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Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« on: April 29, 2012, 06:13:05 AM »
Hi folks,

A thread for your Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration.

To begin with, what a bout a scale-o-ramed fighter based upon a Tu-22?

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2012, 06:15:52 AM »
Another...Delta Tu-22:

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2012, 09:18:32 AM »
I've got an early resin kit of a "Tu-26 Backfire" from the early 1980s with TU-22-style cockpits.  It's lacking inlets so I'm going to add inlets like the Tu-22M3 and hang long-range AAMs under the wings as a "Tu26P" interceptor.  It will be in PVO Strany markings but I'm not sure what the NATO Codename{/i] will be.  If my tongue was lodged firmly in cheek, it would be Fireback.

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2012, 10:49:56 AM »
I have toyed with the idea of a Tu-22MP long range ultra interceptor.  This would comprise of a Tu-22M3 but with Zalson derived AESA radar (from MiG-31 but better) plus a heap of R-33/R-37 missiles in both internal weapons bay and underwing pylons.  Crew would comprise pilot, nav/EW office + 2 WSOs responsible for the offensive load.  Idea would be for this to be the ultimate replacement for the Tu-128 and able to take on whole waves of enemy bombers or cruise missiles.
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2012, 12:50:54 PM »
I have toyed with the idea of a Tu-22MP long range ultra interceptor. <...> the ultimate replacement for the Tu-128 and able to take on whole waves of enemy bombers or cruise missiles.

That... or as an escort for packages of anti-shipping Backfires.   >:D To target the fleet-defending E-2 Hawkeyes and F-14 Tomcats, making life easier for ship-pounding Badgers and Backfires. Either with proper AAMs as you suggest or with a dedicated version of the AS-9 Kyle ARM specifically targeting the radars of Hawkeyes and Tomcats. Or maybe an AAM version of either the AS-4 Kitchen or AS-6 Kingfish with their ultra-long range?
I'd think taking out a Hawkeye or two could seriously impact the counter-air capabilities of a carrier battle group.
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2012, 01:03:32 PM »
I think an AAM based on the AS-4 or AS-6 would be overkill plus limiting in capacity.
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2012, 01:22:35 PM »
Yes, for the Tomcats definitely. But for taking out an important asset such as an E-2 (or an E-3 out of the UK or Iceland)? Still a stretch, but might be worth it.

Maybe an AAM version of the AS-16 Kickback? Still very long range and fantastic speed, but with up to six rounds in a rotary launcher in the bomb bay.
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2012, 01:29:43 PM »
Maybe, but I doubt it would be that effective...maybe too big to be manoeverable enough.  I might simple add a long rang booster to a R-33 or R-37 to achieve the same.  In fact apparently the R-37M has a jettisonable rocket booster that increases the range to "300-400km".
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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2012, 09:28:42 PM »


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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2012, 02:35:54 AM »
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2012, 02:41:09 AM »
Maybe a fast executive transport based upon the Blinder?

Or alternately, a standoff recon platform version of the Tu-22 or Tu-22M that uses a Recon RPV derivative of the Kh-22 (AS-4 Kitchen).  This would replace the warhead with a sensor package.  It would be launched near the target, go in and collect data and then turn around and get recovered in friendly territory.
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2012, 02:41:35 AM »
Just a cool, inspiring picture:

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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2012, 03:33:27 AM »
Talk about an understatement!!!  That's a digital creation of some sort isn't it?  Looks way to polished for a real photo.  Where did you find it?!
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2012, 03:40:14 AM »
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2012, 04:35:09 AM »
A fighter version of the Backfire would have played merry hell with the air bridge across the Atlantic during the Cold War period. Imagine a Backfire with a load of AAMs getting loose in the transport stream flying troops over during REFORGER.
 
Maybe more interesting would be a gunslinger carrying a turret or two, or even fixed guns, to engage the transports in passing.
 
The big challenge is breaking out of the GIUK Gap and facing the F-15's out of Keflavik and the RAF Tornados out of the northern airbases. Sadly, beating up on the Norwegian F-16's out of Bodo and Bardufoss isn't that hard for the Naval Aviation assets available on the Kola Peninsula.   

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2012, 10:27:38 AM »
I have toyed with the idea of a Tu-22MP long range ultra interceptor. <...> the ultimate replacement for the Tu-128 and able to take on whole waves of enemy bombers or cruise missiles.

That... or as an escort for packages of anti-shipping Backfires.   >:D To target the fleet-defending E-2 Hawkeyes and F-14 Tomcats, making life easier for ship-pounding Badgers and Backfires. Either with proper AAMs as you suggest or with a dedicated version of the AS-9 Kyle ARM specifically targeting the radars of Hawkeyes and Tomcats. Or maybe an AAM version of either the AS-4 Kitchen or AS-6 Kingfish with their ultra-long range?
I'd think taking out a Hawkeye or two could seriously impact the counter-air capabilities of a carrier battle group.
I don't remember the designations, but I'd use AAM versions of the existing integral-rocket-ramjet ARMs to go after Hawkeyes and other airborne radars and the ARM verion os the Kh-41 to clear the Aegis platforms out.  Loss of all major command and control platforms would leave a battle group much more vulnerable.

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2012, 06:03:15 PM »
I think you are thinking of the Kh-31 which has been rumoured to have an anti-AWACS capability:

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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2012, 07:34:25 PM »
Another...Delta Tu-22:




Me like! Almost looks like a Mirage 4 Spin-off. A kit of that plane could get pretty close.

A spin-off of the 22' Blinder was what I used for the Myasischev 44 wingbody art a few weeks back.

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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2012, 01:08:54 PM »
I think you are thinking of the Kh-31 which has been rumoured to have an anti-AWACS capability:



Yeah, I could see a strike force approaching a carrier battle group and firing those to take out the E-2s and ARM variants of the Kh-41 to take out the Aegis cruisers.  That would greatly reduce the odds against such a strike force - and if the strike force had l-o aircraft in the van to launch these...(hmm, I would if a Kh-31 or two would fit a J-20's weapons bay?)>

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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 05:48:12 AM »
<...> (hmm, I would if a Kh-31 or two would fit a J-20's weapons bay?) <...>
If the Trumpeter 1/72 kit is anything to go by, no.  :( The weapons bay doors on the Trumpeter kit are around 6 cm long, which would translate to 432 cm in real life. The actual bays are probably a bit smaller. The Kh-31 is, by variant, either 470 cm or 523 cm long.
Doesn't mean that you can't have a shorter missile/longer weapons bay in whiffworld.  >:D
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Re: Tu-22/Tu-22M Blinder & Backfire Ideas and Inspiration
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2012, 01:59:47 AM »
Blinder, stretched some 15%.   
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2012, 04:21:31 AM »
Blinder, stretched some 15%.

Immediately ahead of the wing?
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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2012, 04:26:40 AM »
A couple of fantasies by someone:



BTW, if you believe some reports, the lower PLAAF one might become reality soon...though I personally think it will remain in the whiff verse.
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2012, 07:59:37 AM »
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Immediately ahead of the wing?

Yes.  To counterbalance heavier, slightly longer engines which have virtually the same bore.   
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