Tilt-Rotor Aircraft

[raafif]

I presume the top-surfaces aren't really blue ... just an effect of the light ?

Have had some "interesting" goes at fixing WW2 colour pics where Luftwaffe yellow has appeared as RAF duck-egg blue !

[elmayerle]

Definitely an effect of the light, the aircraft upper surfaces are in the standard USMC gray color.

[Rickshaw]

I didn't think the rotor arcs were that close to the fuselage?   It's an interesting position for weapons pylons.  Reminds me of the Rockets installed on the Coastal Command Liberators, which were also a cheek installation.

I just had a question pop into my head (don't know where from).  Can the V-22 lower it's nacelles to below the horizontal at all?   I can't really think if it would be any use, except for mid-air braking but I was just wondering...

[elmayerle]

I didn't think the rotor arcs were that close to the fuselage?   It's an interesting position for weapons pylons.  Reminds me of the Rockets installed on the Coastal Command Liberators, which were also a cheek installation.

I just had a question pop into my head (don't know where from).  Can the V-22 lower it's nacelles to below the horizontal at all?   I can't really think if it would be any use, except for mid-air braking but I was just wondering...

Yes, they are that close, it really shows when the V-22 is in "show pose" with the nacelles down and the rotors stopped in an "inverted-Y" position.

No, horizontal is as far down as the nacelles will rotate.

[Kerick]

Reminds me of 'Guns a Go Go"
http://aviationtrivia.blogspot.com/2011/02/one-powerful-helicopter-gunship-ach-47a.html

[kitnut617]

I didn't think the rotor arcs were that close to the fuselage?   

Yes, they are that close, it really shows when the V-22 is in "show pose" with the nacelles down and the rotors stopped in an "inverted-Y" position.

Like here:

[kitnut617]

CanMilAir Decals has just released this decal sheet:

http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=194

[The Big Gimper]

CanMilAir Decals has just released this decal sheet:

http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=194

Now I DON'T have an excuse not buy a CV-122.

[Silver Fox]

Nice decals for the 1/72 Osprey in the stash!

[elmayerle]

CanMilAir Decals has just released this decal sheet:

http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=194

Somewhat amused that the drawing is not taken from an accurate side view.  There's an "elephant ear" scoop" for the oil cooler on the upper aft outboard side of the engine nacellee that is quite prominent, but not seen in this art.  Still, the decals themselves look most excellent and add another whif possibility to the two Japanese schemes Hasegawa is producing.

Bell can but hope that all three comes true (some form of Japanese will, the FMS paperwork has already started).

[Gingie]

$23 for a 72nd scale sheet though...a bit spendy for some.

[kitnut617]

His sheets used to be quite a bit cheaper, but the GST crowd got interested in his sales ---

[LemonJello]

Another option for Canadian V-22 decals would be Belcher Bits. I have two of the Labrador/Voyageur sheets for this very reason.

I'm thinking of adding Raspberry Ripple and Fanta Can to the schemes I want to do on Ospreys.

[kengeorge]

That profile that CanMilAir Decals use looks very familiar, just can't place it though.

[elmayerle]

That profile that CanMilAir Decals use looks very familiar, just can't place it though.

Something posted here or on some other whiffing site?

[kengeorge]

Not sure Evan, if it was on here or what if or anywhere else. I've done a file search and explored both websites and joy so far. It does look as if its either Xenia or Maverick's work but I honestly have no idea. It is, as I said looks strangely familiar. I'll look on some other files. Its either that or my mind is starting to go.

[The Big Gimper]

I checked my CAF folder and I have some of John's SAR profiles but he always includes his JL + Maverick inside a red circle outline.

[GTX_Admin]

Are you thinking of this one (from page 1 of this thread):

[GTX_Admin]

And whilst on the same theme:

[kitnut617]

Simon (Mossie on The What-If Forum) has some very similar profiles of a Canadian SAR V-22

[Kerick]

Is the fuselage on a flatbed truck a mock up or an actual delivery? Looks like tour time for the big wigs.
A model done up this way would make a beautiful display on my shelf.

