf)

Cheers,

Logan