[kengeorge]

That's true, although the image they use is cropped and facing the wrong way.  No Greg I have that pic all the way from Sept 2008 that's similar but not exact. Hmm, puzzling.


Anyway, in my search I stumbled across something, I saved a Wikipedia entry regarding Dale Brown's fictional aircraft, specifically the MV-32.

"The MV-32 is the advanced version of the V-22 tilt-rotor aircraft. The traditional propellers found on the V-22 are replaced by advanced jet engines. It fires navalized versions of the FIM-92 Stinger and has two cannon pods, with a 20 mm Gatling gun under the nose. The MV-32 has enhanced range and speed over the V-22 and is traditional used in Tin Man support operations."

So Jet lift?
Instead perhaps some form of Un-ducted fan? or like an extended/enlarged A400M / An-70 style prop?

Can the transmission handle more than three blades thereby reducing the prop/rotor arc?
Or attach the wing to a different fuselage.
Or even search through the whole thread an see what else had been posted.
   

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Anyway, in my search I stumbled across something, I saved a Wikipedia entry regarding Dale Brown's fictional aircraft, specifically the MV-32.

"The MV-32 is the advanced version of the V-22 tilt-rotor aircraft. The traditional propellers found on the V-22 are replaced by advanced jet engines. It fires navalized versions of the FIM-92 Stinger and has two cannon pods, with a 20 mm Gatling gun under the nose. The MV-32 has enhanced range and speed over the V-22 and is traditional used in Tin Man support operations."

So Jet lift?
Instead perhaps some form of Un-ducted fan? or like an extended/enlarged A400M / An-70 style prop?

Can the transmission handle more than three blades thereby reducing the prop/rotor arc?
Or attach the wing to a different fuselage.
Or even search through the whole thread an see what else had been posted.

That Tilt-Rotor Shorts Sherpa is a wonderful idea! 


GTX' posted a fan-jet V-22 earlier in this discussion at this link: Reply #44, 20120107 from Greg T (GTX_Admin), Re: Tilt-Rotor Aircraft

Based on that idea I dabbled around with a jet engine (fan-jet) version of the V-22 based on a digital model I found at the SketchUp 3D Warehouse several years ago.  Since the model was derived from the work of another party I did not share it on-line.  I do have some screen captures of the model I made in an image gallery attached to my FB page.  Here are a few of the images that I uploaded to that gallery:

V-22 with fan jet units replacing the rotors:



V-22 with six-rotor blades instead of three-rotor blades:




V-44 Quad-Tilt-Rotor (QTR) based on a modified C-130 with V-22 Osprey counter-[contra-]rotating three-blade rotors mated to C-130 engine units:



Hopefully FB will cooperate and display the images

[elmayerle]

Can the transmission handle more than three blades thereby reducing the prop/rotor arc?
Or attach the wing to a different fuselage.

While the transmission likely could, the control linkages eat up volume like you wouldn't believe (I'm dealing with that area as part of the project I'm on and I have to be careful to stay out of the volume they rotate through).  I know there've been studies of dual contra-rotating prop-rotors, but I don't know of anything that progressed to flight test status.

I know the Bell tilt-rotor thread over on Secret Projects has a depiction of a Bell/Boeing proposal of the V-22 nacelles and wing mated to a Dash 8 fuselage with a sponson added, each side, for the main gear.  I intend to model that one, either in civil markings or in CAF markings.

[jcf]

I know the Bell tilt-rotor thread over on Secret Projects has a depiction of a Bell/Boeing proposal of the V-22 nacelles and wing mated to a Dash 8 fuselage with a sponson added, each side, for the main gear.  I intend to model that one, either in civil markings or in CAF markings.

You'll need to extend the span on the wings. I know because I had one half built, Italeri V-22 + Hobby craft Dash 8, it died after a shelf collapse a couple years back.